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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2019 9:40:47 GMT -5
Pat Benatar currently in the lead in the fan voting. Ok Pat, go get that nomination!
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Post by HolidayGuy on Oct 19, 2019 9:47:50 GMT -5
She already has the nomination; she's now in the hunt for the fan ballot and induction. :)
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Post by Nick on Oct 19, 2019 11:28:02 GMT -5
Last year Janet was never in the top five in fan voting, however she still made the final cut and was inducted.
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Post by Caviar on Oct 19, 2019 14:43:11 GMT -5
I cried when Janet got inducted. Such a monumental moment for her considering how the industry tried to destroy her legacy.
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Post by djjoe1960 on Oct 19, 2019 18:03:06 GMT -5
The Rock n Roll Hall of Fame needs a name change--it should be the Rock/Pop Music Hall of Fame. especially in light of some of the recent inductees and nominees.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Oct 20, 2019 15:29:54 GMT -5
It has a history of inducting acts that wouldn't necessarily be classified as "rock," though. Only a few country acts, though- part of that may do with the Country Music hall of Fame, which was established well before the Rock Hall.
The UK had a Music Hall of Fame, though it only lasted a handful or so of years.
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Post by jenglisbe on Oct 21, 2019 19:23:29 GMT -5
Last year Janet was never in the top five in fan voting, however she still made the final cut and was inducted. Well, the fan voting is ultimately fairly meaningless. The Rock n Roll Hall of Fame needs a name change--it should be the Rock/Pop Music Hall of Fame. especially in light of some of the recent inductees and nominees. Why? "Rock and roll" traditionally draws from the blues, R&B, and country anyway, so it makes sense for them all to be represented if you look through an historical lense. If it were Rock Hall of Fame, sure, but "Rock N Roll" is a broader term.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Oct 21, 2019 21:19:59 GMT -5
^Wouldn't say it's "meaningless"- in the end, it's as meaningful as any individual Rock Hall member's ballot. :)
If Janet's induction is anything to go by (both eligible for a similar number of years before their first nomination), Whitney may have to wait a few years before voted in. But, if she's not voted in, that may leave just one female inductee, which would be kinda sucky (I'd be surprised if Rufus/Chaka Khan made the cut).
We'll see if, going forward, more women make the nominee list, get added to the board, committee, etc.
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Post by jenglisbe on Oct 21, 2019 22:11:11 GMT -5
^Wouldn't say it's "meaningless"- in the end, it's as meaningful as any individual Rock Hall member's ballot. :) And 1 vote is ultimately meaningless in and of itself is all I'm saying. How many voters are there?
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Post by HolidayGuy on Oct 22, 2019 11:28:00 GMT -5
^Anyone that's a member, along with inductees, however many that would total. 500-plus?
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Post by Caviar on Oct 22, 2019 12:40:25 GMT -5
It’s a little more than 1000.
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Post by Mirago on Oct 22, 2019 19:15:42 GMT -5
Whitney that low in the fan votes, who's voting? Doobie Brothers sound like perhaps a big name to be ignored the first time nominated but they would still not be in my top 5 finalists:
Whitney Houston - this is a must, nothing to consider Pat Benatar Depeche Mode Soundgarden or Judas Priest - only one rock band at a time can be inducted Kraftwerk - this is a long shot but I'd induct them
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Post by jenglisbe on Oct 22, 2019 21:10:17 GMT -5
Whitney that low in the fan votes, who's voting? Doobie Brothers sound like perhaps a big name to be ignored the first time nominated but they would still not be in my top 5 finalists: Whitney Houston - this is a must, nothing to consider Pat Benatar Depeche Mode Soundgarden or Judas Priest - only one rock band at a time can be inducted Kraftwerk - this is a long shot but I'd induct them What’s the argument for Soundgarden being in the Hall of Fame?
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Post by Mirago on Oct 23, 2019 11:46:31 GMT -5
Whitney that low in the fan votes, who's voting? Doobie Brothers sound like perhaps a big name to be ignored the first time nominated but they would still not be in my top 5 finalists: Whitney Houston - this is a must, nothing to consider Pat Benatar Depeche Mode Soundgarden or Judas Priest - only one rock band at a time can be inducted Kraftwerk - this is a long shot but I'd induct them What’s the argument for Soundgarden being in the Hall of Fame? Soundgarden had an enormous impact in a short span of time although I would mostly base my endorsement off Chris Cornell’s cultural impact. I think his death has made him bigger than Soundgarden but he probably has a better shot of getting into the Hall under the Soundgarden name than he might have solo. He was a standout artist who fronted 3 bands that all have notable songs: Soundgarden (Spoonman, Black Hole Sun), Audioslave (Like A Stone) and Temple of the Dog (Hunger Strike). There aren't many vocalists in the last 30 years with that kind of distinction. In terms of a ‘public vote’ as to why Soundgarden should be inducted is because I think they represent the sound of a generation. The Superunknown album was everywhere in its glory day and carved a mark in rock music, to me they’re synonymous with Nirvana.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Oct 23, 2019 17:03:43 GMT -5
^Wouldn't say it's "meaningless"- in the end, it's as meaningful as any individual Rock Hall member's ballot. :) And 1 vote is ultimately meaningless in and of itself is all I'm saying. How many voters are there? You sound like people who don’t vote in general elections.
