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Post by countryfan2002 on Apr 17, 2010 8:11:16 GMT -5
Pretty sure the adds date is still the 24th. The 3rd is when UI will be sent to radio. What's the difference? Joey. When its sent out is when radio can start playing it as an official single and the adds date is when its officially released, I believe. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Afterall, it could just be 21.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2010 16:40:23 GMT -5
Joey. When its sent out is when radio can start playing it as an official single and the adds date is when its officially released, I believe. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Afterall, it could just be 21. I was never completely sure how it all works, but I think that makes sense. So if it happens to chart before it gets sent to radio, I believe that's unsolicited airplay. The adds date must be just when it goes widespread? Or when it really starts getting promoted? That part I'm a bit unclear on...what is the difference between a song being sent to radio on, in this case, May 3 when the adds date is May 24? Anyway, sure to be a smash for Carrie. I loved Cowboy Casanova and Temporary Home, and I can see this being a huge hit similar to Last Name or possibly Before He Cheats. It's not entirely country, and I agree...stole my happy? pretty lame there. The chorus is slightly annoying, but not bad. I just love Carrie, so this one keeps growing on me.
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Post by joey2002 on Apr 18, 2010 16:53:48 GMT -5
Yeah - I believe when a song charts before it gets sent to radio, it's just "unsolicited" or "album track" airplay.
When the song gets sent to radio (May 3rd) I think it's now played as a single compared to an album track.
Lastly, I believe the official adds date (May 24th) is when the song gets officially released and promoted by the label.
I'm not positive about all of this, but I'm sure someone like Zazie knows for sure, and will reply with the answer soon. Well - unless someone stole his happy.....
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Post by Zazie on Apr 18, 2010 18:34:31 GMT -5
^ I'm always glad to help even if I can't be happy. But I don't understand what you're asking. I'm not sure what would or wouldn't count as "official."
If the single version of a song is different from the album track, and the radio stations don't have the single yet, then they can't play it. That seems sensible to me. I'm not sure that needs any clarification -- you can't play what you don't have.
Promotion of a song happens as soon as a label promotes it, which they might do before the release date if they chose to, or if differing circumstances made them change their plan.
I'll defer to Rowdawg, who is more knowledgeable than I; pending his "official" comments, I will just say that I don't think anybody in the industry is differentiating unsolicited play for an album track from official spins of a single. Someone might do it on this board because we enjoy over-analyzing the charts, but I'm just not sure who else cares about these distinctions.
Maybe I'm missing something obvious here. I often do.
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Post by joey2002 on Apr 18, 2010 21:03:19 GMT -5
^ I'm always glad to help even if I can't be happy. But I don't understand what you're asking. I guess this was the original question: Pretty sure the adds date is still May 24th. May 3rd is when "Undo It" will be sent to radio. What's the difference?
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Post by leilamaurizia on Apr 19, 2010 19:39:39 GMT -5
Debuts at #43 (and it hasn't even been released to radio)!
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Post by drock89 on Apr 19, 2010 20:33:58 GMT -5
It used to be the "Adds Date" was important because the labels sent out hard singles. It's more of a formality now with digital singles. Because think about it, the label more or likely sent most radio stations the album, so most radio stations have the track and can play it if they'd like. The date given as an "Adds Date" is the date when the label will begin soliciting adds and asking for increased play (i.e. when they begin promoting the single). Sometimes, the track will take off before hand, and it makes the Adds Date even more of a formality. I'm sure in the music business it has more meaning, but so far as I've learned, for our purposes, it's nothing that's worth noting.
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Post by Zazie on Apr 20, 2010 13:54:06 GMT -5
^ I'm always glad to help even if I can't be happy. But I don't understand what you're asking. I guess this was the original question: What's the difference? [/quote] Sorry, didn't see this. A sent-to date is a practical, real-world event. "Here's your song. Feel free to give it a spin or ten very soon." An adds date is a scheduled event, but nobody takes that too seriously and circumstances can cause it to be moved forward, or back, with nobody really paying much attention. I don't imagine there are people saying, "My God, Capitol missed their adds date for the Keith Urban song -- heads are gonna roll now!" I do think adds dates are treated flexibly and, especially with the bigger stars and bigger labels, they're ignored if there's any reason at all to ignore them.
