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Post by Juanca on Mar 29, 2009 1:12:37 GMT -5
yeah but that primary fanbase has bought his cds, his songs on itunes ,they have assisted to his sold out shows ;) and they keep him popular on the internet.. :) besides David is only 18, it's logic that he has more teen fans than adults.. Britney and Justin also started with only teen fans, and then all their teen fans grew up with them too.. :) Go David!! ;) Come on princess, confess which one of them are you? ;)
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Post by Active Aggressive on Mar 29, 2009 4:13:01 GMT -5
I never really warmed up to this song and I like David. I wasn't thrilled when they changed Touch My Hand for this. Then again, I have always been obsessed with TMH, Barriers and My Hands.
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Post by musicluver on Mar 29, 2009 12:30:35 GMT -5
I never really warmed up to this song and I like David. I wasn't thrilled when they changed Touch My Hand for this. Then again, I have always been obsessed with TMH, Barriers and My Hands. Have you listened to his Zero Gravity? Yeah ALTNOY flopped harder than I ever expected. Even his opening act's (Lesley Roy) 3rd single at least reached the Top 40. He'll be fine though, still really popular.
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Post by Young Money on Mar 29, 2009 12:42:16 GMT -5
yeah, he is still very popular
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Post by davidprincess on Mar 29, 2009 14:14:31 GMT -5
on the positive.. ALTNOY is now #49 on ITUNES... #32 on AC... #3 on Radio Disney! (maybe the Disney fans are buying ALTNOY on itunes, because it's surprising that this song is moving up on itunes when Pop radio stations have stopped playing it.) and he was amazing on the Kid Choices Awards. He looked really cute too and the kids screamed very loud when he accepted the Ai award. :)
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Post by Choco on Mar 29, 2009 14:56:16 GMT -5
on the positive.. ALTNOY is now #49 on ITUNES... No. 226. A Little Too Not Over You - David Archuleta Maybe you're at the Pop chart, but in the main chart he isn't #49
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Post by Rurry on Mar 29, 2009 14:57:15 GMT -5
Yeah, she meant the pop chart I guess.
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Post by Az Paynter on Mar 29, 2009 19:38:45 GMT -5
When I looked at the Radio Disney playlist on AllAccess, ALTNOY was down to #7. Losing spins there too.
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Post by Rurry on Mar 29, 2009 19:57:29 GMT -5
When I looked at the Radio Disney playlist on AllAccess, ALTNOY was down to #7. Losing spins there too. It already hit #1 there so it really doesn't matter at this point lol. The Disney playlist is really erratic though. I remember Crush would always float between #1 and like #8 there for months on end. It would fall down to #7 or #8 and it would look like they were dropping it, then it would go back to #1 the next week lol.
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Post by XanderAnthony on Mar 29, 2009 20:24:18 GMT -5
When I looked at the Radio Disney playlist on AllAccess, ALTNOY was down to #7. Losing spins there too. Where on all access can I find the playlist? I've actually been searching for it for ahwile..
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Post by Az Paynter on Mar 30, 2009 0:01:52 GMT -5
I meant 'chart' not 'playlist' sorry. You can see the Radio Disney chart by going to 'All Stations' then under format select 'Radio Disney'. Of course, we don't know how many people actually listen to Radio Disney because all the audience figures are locked at 0.
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Post by evean on Mar 30, 2009 6:52:05 GMT -5
Well at least disney was spinning it to death.
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Post by musicluver on Mar 30, 2009 11:22:23 GMT -5
^^ lol davidprincess, there's other people on this board who like David too but I'm guessing you're prob the youngest. Let's keep the discussion to the chart updates. I don't really care for radio disney b/c it doesn't help with his image. Their homepage shows that they're gonna be promoting Cook's single next anyways so ALTNOY might drop.
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Post by saxpower on Mar 30, 2009 11:32:13 GMT -5
In reading some of the posts here, I feel a need to remind everyone that we all (at least I assume) respect not only David's music abilities, but the person he is. He would be quite upset to see any rudeness or unkindness being expressed by his fans.
