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Post by Push The Button on Sept 12, 2011 19:08:00 GMT -5
Tina Turner is also not inducted as a solo performer - she's inducted as part of Ike and Tina.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2011 19:11:11 GMT -5
Tina Turner - the solo artist is not really Hall worhy I think
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Post by Push The Button on Sept 12, 2011 19:45:32 GMT -5
The woman proclaimed as the "Queen of Rock n Roll" is not worthy?  |
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Post by Nick on Sept 12, 2011 19:46:30 GMT -5
Stevie Nicks too. She is in as part of Fleetwood Mac only.
She needs to be in there as a solo act. Don't even try to say she's not worthy.
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Post by d.t.m on Sept 12, 2011 19:50:35 GMT -5
I don't think the RHOF likes to re-induct performers who already had their stage name headlining their previous act. It's kind of redundant. This is what has kept Diana Ross from getting a solo induction (Diana Ross & The Supremes).
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Post by CammyCan on Sept 12, 2011 19:51:12 GMT -5
Other than Bella Donna I don't think her solo career warrants a separate induction.
Edit: Someone deleted their comment about a separate Stevie Nicks induction. That's what I was responding to.
Tina should definitely be the R & R Hall of Fame though.
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Post by letshavefun3 on Sept 12, 2011 20:04:16 GMT -5
I have a feeling the B-52's may sneak in this year or next.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2011 20:07:37 GMT -5
The woman proclaimed as the "Queen of Rock n Roll" is not worthy? Anyway, a 3 year period in the mid 80s of being significant. Not sure that is hall worthy. Anybody getting inducted in the hall of fame on what amounts to basically two major albums, needs to have those albums influence rock or inspire others in the development of other rock artists in some major way. |
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Post by Push The Button on Sept 12, 2011 20:30:50 GMT -5
The woman proclaimed as the "Queen of Rock n Roll" is not worthy? Anyway, a 3 year period in the mid 80s of being significant. Not sure that is hall worthy. Anybody getting inducted in the hall of fame on what amounts to basically two major albums, needs to have those albums influence rock or inspire others in the development of other rock artists in some major way. Then she should be inducted for "Acid Queen" alone. ;) Every female rocker - Pat Benatar, Joan Jett, Stevie Nicks, etc. all name her as a major influence. Since induction is not based on stats, the fact that her albums weren't selling as well in her late 40s shouldn't be an issue. It's irrelevant anyway. For all we know Tina just doesn't want to cough up the money to be inducted. |
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Post by Verisimilitude on Sept 12, 2011 20:30:55 GMT -5
Er, are you forgetting her recording breaking grossing world tour in 2000? Heffa was on top of the world at that moment.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2011 20:35:48 GMT -5
Anyway, a 3 year period in the mid 80s of being significant. Not sure that is hall worthy. Anybody getting inducted in the hall of fame on what amounts to basically two major albums, needs to have those albums influence rock or inspire others in the development of other rock artists in some major way. Then she should be inducted for "Acid Queen" alone. ;) Every female rocker - Pat Benatar, Joan Jett, Stevie Nicks, etc. all name her as a major influence. Since induction is not based on stats, the fact that her albums weren't selling as well in her late 40s shouldn't be an issue. Pat Benetar, Joan Jett and Stevie Nicks all hit big PRIOR TO Tina Turner the solo artist. How can they then cite Tina Turner, the solo artist, who hadn't done anything up to 1984 as an influence? A brief blip by Acid Queen in 1975 Are you saying Pat Benetar, Joan Jett and Stevie Nicks were all heavily influenced by 'Acid Queen' Not disagreeing with Tina Turner of (Ike & Tina) Tina Turner - the solo artist really began in 1984 |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2011 20:40:00 GMT -5
If we want to go down the 'Acid Queen' path, this is an album of cover songs featuring 'Let's Spend The Night Together', "Under My Thumb" and "Whole Lotta Love"
An album of cover songs is rock hall worthy of couse ;)
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Post by HolidayGuy on Sept 12, 2011 21:04:29 GMT -5
None of Tina's solo work- outside of Private Dancer- hit it big critically. So, while I like Tina as a solo act, I'm also not sure she as a solo act is someone the HOF would consider- it hasn't
t since she first became eligible. As for Stevie Nicks, a similar case- but she never had an album achieve the critical success that Private Dancer did. Her solo work didn't really compare to the work she did with Fleetwood Mac.
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Post by texasdevil on Sept 13, 2011 19:03:04 GMT -5
Don't get me wrong- I LOVE Stevie Nicks (seen her in concert solo and with Fleetwood Mac seven times), but beyond Rumours (of which Christine McVie and Buckingham also greatly contributed) and Bella Donna, the women had no artistic growth afterwards.
(Name me one song that stuck after "Stand Back".)
Stevie keeps on saying she's an active songwriter, but Trouble in Shanggri-La is full of old, rehashed songs written in the 70s. Ditto for In Your Dreams. (Go find the OLD demos on Youtube.)
All her albums after BD were....not so great. (Don't get me started on her always blaming drug abuse for her short coming.)
As many times as I've seen Stevie perform live (last time was at the Woodlands Pavilion last month), I''ve always wished she had the energy and excitement of Tina Turner, who even in her last tour, dance, and danced and dance and dance and danced and danced while hitting all the right notes with sass.