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Post by joey2002 on Apr 20, 2010 14:02:46 GMT -5
Good to know...thanks as always!
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Post by drock89 on Apr 20, 2010 14:20:29 GMT -5
Someone mentioned the variations in the "I wanna uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-undo it" in the song. I have to say that the drums-only and the last two mentions, where the guitars riff along with her voice, really add pump to the song. If we could somehow edit out the "na na's" the song would have a lot more value. In any case, as predicted, this is becoming a summer jam.
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Post by jptexas on Apr 22, 2010 8:51:26 GMT -5
When I first heard Undo It, I thought for sure it was just an album filler. Carrie wouldn't release a song with such a pop/rock sounding chorus. But, the genre lines are getting very thin and Carrie seems to be threading the needle on this one. IMO, country radio will be anxious to start playing an upbeat Carrie song following the beautiful but very slow ballad like Temporary Home.
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Post by countrygirl918 on Apr 22, 2010 9:48:42 GMT -5
According to the Billboard real-time tracker, Undo It is today's greatest gainer. Pretty awesome for a song that hasn't even been sent to radio yet.
Country No.1 Lady Antebellum American Honey +5847 Carrie Underwood Undo It
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Post by Jonsolo on Apr 22, 2010 10:17:56 GMT -5
According to the Billboard real-time tracker, Undo It is today's greatest gainer. Pretty awesome for a song that hasn't even been sent to radio yet. Country No.1 Lady Antebellum American Honey +5847 Carrie Underwood Undo ItAs Zazie and ShaniaGotchaGood explained above, it is inaccurate to descirbe Undo as "not being sent to radio yet". Since the album's been out for six months now, every radio station can play the song whenever they want to. It's just that, since we're not to the "add date" yet, those stations would be playing of their own volition, as the label won't be cranking up their big promo machine and soliciting airplay until then (supposedly). And since it's well-known knowledge that this is the next single, and Carrie's a big star (and Temporary Home's airplay fell like a rock the last two weeks), it shouldn't be that shocking to see stations giving Undo that unsolicited airplay, to make it the Greatest Gainer. You're free to feel "impressed" if you want to, but it's not a surprise to me, and certainly doesn't warrant an "awesome" reaction.
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Post by Stephen on Apr 22, 2010 10:19:16 GMT -5
According to the Billboard real-time tracker, Undo It is today's greatest gainer. Pretty awesome for a song that hasn't even been sent to radio yet. Country No.1 Lady Antebellum American Honey +5847 Carrie Underwood Undo ItAs Zazie and ShaniaGotchaGood explained above, it is inaccurate to descirbe Undo as "not being sent to radio yet". Since the album's been out for six months now, every radio station can play the song whenever they want to. It's just that, since we're not to the "add date" yet, those stations would be playing of their own volition, as the label won't be cranking up their big promo machine and soliciting airplay until then (supposedly). And since it's well-known knowledge that this is the next single, and Carrie's a big star, it shouldn't be that shocking to see stations giving it that unsolicited airplay, to make it the Greatest Gainer. Certainly doesn't warrant an "awesome" reaction. The song hasn't been serviced to radio yet. Adds dates are irrelevant, I know, but don't singles usually get airplay until the single is shipped to radio?
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Post by drock89 on Apr 22, 2010 10:22:20 GMT -5
Yup, the only time an "adds date" matters is when the label has something big planned for the roll-out. For instance, "Party For Two" was debuted on the top 20 stations in America at the same time. Had a station played the song even an hour before, they probably would have faced retribution from the label. Otherwise, every song is fair game, though as I said, occasionally the label will throw a hissy and prevent album cuts or planned singles from being played prematurely.