Also, does anyone have the latest update? (I can never find them on mediabase). Given the last few updates have not been as bad, and the fact his ranking has not dropped that much, we might as well keep an eye on it 'til the next single is announced. (Also, some recurrents have been removed, which will help his ranking) Thanks.
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Post by davidprincess on Mar 30, 2009 11:32:19 GMT -5
^^ lol davidprincess, there's other people on this board who like David too but I'm guessing you're prob the youngest. Let's keep the discussion to the chart updates. I don't really care for radio disney. Their homepage shows that they're gonna be promoting Cook's single next so ALTNOY might drop. But radio disney is David main market after all, and he is successful with the teens and kids there,so as long as it's a hit on radio disney, i don't care about top 40 :) and about Cook, Archie has more fans than Cook on Radio disney, so ALTNOY might not drop... ;) 'cause if we vote more there it might hit #1. P.S: ALTNOY is #46 on mediabase... :)
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Post by soundUPsceneDOWN on Mar 30, 2009 12:13:11 GMT -5
^^ lol davidprincess, there's other people on this board who like David too but I'm guessing you're prob the youngest. Let's keep the discussion to the chart updates. I don't really care for radio disney. Their homepage shows that they're gonna be promoting Cook's single next so ALTNOY might drop. But radio disney is David main market after all, and he is successful with the teens and kids there,so as long as it's a hit on radio disney, i don't care about top 40 :) and about Cook, Archie has more fans than Cook on Radio disney, so ALTNOY might not drop... ;) 'cause if we vote more there it might hit #1. P.S: ALTNOY is #46 on mediabase... :) Radio Disney is one of David's markets--I wouldn't describe it as his "main market." I don't think he has one main market. AC plays David (and strangely, ALTNOY picked up two AC adds today-one in NYC that added both ALTNOY and Crush), so obviously kids aren't his only market. My CHR is still spinning this. And it was playing on my flight yesterday. haha. I love this song, regardless of how CHR treated it.
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Post by musicluver on Mar 30, 2009 12:14:19 GMT -5
^^ lol davidprincess, there's other people on this board who like David too but I'm guessing you're prob the youngest. Let's keep the discussion to the chart updates. I don't really care for radio disney. Their homepage shows that they're gonna be promoting Cook's single next so ALTNOY might drop. But radio disney is David main market after all, and he is successful with the teens and kids there,so as long as it's a hit on radio disney, i don't care about top 40 :) and about Cook, Archie has more fans than Cook on Radio disney, so ALTNOY might not drop... ;) 'cause if we vote more there it might hit #1. P.S: ALTNOY is #46 on mediabase... :) Uhh..I really hope radio disney isn't his main market otherwise that will be a very short-lived career and ppl like me will prob stop being fans. I'd rather have a large negative bullet right now for ALTNOY so Jive can move on to ZG, hopefully.
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Post by soundUPsceneDOWN on Mar 30, 2009 12:21:17 GMT -5
AOL is acting odd like Z100 or the music industry must really hate David. They pulled his AOL session videos from the website even though his was among the highest viewed. Jeez..don't take away the little promotion he has left. Apparently his sessions were only scheduled to be up for a certain period of time. I don't know why Jive did it that way, but that's what they did. AOL wasn't allowed to keep them up (people asked AOL Music why they were down). AOL responded they may be put back up later. It wasn't due to lack of interest--they heavily viewed for months. I also don't get some people saying that, because this song didn't do well, that radio or the music industry hates David. What does one unsuccessful single have to do with with how the artist is being viewed? TONS of artists that are still around have had unsuccessful singles. Sheesh, look at Jason Mraz's track record. 3 albums--2 hits. I don't think radio hates Jason Mraz, the artist.
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Post by queencello on Mar 30, 2009 13:24:23 GMT -5
^^I don't think that radio "hates" David, but I do think that Idol artists have an uphill battle getting played on radio and being seen as "artists." With the right singles, it can be done, but doesn't necessarily happen. And I think David has an even steeper battle given the image he had on Idol (awkward, manufactured and controlled by stage dad) and still has (clean cut Mormon - it's hard enough for solo male pop artists to get played on CHR and most of those who do have a far more sexualized image and music). Having said this, I still think with the right single choices (and hopefully more radio friendly songs on his next album), he could possibly do well on top 40 radio. But it certainly isn't a given.
