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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2012 18:14:40 GMT -5
Well this is kind of a mess, lol. I wish we knew the actual weight that each component is getting. That is what is bothering most of us more than anything, I'm convinced - we are so used to being able to calculate things based on keeping up with the numbers, and now it's virtually impossible b/c we don't know how much weight On-Demand actually carries (or if that percentage varies from week to week). We don't really like uncertainty or surprises, lol...if we'd known the scale, however, we'd easily have been able to deduce that Bieber's sales would not over come fun.'s streams and AI, and other than a few sporadic opinions on whether we think the ratio is fair, we probably wouldn't say much more about it. Hmm, that was a rather long-winded way of saying I agree with Xiivi. If it was up to me it would be a 1 sale:1,000 AI:1,000 streams ratio, but of course it's not up to me. I'll say I'm kind of relieved this happened on Justin's watch and not on Katy/Gaga/Ke$ha/Beyonce/Rihanna/Kelly/Taylor/Carrie/etc. b/c then this thread would be a REAL mess. At least no one is personally invested in Justin getting a #1 so the debating is just that, neutral debating.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2012 18:56:55 GMT -5
Week Ending April 1, 2012. Songs: A Teen-Tastic Top 1By Paul Grein | Chart Watch – 5 hours ago Justin Bieber's "Boyfriend" sold 521K copies in its first week. Only one other song in digital history has gotten off to such a fast start. Flo Rida's "Right Round" sold 636K copies in its first week of digital availability in February 2009. So you might reasonably expect "Boyfriend" to enter Billboard's Hot 100 at #1. It doesn't. It opens at #2 behind "We Are Young" by fun. featuring Janelle Monae, which holds at #1 for the fifth straight week. What gives? Digital sales are just one component of the Hot 100, which also measures radio airplay and, as of the past few weeks, on-demand streaming data. "We Are Young" was way ahead in airplay points (it jumps to #2 on Billboard's Hot 100 Airplay chart, while "Boyfriend" debuts at #24.) Also, "We Are Young" is way ahead in terms of streaming points (it remains at #1 on a separate On-Demand Songs chart, whereas "Boyfriend" wasn't available on most streaming services during the tracking week). And though it was toppled from the top spot on Hot Digital Songs, "We Are Young" remains a potent digital seller. The song sold 364K copies this week. This is the fifth consecutive week in which the song has topped 300K in weekly sales. Only one other song in digital history, "Love The Way You Lie" by Eminem featuring Rihanna, has topped 300K five times. Even though "Boyfriend" didn't grab the coveted #1 spot, it's Bieber's highest-charting hit to date. It surpasses "Baby" (featuring Ludacris), which debuted and peaked at #5 in February 2010. "Boyfriend" represents a more mature sound for Bieber, closer to the slinky pop/R&B of pop music's other Justin than to the G-rated bubblegum of "Baby." Justin Timberlake made a similar transition from the bubblegum of such *NSYNC hits as "Bye Bye Bye" to a more grown-up sound on such early solo hits as "Cry Me A River." "Boyfriend" is Bieber's third top 10 hit and his first without a guest star. His other top 10 hit is "Never Say Never" (featuring Jaden Smith), which hit #8 in March 2011. With Bieber's high profile (he has a whopping 19 million Twitter followers) and strong album sales (more than 8 million albums sold in the U.S., according to Nielsen SoundScan), you might expect that he would have more than just three top 10 hits. Pop radio hasn't fully embraced him, not wanting to chase off older fans. But with the current acceptance of The Wanted and One Direction, as well as such other acts as Big Time Rush and Selena Gomez & the Scene, it seems clear that youth-targeted pop is on the rise. In addition to its strong showing in the U.S., "Boyfriend" enters the Canadian Hot 100 at #1. It's Bieber's first #1 in his home country. In other teen pop news, two boy bands are listed in this week's top 10. The Wanted dips from #3 to #4 with "Glad You Came," while One Direction jumps from #11 to #9 with "What Makes You Beautiful." (The five members of The Wanted range in age from 18 to 23. The five members of One Direction range from 18 to 20.) This echoes the epic boy band battles of the late '90s between Backstreet Boys and *NSYNC. Those two groups competed in the top 10 with three pairs of hits between February 1999 and December 2000. The key difference between then and now: The Wanted and One Direction are both British (One Direction has one Irish member). "Call Me Maybe," the breakthrough hit by Bieber protégé Carly Rae Jepsen, jumps from #18 to #10. (Jepsen is 26, but sounds years younger.) The song spent four weeks at #1 on the Canadian Hot 100. (Jepsen is also Canadian.) Bieber championed Jepsen in various forms of social media. It's only fitting that Bieber has played a significant role in helping to break Jepsen. He is "paying it forward" after Usher played a key role in getting him off the ground. In non-teen pop news, two of the week's top three hits on the Hot 100, "We Are Young" and "Somebody That I Used To Know" by Gotye featuring Kimbra, are both big hits at alternative radio. The latter song is #1 on Billboard's Alternative chart for the seventh week. The Fine Print: Two other songs (besides "Right Round" and "Boyfriend") have sold 520K or more copies in one week, but neither was in its first week of release at the time. Ke$ha's "TiK ToK" sold 610K copies in December 2009, when it was in its 14th week. Bruno Mars' "Grenade" sold 559K copies in December 2010, when it was in its 13th week. (Sales of both of these songs swelled because fans were itching to use gift-cards they had received for the holidays.) Here's the low-down on this week's top 10 songs. 