LADY GAGA - ARTPOP era - restarting April 2014!

[August]

All the Stans in the ATRL thread on the album are freaked about the sales...

[Elusive Chanteuse]

Nov 13, 2013 19:34:48 GMT -5 @drag27 said:

I just bought the deluxe copy and managed to find this poster as well :

I have that poster!!!

It's gorgeous.

[nightshade]

As a major stan, I'm not worried about sales at all. Things will come full circle. This is only the beginning.

ARTPOP will slay.

[poplife]

The CD is on sale pretty much everywhere, so I'm not freaking out about the drop to #2 on iTunes. Plus SNL is coming up this weekend.

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Yikes. I didn't expect it to be that low at all.

I could see this going Platinum, but not too far beyond that. That is, unless she has some stroke-of-luck smash. After 'Do What U Want', I don't see anything except 'Gypsy' as single material; and even that doesn't sound like that big of a hit to me.

Nov 13, 2013 10:30:04 GMT -5 Oprah said:

I'm probably alone on this but I live for Donatella. s**t's a bop and the lyrics make me lol.

IM BLONDE
IM SKINNY
IM RICH
AND IM A LIL BIT OF A BITCH

...so yes I actually love it 2. 

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The meltdowns are absolutely ridiculous, some people need to re-evaluate on what they think good sales are nowadays. This is in the upper range of what female pop artists this year have debuted with. Applause, although a hit, is her least successful lead single, and she hasn't been promoting nearly as much as she used to. I was hoping for more, but 250k-275k isn't bad at all.

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Nov 13, 2013 20:06:16 GMT -5 @ihavemcpheever said:

The meltdowns are absolutely ridiculous, some people need to re-evaluate on what they think good sales are nowadays. This is in the upper range of what female pop artists this year have debuted with. Applause, although a hit, is her least successful lead single, and she hasn't been promoting nearly as much as she used to. I was hoping for more, but 250k-275k isn't bad at all.

Her promo will be spread out for the next few weeks and with an appealing $7 Target Black Friday Sale Price, it'll definitely get help her sales in the long run. I'm hoping for at least 800k by the end of the year.

[The Upper Hand]

Nov 13, 2013 18:26:12 GMT -5 die Lotterie said:

Nov 13, 2013 18:16:29 GMT -5 Rocky said:

I think that I could be fine, if I could have a flop album tonight.

No, really. Calm down. :)

What the f**k is that gif even supposed to imply lol.

lol

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Nov 13, 2013 20:06:16 GMT -5 @ihavemcpheever said:

The meltdowns are absolutely ridiculous, some people need to re-evaluate on what they think good sales are nowadays. This is in the upper range of what female pop artists this year have debuted with. Applause, although a hit, is her least successful lead single, and she hasn't been promoting nearly as much as she used to. I was hoping for more, but 250k-275k isn't bad at all.

You can't really compare her to the rest though. Going from a one million debut to a little over a fourth of that isn't a good look on her. 

Of course decline is to be expected, but you have to look at the factors that caused that and what it means for her. Either way, that big of a drop cannot be good. I agree that some of the meltdowns (off-site) are a bit extreme— it's not Warrior bad— but it's not like these are particularly strong sales for her either.

[Ivy Leegue™]

Sales don't matter. Look at M.I.A. Still the baddest bitch. Oh…and MANiCURE? Single please. Song is easily one of her best, P-P-P-Poker face stutter and all. ALL of that song, every second.

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Nov 13, 2013 20:25:51 GMT -5 @touch said:

Nov 13, 2013 20:06:16 GMT -5 @ihavemcpheever said:

The meltdowns are absolutely ridiculous, some people need to re-evaluate on what they think good sales are nowadays. This is in the upper range of what female pop artists this year have debuted with. Applause, although a hit, is her least successful lead single, and she hasn't been promoting nearly as much as she used to. I was hoping for more, but 250k-275k isn't bad at all.

You can't really compare her to the rest though. Going from a one million debut to a little over a fourth of that isn't a good look on her. 

Of course decline is to be expected, but you have to look at the factors that caused that and what it means for her. Either way, that big of a drop cannot be good. I agree that some of the meltdowns (off-site) are a bit extreme— it's not Warrior bad— but it's not like these are particularly strong sales for her either.

They're not strong sales but they aren't bad at all. And like someone said, the promo for this era is much more spread out….so far, she hasn't done a ton and Applause isn't THAT big of a hit. Yeah the drop doesn't look good, but its ridiculous how people are acting like her career is over haha.