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Post by jenglisbe on Oct 23, 2019 18:05:51 GMT -5
What’s the argument for Soundgarden being in the Hall of Fame? Soundgarden had an enormous impact in a short span of time although I would mostly base my endorsement off Chris Cornell’s cultural impact. I think his death has made him bigger than Soundgarden but he probably has a better shot of getting into the Hall under the Soundgarden name than he might have solo. He was a standout artist who fronted 3 bands that all have notable songs: Soundgarden (Spoonman, Black Hole Sun), Audioslave (Like A Stone) and Temple of the Dog (Hunger Strike). There aren't many vocalists in the last 30 years with that kind of distinction. In terms of a ‘public vote’ as to why Soundgarden should be inducted is because I think they represent the sound of a generation. The Superunknown album was everywhere in its glory day and carved a mark in rock music, to me they’re synonymous with Nirvana. Nirvana is hailed as way more influential than Soundgarden. So is Pearl Jam. To me the Hall of Fame should be for truly classic acts, not ones who had a hit album based on a current trend. I would agree more on Chris Cornell as a 'solo' act because of the bands you mention, but I don't know that acts can be inducted that way. And 1 vote is ultimately meaningless in and of itself is all I'm saying. How many voters are there? You sound like people who don’t vote in general elections. Follow the discussion of why I said that. A poster was pointing out Janet made the Hall of Fame despite being low in the fan voting. My point was that it makes sense because the fan voting is ultimately such a small part of the actual vote. It was simply a factual point, not one encouraging or discouraging anyone to vote. To continue your parallel, the discussion is akin to someone pointing out Trump won the election despite having low popularity in California and me saying that's because 1 state doesn't determine the election.
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Oct 24, 2019 15:52:46 GMT -5
Current radio airplay for the nominees: radioinsight.com/ross/181173/radio-and-the-rock-hall-nominees-make-music-fans-so-emotional/Here are the 2020 nominees with a quick look at their place in radio through the years, and today. The Nielsen BDSRadio spins quoted measure all the U.S. and Canada airplay logged for a song over the past seven days. In each case, those numbers are probably inflated a little because of spins given to an act as a result of the nomination, but they still give an idea of each act’s relative presence at radio. Pat Benatar – From late 1979 until 1986, a consistent and consistently good provider of radio records. To some extent, early ‘80s pop/rock is starting to fade as the late ‘80s take center stage, but thanks to “Heartbreaker,” “Hit Me With Your Best Shot,” “Love Is A Battlefield,” and “We Belong,” she’s still a regular radio presence. “Hit Me” is the airplay leader with 2,300 BDS spins this week (with Canadian spins included, it also helps that the song, written by a Canadian, is stealth Cancon). Dave Matthews Band – When they emerged, rootsy pop/rock still had a presence at Alternative radio and was also a calling card for a resurgent Top 40, at least until teen pop and rhythmic pop reasserted themselves. As Alternative went through the Jewel/Tool split, DMB became a core act for the emerging Modern AC format. Now they exist in the space between formats, moving into their “modern-day Grateful Dead” status as a band whose touring base is set for the next 30 years but with less of a path at radio. Most enduring: “Crash Into Me” with 177 BDS spins. Depeche Mode – In the UK, they were consistent pop hitmakers. In the U.S., they finally managed a hit with “People Are People,” then disappeared from pop radio for a while, although they were certainly a core act (along with New Order, the Cure, and the Smiths) for the Alternative radio that did exist in the mid-to-late ‘80s. Then “Violator” made them a multi-format presence for a year during that late-‘80s/early-‘90s time that is becoming a sweet spot for Classic Hits radio. “Just Can’t Get Enough” is also a song with far more American radio presence than it had as a current. Ultimately, I believe they will be remembered as a Classic Rock band in the same way the Talking Heads now are. Anywhere else in the world (especially with non-English-speaking audiences), they already are. Most played: “Enjoy the Silence,” 594 spins. Doobie Brothers – Like a lot of pop/rock acts of the ‘70s, the Doobies were always a radio presence, but every song was not a pop radio smash. Their first radio streak yielded “Listen to the Music,” “Long Train Running,” “China Grove,” and “Black Water”—songs that only faded as stations moved on from the early ‘70s. In their second era, “What a Fool