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Post by SPRΞΞ on Nov 19, 2013 14:43:41 GMT -5
The media backlash is unbelievable. I think the album title has a lot to do with it honestly.
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Post by QAF on Nov 19, 2013 14:57:42 GMT -5
I'm actually embarrassed for her.
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Post by Push The Button on Nov 19, 2013 15:23:51 GMT -5
The media backlash is unbelievable. I think the album title has a lot to do with it honestly. It's her turn for a media sanctioned breakdown. We knew it was coming as soon as her handler was ditched. |
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Nov 19, 2013 15:26:54 GMT -5
Lol @ someone posting fake final HDD numbers on ATRL. That site is hilarious right now.
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Post by Myeahhh. on Nov 19, 2013 15:42:53 GMT -5
What I don't quite get (barring the whole Spotify conversation) is why would they think an App that streams the whole album for free was a good idea?
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Nov 19, 2013 16:22:38 GMT -5
It streams the album for free? I thought it streamed the album if you bought it but if you didn't, it prompted you to buy it?
And how does the album title lend itself to her current media backlash? I don't think her media backlash from the Born This Way era ended, it's just a continuation where everything she does is criticized. That includes her album title but I don't think that title has fuelled anything more than some other title would have. "The Fame", if released now after the fact in her current status, would be criticized just as badly.
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Post by die Lotterie on Nov 19, 2013 16:27:58 GMT -5
Lol @ someone posting fake final HDD numbers on ATRL. That site is hilarious right now. Lol, that HDD is messing with us thread is gold. |
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Nov 19, 2013 16:32:10 GMT -5
I was at a Target today in Buffao, NY.
They have the ArtPop cd priced at $15.99!
Who is going to buy a physical cd for $15.99?
Most new albums are $11.99-$13.99.
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Post by August on Nov 19, 2013 16:41:26 GMT -5
I think a lot of the conspiracy theories and psychological breakdowns and analyses folks are doing around Gaga being on the decline are a bit much. I think it just comes down to the fact that people are over her big old bag of b.s. in terms of her public persona and grand statements. She makes a catchy song, but if I have to listen to her speak one more time about this album being ART and every other line of crap, I may puke. Just sing the songs well and put on a good show on stage and make eye catching videos and maybe folks would not be so quick to walk away
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Nov 19, 2013 16:42:03 GMT -5
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Post by ILLUSION on Nov 19, 2013 16:44:59 GMT -5
Crappy first week sales but at least we got the #1 debut
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Post by die Lotterie on Nov 19, 2013 16:45:11 GMT -5
Hopefully this doesn't drop too much in the next few weeks. She obviously stands a pretty good chance of having a few more strong weeks with Black Friday and holiday sales, I just hope Interscope gets her out there a little more to take advantage of it!
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Nov 19, 2013 16:45:26 GMT -5
I think a lot of the conspiracy theories and psychological breakdowns and analyses folks are doing around Gaga being on the decline are a bit much. I think it just comes down to the fact that people are over her big old bag of b.s. in terms of her public persona and grand statements. She makes a catchy song, but if I have to listen to her speak one more time about this album being ART and every other line of crap, I may puke. Just sing the songs well and put on a good show on stage and make eye catching videos and maybe folks would not be so quick to walk away Sounds like what people said about the Dixie Chicks. "Shut up and sing." Err, no. I like Gaga's elaborate stories. True or not. I dunncurr. She puts on a show every time she's in sight. |
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Nov 19, 2013 16:45:31 GMT -5
Billboard's prediction was literally exactly correct. :o |
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Post by secretchef on Nov 19, 2013 16:48:47 GMT -5
I think a lot of the conspiracy theories and psychological breakdowns and analyses folks are doing around Gaga being on the decline are a bit much. I think it just comes down to the fact that people are over her big old bag of b.s. in terms of her public persona and grand statements. She makes a catchy song, but if I have to listen to her speak one more time about this album being ART and every other line of crap, I may puke. Just sing the songs well and put on a good show on stage and make eye catching videos and maybe folks would not be so quick to walk away Pretty much this. Just make some fun music, let me decide if it's art. Or the album of the decade. Not worried about Gaga, she'll be fine. Every award show will have her regardless of her sales. |
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Post by August on Nov 19, 2013 16:48:56 GMT -5
