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Post by tsw2008 on Jun 10, 2011 8:25:52 GMT -5
LMAO @ people thinking Adele is getting snubbed, ha. She is going to sweep.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Jun 10, 2011 8:41:08 GMT -5
Commercial success has certainly played a role in some albums getting nominated (aned even winning) in past years- Backstreet Boys nominated for Album of the Years? I mean, really? And Celine Dion nominated AND winning? Uh,m yeah, commercial success has nothing to do with it. ;) For a lot of the history, it's been a combo of commercial success and safe, middle-of-the-road, non-threatening music for the top categories- just scroll through the history to see that.
Of course, at times, true critically acclaimed works (which also were commercial successes) were nominated or even won. But, Grammy voters are not critics, nor do they necessarily think nominees/winners are the *best*- it's not "Best" Album or Record of the Year, after all. So, it's a combination of factors that go into the whole thing.
On the positive, the Grammys have made some better choices over the last decade-plus, and Adele certainly fits the bill in this day and age as an act who will get multiple nominations and probably win some categories.
And, let's see that 10th week on top. :) If it misses it this week, will it have a shot again anytime in the near future? Maybe July.
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Post by colson on Jun 10, 2011 9:11:36 GMT -5
^Oh, you'll never get over that Celine Dion win, huh? You've been occasionally mentioning that mystifying win for over 10 years.lol
Would you have had the same reaction if WTE would've gotten it? ;)
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Post by Verisimilitude on Jun 10, 2011 9:19:26 GMT -5
HG certainly must have no problems with George Michael winning Album of The Year for "Faith". ;) It was before we knew he loved bacon!
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Post by like2throw on Jun 10, 2011 9:19:27 GMT -5
^Oh, you'll never get over that Celine Dion win, huh? You've been occasionally mentioning that mystifying win for over 10 years.lol Would you have had the same reaction if WTE would've gotten it? ;) Honestly I thought either the Smashing Pumpkins or WTE would win, but it was a great set of nominees.
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Post by colson on Jun 10, 2011 9:20:36 GMT -5
HG certainly must have no problems with George Michael winning Album of The Year for "Faith". ;) It was before we knew he loved bacon! ???
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Post by Sir Benji on Jun 10, 2011 9:21:28 GMT -5
I highly, highly doubt Adele walks away empty-handed at the Grammys. This is hardly like India Arie. Adele's album also has a lot of commercial success to match her critical success. And as recent history has shown, the Grammys love dishing out awards to artists who have a good blend of commercial and critical success. That, and Adele has already won 2 Grammys before. She's probably going to win the Pop performance and Pop Album awards, and it the front-runner for the Big 3 at this point. No offense but the Grammy's are virtually irrelavent at this point. Who cares what a bunch of "old" probably rock writers think. Commercial success is truly the only thing that matters. Smh. The grammy committe is not a bunch of old rock writers. Its a mixture of artists, producers, a&r's, writers etc. Young and older. The comittee is made of the grammy nominees peers. You might want to know what your talking about before you start spouting off ignorance in your posts, and the grammy's may not be as popular as they once were but they are far from irrelevant.
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Post by PDC1987 on Jun 10, 2011 9:25:43 GMT -5
I highly, highly doubt Adele walks away empty-handed at the Grammys. This is hardly like India Arie. Adele's album also has a lot of commercial success to match her critical success. And as recent history has shown, the Grammys love dishing out awards to artists who have a good blend of commercial and critical success. That, and Adele has already won 2 Grammys before. She's probably going to win the Pop performance and Pop Album awards, and it the front-runner for the Big 3 at this point. No offense but the Grammy's are virtually irrelavent at this point. Who cares what a bunch of "old" probably rock writers think. Commercial success is truly the only thing that matters. What do the Grammys have to do with "old rock writers?"
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Post by jams on Jun 10, 2011 9:53:08 GMT -5
It's not like Gaga does all the stage production or choreography all by herself. no, but she can dance. all i'm saying is that she is a triple threat. adele is a double. and as someone said, i guess adele's music doesn't really lend itself to choreography. regardless, gaga could stand and sing perfectly fine. i'm not sure i can say that adele could crank out one of her songs while moving vigorously. Well GaGa is not a genius songwriter. Sorry, but her songs are not that wonderful and she rips off others, and then lied about getting an email from Madonna giving her blessing for ripping off her song. GaGa is definitely a good performance artist, and she can play the piano. I don't thinks he is the writer or singer that Adelle is. It's kind of like comparing apples to oranges. Except, I can see Adele being popular for a long time, whereas GaGa's popularity is based on her crazy, outrageous persona, and her persona, which is put on and pretty fake much of the time.