I'm going to take a slightly different tone than Jonsolo and just say that, while I'm not surprised (nor is he), this is probably going to make an impressive debut on Billboard, so it'll be interesting to see how much Carrie can actually accumulate before Saturday's cutoff.
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Post by 43dudleyvillas on Apr 22, 2010 10:33:44 GMT -5
As Zazie and ShaniaGotchaGood explained above, it is inaccurate to descirbe Undo as "not being sent to radio yet". Hmmm...I'm not sure this is an accurate statement. I think countrygirl918's point is that the song hasn't yet been "sent" to radio via Play MPE and the usual vehicles. That is correct, is it not? The rest of your post sounds about right to me, given what ShaniaGotchaGood and Zazie have pointed out -- stations can simply pick up the album track and play that knowing that "Undo It" is the next single, and stations are more likely to do this in the case of core artists in the format. I'm not sure why "Temporary Home" dropped so fast, given that its callout remained strong. But then again, word had gotten out that a driving midtempo track was up next, so I guess radio programmers were ready to move on. I'm going to take a slightly different tone than Jonsolo and just say that, while I'm not surprised (nor is he), this is probably going to make an impressive debut on Billboard, I'm going to quibble again and note that "Undo It" has already debuted (at #43, as posted above by leilamaurizia). But sure, it will be interesting to see how much additional airplay the song accumulates this week.
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Post by drock89 on Apr 22, 2010 11:29:16 GMT -5
I'm going to take a slightly different tone than Jonsolo and just say that, while I'm not surprised (nor is he), this is probably going to make an impressive debut on Billboard, I'm going to quibble again and note that "Undo It" has already debuted (at #43, as posted above by leilamaurizia). But sure, it will be interesting to see how much additional airplay the song accumulates this week. Well, see, here's where things get interesting. Sometimes the label will mark the official debut as when the song actually hit the charts; sometimes it will take the first week after it's add date. Obviously, with this song and songs like "Before He Cheats," taking the add date gives the song a higher debut and looks better in the books. So I stand corrected that the song has already debuted. I wonder, though, what Arista would have to say about that...
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Post by leilamaurizia on Apr 22, 2010 12:06:00 GMT -5
Well, I'm going to use the word "impressed" too. I'm not going to go the way of "OMG!!!" and I won't use the words "best," "history," "ever," or "goddess of the universe and beyond." But yes, I'm impressed with the progress of "Undo It" thus far. I know most stations probably have the album and they can buy the track on iTunes if they want, but it's not par for the course that stations play a single that hasn't been released to them yet, whether by Play MPE, physical singles or whatever else. To me, it certainly seems like an indication that UI will be an easy hit. Yes, I know all of Carrie's songs have been hits but UI seems to be showing signs that it's going to be bigger and will progress as a hit more naturally.
For instance, when compared to "Temporary Home": - TH was released to radio November 23rd (with adds date December 14th). It debuted on BB that chart week (ending 11/29) at #48 with 113 spins and 1.091 million AIs. - UI, on the other hand, has not been released to radio. Stations, using their own copy, played it enough for it to debut at #43 with 145 spins and 1.253 million AIs.
Even taking into account panel changes, I'm still impressed.
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Post by onebuffalo on Apr 22, 2010 13:34:20 GMT -5
I will try to predict where Undo It will be on next week's chart based on the first two single releases from Play On. Ready? Cowboy Casanova-#26 to #18 Temporary Home-#48 to #36 Undo It-#43 to #33
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Post by Zazie on Apr 22, 2010 13:51:19 GMT -5
I will try to predict where Undo It will be on next week's chart based on the first two single releases from Play On. Ready? Cowboy Casanova-#26 to #18 Temporary Home-#48 to #36 Undo It-#43 to #33 OK, let's take a look at that. Cowboy Casa gained 5.7 million impressions in its second chart week to move 26-18. Then Temp Home moved up about 1.8 million to make its 12-position move. Based on those entirely dissimilar chart moves, you expect Undo to move up to #33, which means an audience of about 3 million -- a gain of about 1.8 million for a 10-position move. So what you're saying is that we should disregard Cowboy Casanova's move entirely and this one will do the same thing that Temporary Home did. If that's what you intended, you made me work awfully hard to figure it out.
