LADY GAGA - ARTPOP era - restarting April 2014!

[dzjx]

Britney in that photo actually resembles Charisma Carpenter. But also unfortunately a man as well.

[Mack]

Feb 2, 2014 17:42:24 GMT -5 dzjx said:

Britney in that photo actually resembles Charisma Carpenter.

That was actually my first thought, too. She looks older than Charisma, though, which is sad considering Charisma is 43 and Britney is 32.

[ILLUSION]

Britney looks terrible and Gaga looks like a drag queen

[ILLUSION]

Latest Billboard poll shows an overwhelming amount of Billboard users want to see Gaga perform at next year's Superbowl. Personally, I hope she waits...

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Feb 3, 2014 16:08:23 GMT -5 ILLUSION said:

Latest Billboard poll shows an overwhelming amount of Billboard users want to see Gaga perform at next year's Superbowl. Personally, I hope she waits...

Me too. Two years ago, maybe, but I think she needs to regain the respect of the audiences she had going into the BTW era - if she can.

[ILLUSION]

Feb 3, 2014 16:17:47 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

Feb 3, 2014 16:08:23 GMT -5 ILLUSION said:

Latest Billboard poll shows an overwhelming amount of Billboard users want to see Gaga perform at next year's Superbowl. Personally, I hope she waits...

Me too. Two years ago, maybe, but I think she needs to regain the respect of the audiences she had going into the BTW era - if she can.

It's not even that for me. I think she is still very highly-regarded. I always saw the Superbowl Halftime Show as a huge feat you reach when you've reached basically "legendary" status, like Madonna didn't play the Superbowl until 2 years ago. But now it seems to be changing. I'd like her to play the Superbowl maybe like 5-10 years from now or so.

Honestly, I think that out of all the "current" stars, Rihanna should get it because she's been around the longest and has the most hits.

BUT I have to say, I think her performance, when she performs, will make at least the Top 5 best Superbowl performances. I know she's going to burn the place to the fucking ground.

[Hussy]

^^ Exactly, i had this idea also that Rihanna should be next year's performer in Super Bowl !!!

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Feb 3, 2014 18:54:26 GMT -5 ILLUSION said:

Feb 3, 2014 16:17:47 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

Me too. Two years ago, maybe, but I think she needs to regain the respect of the audiences she had going into the BTW era - if she can.

It's not even that for me. I think she is still very highly-regarded. I always saw the Superbowl Halftime Show as a huge feat you reach when you've reached basically "legendary" status, like Madonna didn't play the Superbowl until 2 years ago. But now it seems to be changing. I'd like her to play the Superbowl maybe like 5-10 years from now or so.

Honestly, I think that out of all the "current" stars, Rihanna should get it because she's been around the longest and has the most hits.

BUT I have to say, I think her performance, when she performs, will make at least the Top 5 best Superbowl performances. I know she's going to burn the place to the f**king ground.

I think the Superbowl have typically been "legacy artists" or at least names that would draw a huge crowd. On one hand, it was surprising that Bruno Mars was picked this year and even more surprising that the Black Eyed Peas did it a few years ago, but on the other hand, I'm wondering if the organizers are realizing that they have a better chance at drawing in audiences with the halftime show that wouldn't normally tune in to the Superbowl? I think that's why Madonna, Beyonce and Bruno were highlighted. Previously, acts like The Who, Springsteen, Petty, and others performed and I'm thinking they were probably slightly more in line for Superbowl audiences but maybe didn't draw in outside audiences as much.

I also bet the Chili Peppers were added in later to soften the blow that Bruno might have given because he's still a relatively new act. This way, there was something there to satisfy the typical old school halftime fan.

I think Rihanna could do it but definitely not on her own. Maybe a Rihanna/Katy pairing or Rihanna/Shakira or even Rihanna/Eminem.

[getonthebus]

So, if we don't get a single announcement by the end of next week, I would say chances are ARTPOP is being aborted and we're getting new music this Spring. Even if they do announce it in the next week, it's still pretty late to get things in gear.

[Gray.]

So curious about what's in store for this era now... Maybe they're gearing up for the second part and are using one of those tracks for the next single. Idk how this era turned into such a mess.

[divasummer]

Why was this era a big mess besides for no video for "Do What You Want"?