1. fun. featuring Janelle Monae, "We Are Young." The song holds at #1 for the fifth straight week in its 15th week on the chart. This is its eighth week in the top 10. Digital sales rank: #2 (364K). 2. Justin Bieber, "Boyfriend." This new entry is Bieber's third top 10 hit; his highest-charting hit to date. Digital sales rank: #1 (521K). 3. Gotye featuring Kimbra, "Somebody That I Used To Know." The song jumps from #4 to #3 in its 13th week on the chart. This is its fifth week in the top 10. The song spent five weeks at #1 in the U.K. in February and March, which is the longest run so far this year. Digital sales rank: #3 (244K). 4. The Wanted, "Glad You Came." The song dips from #3 to #4 in 12th week on the chart. This is its sixth week in the top 10. The song was #1 in the U.K. for two weeks in July. Digital sales rank: #8 (169K). 5. Kelly Clarkson, "Stronger (What Doesn't Kill You)." The former #1 song drops from #2 to #5 in its 15th week on the chart. This is its 11th week in the top 10. Digital sales rank: #9 (137K). 6. Nicki Minaj, "Starships." The song dips from #5 to #6 in its seventh week on the chart. It has been in the top 10 the entire time. Digital sales rank: #4 (204K). 7. Flo Rida featuring Sia, "Wild Ones." The song holds at #7 for the second week in its 13th week on the chart. This is its third week in the top 10. The song tops the 1 million mark in digital sales this week. Digital sales rank: #6 (184K). 8. Katy Perry, "Part Of Me." The former #1 song holds at #8 for the second week in its seventh week on the chart. It has been in the top 10 the entire time. Digital sales rank: #10 (122K). 9. One Direction, "What Makes You Beautiful." The song jumps from #11 to #9 in its seventh week on the chart. This is the boy band's first top 10 hit. The song hit #1 in the U.K. in September. Digital sales rank: #5 (199K). 10. Carly Rae Jepsen, "Call Me Maybe." The song jumps from #18 to #10 in its sixth week on the chart. This is Jepsen's first top 10 hit. Digital sales rank: #7 (182K). Three songs drop out of the top 10 this week: Adele's "Set Fire To The Rain" (from #6), "Take Care" by Drake featuring Rihanna (from #9) and "Turn Me On" by David Guetta featuring Nicki Minaj (from #10). This is only the fourth time in the past year that Adele hasn't had a hit in the top 10. The three previous weeks occurred in August when there was a brief lull between "Rolling In The Deep" and "Someone Like You." It was one year ago this week that "Rolling In The Deep" broke into the top 10. Incidentally, "Rolling In The Deep" may log its 65th week on the Hot 100 this week, a tally equaled by only three other hits in the chart's nearly 54-year history. Jason Mraz's "I'm Yours" leads the pack with 76 weeks, followed by LeAnn Rimes' "How Do I Live" (69 weeks) and Jewel's "You Were Meant For Me"/"Foolish Games" (also 65 weeks). Chris Brown's "Turn Up The Music" enters the U.K. chart at #1 this week. It's Brown's first #1 in that country. The song has climbed as high as #10 on the Hot 100. Taylor Swift's "Ours" tops the 1 million mark in digital sales this week. It's Swift's 14th million-seller. That's more than any other country artist in digital history. In fact, it's as many as the next two most prolific country hit-makers combined. Carrie Underwood is second with eight digital million-sellers. The Zac Brown Band is third with six. "The Way I Are," the 2007 smash by Timbaland featuring Keri Hilson, tops the 3 million mark in digital sales this week. It's Timbaland's second biggest digital hit, following "Apologize" (featuring OneRepublic), which has sold 5,331,000 copies. Hilson's subsequent solo hit, "Knock You Down" (featuring Kanye West and Ne-Yo) has sold 2,243,000 copies. Here are other songs that are in line to debut on this week's Hot 100: "I Don't Really Care" by Waka Flocka Flame featuring Trey Songz, Trey Songz' "Heart Attack," Pitbull's "Back In Time," Sean Paul's "She Doesn't Mind" and Katy Perry's "Wide Awake." Note: I'll have much more to add after the full chart is posted later today, but I wanted to get this news to you while it's hot. Link
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Post by xxzion72xx on Apr 4, 2012 19:14:46 GMT -5
Im glad too see WE ARE YOUNG hold on , i remember in the 90s, all record companys waited to get the highest radio airplay and then release the song for sale to get a high debut on the hot 100..for news and promo for an album...the game is still played today..only thing is , it just changes.