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Post by Ten Pound Hammer on Apr 22, 2010 14:50:56 GMT -5
I know most stations probably have the album and they can buy the track on iTunes if they want, but it's not par for the course that stations play a single that hasn't been released to them yet, whether by Play MPE, physical singles or whatever else. Which is basically what happened with "Before He Cheats," right? One or two stations were spinning it as an album cut. (I say two because one station was already named here before, and I remember that WBCT Grand Rapids had it in medium rotation back before "Don't Forget to Remember Me" was done.) Same thing with "Honky Tonk Badonkadonk." It eked out one week as an album track when "Songs About Me" was climbing, and I know that my station played the album version for months. There was a time when both it and "Arlington" were in heavy rotation.
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Post by countrygirl918 on Apr 22, 2010 16:44:55 GMT -5
Hmmm...I'm not sure this is an accurate statement. I think countrygirl918's point is that the song hasn't yet been "sent" to radio via Play MPE and the usual vehicles. That is correct, is it not? Yes, that's what I meant. Thanks dudley. And yes, it seems like the adds date for this song is going to be even more irrelevant than I thought it would be. I know some people were nervous about how "Undo It" would be received on country radio due to the more pop-ish nature of the chorus, but it seems country radio is chomping at the bit to start playing it. Hopefully we'll see this trend continue.
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Post by joey2002 on Apr 22, 2010 17:53:22 GMT -5
Speaking if irrelevant - what was the adds date for Garth's "More Than A Memory"?
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Post by bigbluenote on Apr 22, 2010 18:47:28 GMT -5
Speaking if irrelevant - what was the adds date for Garth's "More Than A Memory"? LOL! Good one.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2010 13:43:28 GMT -5
Adds date is very irrelevant for Carrie. She could crack top 30 this week, possibly as high as #29 and no lower than #33...I'm leaning towards a top 30 debut.
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Post by Zazie on Apr 23, 2010 13:59:32 GMT -5
Adds date is very irrelevant for Carrie. She could crack top 30 this week, possibly as high as #29 and no lower than #33...I'm leaning towards a top 30 debut. Can't she let Gary Allan make the top 30 and then fly past him next week? There should be some acts of kindness by songs that are going to #1 either way -- she can afford to be generous. Slow down, Carrie.
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Post by carrieidol1 on Apr 23, 2010 15:16:12 GMT -5
Adds date is very irrelevant for Carrie. She could crack top 30 this week, possibly as high as #29 and no lower than #33...I'm leaning towards a top 30 debut. Can't she let Gary Allan make the top 30 and then fly past him next week? There should be some acts of kindness by songs that are going to #1 either way -- she can afford to be generous. Slow down, Carrie. It's not her fault! It's the radio's fault for loving her so much ;)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2010 20:34:41 GMT -5
^I agree. And I was thinking about that earlier today...isn't it funny how songs get passed up and yet can easily wind up at #1? For example, Brad's "Water" has likely passed up a couple future #1 hits, and should pass up Jason Aldean, who (unfortunately) might take Crazy Town to the top. Carrie will undoubtedly pass just about everyone, and a handful of those songs will be #1s. I don't wanna guess yet though! I've got my eyes on some dark horse-type songs, but "Undo It" isn't one of those...a sure #1 I believe.
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Post by phil1996 on Apr 23, 2010 20:58:48 GMT -5
^I thought you were a fan of Aldeans 'Crazy Town'?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2010 0:18:38 GMT -5
^I thought you were a fan of Aldeans 'Crazy Town'? It's alright...but it's not even half as good as "She's Country", which was a far cry from "The Truth". I like Aldean, as I've seen him live. Basically I find it hard not to like most country singers. But I just mean that "Crazy Town", while tolerable, is in the bottom half of my song preferences right now, and it's passing up more quality songs that are more deserving of #1. I like Carrie's "Undo It" better than "Crazy Town" too.
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