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Post by like2throw on Jun 10, 2011 9:58:06 GMT -5
no, but she can dance. all i'm saying is that she is a triple threat. adele is a double. and as someone said, i guess adele's music doesn't really lend itself to choreography. regardless, gaga could stand and sing perfectly fine. i'm not sure i can say that adele could crank out one of her songs while moving vigorously. Well GaGa is not a genius songwriter. Sorry, but her songs are not that wonderful and she rips off others, and then lied about getting an email from Madonna giving her blessing for ripping off her song. GaGa is definitely a good performance artist, and she can play the piano. I don't thinks he is the writer or singer that Adelle is. It's kind of like comparing apples to oranges. Except, I can see Adele being popular for a long time, whereas GaGa's popularity is based on her crazy, outrageous persona, and her persona, which is put on and pretty fake much of the time. Neither is Adele though....
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Post by Fat Ass Kelly Price on Jun 10, 2011 10:02:46 GMT -5
And Gaga 'ripping off' songs and lying about the Madonna email are both unfounded.
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Post by kristal on Jun 10, 2011 11:41:40 GMT -5
I'd argue Gaga is far more talented than Adele. They can both sing and write, but Gaga can perform while Adele just stands there... I don't agree but that is all subjective. I also don't get the comparisons between the two. And of course people will think one is better than the other based upon their own preferences. I will say that being a good performer, imo, isn't about moving across the stage. Being a good performer is about connecting with the audience. Being able to express how you feel through your music and making the audience feel the same. An artist doesn't have to dance to do that. It certainly can be done with just standing in place or sitting down. Adele certainly does that for me.
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Post by badrobot on Jun 10, 2011 11:52:58 GMT -5
Maybe Gaga and Adele can BOTH be talented?
Why does everything have to be black and white diva fights?
Adele and Gaga are very different artists. I've seen both live and have all the albums of both of them, and have enjoyed their music and their performances. I don't see how you can pit them head to head like this, or what the point of it even is.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2011 11:59:33 GMT -5
"no, but she can dance. "Which one of you gerwls said this? I love Gaga but let's keep it one-hunn-ed.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2011 12:24:23 GMT -5
This comment was pointless. what does a 3rd week at #1 mean for Gaga? Nothing. What would a 10th week at #1 mean for Gaga? She beat Adele. End. ...................
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Post by Caviar on Jun 10, 2011 12:44:23 GMT -5
Maybe Gaga and Adele can BOTH be talented? Why does everything have to be black and white diva fights? Adele and Gaga are very different artists. I've seen both live and have all the albums of both of them, and have enjoyed their music and their performances. I don't see how you can pit them head to head like this, or what the point of it even is. This! So many pressed and bitter queens in this thread.
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Post by David on Jun 10, 2011 13:02:23 GMT -5
I don't think GaGa is fake at all. Is it so hard for people to comprehend a personality like hers? Apparently so. I guess everyone has to act like a typical celebrity (which is probably the actual fake personality) to not be fake. I'm sure she's told a lie or 2, but who hasn't? Get over it. Her music is amazing. You can say she's not a genius songwriter all you want, but IMO she is. She does her own melodies and compositions a lot of the time. Several of her producers have even said so. I don't think she intentionally rips off other melodies or sounds. We've all been exposed to a lot of music and when we try to create a melody we often draw from our brain, which will pull from things it knows. You can't create a melody if you've never heard music. At least not a good one. Everything branches from what we know and what we've heard. Its just that pretty much every melody out there has already been done before. I'm sure if some of these people wanted to, they could find songs that Adele has "ripped off". I have heard of several producers saying they've spent countless hours in the studio trying to come up with something new and original and end up getting frustrated because everything they create ends up sounding like something else. We've hit a wall people. Deal with it, get over it, and enjoy the music you have regardless of it sounding like something else.
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Post by jams on Jun 10, 2011 13:14:49 GMT -5
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Post by jams on Jun 10, 2011 13:28:12 GMT -5
I don't think GaGa is fake at all. Is it so hard for people to comprehend a personality like hers? Apparently so. I guess everyone has to act like a typical celebrity (which is probably the actual fake personality) to not be fake. I'm sure she's told a lie or 2, but who hasn't? Get over it. Her music is amazing. You can say she's not a genius songwriter all you want, but IMO she is. She does her own melodies and compositions a lot of the time. Several of her producers have even said so. I don't think she intentionally rips off other melodies or sounds. We've all been exposed to a lot of music and when we try to create a melody we often draw from our brain, which will pull from things it knows. You can't create a melody if you've never heard music. At least not a good one. Everything branches from what we know and what we've heard. Its just that pretty much every melody out there has already been done before. I'm sure if some of these people wanted to, they could find songs that Adele has "ripped off". I have heard of several producers saying they've spent countless hours in the studio trying to come up with something new and original and end up getting frustrated because everything they create ends up sounding like something else. We've hit a wall people. Deal with it, get over it, and enjoy the music you have regardless of it sounding like something else. Sorry, but it's not that complicated or "deep". Lady GaGa is making bucks off of an image -which is fine, but a lot of it is bullshit to stand out. She acts like she is so poor she can't get a new apt, and talks about cockroaches in her apt. She was raised in the upper east side of NYC and went to the same school Nikki Hilton went to. She'll talk about being with her friends in school - now suddenly she was bullied and has to blubber backstage on her special. She is so against bullying and preaches about accepting yourself, but her best buddy before she became huge was Perez Hlilton when he was at the peak of insulting women's looks and even babies of celebrities! She went to the much music awards with him two years ago, and he went into a club with her and insulted Fergie calling her "fugly" in front of patrons, which caused Will I am to confront Perez, and Perez called him a male who is into other malesgot. . GaGa can be heard saying "it's been a beautiful night" to Perez as he's insulting Will, to try to get him to stop. If she was so into this anti-bully stuff, she would have not been ok hanging with Perez- but she needed attention and publicity at that time. Oh and her little Catholic BS she talks about on shows like the View where middle aged women talk is hillarious based on things she does with religious figures and items. And she's not all Italian. Her mom is not Italian.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2011 13:33:55 GMT -5
David Bowie's image was criticized as being "fake" in the 70s. Boy George's image was criticized as being "fake" in the 80s. This is hardly anything new, to call anyone who visually deviates from the norm as being "fake".