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Post by texasdevil on Sept 13, 2011 19:08:42 GMT -5
Then she should be inducted for "Acid Queen" alone. ;) Every female rocker - Pat Benatar, Joan Jett, Stevie Nicks, etc. all name her as a major influence. Since induction is not based on stats, the fact that her albums weren't selling as well in her late 40s shouldn't be an issue. Pat Benetar, Joan Jett and Stevie Nicks all hit big PRIOR TO Tina Turner the solo artist. How can they then cite Tina Turner, the solo artist, who hadn't done anything up to 1984 as an influence? A brief blip by Acid Queen in 1975 Are you saying Pat Benetar, Joan Jett and Stevie Nicks were all heavily influenced by 'Acid Queen' Not disagreeing with Tina Turner of (Ike & Tina) Tina Turner - the solo artist really began in 1984 Did anyone see how disappointed Oprah was when Tina Turner was not appearing on her show, but Stevie and Pat were? |
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Post by Nick on Sept 13, 2011 19:17:40 GMT -5
Don't get me wrong- I LOVE Stevie Nicks (seen her in concert solo and with Fleetwood Mac seven times), but beyond Rumours (of which Christine McVie and Buckingham also greatly contributed) and Bella Donna, the women had no artistic growth afterwards. (Name me one song that stuck after "Stand Back".) Stevie keeps on saying she's an active songwriter, but Trouble in Shanggri-La is full of old, rehashed songs written in the 70s. Ditto for In Your Dreams. (Go find the OLD demos on Youtube.) All her albums after BD were....not so great. (Don't get me started on her always blaming drug abuse for her short coming.) As many times as I've seen Stevie perform live (last time was at the Woodlands Pavilion last month), I''ve always wished she had the energy and excitement of Tina Turner, who even in her last tour, dance, and danced and dance and dance and danced and danced while hitting all the right notes with sass. We are talking about people who have been an influence and also been around for over 25 years. So what if you don't like her albums? Before you speak, look at the some of the rediculously obscure people who are already in. It's a slap in the face to real artists. I'm glad Ozzy told them to fuck off for many years when they approached him. |
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Post by HolidayGuy on Sept 13, 2011 22:15:30 GMT -5
^Who would you consider obscure? Not all acts had to have been big names/commercial successes- not what it's about. With some acts, their induction as part of the group is sufficient. There are some acts inducted as both part of a group and as solo acts-Paul McCartney, Eric Clapton and Michael Jackson come to mind.
One of the big controversies in terms of solo inductions is Smokey Robinson- his solo work hardly warrants induction, but his work with The Miracles does. However, The Miracles are not in the Hall. The bulk of Robinson's bio at the Rock Hall site discusses his work with The Miracles, so some feel The Miracles are being slighted in all of this.
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Post by Luckie Starchild on Sept 13, 2011 22:21:51 GMT -5
Laura Nyro should be inducted!
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Post by d.t.m on Sept 14, 2011 3:22:23 GMT -5
One of the big controversies in terms of solo inductions is Smokey Robinson- his solo work hardly warrants induction, but his work with The Miracles does. However, The Miracles are not in the Hall. The bulk of Robinson's bio at the Rock Hall site discusses his work with The Miracles, so some feel The Miracles are being slighted in all of this. It really shoulda been SR & The Miracles as they did with Diana Ross, but let's not forget Smokey being such a driving force of the Motown sound with his stellar songwriting and production skills. I really think that was the deciding factor w/ the RHOF. |
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Post by HolidayGuy on Sept 14, 2011 9:26:45 GMT -5
^Probably so.
RE Diana Ross- I doubt the HOF committee will seriously consider nominating/inducting her as a solo act. She's been eligible since 1995 and has yet to be nominated.
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Post by Nick on Sept 14, 2011 10:37:47 GMT -5
Darlene Love for example. She's more known as a back up singer. She was inducted last year I believe.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Sept 14, 2011 10:43:07 GMT -5
^That is true, but she is the main voice behind "He's a Rebel' (credited to The Crystals; also sang lead on another Crystals track)- and, she was the original singer of "Christmas (Baby Please Come Home)". It took a while for her induction- like Neil Diamond, she was eligible for 20-plus years before getting in.
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Post by Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815... on Sept 14, 2011 12:34:53 GMT -5
Can't wait for Mariah to be inducted in 2015!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2011 12:42:40 GMT -5
Can't wait for Mariah to be inducted in 2015! Tough chance! |
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Post by Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815... on Sept 14, 2011 12:57:36 GMT -5
Can't wait for Mariah to be inducted in 2015! Tough chance! Lol, I know. I just posted that for one reason..... Holidayguy, lol ;) |
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Post by HolidayGuy on Sept 14, 2011 13:03:52 GMT -5
^Haha I actually don't think it's an impossibility that Mimi could get in someday (no pun intended). But, yeah, she's unlikely to be a contender upon her eligibility (or anytime soon thereafter).
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Post by Mr. Wonder on Sept 14, 2011 13:05:49 GMT -5
Hoping Janet at least gets on the ballot.
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Post by d.t.m on Sept 14, 2011 13:26:35 GMT -5
^Probably so. RE Diana Ross- I doubt the HOF committee will seriously consider nominating/inducting her as a solo act. She's been eligible since 1995 and has yet to be nominated. I know that. I was saying they should have inducted Smokey along with the Miracles like they did Diana with the Supremes. 2 birds, one stone. I don't think the RHOF likes to do double inductions for an artist anyway if they've already had their first or full name as part of the marquee for the first act that establishes their identity (i.e. Ike & Tina). |
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Post by horchata on Sept 14, 2011 13:31:23 GMT -5
Laura Nyro should be inducted! Spot on. |
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Post by d.t.m on Sept 14, 2011 13:33:43 GMT -5
Hoping Janet at least gets on the ballot. Janet needs a proper comeback to secure a nomination and/or induction. |
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