[Keelzit]

Feb 5, 2014 9:07:50 GMT -5 divasummer said:

Why was this era a big mess besides for no video for "Do What You Want"?

Eventhough you're right I think that alone speaks a lot about their inability to make this era a success.

[irice22]

Feb 5, 2014 9:07:50 GMT -5 divasummer said:

Why was this era a big mess besides for no video for "Do What You Want"?

There's also major jumping back and forth between singles, which is likely what's happening right now. They need to pick "Gypsy" and get on with right away. Anything else would further destroy this era.

[ILLUSION]

I think "Pt. 1" of this era is being aborted. If we haven't heard anything by now, I don't think there's a chance. She HAS to be recording ARTPOP Pt. 2 or something because she can't move onto another album this fast....

[QAF]

Was the part 2 always a part of the plan or does it have to do with how badly part 1 has played out?

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

And is there any actual evidence that there is a part 2? It's entirely possible that there won't be another single and she isn't recording new material at the moment, instead focusing on just the tour and using this time to sit in the background. Afterall, the duets album with Tony Bennett is still expected out at the end of the year and at this point in time, it seems she isn't getting the attention in the media and on blogs as it did before the release of Artpop. A gap could work in her favour since there wasn't a huge gap between BTW and AP where she wasn't present in the media other than a few months after her tour was cut short.

[Deleted]

I've been wondering about the whole Part 2 thing too. Is there any confirmation or mention of this anywhere besides fan speculation?

[josh]

She has mentioned it, at least the possibility of it. I feel like she may have mentioned it as early as 2012 or whenever she announced the album title. I think she's mentioned it more recently, around album release, as well. But given how many things she wants to do and never does it's obviously not confirmed. But no, it's not in response to sales or anything; it's been a possibility for quite some time.

[when the pawn...]

If she's taking time to be in the background, that's fine but her year and a half in the background (2012-2013) didn't help matters. She needs to think about, whenever she "comes back," if she actually is going away now, what is going to help her succeed and win back some fans. Number one is good, accessible pop songs.

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

She can have all the good songs she wants but if people are still burned out on her/over her/sick of her/not interested, the songs won't matter.

[ILLUSION]

Feb 5, 2014 18:21:22 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

She can have all the good songs she wants but if people are still burned out on her/over her/sick of her/not interested, the songs won't matter.

I don't think that's an issue. Look at how Rihanna released albums year after year and her songs still went #1.

[josh]

"Do What U Want" by Lady Gaga featuring R. Kelly tops the 1 million mark in digital sales. Gaga is the only artist with two of the top 10 best-selling songs in digital history. "Poker Face" is #7. "Just Dance" (featuring Colby O'Donis) is #9.

music.yahoo.com/blogs/music-news/chart-watch-beyonce-soars-2-224113853.html

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Feb 5, 2014 18:23:15 GMT -5 ILLUSION said:

Feb 5, 2014 18:21:22 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

She can have all the good songs she wants but if people are still burned out on her/over her/sick of her/not interested, the songs won't matter.

I don't think that's an issue. Look at how Rihanna released albums year after year and her songs still went #1.

Gaga overexposure is hardly the same thing as Rihanna overexposure. They're two entirely different celebrities.

[Deleted]

I can't decide whether her stepping out of the spotlight for too long is a good idea. It feels like she's been gone for so long because if the Artpop campaign is over, then she was basically on the scene for 5 or 6 months after an almost 18 month absence.

On the one hand, taking a step out of the limelight could give her a chance to regroup and get back on top but it also runs the risk of people being over her even more. I don't think people didn't respond to Artpop because of overexposure, she'd been gone for basically 2 years. It really felt more like people just weren't buying into her brand anymore.

[Hussy]

Feb 5, 2014 18:23:15 GMT -5 ILLUSION said:

Feb 5, 2014 18:21:22 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

She can have all the good songs she wants but if people are still burned out on her/over her/sick of her/not interested, the songs won't matter.

I don't think that's an issue. Look at how Rihanna released albums year after year and her songs still went #1.

MAX didn't mean the songs and music, he meant that ppl are tired of her persona, style, and image!

Rihanna is a very different case IMO

[when the pawn...]

But I don't think time off is necessarily the issue - people were getting tired of her throughout the BTW era and a year and a half off didn't seem to help matters. I think it's her songs (ARTPOP is my favorite Gaga album but one listen told me it was nowhere as instant as TF or TFM) and her general attitude/persona. It's not clicking at the moment. I certainly don't want a complete overhaul on her image/personality or super-dumb-downed tracks as I'm a massive fan of her's but I think something clearly needs to change.