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Post by damazz09 on Apr 4, 2012 19:26:41 GMT -5
To add to your point about streaming vs. sales, I think sales has the potentially to be incredibly misleading as well. If I buy a song the first day it comes out, I'm not going to buy it again. Therefore, I've said my piece and it's done. If I stream a song the first day it comes out, and I like it. I'll stream it again. Multiple times over the course of the coming days, weeks and maybe months. A song's popularity is based on more than how well it sells but how well it stays in the mindset of the public. I'll give a mostly unrealistic but still technically possible hypothetical situation here. If a song comes out and sells 5 million copies in its first day, it'll be #1 that week no doubt. But no one else buys it after that because everyone that would have gotten it already did. The song goes from #1 to #80 because the only thing keeping it afloat is its growing radio airplay. But everyone that bought the song LOVES it and listens to it daily. Is the song actually the 80th most popular song that week? Not at all. I realize that Billboard's goal is to provide insight on the most played and sold singles are rather than simply the most "popular" but if they want to move toward the more popular method, streaming is the way to go. Hm. I think sales would be misleading in that case if I'm reading this right. I think it would be more accurate if it showed how many times you listened to a song than buy it. I'm not a fan of the discrepancy between radio and sales, where radio allows for repeated listeners but sales account for a one time buy. In all honesty, I think that billboard would have perfected the chart if they were able to track how many times a buyer listens to their song after they buy it. Then, all three: radio, ODS, and sales would be on the same page of if the chart counts repeated plays or not. I don't think it's fair that if I buy a song on Itunes, I'm only counted for one hit for the entire chart run. However, I'm counted for multiple times everytime I hear a song in a given week.
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Post by Acid Eyes on Apr 4, 2012 20:07:52 GMT -5
Got home a little while ago.
Not gonna lie, my mind is blown by this development. Never saw this coming.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2012 20:10:47 GMT -5
Eli Young Band's "Even If It Breaks Your Heart" jumps from #82 to #73 in its third week…"Leave You Alone" by Young Jeezy featuring Ne-Yo jumps from #88 to #76 in its third week…Sean Paul's "She Doesn't Mind" opens at #78. The song is vying to become Paul's ninth top 10 hit. It's from Paul's upcoming fifth studio album, Tomahawk Technique. Pitbull's "Back In Time," from the upcoming movie Men In Black 3, opens at #79. It's vying to become his eighth top 10 hit. Will Smith's "Men In Black," from the original 1997 movie, spent four weeks at #1 on the Hot 100 Airplay chart. Men In Black 3 is due May 25. Smith and Tommy Lee Jones reprise their roles from the 1997 movie and 2002 sequel. Nicole Scherzinger plays Lily Poison, an antagonist. Madonna's former top 10 hit "Give Me All Your Luvin'" (featuring Nicki Minaj and M.I.A.) re-enters the chart at #87…"Crew Love" by Drake featuring The Weeknd jumps from #100 to #88 in its second week…It's not every day that a Brazilian artist enters the chart with a song that was written in Portuguese, but that's what we have with Michel Telo's p"Ai Se Eu Te Pego," which opens at #95. (The title means "Oh, If I Catch You.") The song has already been a hit across Europe and Latin America. "The Way I Are," the 2007 smash by Timbaland featuring Keri Hilson, tops the 3 million mark in digital sales this week. It's Timbaland's second biggest digital hit, following "Apologize" (featuring OneRepublic), which has sold 5,331,000 copies. Hilson's subsequent solo hit, "Knock You Down" (featuring Kanye West and Ne-Yo) has sold 2,243,000 copies. Taylor Swift's "Ours" tops the 1 million mark in digital sales this week. It's Swift's 14th million-seller. That's more than any other country artist in digital history. In fact, it's as many as the next two most prolific country hit-makers combined. Carrie Underwood is second with eight digital million-sellers. The Zac Brown Band is third with six.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2012 20:12:52 GMT -5
The first half of that:
Three songs drop out of the top 10 this week. Adele's "Set Fire To The Rain" drops from #6 to #12, "Take Care" by Drake featuring Rihanna drops from #9 to #11 and "Turn Me On" by David Guetta featuring Nicki Minaj drops from #10 to #13.