Believes” was never a “Carry On Wayward Son” or “Blinded by the Light,” but has enjoyed a double resurgence from the rise of “yacht rock” and the emergence of “The Breeze” stations and other Soft AC outlets. Most played: “Listen to the Music,” 562 spins. Whitney Houston – Her radio heyday lasted 12-13 years and her radio career morphed often. Her second album provided her most enduring gold title (“I Wanna Dance With Somebody [Who Loves Me]”), followed up by the unflattering “Didn’t We (Almost Have It All),” which showed how good Arista was at getting No. 1 singles by sheer willpower. Then, “I Will Always Love You” and the other singles from The Bodyguard gave pop radio something to hold on to at a difficult time, and now they too are in the sweet spot, thanks to Soft AC and renewed focus on the early ‘90s. Plus she’s back on the radio thanks to the Kygo reworking of her version of “Higher Love.” (That’s also her most played song at the moment with 5,287 spins; “I Wanna Dance” has 1,379.) Houston is the artist who has generated the most “not rock” grumbling since her nomination, and, as such, crystalized every debate about the nominating process and what the RRHOF should be. Personally, what I want to see at this year’s RRHOF ceremony is both Houston and Chaka Khan & Rufus inducted. For the final solo number, Khan will sing the song recorded by both artists, “I’m Every Woman,” then flip Houston’s shout-out at the fade-out to namecheck Whitney. Then the all-star jam can be a medley of “I Wanna Dance” and “Tell Me Something Good.” I’m glad we had this little talk. Judas Priest – Their signature songs (“Living After Midnight,” “You’ve Got Another Thing Coming”) always had some presence at early ‘80s AOR radio, where part of their franchise was rocking even harder than Ozzy Osbourne (at the time, one of the format’s core artists). They never had the crossover hit that might have given them the growing Classic Hits/Classic Rock presence of, say, the Scorpions, but they’ve also gotten some help from the reconfiguring of some Active Rock stations as harder Classic Rock outlets. “You’ve Got Another Thing Coming” is the most-played BDS song with 434 spins. Kraftwerk – Their airplay was patchy at the time. “Autobahn” was a 1975 Top 40 oddity that would exist on the same plane with “Black Superman (Muhammed Ali),” if it weren’t for what came later. (I like both, by the way.) “Trans Europe Express” and “Numbers” were the R&B hits that became part of the Hip-Hop landscape. I definitely remember “Trans Europe Express” as an odd, spectral presence on WOL Washington, D.C. in 1977. Now, it’s their most played song at radio with all of eight BDS spins. MC5 – “Kick Out the Jams” went to No. 2 at Detroit’s Top 40 CKLW and WKNR, and they emerged just as progressive rock radio in Detroit was doing the same. They were never a radio band anywhere else. If anything, their footprint may be larger now because of Dave Marsh’s weekly “Kick Out the Jams” show on SiriusXM’s The Spectrum. “Kick Out the Jams” got six BDS spins this week, and I’m guessing that even those are because of the nomination itself. Motorhead – Ross on Radio readers may remember individual AORs that played them. I don’t remember them having much of a U.S. radio footprint at all, even compared to Judas Priest or Iron Maiden. But “Ace of Spades” got 76 BDS spins this week. Their top two markets include hard-rock stronghold Salt Lake City and nearby Boise. Nine Inch Nails – As the most mainstream distillation of industrial rock, they became an Alternative mainstay in the mid-‘90s with a signature song that, even with lyrics obscured, pushed radio’s boundaries. (I remember one prominent Alternative GM saying post-Janet Jackson/Super Bowl incident that he’d finally had to pull “Closer” because of new scrutiny.) Setting aside their recent “Old Town Road” to CHR airplay, they have a continued home both at Alternative and at an Active Rock format where ‘90s Alternative plays a prominent role. “Closer” got 546 BDS spins this week. The Notorious B.I.G. – The hits from “Ready to Die” existed mostly at R&B radio, just as Hip-Hop’s presence was finally exploding at the format, and were certainly part of the excitement when WQHT (Hot 97) New York segued to Hip-Hop. When “Life After Death” came out, “Hypnotize” was a pop hit in Canada (where there was no R&B radio), but not here, because Mainstream CHR was still resisting Hip-Hop crossovers. That changed with “Mo Money Mo Problems.” Then in the mid-‘00s, his gold titles became pop-radio staples, something that lasted until the throwback Hip-Hop/R&B format emerged with him as the core artist. “Mo Money Mo Problems” is the BDS spin leader this week with 654 spins. Rufus & Chaka Khan – Chaka Khan often figures into my own personal “radio should play more” calculations. Like a lot of their peers at the time, Rufus