[nightshade]

She needs a career-makeover stat. Honestly, I'd love a complete blackout like she had promised. Don't tell us you're working on something just get it done and blow everyone away.

[ILLUSION]

Feb 5, 2014 18:44:51 GMT -5 Hussy said:

Feb 5, 2014 18:23:15 GMT -5 ILLUSION said:

I don't think that's an issue. Look at how Rihanna released albums year after year and her songs still went #1.

MAX didn't mean the songs and music, he meant that ppl are tired of her persona, style, and image!

Rihanna is a very different case IMO

Well I don't see why that should bother people so much. She hasn't been so "in your face" like she was in the past...I'd say it's much more toned down now.

[Keelzit]

Sadly, I believe no matter what she does from now on one outside her fanbase will pay attention again. It's the same case with people thinking Brit is still crazy, bald and unable to perform cause really, only her hardcore fans know how far she's come since those days so I guess Gaga needs that Circus moment Brit had; a massive, inoffensive and accessible song that will make people root for her again. No mentions of the troubles of fame and touring, no stage worshipping, no random name-dropping of people only she knows about. Just a simple catchy pop song that still has that Gaga flavor people fell in love with 5 or so years ago. From the songs on ARTPOP, the only ones that come even remotely close are Gypsy and Venus but at this point not even those can save the era.

[Love Plastic Love]

I think that people just really want to hate her this era so that is what they are going to do. She got on a LOT of people's nerves with BTW, but at the time she was still so big that you almost couldn't hate on her or at least hate on her easily. Now, her popularity has dwindled so it is open season and all that pent up hate is coming out over everything. Critics suddenly hate her even though they praised the s**t out of far inferior products from her. All of a sudden random celebrities are taking pot shots at her. The internet has declared her over. It is pretty common with backlashes in general. You are powerful enough to hold against it for the most part until there is a weakness perceived and then everyone who used to kiss your ass decides to rip you to shreds.
I don't agree that songs don't matter and nothing she will do now could be popular. I think Applause proves that and, to a lesser extent even DWUW. As far as major backlashes go, they were both pretty big hits. Compare songs from Bionic, My December, or Blackout and their radio performance to Applause and DWUW*
Applause had a disaster of a rollout, the backlash was huge against it and her, and at first callouts sucked. Then, slowly, it became a genuine hit-genuine airplay hit, sold millions worldwide, callouts improved week after week, and had longevity that surprised even me. Even with all the hate and the disaster rollout people could not deny that it was a catchy pop song. It would have been very easy for that song to peak in the 15-20 mark on pop and collapse. Very easy. The cd is doing poorly by her standards, but could be doing a LOT worse considering the circumstances. Like I said, massive hate-filled backlash with people wanting to see her fail and what might be the worst rollout for a cd I have ever seen. Like, if I had to rank top 10 blundered eras for major artists this would be near the top. Sometimes I literally cannot believe how sloppy, disastrous, poorly timed, and poorly conceived everything about this era has been. And, yet, sales aren't that bad. Imagine where we could be with a cohesive, coherent, more effectively promoted and conceived era?
So, I do think the right song promoted the right way can still equal success for her. She definitely needs an image change though and my God I would take her twitter away from her myself if I could. She has GOT to stop whining and start WORKING. She has whined more on twitter and her website than she has produced VIDEOS and cohesive promo for her cd. I don't care Gaga I don't. Yes, backlashes suck. Yes you are probably getting more hate and s**t than you ever imagined possible. DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT INSTEAD OF BOO HOOING ON THE INTERNET!

By the way, when I said everything about this era has been a disaster note that I do not mean the music and that almost makes this so much harder. I really feel like this is one of her best cds and is loaded with gems that people would have loved if it weren't for that pesky backlash. It sucks that she had the fundamentals right (make a good cd) and I even think it has 4-5 singles, but everything else was literally so off that it is holding the music back.

*Since I am sure someone will get cranky at me saying this, I am a fan of all cds listed, I know the situations were very different, I am not arguing anything beyond just pointing out that backlashy-under-performing eras usually get completely shut out when it comes to airplay and Gaga hasn't.