LADY GAGA - ARTPOP era - restarting April 2014!

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Feb 5, 2014 18:46:30 GMT -5 when the pawn... said:

But I don't think time off is necessarily the issue - people were getting tired of her throughout the BTW era and a year and a half off didn't seem to help matters.

That's because she still remained a constant presence in the public through no work of her own. She was still getting coverage and attention. Now that she's had a taste of not being on top, the media and bloggers aren't interested in bringing her down anymore because she's already down so they've moved on to Miley and Lorde and whoever. That gives Gaga a chance to continue doing what she's doing without all the attention - even if she doesn't like that.

I think an image makeover would be good and I think she can still come up with something very Gaga but done in a way that could be appealing to audiences outside of her core fan base. The key for her is to have some level of consistency, which I think has been lacking when it comes to her image. She's unpredictable but it's in a way where it's messy.

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I remember her saying we would get bonus material as a supplement to the album through the app, not that we'd ever get a two part album. Wasn't 'Tea' supposed to be the first "new" release?

Feb 5, 2014 18:42:35 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

Feb 5, 2014 18:23:15 GMT -5 ILLUSION said:

I don't think that's an issue. Look at how Rihanna released albums year after year and her songs still went #1.

Gaga overexposure is hardly the same thing as Rihanna overexposure. They're two entirely different celebrities.

If overexposure is the problem, then she has herself and her music to blame. The celebrity has nothing to do with it.

And the whole "overexposure" deal makes very little sense to me anyway, since she was gone for almost two years before this release. Let's face it: the material just wasn't what anyone wanted from her.

[Glove Slap]

The fire was always going to subside some amount. You just don't maintain the stratospheric level of appeal and celebrity she had at her peak.

The problem was that neither her nor seemingly anyone on her team understood this a few years ago and they didn't build any sort of contingency plan. She was just assumed to be the biggest and best pop star out there and that it would continue like that. That, combined with her major pretentiousness, especially for the first 3 years of her career, has made the comedown far more harsh than it had to be. When you just annoy people and keep giving them ammo, while simultaneously building yourself up as untouchable, they will strike once the cracks appear, and they will. Ultimately, a very significant fault of the situation that she's in right now lies with her, regardless of whether her fans want to accept it or not.

[August]

Falls from #42 - #49 on the Billboard 200 this week. Not bad considering the impact for the other albums due to Grammy exposure, I expected a bigger tumble as other albums moved up all around her.

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??!!!!!

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[ILLUSION]

Probably a rumor

[Lockheart]

I actually applaud her for being stubborn and sticking with what she wants to do. I mean I know many people think she can be dramatic but she really believes in her art and I think she should go forward with it. It got her this far. I think from her Harpers Bazaar interview that she was so depressed with what has happened with her career last year I think she just gave up, hence I think the reason why DWUW video was not released. I just hope she gets inspired again. I just hope she surrounds herself with people who believe in her, but at the same time I hope she stops blaming others as well. She could have easily turned around this era without all the drama. I'm rooting for her though.

[divasummer]

GaGa's music is somewhat Gimicky except for "Do What You Want" on the cd.
Straight guys and alot of straight girls don't care for her persona as of late. Though a lot of people who don't care for Gaga Liked "Do What You Want".
I think she should put out the song with the rapper's to rhythmic raido and a fun song that doesn't sound to GaGa esque for Top40 and Hot Ac.

[irice22]

They need to get a third single out right away.

[rafaelsalguero]

She make the music video for "Venus" a few months ago, right???

[sbk]

Did anybody post what her former creative director (Matthew Williams, her creative director during TF/TFM) said?

It’s one of those things, it’s just the perfect storm. She had the most amazing team around her, she had at that time: Willow, myself, Nicola, Troy her manager, Laureiann her choreographer. It was just really insane, down to the lighting and stage design, this guy Winky… She just had the best team possible and the music… It was almost not fair, it was like the NBA All-Star team. And then slowly everybody decided to do their own other things... But she was making great music at that time, and through Nicola she was working with the best image makers in the world. At that time, Hedi was designing and we got Hedi to do that album cover, and that was like really huge and respected and the same thing with Nick [Knight] - we got him to do all of the show visuals. And if you start there, like with Nick and Hedi, then you have the gates open to you. So. It’s really unexplainable, it’s just the perfect storm, she had the best of everything. I’m not gonna be ignorant in any way and say that can be recreated for everybody.