[die Lotterie]

Nov 13, 2013 20:13:09 GMT -5 The Upper Hand said:

Nov 13, 2013 18:26:12 GMT -5 die Lotterie said:

What the f**k is that gif even supposed to imply lol.

lol

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

I think what's working against her now is that because she put so much effort into being visual and promoting her last album, plus getting attention from nearly every public appearance she's made for the last 4 years, people automatically associate her with being shocking. Even if it's something tame (by her standards), people see that as her attempting to be shocking. Even if she's not trying to be (and I honestly don't think she has been trying to be for the most part during anything this era so far), people link her to that and, as has been mentioned for quite some time now, people are becoming tired of that.

So she's at a point where anything and everything she does will be linked to her attempting to be shocking even if it's an honest-to-goodness attempt to be anything but.

I said to Patty4President the day before yesterday that after listening to this album, I'm ready for her to move on from the EDM sound that she's been working with for all of her albums. Gypsy seems to have the same style of deliver that songs like You And I had, that sort of classic-rock influence that I think she could pull off. I'd like to see her go toward a more theatrical-rock direction while still keeping the beats (to transition with but to also keep her sounding modern and fresh). It would also legitimize her as well.

While I am completely against the idea of her toning down her image or "becoming normal", to the point where the mere suggestion is something I detest completely because of what she has stood for so far in her career, I would like to see her to a genuine musical performance with just her and her piano with a simple outfit. It doesn't have to be a conventional outfit but something simple, maybe not make-up, whatever, and a clear-cut piano-only performance.

However, the issue I have with most of her piano-only performances is that she tends to drag out the song she's singing more than it needs to be. Dope (when it was I Wanna Be With You) was incredibly, unnecessary in parts, and when she did that performance of Gypsy last month, it too seemed too drawn out. Her piano-only performances of Paparazzi were always great so if she can do that with one of her newer songs at the Grammys, that'd be amazing.

Otherwise, the criticism for her seems to be the highest it's ever been even when she has toned down her image a LOT since BTW so I think right now she's just an easy target and tbh, there isn't really much she's going to be able to do to curb that unfortunately. It sucks, especially considering I don't think she deserves it as a person based on how she has portrayed herself so far.
I think it speaks more about how awful people are (based on comments I read anytime something about her shows up in the Huffington Post or on a Facebook post) rather than how awful she is.

[Elusive Chanteuse]

--------- 77 LADY GAGA Gypsy 85 0 85 0.742
--------- 100 LADY GAGA MANiCURE 60 0 60 0.484
--------- 103 LADY GAGA Sexxx Dreams 58 0 58 0.472
--------- 152 LADY GAGA G.U.Y. 26 0 26 0.258

Radio is obviously gunning for Gypsy to be the next single. I'm a little surprised to see G.U.Y. with the least spins but it should be the 4th single anyways. MANiCURE is rightfully above Sexxx Dreams and should be the 5th and final single of the era.

[Love Plastic Love]

I am avoiding the meltdowns. The sales are much lower than expected and I am sure everyone will be screaming flop. It is sort of sad to see how far she has dropped from when she commanded over a million in sales. However, the cd is quality and ultimately that is what matters more to me. I know that is what every fan says, but if you look at my track record I genuinely do love a LOT of people who are floppier than Gaga lol or who don't even make the top 10 anymore. I tend to like abrasive artists who go against what would be expected of good little pop stars so it has honestly been stranger actually liking someone who was #1 as opposed to distant 3rd or even worse. I also don't think it is a lost cause. I see no reason that DWUW won't be a hit and possibly Gypsy as well. They will have steady promo through the end of the year. In the end, I can see it selling over a million which is pretty typical for a hit pop cd nowadays.

[SPRΞΞ]

Nov 13, 2013 21:26:33 GMT -5 Elusive Chanteuse said:

--------- 77 LADY GAGA Gypsy 85 0 85 0.742
--------- 100 LADY GAGA MANiCURE 60 0 60 0.484
--------- 103 LADY GAGA Sexxx Dreams 58 0 58 0.472
--------- 152 LADY GAGA G.U.Y. 26 0 26 0.258

Radio is obviously gunning for Gypsy to be the next single. I'm a little surprised to see G.U.Y. with the least spins but it should be the 4th single anyways. MANiCURE is rightfully above Sexxx Dreams and should be the 5th and final single of the era.

lol, radio isn't gunning for anything. Those are the songs that z100 played (or was told to play) on the album release day. It was a radio blitz.

[NeRD]

Her stans right now though......


I think she's going to be fine. Yeah those predictions are shocking and pretty disappointing, but Gaga promotes the hell out of her shit, and she has some good fucking songs on this album, that can be great fucking singles. I'm just curious on how her team will approach this.

[SPRΞΞ]

I wonder how much the album leaking 9 days in advance hurt things?