was a consistent R&B hitmaker from whom CHR cherrypicked a few titles. Their most enduring multi-format hit, “Ain’t Nobody,” came from a one-off reunion project and it is often miscredited as a Khan solo project, just as “Lady Marmalade” is often misattributed to a solo Patti Labelle. With both “Sweet Thing” and “I’m Every Woman” splitting their spins with more recent versions by Mary J. Blige and Houston respectively, “Ain’t Nobody” got 247 BDS spins this week — the most of any Rufus or Chaka solo title. Todd Rundgren – Like Kraftwerk, an admired act with an extensive body of work that occasionally came into radio’s orbit, primarily with “I Saw the Light” and “Hello, It’s Me.” (Which is too bad, because “Couldn’t I Just Tell You” and “You Cried Wolf” are perfect radio singles that never got to be radio hits.) Rundgren is the kind of artist for whom satellite radio is most vital; find him on SiriusXM’s ‘70s on 7, the Bridge, the Spectrum, and others. He is now most represented at broadcast radio by 1983’s “Bang the Drum All Day” (83 spins), one of those songs that didn’t become a full-fledged hit at the time, but will linger forever at radio as long as 5 p.m. Friday rolls around. Soundgarden – Nirvana and Pearl Jam retain dual citizenship at Alternative and Active Rock. Alice in Chains has largely accrued to the latter, as grunge becomes a core sound there. Soundgarden has been somewhere in the middle, but “Black Hole Sun” has enough airplay between the two (and now some Classic Rock stations) to sport 1,540 BDS spins this week. Even the next track, “Spoonman,” has 654. T. Rex – In England, a consistent hitmaker and great singles act whose “Hot Love” became as much of a Classic Hits staple over the years as “Bang a Gong (Get It On).” In the U.S., a one-hit wonder whose song endured as one of the most perfect radio records of all time, but hasn’t outlasted the erosion of the early ‘70s at broadcast radio. “Bang a Gong” got 310 BDS spins this week. Thin Lizzy – Another perfect radio record. Another American one-hit wonder, although Metallica expanded their influence decades later by remaking “Whiskey in the Jar.” “The Boys Are Back in Town” remains a Classic Rock staple (and endures to a lesser extent at Classic Hits) with 890 spins this week. Even “Jailbreak” got 99 spins in the week of the nomination.
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Post by djjoe1960 on Nov 4, 2019 14:40:42 GMT -5
Last year Janet was never in the top five in fan voting, however she still made the final cut and was inducted. Well, the fan voting is ultimately fairly meaningless. The Rock n Roll Hall of Fame needs a name change--it should be the Rock/Pop Music Hall of Fame. especially in light of some of the recent inductees and nominees. Why? "Rock and roll" traditionally draws from the blues, R&B, and country anyway, so it makes sense for them all to be represented if you look through an historical lense. If it were Rock Hall of Fame, sure, but "Rock N Roll" is a broader term. While Rock n Roll can come to be a pretty broad term but so can Pop (short for Popular) Music. Since mostly Rap & Hip/Hop artists are being inducted and nominated, why not make the name more reflective of the what the Hall represents--Pop Music When I think of Rock, I think of musicians that play and compose their own music--not something I associate with today's popular artists. Most of them may compose the music (lyrics and use a computer to help with the tune)--but they are not musicians in the true sense of the word. So I am proposing a slight change in the the Hall's title--The Rock? Pop Hall Of Fame.
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Post by tanooki on Nov 5, 2019 0:18:14 GMT -5
Well, the fan voting is ultimately fairly meaningless. Why? "Rock and roll" traditionally draws from the blues, R&B, and country anyway, so it makes sense for them all to be represented if you look through an historical lense. If it were Rock Hall of Fame, sure, but "Rock N Roll" is a broader term. While Rock n Roll can come to be a pretty broad term but so can Pop (short for Popular) Music. Since mostly Rap & Hip/Hop artists are being inducted and nominated, why not make the name more reflective of the what the Hall represents--Pop Music When I think of Rock, I think of musicians that play and compose their own music--not something I associate with today's popular artists. Most of them may compose the music (lyrics and use a computer to help with the tune)--but they are not musicians in the true sense of the word. So I am proposing a slight change in the the Hall's title--The Rock? Pop Hall Of Fame. ok boomer Fr tho, if a name change was needed (which I really don't think it is), why not just go with the Music Hall of Fame? Pinning a specific genre to the list when artists of all genres are inducted seems redundant and confusing.
