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Post by musicluver on Mar 27, 2009 17:43:20 GMT -5
now we are using "promotion" as the reason it flopped? If you are comparing...this song got more promotion than McPhee's and Bice's 2nd release...and they both flopped. So it must be the trend. The song tanked because it had a weak hook. Most people saw that coming 'cept for the "archies". If the song could stand on its own...radio wwoulda played it and it woulda been a hit. IMO, I still think ALTNOY has a better hook than 70% of the songs out there. I don't think "most people" disagree. If you look at hitpredictor, it did better than Crush and most other songs. ALTNOY is currently #1 on many Asian charts. I don't think it's fair that you say the only people who ever like this song are "Archies." To me, it just doesn't fit with the songs like How Do You Sleep or U Seek Amy on the radio in the US.
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Post by musicluver on Mar 27, 2009 17:46:28 GMT -5
TMH's has many some greats going for it - riveting and memorable opening/introduction, that all important melodic chorus part and an overall nolstagic after-listening that linger on and tucked at the heart. I think its makes one one to hear it again and again... Um, I like it for that reason too, but I just don't see it next to U Seek Amy or Flo Rida
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Post by atgs on Mar 27, 2009 17:48:48 GMT -5
I guess others already explained it too you. One has to wonder what went behind the scenes for this song to be added on Z100, doesn't seem like Z100 really wanted it on their playlist. There's a lot going on we don't know, but this song had heavy radio promo.
You don't spend money to have people on TV shows. I think the label did their job, maybe his management is the one failing here, if you want Archuleta in more TV shows. Although he did a good round when his album was released, and that's usually the best one can get.
TMH does have a much better hook.
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Post by musicluver on Mar 27, 2009 17:53:50 GMT -5
I guess others already explained it too you. One has to wonder what went behind the scenes for this song to be added on Z100, doesn't seem like Z100 really wanted it on their playlist. There's a lot going on we don't know, but this song had heavy radio promo. You don't spend money to have people on TV shows. I think the label did their job, maybe his management is the one failing here, if you want Archuleta in more TV shows. Although he did a good round when his album was released, and that's usually the best one can get. I'm not gonna argue with you when you say he got lots of behind the scenes promo cuz I don't work in the music industry so I don't know. I'm just basing the promo based on what the public sees/hears. Talking on a couple radio stations for a couple minutes doesn't add a lot of audience impressions. I told a friend of mine who liked David that he had a new single out and she didn't even know about it. David's not an established artist so the chances of him flopping is pretty high if enough people don't hear it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2009 18:00:37 GMT -5
It's too bad that radio didn't want to play David A, that's too bad. If radio people don't think it's a hit, they won't play it. Simple as that. IMO ALTNOY is so boring, they should have went with TMH.
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Post by musicluver on Mar 27, 2009 18:03:21 GMT -5
It's too bad that radio didn't want to play David A, that's too bad. If radio people don't think it's a hit, they won't play it. Simple as that. IMO ALTNOY is so boring, they should have went with TMH. Z100 dropped ALTNOY right after it was #1 on their noon countdown. So I guess the ppl loved it but Z100 hated it. It might be the same fate for TMH. Or maybe Jive paid Z100 to place it #1. Good thing David is trying to gain exposure in the UK and Asia cuz I don't think American radio stations like him very much lol.
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Post by queencello on Mar 27, 2009 18:06:02 GMT -5
What part of "behind the scenes promo" do you not understand? Of course I know that most listeners don't look at mediabase. That's not the point. But a ton of important promotion goes on behind the scenes with radio promoters from labels and PDs/MDs. I think that Jive did a lot of promo behind the scenes for the reasons I mentioned. Crush had buzz only because it was his first single off his album. That is common. Subsequent singles generally get buzz by being good (in the sense of top 40 good - catchy) or controversial ("If U Seek Amy") and fitting in with stations' playlists and the types of songs that they are playing. What promotion is Kevin Rudolf's new song getting that ALTNOY didn't get? What promotion did Jesse McCartney's "How Do You Sleep?" get that ALTNOY didn't get? How did they make the top 40 with their level of promo? I could go on and on. They didn't start out getting any more "buzz" than ALTNOY. Bottom line is that the songs are catchy and fit in with the stations' playlists and what they are currently playing. That's why stations are playing those songs (and why they didn't play ALTNOY IMO) and that's how they broke into the top 40. Well, if that's the criteria for scoring radio play these days, the radio dial is full of...controversy. No, top 40 is full of catchy songs - songs you can easily remember and sing along to. And at the moment, most of the songs doing well on top 40 are not only catchy, but they are rhythmic leaning and uptempo. ALTNOY never really had much of a chance to do anything IMO since it's not catchy, uptempo, or rhythmic.