This is only the fourth time in the past year that Adele hasn't had a hit in the top 10. The three previous weeks occurred in August when there was a brief lull between "Rolling In The Deep" and "Someone Like You." It was one year ago this week that "Rolling In The Deep" broke into the top 10.
Calvin Harris' "Feel So Close" jumps from #15 to #14 in its eighth week…B.o.B.'s "So Good" jumps from #27 to #23 in its sixth week. The song has climbed as high as #11…Chris Brown's "Turn Up The Music" drops from #25 to #27 in its seventh week. The song peaked at #10. The song has fared better in the U.K., where it enters the chart at #1 this week. It's Brown's first #1 in that country.
Usher's "Climax" leaps from #40 to #29 in its sixth week…"Birthday Cake," Rihanna's reunion hit with Chris Brown, jumps from #34 to #30 in its sixth week on the Hot 100…Karmin's "Brokenhearted" leaps from #52 to #33 in its fourth week.
Adele's "Rumour Has It" jumps from #44 to #35 (its highest ranking to date) in its 16th week. I have more good news for Adele: "Rolling In The Deep" logs its 65th week on the Hot 100 this week, a tally equaled by only three other hits in the chart's nearly 54-year history. Jason Mraz's "I'm Yours" leads the pack with 76 weeks, followed by LeAnn Rimes' "How Do I Live" (69 weeks) and Jewel's "You Were Meant For Me"/"Foolish Games" (also 65 weeks).
Two country crossover hits jump into the top 40 in the wake of the Academy of Country Music Awards show. Eric Church's "Springsteen" jumps from #46 to #38 in its fifth week. Luke Bryan's "Drunk On You" leaps from #60 to #39 in its fifth week.
"I Don't Really Care" by Waka Flocka Flame featuring Trey Songz is the week's second highest new entry, after "Boyfriend." The song, which bows at #64, is the second chart hit from Waka Flocka Flame's forthcoming second solo album, Triple F Life: Friends, Fans And Family…Songz has a hit of his own, "Heart Attack," right on its heels at #65. The song is from Songz's upcoming fifth studio album, Chapter 5… Songz has a third song on the chart: "Sex Ain't Better Than Love," which jumps from #91 to #80 in its fourth week. The song is from his recent EP Inevitable.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2012 20:14:32 GMT -5
I chose not to repost that since most of it was just a couple posts up
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Apr 4, 2012 20:17:33 GMT -5
To add to your point about streaming vs. sales, I think sales has the potentially to be incredibly misleading as well. If I buy a song the first day it comes out, I'm not going to buy it again. Therefore, I've said my piece and it's done. If I stream a song the first day it comes out, and I like it. I'll stream it again. Multiple times over the course of the coming days, weeks and maybe months. A song's popularity is based on more than how well it sells but how well it stays in the mindset of the public. I'll give a mostly unrealistic but still technically possible hypothetical situation here. If a song comes out and sells 5 million copies in its first day, it'll be #1 that week no doubt. But no one else buys it after that because everyone that would have gotten it already did. The song goes from #1 to #80 because the only thing keeping it afloat is its growing radio airplay. But everyone that bought the song LOVES it and listens to it daily. Is the song actually the 80th most popular song that week? Not at all. I realize that Billboard's goal is to provide insight on the most played and sold singles are rather than simply the most "popular" but if they want to move toward the more popular method, streaming is the way to go. Hm. I think sales would be misleading in that case if I'm reading this right. I think it would be more accurate if it showed how many times you listened to a song than buy it. I'm not a fan of the discrepancy between radio and sales, where radio allows for repeated listeners but sales account for a one time buy. In all honesty, I think that billboard would have perfected the chart if they were able to track how many times a buyer listens to their song after they buy it. Then, all three: radio, ODS, and sales would be on the same page of if the chart counts repeated plays or not. I don't think it's fair that if I buy a song on Itunes, I'm only counted for one hit for the entire chart run. However, I'm counted for multiple times everytime I hear a song in a given week. The only flaw is that some people have different listening habits. A songlife for me tends to be about 40 plays for the average song before I essentially remove it from my playlists. More than that if I love the song or don't get sick of it but even then, only songs I REALLY love get anywhere near 80 plays or more and that's in the course of a year. Some people, however, can listen to a new song a hundred times in a week and be okay with that. So I would say if plays were to be counted, it would be on a day-by-day or week-by-week basis. My play counts if I play it at least once in the tracking period.