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Post by Nick on Nov 7, 2019 19:14:33 GMT -5
Dave Matthews Band is now #1 in fan voting. F*cking gross.
#2 Pat Benatar #3 The Doobie Brothers #4 Soundgarden #5 Judas Priest
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Post by HolidayGuy on Nov 7, 2019 20:14:18 GMT -5
^DMB had been moving up steadily in the rankings. Plus, it has a strong, vocal fanbase.
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Post by jenglisbe on Nov 7, 2019 22:43:54 GMT -5
DMB has a strong fan base, for sure. I am not sure how I feel about them getting in. They certainly haven't had much influence in music, but they've been successful across a number of years and have a bigger following than many acts who are in. I like a lot of their songs.
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Post by garrettlen on Nov 8, 2019 10:02:06 GMT -5
Not everybody gets in the first year they are nominated. Whitney Houston might have to wait a few times.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Nov 8, 2019 15:17:24 GMT -5
I believe Neil Diamond was voted in with his first nomination (which came 20-plus years after he first became eligible). There may be others. However, Whitney has been eligible for about half the time Diamond was before his first nomination, thus I agree that she may have to wait a bit. On the other hand, I had mentioned prior that if she isn't inducted this year, that could leave just one female inductee if Pat Benatar makes it on her first nomination- unless Rufus & Chaka Khan gets the support of the voting body.
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Post by djjoe1960 on Nov 20, 2019 10:58:30 GMT -5
While Rock n Roll can come to be a pretty broad term but so can Pop (short for Popular) Music. Since mostly Rap & Hip/Hop artists are being inducted and nominated, why not make the name more reflective of the what the Hall represents--Pop Music When I think of Rock, I think of musicians that play and compose their own music--not something I associate with today's popular artists. Most of them may compose the music (lyrics and use a computer to help with the tune)--but they are not musicians in the true sense of the word. So I am proposing a slight change in the the Hall's title--The Rock? Pop Hall Of Fame. ok boomer Fr tho, if a name change was needed (which I really don't think it is), why not just go with the Music Hall of Fame? Pinning a specific genre to the list when artists of all genres are inducted seems redundant and confusing. Admittedly , I am an 'old fart' and I have no problem with what you propose, however I just like 'Pop' (Popular) as it more reflective of the broad spectrum of artists in the Hall.
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Post by Landmarx on Nov 21, 2019 0:56:02 GMT -5
ok boomer Fr tho, if a name change was needed (which I really don't think it is), why not just go with the Music Hall of Fame? Pinning a specific genre to the list when artists of all genres are inducted seems redundant and confusing. Admittedly , I am an 'old fart' and I have no problem with what you propose, however I just like 'Pop' (Popular) as it more reflective of the broad spectrum of artists in the Hall.
"ok boomer" is definitely apt, as you made the often repeated claim that "mostly Rap & Hip/Hop artists are being inducted and nominated" when only six hip-hop acts have been inducted in the hall's history, only one was nominated this year, and the last two classes have not included any rap acts. It's a common exaggeration made by people who disagree with the idea of hip-hop being under the "rock" (a term most often used for a musical era post-1954, rather than a genre itself) umbrella, when, in reality, the vast majority of inductees are still white, male, rock bands.
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Post by jenglisbe on Jan 11, 2020 18:12:51 GMT -5
Fan voting has completed, and the top 5 all get 1 vote for HoF inclusion: 1. Dave Matthews Band 2. Pat Penatar 3. The Doobie Brothers 4. Soundgarden 5. Judas Priest
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Post by HolidayGuy on Jan 11, 2020 23:09:50 GMT -5
^I don't know Pat Penatar.
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Post by Nick on Jan 12, 2020 9:37:26 GMT -5
The inductees will be announced on January 15th.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Jan 14, 2020 16:03:50 GMT -5
The inductees may have leaked, via savvy searchers. Putting an nominee's name in the Hall of Fame inductees - whether first and last names lowercase or capitalized- URL yields an "Access denied" for six of the nominees, and "Page cannot be found" for others. The six potential inductees:
The Doobie Brothers Depeche Mode Nine Inch Nails The Notorious B.I.G. T. Rex Whitney Houston
We'll see if that's indeed how it pans out. If so, it would be disappointing that Pat B. would be missing, but maybe next time. Interestingly, Pat is one of four - along with Kraftwerk, Motorhead and Dave Matthews Band - who, if you capitalize the first and last names, gets an "Access denied" message.
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