This does explain why her style, visuals, looks, aesthetics, performances etc quickly went from expensive and intricate looking and in good taste, to cheap and tasteless once her old team left

[areyoureadytojump]

NBC is using "Manicure" during Olympic coverage. I heard it today.

[85la]

Feb 7, 2014 22:12:23 GMT -5 areyoureadytojump said:

NBC is using "Manicure" during Olympic coverage. I heard it today.

Hah, that's an odd choice.

Anyway, I don't think there is anything wrong with the quality of the album, I actually think it might be her best. I think it has underperformed for two main reasons:

1)Releasing the single the same week as Katy Perry. Perry is clearly the bigger star now, and there was no way Gaga could win in a match-up with her.

2)The debacle over DWUW. It could have gone on to be a decent hit, but not releasing a video and the egotistic online rant might have completely killed this era. I know in the entertainment business there are always conflicts behind the scenes, but ultimately you have to come together and do what's best from a business aspect for the product. I mean, completely not releasing any video, especially when you previously teased screenshots and gave an exact release date, you just don't do that.

I also think the negative publicity surrounding the injury/tour cancellation might have had something to do with it, which sucks though because it wasn't her fault, but unfortunately that's just how it works sometimes.

[SPRΞΞ]

Feb 7, 2014 22:52:08 GMT -5 85la said:

1)Releasing the single the same week as Katy Perry. Perry is clearly the bigger star now, and there was no way Gaga could win in a match-up with her.

that was an interesting time. Roar leaked, but Katy didn't do a thing. She let it leak over the weekend, and it was released on Monday on iTunes as scheduled. Applause was starting to leak, and it was virtually there, as I had had a copy of something, so because it was a week behind schedule, Gaga probably felt a lose-lose scenario if everyone had heard it a week in advance, and THEN going to iTunes the next week. She probably felt her best bet was to rush-release, which did happen. Her timing was off bigtime. She should've realized her stuff would leak, and possibly leak on the worst day of the week.

Applause was certainly hurt by Roar's success. That's just obvious.

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She just need to wait that Beyonce, maybe Shakira or someone finish with their thing
And release next single
Pretending as if all those surfboardts do/ did not exist
Even if one year has passed

[SuperTrouper]

She is the victim of "overselling"... Anyone remember this?

[PopLuva]

I think she lost a lot of her young fan base. Remember every girl wanted to look like gaga with hair bow? She grown up too fast image wise and musically. I think this is one of the big reasons why Katy is so successful she caters to a younger audience.

[August]

Feb 8, 2014 8:24:51 GMT -5 PopLuva said:

I think she lost a lot of her young fan base. Remember every girl wanted to look like gaga with hair bow? She grown up too fast image wise and musically. I think this is one of the big reasons why Katy is so successful she caters to a younger audience.

I'm not sure it's a matter of growing up, more than most people think she has turned into such a pretentious and arrogant person. Before it was just kind of fun and diva...now everything is presented like she just created the next Bodicelli or Degas and all the time, genius, and love that went into creating it. I think it is just such a turn off. Everything is just so dramatic and pretentious.

This is just my opinion, feel free to disagree.

[lookinghot]

What are the albums sales at?

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Feb 8, 2014 9:17:46 GMT -5 August said:

Feb 8, 2014 8:24:51 GMT -5 PopLuva said:

I think she lost a lot of her young fan base. Remember every girl wanted to look like gaga with hair bow? She grown up too fast image wise and musically. I think this is one of the big reasons why Katy is so successful she caters to a younger audience.

I'm not sure it's a matter of growing up, more than most people think she has turned into such a pretentious and arrogant person. Before it was just kind of fun and diva...now everything is presented like she just created the next Bodicelli or Degas and all the time, genius, and love that went into creating it. I think it is just such a turn off. Everything is just so dramatic and pretentious.