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Post by seattle_d on Mar 30, 2009 13:56:36 GMT -5
LOL at WLTW (New York City AC station) adding this today.
Despite ALTNOY's disappointing performance on CHR, I still think there is hope for this song on other formats. No, it won't have the same effect for his career if ALTNOY does well on AC stations, and it might be harder to get traction on AC without a strong performance on Pop first, but I think there is a decent chance that ALTNOY could hang around AC stations for a while if fans start requesting there. Crush is still getting a lot of spins on Delilah and Tesh's shows. I think the same could happen for ALTNOY.
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Post by baobabs727 on Mar 30, 2009 14:58:36 GMT -5
I don't view David's emerging body of work as prototypically Disneyesque; however, I have no problem whatsoever with Radio Disney playing Crush or Altnoy. In fact, I don't give a flying flip who spins him as long as he gets spins across the board.
And he who would "drop" David in protest of some perceived, lingering Radio Disney residue is but an insipid dolt of dubious predilection.
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Post by Rurry on Mar 30, 2009 15:29:27 GMT -5
WTF? WLTW never even added Crush And I disagree with the whole "David is sweet and isn't a sex object so he'll have a hard time making it in the industry" theory. There are plenty of people who are sweet and not overly sexy who do fine. As long as he produces music that top 40 accepts (this song just didn't have enough of a draw for top 40 radio I guess) I don't think they'll care if he's sweet and Mormon or whatever. In fact I think that image is what makes a lot of his fanbase like him. And I also hate the "poor poor David is hated by the music industry" theory, just because this song didn't do well doesn't mean he's "hated by the music industry". Have we forgotten Crush already?
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Post by soundUPsceneDOWN on Mar 30, 2009 15:41:30 GMT -5
^^I don't think that radio "hates" David, but I do think that Idol artists have an uphill battle getting played on radio and being seen as "artists." With the right singles, it can be done, but doesn't necessarily happen. And I think David has an even steeper battle given the image he had on Idol (awkward, manufactured and controlled by stage dad) and still has (clean cut Mormon - it's hard enough for solo male pop artists to get played on CHR and most of those who do have a far more sexualized image and music). Having said this, I still think with the right single choices (and hopefully more radio friendly songs on his next album), he could possibly do well on top 40 radio. But it certainly isn't a given. It's not a given for any artist. I do think that, when the album came out, CHR was a lot more friendly to straight-up pop, and that his album has a lot of great songs that could have been hits at the right time. But even in the last 3-4 months, radio has strayed from straight pop to more rhythmic/urban. My opinion of ALTNOY was that it was plenty catchy enough--it just doesn't fit with the current idea of CHR, which may change again in 3 months. IMO, radio does have a problem with centering too much around the image of an artist, but I don't think David's clean-cut image is what held ALTNOY back. It just didn't hit--for few or many reasons--it didn't hit. Just like tons and tons of great songs before it that managed to do nothing on the radio. It's a sad story, but not an unusual one, so I don't think there's anything particularly special about this song not hitting that says something about radio's reception towards David. And I think he's successfully moved beyond Idol to the degree that most people in radio don't give a rat's @ss what his image on Idol was. The major stations have seen him perform since then; they've interacted with him. He's spent no short amount of time doing radio promotion over the last 9 months. PDs know what he's like, how he performs now, and who he is, and they generally love the guy. David isn't the problem--the problem is what is considered "CHR" right now, which is why I bet Jive is probably thinking about new material that is more reflective of current CHR. Faster is in; midtempo is out.
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Post by Rodze on Mar 30, 2009 15:53:00 GMT -5
^^ lol davidprincess, there's other people on this board who like David too but I'm guessing you're prob the youngest. Let's keep the discussion to the chart updates. I don't really care for radio disney b/c it doesn't help with his image. Their homepage shows that they're gonna be promoting Cook's single next anyways so ALTNOY might drop. She's probably older than most of us and is doing this only to annoy the hell out of us. It's the only way I feel like not worrying about her mental condition. On that subject, maybe lock this, but now open a thread on the AC forum, seeing current posts, so davidsprincess can keep with all her **** elsewhere?