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Nov 13, 2013 22:16:57 GMT -5 SPRΞΞ said:

Nov 13, 2013 21:26:33 GMT -5 Elusive Chanteuse said:

--------- 77 LADY GAGA Gypsy 85 0 85 0.742
--------- 100 LADY GAGA MANiCURE 60 0 60 0.484
--------- 103 LADY GAGA Sexxx Dreams 58 0 58 0.472
--------- 152 LADY GAGA G.U.Y. 26 0 26 0.258

Radio is obviously gunning for Gypsy to be the next single. I'm a little surprised to see G.U.Y. with the least spins but it should be the 4th single anyways. MANiCURE is rightfully above Sexxx Dreams and should be the 5th and final single of the era.

lol, radio isn't gunning for anything. Those are the songs that z100 played (or was told to play) on the album release day. It was a radio blitz.

How many z100s are there?

[Honeymoon]

Most albums leak a week or so ahead of time, though...

[Glove Slap]

Nov 13, 2013 21:13:55 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

Otherwise, the criticism for her seems to be the highest it's ever been even when she has toned down her image a LOT since BTW so I think right now she's just an easy target and to be honest, there isn't really much she's going to be able to do to curb that unfortunately. It sucks, especially considering I don't think she deserves it as a person based on how she has portrayed herself so far.

Considering how she went as far to say that she doesn't relate to her contemporaries and relates more to iconic acts such as Madonna and Elton John when she first exploded, and how she explicitly keeps referring to herself as someone who is superior to making music for the charts, I'd say she deserves whatever criticism she's getting now. People are finally calling her out for her bs. It just wouldn't seem so harsh if they had done it 3-4 years ago instead of endlessly praising her.

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

She's never struck me as a mean-spirited person. In fact, the meanest I've ever heard Gaga speak was that Howard Stern interview from earlier this week.

Of course I'm not the best at detecting shade so maybe she's really got at throwing it and you happened to pick up on it and interpret it the way you did?

[SPRΞΞ]

Nov 13, 2013 22:49:52 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

Nov 13, 2013 22:16:57 GMT -5 SPRΞΞ said:

lol, radio isn't gunning for anything. Those are the songs that z100 played (or was told to play) on the album release day. It was a radio blitz.

How many z100s are there?

There are a couple actually.

But besides, you and i both know there was some sort of radio deal going on for album release day. Why would there not be? I have z100 bookmarked and it was literally a block of Gaga songs played all day.

I'm not being negative about it, I'm just saying its clear those songs were chosen, and whether or not they were played on multiple CC stations or not is, I guess, up for debate, because it wasn't made public. But what I saw is what I saw. And it seemed like a deal, obviously. And there is nothing wrong with that. But to say "radio is gunning for something" is just wrong.

[Glove Slap]

I don't think it was mean spirited, but she was coming across as incredibly full of herself for years. It's not the way one should act in a public setting, especially if they can't take harsh criticism in return.

Being confident and self-superiority are two different things, and she was usually in the latter group. When you make that decision, you shouldn't expect sympathy.

[Glove Slap]

I don't think it was mean spirited, but she was coming across as incredibly full of herself for years. It's not the way one should act in a public setting, especially if they can't take harsh criticism in return.

Being confident and self-superiority are two different things, and she was usually in the latter group. When you make that decision, you shouldn't expect sympathy.

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Nov 13, 2013 23:00:55 GMT -5 SPRΞΞ said:

Nov 13, 2013 22:49:52 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

How many z100s are there?

There are a couple actually.

But besides, you and i both know there was some sort of radio deal going on for album release day. Why would there not be? I have z100 bookmarked and it was literally a block of Gaga songs played all day.

I'm not being negative about it, I'm just saying its clear those songs were chosen, and whether or not they were played on multiple CC stations or not is, I guess, up for debate, because it wasn't made public. But what I saw is what I saw. And it seemed like a deal, obviously. And there is nothing wrong with that. But to say "radio is gunning for i something" is just wrong.

I didn't know how many z100s there are.

And I don't know if there was some sort of a radio deal going on. Is it possible that maybe the z100s decided to spin those songs themselves? In Canada, the CHUM stations decide their own singles for artists sometimes and then the stations they own across the country all add that song.

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Nov 13, 2013 23:02:23 GMT -5 Glove Slap said:

Being confident and self-superiority are two different things, and she was usually in the latter group. When you make that decision, you shouldn't expect sympathy.

Is that perspective though? I've honestly never felt that she came across as being superior to others. Maybe I didn't hear those interviews that you did (I don't tend to watch many interviews. I prefer to read them.) but I've always felt she came across as being super confident and proud of her work but never superior.

So many it's our own perspective and how we already think about her that influences how she comes across?

[nightshade]

I loved her performances of Gypsy in Berlin and the Howard Stern show.
I am kind of wanting Gypsy to be the next single. I'm afraid if she does Venus next it'll only hurt the rest of the era.

[hypable]

billboard estimates about 300,000 to 350,000 www.billboard.com/articles/news/5785934/lady-gaga-artpop-billboard-200-chart-projection

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

That article says Billboard projects 260k?