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Post by davidprincess on Mar 27, 2009 18:53:17 GMT -5
:-/I agree with MusicLuver, i don't think the main problem was the song, if the problem was the song, why radio stations played and added 'i'll be' by Leona and Thinking of you' by Katy??? People magazine said that ALTNOY is a great mid tempo song, Billboard said that David could break records with this song and ALTNOY scored better than Crush on predictor polls too.. let's face it, radio didn't want to play his music. "Crush" could hit top 10 but radio stations stopped playing his music without reason, and the song was smashing itunes at that time...the same happened with AlTNOY, they boycotted the song without reasons too. light on'wasn't even charting on top 40 when Vh1 added it to their playlist, so why vh1 didn't add ALTNOY too? ??? also, as i said it before, ALTNOY is not the big flop like some people in here want to see it... with the little promotion that AlTNOY had, this song has sold over 120,000 DL on itunes, this song peaked at #42 on mediabase.. it's a hit on Radio disney.(after all, Disney is David's main market..)his tour is sold out, his cd has sold 670,000, Crush over 1.6M... so it's sad that this song didn't have the chance but i hope radio stations realize soon that they can't be ignoring a talented and popular singer like Archie..They should play the music that people wants to hear, not what they want to hear... :'( Radio stations don't have the right to boycot his music just because David doesn't have a bad boy image.. We His fans love his good boy image and i hope he never changes his good boy image.. :)
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Post by frank on Mar 27, 2009 19:27:54 GMT -5
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Post by TYRONE™ on Mar 27, 2009 19:35:02 GMT -5
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Post by ƒreakshow on Mar 27, 2009 19:39:47 GMT -5
That just made my day. Thank you for posting that.
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Post by Choco on Mar 27, 2009 19:40:11 GMT -5
LOL!
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Post by davidprincess on Mar 27, 2009 19:46:58 GMT -5
yeah but that primary fanbase has bought his cds, his songs on itunes ,they have assisted to his sold out shows ;) and they keep him popular on the internet.. :) besides David is only 18, it's logic that he has more teen fans than adults.. Britney and Justin also started with only teen fans, and then all their teen fans grew up with them too.. :)
Go David!! ;)
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Post by musicluver on Mar 27, 2009 20:26:32 GMT -5
LOL! :o :o :o I'm sorry but have you guys even been to one of his shows? Look here --> i685.photobucket.com/albums/vv216/Asia1992/David%20Archuleta/On%20Tour/nye-2.jpgSome are clubs where ppl have to be over 18 to enter and it's still sold out. My friends in I are in our 20s and we like his music. I like good quality music when I hear it and music has no age boundaries for me I'm totally fine with him having tons of tween fans though. They're the one who beg their parents to buy his store merchandise and bring him the $$ haha.
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Post by LittleMissMoonshine on Mar 27, 2009 20:39:25 GMT -5
While this thread is still alive. Today's update: 45 47 DAVID ARCHULETA A Little Too Not Ove... 670 759 -89 3.499 -10 Spins -22 Bullet -0.081 AI Updates are kind of pointless after a song has already peaked. Well, the spin and bullet loss are a lot smaller than yesterday's, so maybe this could still stabilize within the Top 50. There's a big enough gap between ALTNOY and the song beneath it.
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Post by Rurry on Mar 27, 2009 22:54:17 GMT -5
Updates are kind of pointless after a song has already peaked.
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Post by musicluver on Mar 27, 2009 23:42:45 GMT -5
AOL is acting odd like Z100 or the music industry must really hate David. They pulled his AOL session videos from the website even though his was among the highest viewed. Jeez..don't take away the little promotion he has left.