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Post by baobabs727 on Mar 30, 2009 16:02:24 GMT -5
^^ lol davidprincess, there's other people on this board who like David too but I'm guessing you're prob the youngest. Let's keep the discussion to the chart updates. I don't really care for radio disney b/c it doesn't help with his image. Their homepage shows that they're gonna be promoting Cook's single next anyways so ALTNOY might drop. She's probably older than most of us and is doing this only to annoy the hell out of us. It's the only way I feel like not worrying about her mental condition. On that subject, maybe lock this, but now open a thread on the AC forum, seeing current posts, so davidsprincess can keep with all her **** elsewhere? And just what kind of a mind would conceive of the possibility of such a scheme? Hmm.... And Hey--Why don't you pick on sombeody your own size?! :o Edit: Content sanitized for Princess.
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Post by saxpower on Mar 30, 2009 16:11:46 GMT -5
On that subject, maybe lock this, but now open a thread on the AC forum, seeing current posts, so davidsprincess can keep with all her **** elsewhere? I'll say it again. David is respectful to everyone. I would think he would want his fans to do the same.
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Post by TYRONE™ on Mar 30, 2009 16:29:24 GMT -5
^^ lol davidprincess, there's other people on this board who like David too but I'm guessing you're prob the youngest. Let's keep the discussion to the chart updates. I don't really care for radio disney b/c it doesn't help with his image. Their homepage shows that they're gonna be promoting Cook's single next anyways so ALTNOY might drop. She's probably older than most of us and is doing this only to annoy the hell out of us. It's the only way I feel like not worrying about her mental condition. On that subject, maybe lock this, but now open a thread on the AC forum, seeing current posts, so davidsprincess can keep with all her **** elsewhere? [glow=blue,2,300][/glow]
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Post by musicluver on Mar 30, 2009 18:36:33 GMT -5
^^I don't think that radio "hates" David, but I do think that Idol artists have an uphill battle getting played on radio and being seen as "artists." With the right singles, it can be done, but doesn't necessarily happen. And I think David has an even steeper battle given the image he had on Idol (awkward, manufactured and controlled by stage dad) and still has (clean cut Mormon - it's hard enough for solo male pop artists to get played on CHR and most of those who do have a far more sexualized image and music). Having said this, I still think with the right single choices (and hopefully more radio friendly songs on his next album), he could possibly do well on top 40 radio. But it certainly isn't a given. It's not a given for any artist. I do think that, when the album came out, CHR was a lot more friendly to straight-up pop, and that his album has a lot of great songs that could have been hits at the right time. But even in the last 3-4 months, radio has strayed from straight pop to more rhythmic/urban. My opinion of ALTNOY was that it was plenty catchy enough--it just doesn't fit with the current idea of CHR, which may change again in 3 months. IMO, radio does have a problem with centering too much around the image of an artist, but I don't think David's clean-cut image is what held ALTNOY back. It just didn't hit--for few or many reasons--it didn't hit. Just like tons and tons of great songs before it that managed to do nothing on the radio. It's a sad story, but not an unusual one, so I don't think there's anything particularly special about this song not hitting that says something about radio's reception towards David. And I think he's successfully moved beyond Idol to the degree that most people in radio don't give a rat's @ss what his image on Idol was. The major stations have seen him perform since then; they've interacted with him. He's spent no short amount of time doing radio promotion over the last 9 months. PDs know what he's like, how he performs now, and who he is, and they generally love the guy. David isn't the problem--the problem is what is considered "CHR" right now, which is why I bet Jive is probably thinking about new material that is more reflective of current CHR. Faster is in; midtempo is out. I was joking with the music industry hating him thing. If anything, he's a breath of fresh air. I just didn't understand why Z100 dropped him right after he was #1 at noon countdown, why vh1 won't play ALTNOY, and why AOL only took out his videos.