This is just my opinion, feel free to disagree.

You mean Botticelli? Italian who created famous Birth of Venus, among other things
Though I LOVE LOVE LOVE his madonnas!

[Rocky]

Feb 8, 2014 2:51:06 GMT -5 SPRΞΞ said:

Feb 7, 2014 22:52:08 GMT -5 85la said:

1)Releasing the single the same week as Katy Perry. Perry is clearly the bigger star now, and there was no way Gaga could win in a match-up with her.

that was an interesting time. Roar leaked, but Katy didn't do a thing. She let it leak over the weekend, and it was released on Monday on iTunes as scheduled. Applause was starting to leak, and it was virtually there, as I had had a copy of something, so because it was a week behind schedule, Gaga probably felt a lose-lose scenario if everyone had heard it a week in advance, and THEN going to iTunes the next week. She probably felt her best bet was to rush-release, which did happen. Her timing was off bigtime. She should've realized her stuff would leak, and possibly leak on the worst day of the week.

Applause was certainly hurt by Roar's success. That's just obvious.

I don't know if you're serious or just using irony. I doubt that "Applause" itself was hurt by "Roar"'s success, but it looks like it performed horribly as they were compared due to being released close to each other.

She totally should've wait til Monday, but almost the same happened with "Judas" in 2011. Nevermind, the song is over and many people like me gave up waiting for another single.

[when the pawn...]

Feb 8, 2014 9:24:30 GMT -5 lookinghot said:

What are the albums sales at?

650k. Selling a million is out of the question, barring an incredible re-release. At this point, I'm hoping for 750k.

[Kishi KCM]

I think everyone is over thinking.

ETA: my advice to Gaga would be....make the music your #1 focus and give it 100%, drop the emphasis on the word art, get some edgy creative fashion without it being tacky, and don't spend too much time on social media.

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Hypothetically, if Roar didn't exist or didn't get released until now or whatever, I think Applause would have had an explosive beginning but also a much shorter chart life - and also possibly a lower peak. I think the song itself was a grower and people's reactions to it over time indicate that. If radio put it into power rotation sooner, it would have tested poorly and wouldn't have gotten a second chance.
With Roar coming out at the same time, radio picked that to spin first as it was more immediate and radio friendly and catchier. Putting Applause on the back burner allowed people to warm up to it rather than instantly be closed off to it.

I would say Roar indirectly helped Applause in that sense.

[Glove Slap]

Yeah I think Applause would have done pretty much the same overall regardless of Roar or not.

The only thing that Roar affected was the first few weeks. Because 2 people with strong recent history on Pop radio put out new singles automatically and because there's only so much time to premiere new material due to regular programming, once feedback showed that Roar was getting a better response, that just got the bigger overall first wind.

[dbhmr]

I just think this era is a really unfortunate combination of releasing an album with sub-par material amidst bad management and without a lot of public support. She seems to have rubbed people the wrong way somewhere during the Born This Way era and hasn't really recovered. The first two singles were strong so they had that going for them, but they were overconfident with their first single release then handled her second single inexplicably. And, unfortunately, there isn't anything decent left to support the album.

[Rocky]

Now "G.U.Y." is the rumoured 3rd single. I can't.

[Juanca]

I think GUY and even Venus (with a radio edit that cuts that stupid bridge) could work, but Gypsy is the safest bet.
I really like the album. Artpop, Aura, Sexxx Dreams are good songs too --just needed some tweak.
I agree with the overselling issue. It was too much too and probably that also stressed Gaga who felt she couldn't deliver and maybe avoided a breakdown by pausing and diverting the path of DWUW.
I'm still waiting for a recovery of the era. It'll be a shame to not have more at least moderate hits this era

[raprulestheworld]

She is shooting a new video @ Hearst Castle. Whatever/wherever that is lol

[nightshade]

fuck it. I'm here to be that girl under you.

at least it's not Venus. while I adore it, it's not meant to be quite yet.