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Apr 4, 2012 20:57:30 GMT -5
Billboard needs competition. I just hate that they were allowed to by radio and records. Every other week a new chart change.
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Post by icefire9 on Apr 4, 2012 20:58:46 GMT -5
I don't think billboard would count plays by people who buy songs even if they could. The Hot 100 represents what makes money, it doesn't really matter how many times somebody plays a song once they buy it (at least in terms of profit).
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Post by Honeymoon on Apr 4, 2012 20:59:28 GMT -5
I'm sure they'll keep playing around with the formula. I don't think they're trying to put anyone at a disadvantage, although I do agree streaming should count for less.
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Apr 4, 2012 21:03:25 GMT -5
I'm trying to figure out how much 1.1m streams came out to. Billboard operates like a black box and they need accountability. They can make or break someone's career. I'm still trying to wrap my head around how a million streams was enough to keep fun at #1. Again people wouldn't be as upset if billboard didn't operate like a black box. Billboard needs to become a sales only chart if they are going to change their formula every week absent adequate disclosure about the formula.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Apr 4, 2012 21:10:14 GMT -5
"Give Me All Your Luvin' " re-enters the chart? Did not see that coming. It breaks out of that five-weeks-on-the-chart club for top 10 hits.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2012 21:13:19 GMT -5
Yay at POM spending a 7th week in the top 10 :) And nice that Wide Awake makes a debut on the hot 100(although it doesn't say where). Also lovely to see Karmin break top 40 :)
And amazing for Carly Rae! It's been years since she was on Canadian Idol! Who would have thought in 2012 she'd have a top 10 on the Hot 100?
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Post by HolidayGuy on Apr 4, 2012 21:22:11 GMT -5
Where does it say that "Wide Awake" entered? Paul earlier had written that it was one of the contenders, but I don't see it in his current write-up.
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Apr 4, 2012 21:24:36 GMT -5
"Give Me All Your Luvin' " re-enters the chart? Did not see that coming. It breaks out of that five-weeks-on-the-chart club for top 10 hits. i bet streaming. ;)
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Apr 4, 2012 21:25:03 GMT -5
Some would argue that a record getting out sold by 100k should not be #1 on any level. Streaming counts for way too much. Billboard is trying to force record companies to get on these streaming services when the record company simply wants to sell actual records. I think billboards handling of chart changes and things has gotten worse. Again they should've waited until the end of the year for all these changes and announced it before hand.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2012 21:25:16 GMT -5
Where does it say that "Wide Awake" entered? Paul earlier had written that it was one of the contenders, but I don't see it in his current write-up. Here are other songs that are in line to debut on this week's Hot 100: "I Don't Really Care" by Waka Flocka Flame featuring Trey Songz, Trey Songz' "Heart Attack," Pitbull's "Back In Time," Sean Paul's "She Doesn't Mind" and Katy Perry's "Wide Awake." He said it was "in line" but maybe it didn't...
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Post by leoapp on Apr 4, 2012 21:32:36 GMT -5
With this new rule, Part Of Me could be the last #1 debut in years
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Post by icefire9 on Apr 4, 2012 21:33:15 GMT -5
So does that mean its in danger of dropping out? I'm wondering why they're using this vauge language.
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Post by jebsib on Apr 4, 2012 21:33:47 GMT -5
No one ever knew their chart methodology until the 1990s when they lifted the curtain on ratios, piece-counts, impressions, etc in their chart columns. Hell, most people thought the Hot 100 was sales-based only in the early 70s when Casey Kasem would announce it as such. So us not knowing their exact formula is nothing that new. In fact, as a professional business, why do we need to know? Mostly because it helps us forecast our weekly hobby. I'm sure that key members of the music industry have vetted this new methodology and are satisfied with it.