I think a lot of the conspiracy theories and psychological breakdowns and analyses folks are doing around Gaga being on the decline are a bit much. I think it just comes down to the fact that people are over her big old bag of b.s. in terms of her public persona and grand statements. She makes a catchy song, but if I have to listen to her speak one more time about this album being ART and every other line of crap, I may puke. Just sing the songs well and put on a good show on stage and make eye catching videos and maybe folks would not be so quick to walk away Sounds like what people said about the Dixie Chicks. "Shut up and sing." Err, no. I like Gaga's elaborate stories. True or not. I dunncurr. She puts on a show every time she's in sight. yeah, but you are a mega-fan correct? I think to the general pop music fan or casual Gaga fan it is a bit off-putting. She writes good pop music and is a very talented performer. However, my opinion is that you don't get to tell the public how incredibly wonderful you are, the public tells YOU. At some point, you reach the area of people being over it and saying "shut up already!" |
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Nov 19, 2013 16:49:09 GMT -5
And how does the album title lend itself to her current media backlash? I think the title is just an easy in to bash her for people who want to bring her down. Like, half of the reviews have been like THIS ISN'T ART YOU PROMISED ART IN THE TITLE WHY ISN'T THIS ART OMG GAGA BE SO PRETENTIOUS TALKING ABOUT ART. Like, nevermind that it is a great cd and if it followed Fame Monster everyone would be raving about it- they are just focused on hating that Gaga is "pretentious" so making the entire discussion be about whether the cd is art or not and making the declaration that it isn't art so it is a failed cd. It is annoying, but what can you do? Everyone decided during BTW that Gaga deserved a backlash for being "too pretentious" and that has come to fruition now. It is partially her fault, but it sucks that a lot of people are going to miss out on such a great pop cd just because they think the artist behind it is annoying (unless DWUW and Gypsy catch on, of course). |
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Post by Rocky on Nov 19, 2013 16:51:56 GMT -5
Many of the reviews were about her "personality" and being pretentious totally forgetting about the album. Viva la professional criticism!  |
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Post by jazzyskye10² on Nov 19, 2013 16:52:45 GMT -5
Congrats to Gaga on another # 1. I'm looking forward to her upcoming US promo.  |
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Post by August on Nov 19, 2013 16:54:00 GMT -5
And how does the album title lend itself to her current media backlash? I think the title is just an easy in to bash her for people who want to bring her down. Like, half of the reviews have been like THIS ISN'T ART YOU PROMISED ART IN THE TITLE WHY ISN'T THIS ART OMG GAGA BE SO PRETENTIOUS TALKING ABOUT ART. Like, nevermind that it is a great cd and if it followed Fame Monster everyone would be raving about it- they are just focused on hating that Gaga is "pretentious" so making the entire discussion be about whether the cd is art or not and making the declaration that it isn't art so it is a failed cd. It is annoying, but what can you do? Everyone decided during BTW that Gaga deserved a backlash for being "too pretentious" and that has come to fruition now. It is partially her fault, but it sucks that a lot of people are going to miss out on such a great pop cd just because they think the artist behind it is annoying (unless DWUW and Gypsy catch on, of course). Well she IS pretentious. It really started to show during the promo for BTW. I recall her saying the song BTW was the "new gay anthem." My feelings on it were "you do not get to decide what the new gay anthem is..the gay community finds a song that we identify with and embrace. Not just because you decided we should." For me that was the beginning of the "girl please..." with her. |
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Nov 19, 2013 16:54:10 GMT -5
Many of the reviews were about her "personality" and being pretentious totally forgetting about the album. Viva la professional criticism! I was talking to a friend who said that the same thing happened to Britney for awhile. The same thing also happened to Christina. Sometimes you just get so big and your image overtakes the music. You cannot trust a general music audience or even professional paid critics to focus on the music ever. It is all about how "likable" they find you. It really is better to just shut up and sing and not have opinions ever. |
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Post by Rocky on Nov 19, 2013 16:55:11 GMT -5
Many of the reviews were about her "personality" and being pretentious totally forgetting about the album. Viva la professional criticism! I was talking to a friend who said that the same thing happened to Britney for awhile. The same thing also happened to Christina. Sometimes you just get so big and your image overtakes the music. You cannot trust a general music audience or even professional paid critics to focus on the music ever. It is all about how "likable" they find you. It really is better to just shut up and sing and not have opinions ever. Good idea.  |
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Nov 19, 2013 16:56:20 GMT -5
Well she IS pretentious. It really started to show during the promo for BTW. I recall her saying the song BTW was the "new gay anthem." My feelings on it were "you do not get to decide what the new gay anthem is..the gay community finds a song that we identify with and embrace. Not just because you decided we should." For me that was the beginning of the "girl please..." with her. [/quote] Yeah see I just don't give a shit whether artists are pretentious or not. I think it comes from me loving rock stars and rock music and then, on the flip side, also artists like Madonna and Mariah (some of the biggest divas out there who think VERY highly of themselves lol). If the music is good, I just don't care if the artist is pretentious or arrogant. I don't listen to cds looking for friends or people like me. I look for good music. So, it is hard for me to imagine caring so much about someone who I will never meet's personality and using that to judge their music. |