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Post by Rurry on Mar 28, 2009 0:09:34 GMT -5
Yes, the music industry hates David because his videos got removed from AOL music most likely due to an error...lol
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Post by musicluver on Mar 28, 2009 1:24:53 GMT -5
Yes, the music industry hates David because his videos got removed from AOL music most likely due to an error...lol I don't think it's an error. His was the only one that got removed. If it's really an error, then he has really bad luck! lol
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Post by davidprincess on Mar 28, 2009 10:44:05 GMT -5
Guys don't feel sad anymore, if this song failed to be a hit was because most radio stations didn't want to play his music. :'( like Eminem says in a song "i'm whatever you say i am, in the papers the news everyday i am, radio won't wanna play my jam.." but Thank God, David is still popular and without so much promotion, radio airplay or Ai help, our boy still can sell out arenas and venues :) everytime he is on TV, the ratings go up, the crowd goes crazy when he is on the stage..Really Our boy is loved by many people, and i don't care anymore if this song couldn't hit top 40, because in my personal billboard this song is #1.. P.S: After a successful sold out Solo tour. Pictures of David's last concert in his home town Utah..The fans who were there say that Archie's concert in Utah was out of this world." ;) ;)
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Post by TYRONE™ on Mar 28, 2009 11:32:13 GMT -5
I like the song Barriers, but its really annoying when he keeps yelling "HEY!"
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Post by saxpower on Mar 28, 2009 13:04:24 GMT -5
While this thread is still alive. Today's update: 45 47 DAVID ARCHULETA A Little Too Not Ove... 670 759 -89 3.499 -10 Spins -22 Bullet -0.081 AI Updates are kind of pointless after a song has already peaked. Well, the spin and bullet loss are a lot smaller than yesterday's, so maybe this could still stabilize within the Top 50. There's a big enough gap between ALTNOY and the song beneath it. Whats interesting to me is that the ranking of the song is not going down as fast as the spin/bullet drop would suggest. This suggests that other songs are dropping fast (or not climbing) as well. Keep requesting on XM and the stations that ARE playing it, folks. Keeping it in the 40s might help it at least get SOME airply for now.Remember, there's no add date for another single yet. Lets not HELP ALTNOY drop further. And while you can call me delusional, if if its sitting in the 40's its at least in "striking distance" if it gets used on a TV show or something.
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Post by LittleMissMoonshine on Mar 28, 2009 13:34:43 GMT -5
Today's update shows definite improvement. The numbers are still negative, but a lot lower than yesterday's (which were lower than two days ago). Also, ALTNOY went back up to #46.
While no new single is announced, maybe it's still early to give up.
46 46 DAVID ARCHULETA A Little Too Not Ove... 664 757 -93 3.377
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Post by musicluver on Mar 28, 2009 13:45:57 GMT -5
Today's update shows definite improvement. The numbers are still negative, but a lot lower than yesterday's (which were lower than two days ago). Also, ALTNOY went back up to #46. While no new single is announced, maybe it's still early to give up. 46 46 DAVID ARCHULETA A Little Too Not Ove... 664 757 -93 3.377 -6 Spins -4 Bullet -0.122 ^^ The surge on itunes is prob the 6000-8000 ppl who went to his concert last night. I kinda wish it would just show large negative numbers so Jive can move on. ALTNOY has one of the oddest progress for a song and it doesn't do much if it just keeps sitting there.
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Post by Rodze on Mar 28, 2009 19:49:21 GMT -5
If there were a god, a mod would close this thread because it's over 90 pages and the song is dead and davidsprincess would take all her ****** talk to the artist thread, where it belong.
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Post by ƒreakshow on Mar 28, 2009 19:51:11 GMT -5
If there were a god, a mod would close this thread because it's over 90 pages and the song is dead and davidsprincess would take all her ****** talk to the artist thread, where it belong. To be honest, I'm surprised nobody's started a part 2.
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Post by Az Paynter on Mar 28, 2009 19:57:54 GMT -5
There's no need for a part 2.
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Post by TYRONE™ on Mar 28, 2009 20:06:01 GMT -5
If there were a god, a mod would close this thread because it's over 90 pages and the song is dead and davidsprincess would take all her ****** talk to the artist thread, where it belong. LMAO!
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Post by ƒreakshow on Mar 28, 2009 20:21:52 GMT -5
There's no need for a part 2. lol, I know. ;)
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Post by LeTheSunShine on Mar 28, 2009 21:31:57 GMT -5
This thread should close when the spins reach 500
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