BB can't win. First they're too late adopting all formats into the Hot 100, then they're too late integrating airplay only songs, now - in the face of an industry changing every year with new technologies - they've 'got the weighting of streaming wrong'. I'm sure the heads of Columbia, RCA or whatever major label is cool with all of this...
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Post by allow that on Apr 4, 2012 21:43:38 GMT -5
With this new rule, Part Of Me could be the last #1 debut in years No. It just means labels will have to make streaming available early on if they want their artists to debut at #1.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Apr 4, 2012 21:47:54 GMT -5
Mark my words, Justin Bieber will have a #1 pop hit from this new album!
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Post by suth on Apr 4, 2012 22:12:31 GMT -5
I'm sure there will be plenty of #1 debuts even with the streaming policy. The difference this week was that WAY's sales were still huge (just not as massive as Bieber's).
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2012 22:18:19 GMT -5
Bieber losing out this week is not the end of anything
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2012 22:33:18 GMT -5
With this new rule, Part Of Me could be the last #1 debut in years Good. The Billboard Hot 100 managed to exist for almost 40 years without a single song debuting at #1, I think it can go a while longer without another one.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2012 22:42:55 GMT -5
No one ever knew their chart methodology until the 1990s when they lifted the curtain on ratios, piece-counts, impressions, etc in their chart columns. Hell, most people thought the Hot 100 was sales-based only in the early 70s when Casey Kasem would announce it as such. So us not knowing their exact formula is nothing that new. In fact, as a professional business, why do we need to know? Mostly because it helps us forecast our weekly hobby. I'm sure that key members of the music industry have vetted this new methodology and are satisfied with it. BB can't win. First they're too late adopting all formats into the Hot 100, then they're too late integrating airplay only songs, now - in the face of an industry changing every year with new technologies - they've 'got the weighting of streaming wrong'. I'm sure the heads of Columbia, RCA or whatever major label is cool with all of this... LOL I can still remember when finding out what was the #1 song on the Hot 100 consisted of waiting until Tuesday morning (and sometimes longer), the WEEK of the chart and going down to the news/magazine store in the town where I grew up, and flipping through the magazine, finding the Hot 100 chart and looking at the top of it. Long before computerized point of sale, airplay impressions and streaming statistics ever came into effect. And I had to look as quickly as I could because the shop owner would start giving me funny looks if I took too long looking through the magazine. You see it was too expensive for me to buy at the time. ;) I can't even imagine how some of the younger chart watchers we have now would react if they had to wait THAT long to find out what was on the new Billboard charts.
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Apr 4, 2012 23:00:01 GMT -5
No one ever knew their chart methodology until the 1990s when they lifted the curtain on ratios, piece-counts, impressions, etc in their chart columns. Hell, most people thought the Hot 100 was sales-based only in the early 70s when Casey Kasem would announce it as such. So us not knowing their exact formula is nothing that new. In fact, as a professional business, why do we need to know? Mostly because it helps us forecast our weekly hobby. I'm sure that key members of the music industry have vetted this new methodology and are satisfied with it. BB can't win. First they're too late adopting all formats into the Hot 100, then they're too late integrating airplay only songs, now - in the face of an industry changing every year with new technologies - they've 'got the weighting of streaming wrong'. I'm sure the heads of Columbia, RCA or whatever major label is cool with all of this... I wouldn't assume anything. It feels like on demand songs have as much influence as AirPlay and sales do. For 1.18m in streams to amount to 90k in sales seems like way too much IMO. I don't disagree with including it. I agree billboard was way too late. However I should not get the announcement of a chart change after it has happened. It should be before. Again it's about proper disclosure and billboard does have a monopoly on the music chart scene. Disclosure protects them from any fall out from perceived chart manipulation when so many people's careers are tied to billboard charts.
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kml567
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Post by kml567 on Apr 5, 2012 0:01:20 GMT -5
According to Billboard article, they changed the sales/airplay ratio. It's no longer 100k sales = 100 mil AI. It's probably something like this now: 100k sales = 70 mil AI (instead of 100 mil AI) "Additionally, the Hot 100's sales/airplay ratio has been adjusted to both accommodate the influx of additional streaming services to the chart's data pool and to slightly lessen the influence of sales, as the volume of digital downloads had increased exponentially since the chart's last formula modification in 2007." www.billboard.biz/bbbiz/industry/record-labels/fun-remains-atop-revised-hot-100-1006455552.storyIt's possible streaming doesn't count that much. It's sales counting less (relative to airplay) that hurt Bieber the most. Guess we won't know for sure unless we mass e-mail Billboard about the new formula!
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