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Post by Push The Button on Jun 10, 2011 13:42:14 GMT -5
David Bowie's image was criticized as being "fake" in the 70s. Boy George's image was criticized as being "fake" in the 80s. This is hardly anything new, to call anyone who visually deviates from the norm as being "fake". You're only not fake if you don't talk highly of your own work. Katy Perry isn't fake. Britney Spears isn't fake. Giggle.
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Post by David on Jun 10, 2011 13:45:16 GMT -5
[ She acts like she is so poor she can't get a new apt, and talks about cockroaches in her apt. She was raised in the upper east side of NYC and went to the same school Nikki Hilton went to. Wasn't the school she went to with Nicki the performing arts school or whatever it was. I don't think it was an actual public high school. Not to mention, it wasn't her entire childhood. So.. Oh. I didn't realize because you had friends that you couldn't be bullied... My mistake. I guess that means I wasn't thrown against lockers and bathroom stalls? Please get real here. You can still be bullied and have friends. That doesn't stop people who are half back saying they're black. lol Girl bye.
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Post by Fat Ass Kelly Price on Jun 10, 2011 13:49:40 GMT -5
They aren't identical. There are some similarities, but similarities are found in all music. Seriously. People are just pouncing on Gaga because she's on top and take pride in her work. You can literally sing California Girls over Tik Tok without modification, then add Dynamite into that equation. Where's your outrage there? Push the Button covered the rest.
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Post by oldskool2 on Jun 10, 2011 14:30:19 GMT -5
Lady Gaga claiming to be poor growing up is the biggest crook of shit ever. I know the building she grew up in the UES and the rent starts from the $10,000. Her parents friends are among the rich elite of Manhattan.
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Post by lugus15 on Jun 10, 2011 14:33:58 GMT -5
LAMO @ people calling her fake on her MTV special.
Please if she was being fake, would you think that she would have admitted that her own father wasn't an open minded person (ie Homophobe) before he got to meet her fans, and how this new found stardom has changed her and her families lives???
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Post by lugus15 on Jun 10, 2011 14:36:45 GMT -5
Lady Gaga claiming to be poor growing up is the biggest crook of s**t ever. I know the building she grew up in the UES and the rent starts from the $10,000. Her parents friends are among the rich elite of Manhattan. She has never said she was poor when growing up. She did say that her families backgrounds (both her fathers and mothers') are NOT from wealthy backgrounds. Her father became, I wouldn't call him wealthy, but with some money, by his own SELFMADE HARDWORK. Her apartment, that she lived when she moved OUT of her Family's home, and she was a struggling artist, is the one she is referring to.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2011 16:09:30 GMT -5
Let's go Adele!!! Let talent win please! Just so you know, anybody who thinks Gaga isn't talented is a moron. I must be a moron then because I can't stand Gaga.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Jun 10, 2011 16:27:08 GMT -5
Where's your link backing up the claim from Madonna's camp? Other than a tabloid link? Can't find one? Didn't think so.
If Madonna or anyone had grounds to sue GaGa for ripping them off, I'm sure they would. As of now, there are none. So again, you have nothing.
You think she's fake? That's fine. But it's just your perspective and certainly doesn't mean it's true by any means. Again, nothing to back it up other than baseless claims.Actually, ignore my entire post. I just realized we had this exact same conversation a few weeks back. It doesn't matter what people tell you, you're going to go on believing whatever you want anyway. Waste. Of. Time. If you're going to keep spewing the same BS in every topic without considering anything anyone provides, give it up.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Jun 10, 2011 16:30:36 GMT -5
Just so you know, anybody who thinks Gaga isn't talented is a moron. I must be a moron then because I can't stand Gaga. That isn't even the same thing at all? You can still not like someone but think they're talented? Just as much as you can like someone but still admit they aren't very good.
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Post by DJ General on Jun 10, 2011 16:40:32 GMT -5
Great consistency for Jason Aldean! I wouldn't be surprised if he does over 2 million by year's end. I have a feeling Adele will come on top this week, but while I hope she sells just about as much as Gaga, I hope Gaga gets her third week. Eminem will be #1 next week, not GaGa or Adele
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