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Post by PDC1987 on Sept 14, 2011 13:45:07 GMT -5
She still won't get in. If they're not impressed with the last 30 years it's not likely she'll put out an album that makes them reconsider.
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Post by Verisimilitude on Sept 14, 2011 14:17:18 GMT -5
She still won't get in. If they're not impressed with the last 30 years it's not likely she'll put out an album that makes them reconsider. It can happen. We can safely say that ABBA wouldn't have gotten inducted if it wasn't for the success of the "Mamma Mia" movie (and I love them to pieces, so that's not shade).
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Post by HolidayGuy on Sept 14, 2011 15:51:15 GMT -5
A strong album from Damita- which has not really happened since The Velvet Rope (though that album was not a big critical hit in terms of best-of lists) could make the HOF committee look at her more seriously- whether that translates to a nomination and/or induction and when, remains to be seen.
The Mamma Mia movie helped raise Abba's profile (the Broadway musical had helped the group for years in that regard), but it wasn't exactly a great movie or anything. Since commercial success is not a notabler factor for induction, the box office performance more than likely was not the reason why ABBA was inducted. :)
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Post by Mr. Wonder on Sept 14, 2011 16:33:19 GMT -5
Hoping Janet at least gets on the ballot. Janet needs a proper comeback to secure a nomination and/or induction. No she doesn't. That 25 years and impact is all just foolishness. Getting in the R&R HOF is based on whether or not Jann Werner likes you or not. There's plenty of artists who didn't have a comeback and still got inducted.
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Post by Verisimilitude on Sept 14, 2011 16:47:10 GMT -5
A strong album from Damita- which has not really happened since The Velvet Rope (though that album was not a big critical hit in terms of best-of lists) could make the HOF committee look at her more seriously- whether that translates to a nomination and/or induction and when, remains to be seen. Newsflash: the words "critical" and "acclaim" are your online painkillers.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Sept 14, 2011 16:56:36 GMT -5
^But of course. :)
Visions, Jann Werner's "influence" can only go so far. There are acts he's not crazy about that have made it onto the nominations ballot. After the committee determines the nominees, it's then up to the voting body of 400-500 to pick those who are inducted.
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Post by PDC1987 on Sept 14, 2011 17:01:34 GMT -5
She still won't get in. If they're not impressed with the last 30 years it's not likely she'll put out an album that makes them reconsider. It can happen. We can safely say that ABBA wouldn't have gotten inducted if it wasn't for the success of the "Mamma Mia" movie (and I love them to pieces, so that's not shade). And none of that spawned new ABBA material, their catalog and impact got them in. The movie showed how far their reach goes. Like them or not, ABBA laid the ground work for all the straight-up Pop music that came after them. The HOF simply couldn't ignore that any more after they saw how huge the movie was.
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Post by d.t.m on Sept 14, 2011 17:42:34 GMT -5
Janet needs a proper comeback to secure a nomination and/or induction. No she doesn't. That 25 years and impact is all just foolishness. Getting in the R&R HOF is based on whether or not Jann Werner likes you or not. There's plenty of artists who didn't have a comeback and still got inducted. Much of Janet's post-AFY material has somewhat tarnished her legacy. I agree with HG that she needs an album on par with her earlier work for the committee to take her seriously again.
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Post by MikeCheck12 on Sept 14, 2011 22:27:41 GMT -5
She deserves it. And 82% of the peeps at FutureRockLegends agree. It'll happen.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Sept 14, 2011 22:41:07 GMT -5
The 82% is from visitors to FRL- the site itself has her percentage chances currently at 62%. That may or may not mean anything- there are some acts with a lot lower of a percentage that have been inducted/nominated.
A nomination this year would be a pleasant surprise, but not expecting it.
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Post by MikeCheck12 on Sept 14, 2011 22:44:02 GMT -5
Pleasant, indeed.
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Post by Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815... on Sept 15, 2011 10:28:20 GMT -5
Is going to happen for Janet, whether is now or ten years from now. How can it not?
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Post by HolidayGuy on Sept 15, 2011 11:02:41 GMT -5
Like I've said before, for some acts, it's just a matter of when. Not all acts are instant no-brainers- that doesn't mean they're not deserving of consideration and/or induction.
For instance, last year's inductees all had to wait a significant amount of time from their first year of eligibility: 22 years for both Niel Diamond and Darlene Love; 17 years for Dr. John; 16 years for Alice Cooper; and 12 years for Tom Waits. In recent years, Little Anthony and the Imperials waited 23 years, while Dave Clark Five and The Ventures waited 20 and 22 years, respectively.
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Post by popstop on Sept 15, 2011 11:25:05 GMT -5
I think Smokey is also in based on his Motown leadership.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Sept 22, 2011 9:58:21 GMT -5
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Post by Carlitoz on Sept 22, 2011 16:04:41 GMT -5
Wow! So many amazing names, many about which I'm surprised they're not part of the hall of fame!!