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Post by soundUPsceneDOWN on Mar 30, 2009 20:17:44 GMT -5
I was joking with the music industry hating him thing. If anything, he's a breath of fresh air. I just didn't understand why Z100 dropped him right after he was #1 at noon countdown, why vh1 won't play ALTNOY, and why AOL only took out his videos. Z100 dropped other slow-midtempo songs at the same time--Halo, Come On Get Higher, and The Climb. The thought was that they were cutting slower songs to compete was the rhythmic-leaning new CHR in NYC. I have no clue why they played it one more time as the #1 at noon. Obviously it was getting enough requests. VH1 is considered Hot AC (like MTV Hits is considered CHR). VH1 won't add a song unless it has a Hot AC add date or significant Hot AC airplay. ALTNOY had a Hot AC add date, but Jive removed it (maybe that was about the time they knew the song wasn't going anywhere). VH1 wasn't going to play the video without a Hot AC add date, or significant Hot AC airplay. People emailed AOL about his Sessions and AOL's answer was that they weren't allowed to keep them up anymore (as in, it wasn't AOL's choice). Labels don't pay to keep Sessions up (there are random Sessions that would be long down if they did), so maybe Jive had/has something in mind for the Sessions and didn't want them available for free anymore. Or maybe they didn't want high quality live video of David singing those songs up in a formal capacity. TMH was taken down a long time before the rest were, and there are rumors that a TMH live performance video from the Chicago HOB concert will be available at some point (for what purpose, I don't know). Maybe they are thinking of releasing more live performance video from that concert, since they did film the whole concert. That's all guesses, though. Those Sessions were viewed a lot (often just behind Taylor Swift and Beyonce), so maybe Jive realized there was a demand for live performance video.
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Post by queencello on Mar 30, 2009 21:22:36 GMT -5
^^I don't think that radio "hates" David, but I do think that Idol artists have an uphill battle getting played on radio and being seen as "artists." With the right singles, it can be done, but doesn't necessarily happen. And I think David has an even steeper battle given the image he had on Idol (awkward, manufactured and controlled by stage dad) and still has (clean cut Mormon - it's hard enough for solo male pop artists to get played on CHR and most of those who do have a far more sexualized image and music). Having said this, I still think with the right single choices (and hopefully more radio friendly songs on his next album), he could possibly do well on top 40 radio. But it certainly isn't a given. It's not a given for any artist. I do think that, when the album came out, CHR was a lot more friendly to straight-up pop, and that his album has a lot of great songs that could have been hits at the right time. But even in the last 3-4 months, radio has strayed from straight pop to more rhythmic/urban. My opinion of ALTNOY was that it was plenty catchy enough--it just doesn't fit with the current idea of CHR, which may change again in 3 months. IMO, radio does have a problem with centering too much around the image of an artist, but I don't think David's clean-cut image is what held ALTNOY back. It just didn't hit--for few or many reasons--it didn't hit. Just like tons and tons of great songs before it that managed to do nothing on the radio. It's a sad story, but not an unusual one, so I don't think there's anything particularly special about this song not hitting that says something about radio's reception towards David. And I think he's successfully moved beyond Idol to the degree that most people in radio don't give a rat's @ss what his image on Idol was. The major stations have seen him perform since then; they've interacted with him. He's spent no short amount of time doing radio promotion over the last 9 months. PDs know what he's like, how he performs now, and who he is, and they generally love the guy. David isn't the problem--the problem is what is considered "CHR" right now, which is why I bet Jive is probably thinking about new material that is more reflective of current CHR. Faster is in; midtempo is out. So now the reason that ALTNOY didn't get played is because radio has changed dramatically in 3 or 4 months? LOL. Excuses, excuses. CHR was rhythmic leaning 3 or 4 months ago too and fast songs always tend to do better since they tend to be more catchy. ALTNOY was as boring 4 months ago as it is today. Unless we are talking about this song being released in 2002 when it might have actually fit into top 40, then the release date wouldn't have made a difference. I think this song didn't do well because it is boring, not because of his image. But I also think he has an image issue that makes it less likely for PDs/MDs to want to play his stuff. It doesn't mean they won't but he really has to release the right song - he won't get any benefit of the doubt, as some artists do.
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