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Post by August on Nov 19, 2013 16:57:31 GMT -5
Many of the reviews were about her "personality" and being pretentious totally forgetting about the album. Viva la professional criticism! I was talking to a friend who said that the same thing happened to Britney for awhile. The same thing also happened to Christina. Sometimes you just get so big and your image overtakes the music. You cannot trust a general music audience or even professional paid critics to focus on the music ever. It is all about how "likable" they find you. It really is better to just shut up and sing and not have opinions ever. haha...well I will say this, I am a huge Madonna fan (see the avatar)..but even with Madonna I am often thinking "Please shut up and stop acting like you are so much more enlightened that the rest of the world and that everything you say is some big provocative statement. Sing your songs, shake your ass on stage, and fling your hair and I am happy." |
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Post by jazzyskye10² on Nov 19, 2013 16:57:32 GMT -5
I think the title is just an easy in to bash her for people who want to bring her down. Like, half of the reviews have been like THIS ISN'T ART YOU PROMISED ART IN THE TITLE WHY ISN'T THIS ART OMG GAGA BE SO PRETENTIOUS TALKING ABOUT ART. Like, nevermind that it is a great cd and if it followed Fame Monster everyone would be raving about it- they are just focused on hating that Gaga is "pretentious" so making the entire discussion be about whether the cd is art or not and making the declaration that it isn't art so it is a failed cd. It is annoying, but what can you do? Everyone decided during BTW that Gaga deserved a backlash for being "too pretentious" and that has come to fruition now. It is partially her fault, but it sucks that a lot of people are going to miss out on such a great pop cd just because they think the artist behind it is annoying (unless DWUW and Gypsy catch on, of course). Well she IS pretentious. It really started to show during the promo for BTW. I recall her saying the song BTW was the "new gay anthem." My feelings on it were "you do not get to decide what the new gay anthem is..the gay community finds a song that we identify with and embrace. Not just because you decided we should." For me that was the beginning of the "girl please..." with her. Maybe you should have directed your 'girl please' comment towards Elton John, considering it was he who called 'Born This Way' 'the gayest' song he had ever heard and the 'new gay anthem.' |
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Nov 19, 2013 16:57:55 GMT -5
Good idea. [/quote] Good idea if you want to remain a popular pop star right now :( I am pretty mouthy so personally I LOVE when Christina and Gaga and others speak their minds. I like "big" personalities lol. |
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Nov 19, 2013 16:59:59 GMT -5
I was talking to a friend who said that the same thing happened to Britney for awhile. The same thing also happened to Christina. Sometimes you just get so big and your image overtakes the music. You cannot trust a general music audience or even professional paid critics to focus on the music ever. It is all about how "likable" they find you. It really is better to just shut up and sing and not have opinions ever. haha...well I will say this, I am a huge Madonna fan (see the avatar)..but even with Madonna I am often thinking "Please shut up and stop acting like you are so much more enlightened that the rest of the world and that everything you say is some big provocative statement. Sing your songs, shake your ass on stage, and fling your hair and I am happy." Ha ha yeah can see that. I honestly have started ignoring a lot of interviews/comments from artists. I think that also helps me. Like, when Rihanna started getting on my nerves I stopped going into her posts and unfollowed her on twitter. Then, I could listen to her music and not care what type of person she is. I started doing that with Gaga too and that is probably why she doesn't annoy me that much. |
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Post by Rocky on Nov 19, 2013 17:00:38 GMT -5
Good idea. Good idea if you want to remain a popular pop star right now :( I am pretty mouthy so personally I LOVE when Christina and Gaga and others speak their minds. I like "big" personalities lol. [/quote]Me too. That's why I was always here for both Christina and Stefani. |
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Post by chartfreak on Nov 19, 2013 17:01:41 GMT -5
Sorry, but 260k does not equate to SMASH.
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Post by QAF on Nov 19, 2013 17:16:28 GMT -5
Gaga had it coming. I know some on here say they don't care about the artist's personality but I'm on the other side of the fence. I don't support artists that I don't like. I'm kinda indifferent when it comes to Gaga. She is one big publicity stunt and that is off putting as is the whole "mother monster" "little monsters" thing. I personally would find it embarrassing to be considered a "little monster." I do enjoy some of her music but her persona and stunts make me roll my eyes sometimes.
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