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Post by d.t.m on Sept 22, 2011 16:30:22 GMT -5
Does anyone think Cyndi Lauper might get a nod one day? She'll still somewhat respected as a veteran act in the industry.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Sept 22, 2011 22:28:03 GMT -5
^Her big impact was with She's So Unusual- that's regarded as a landmark album. "True Colors" has become something of an anthem, but nothing post She's So Unusual racked up much in the way critical kudos. Considering she was not really considered in the three years she was eligible, I wouldn't expect a nomination anytime soon.
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Post by d.t.m on Sept 22, 2011 23:05:03 GMT -5
^I think She's So Unusual is one of the greatest debuts of all time actually.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Sept 22, 2011 23:14:04 GMT -5
^I agree. "Girls Just Want to Have Fun" and "Time After Time" are gems- and "Girls..." was a quasi-feminist anthem. Like how Aretha Franklin's version of "Respect" eclipsed the impact of the original version (i think "Girls..." was recorded by a male act before Lauper recorded it). The other singles on SSU are pretty good, too.
Also- Cyndi is a pretty decent live act. The trouble is that, like Pat Benatar, whenever she performs, you pretty much get the same setlist of songs/hits. She's probably seen as a nostalgia act, which could affect whether the Hall of Fame committee would consider her. She is part of the Hall's "Madonna and the Pop Explosion" section at the Women Who Rock exhibit, but that exhibit includes some acts who are not in the HOF and who probably will not be.
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Post by d.t.m on Sept 22, 2011 23:27:29 GMT -5
Actually Cyndi's changed her musical sound to blues and she's not bad from what I've heard.
She's got a great voice and speaking of covers, she redid or should I say outdid Prince's When You Were Mine, even leaving the gender in the lyrics the same. This caused some to speculate whether the man she was singing about was gay or bisexual. Pretty cool for it have been the 80's.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Sept 22, 2011 23:37:06 GMT -5
^Cyndi is a big advocate in the gay community, so that wouldn't surprise me if that were the case.
In terms of the music, she did that At Last covers album (I saw her in concert when she was promoting that). And she did release that acoustic album that featured reworkings of some of her hits. She only had a certain number of hits, so you pretty much know what you'll be hearing when she tours. She's had a good amount of material from her other albums, but she primarily sticks to the usual tracks when performing older material.
Pat Benatar also sings the usual oldies suspects when she tours- though she does have a handful of hits that she rarely does (i.e. "Treat Me Right") or has not done in eons ("Fire and Ice").
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Post by d.t.m on Sept 22, 2011 23:44:33 GMT -5
^It's kinda surprising Pat isn't in the RHOF.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Sept 23, 2011 8:51:18 GMT -5
^Yes and no. Yeah, because she's often hailed as one of the best females in rock and such. But, critics never really loved the material as a whole. The thing that drew me to her was her takes-no-s*it attitude, strong-female stance- not surprising, given who I was drawn to in a big way later on. :)
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Post by floridagrl on Sept 23, 2011 9:00:50 GMT -5
not surprising, given who I was drawn to in a big way later on. :) I wonder whom that could be, Holidayguy? LOL!
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Post by MikeCheck12 on Sept 26, 2011 8:53:00 GMT -5
I like Pat Benatar. I'd be happy with her nomination. It's probably not gonna happen, though.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Sept 26, 2011 21:08:56 GMT -5
Nominees set to be released tomorrow.
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Post by Mr. Wonder on Sept 27, 2011 3:07:47 GMT -5
No she doesn't. That 25 years and impact is all just foolishness. Getting in the R&R HOF is based on whether or not Jann Werner likes you or not. There's plenty of artists who didn't have a comeback and still got inducted. Much of Janet's post-AFY material has somewhat tarnished her legacy. I agree with HG that she needs an album on par with her earlier work for the committee to take her seriously again. I don't think that matters. Stevie Wonder was widely criticized for the decline in album quality following Hotter Than July, but the strength of his Classic Period work was enough to get him inducted in 1988, the year after critics consider his most lackluster 80s album, Characters. Granted Janet's albums aren't close to being as great as Stevie's 70s work, her contributions do at least warrant a nomination.
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Post by MikeCheck12 on Sept 27, 2011 4:08:31 GMT -5
Here they are:
Red Hot Chili Peppers Guns N' Roses Donovan Donna Summer Laura Nyro Rufus with Chaka Khan The Spinners The Small Faces (The Faces) The Cure War Eric B. & Rakim Beastie Boys Heart Joan Jett & The Blackhearts Freddy King
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Post by Mr. Wonder on Sept 27, 2011 4:10:10 GMT -5
The Spinners
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