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Post by collegedropout on Jan 15, 2020 20:52:33 GMT -5
Yeah it's basically a hall of fame for the rock and roll era
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Jan 15, 2020 21:31:05 GMT -5
Same. Because no words need to be said beyond this. Whitney’s impact on music has been huge since her arrival. Cue all the fragile outdated rock heads who are upset over Whitney’s induction (and to a lesser extend, Biggy). Whitney's impact on music itself has been huge. No doubt. Her impact on Rock n Roll has been very little. I'm not saying that she doesn't deserve to be in a hall of fame. She does. She should be in a hall of fame. But not this one.
You could just change the name to something like International Music HoF. I guess no one would argue then. Every artist here deserves to be in a HoF like this. Whitney, Biggie, Chaka Khan. All of them. But it's still called Rock n Roll HoF. Not the Music hall of fame. So of course people (especially rock fans) will be upset and discuss about how this all doesn't seem to make sense to them. Talking about the impact, why is Kraftwerk not inducted. They are probably the most influental band of all time after The Beatles. They even have rock credibility as they were part of the Krautrock scene in the early 70s. How is Judas Priest not inducted. They had their 50 year anniversary this year and are a legendary act in the heavy metal genre. (And their basically the band that introduced the leather/black steorotypical metal fashion to the world). How is f'n Lemmy Kilmister not in the hall of fame. I don't even need arguments for that.
I could go on and on.
(This sounds way more upset than I actually am.)
Yeah okay, but this comes up literally every year so I'm not sure why the outrage returns each time as if there's some surprise. Rock & Roll, as used in this and a lot of cases, is a more generic term for popular music. It's odd because the outrage is almost always directed at pop artists and even more emphasized when those pop artists are women. While Rock & Roll shares elements, and is derived from the same styles of music that most of today's genres ultimately come from, I agree the name of the hall of fame could use an update, so why not direct the discussion around that rather than on how a non-rock, no, a female pop singer, is less deserving despite having had enormous impact on music culture?
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Post by garrettlen on Jan 15, 2020 21:35:22 GMT -5
I think Pat Benatar should have gotten in before Whitney Houston.
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Post by janinho on Jan 15, 2020 21:42:23 GMT -5
Whitney's impact on music itself has been huge. No doubt. Her impact on Rock n Roll has been very little. I'm not saying that she doesn't deserve to be in a hall of fame. She does. She should be in a hall of fame. But not this one.
You could just change the name to something like International Music HoF. I guess no one would argue then. Every artist here deserves to be in a HoF like this. Whitney, Biggie, Chaka Khan. All of them. But it's still called Rock n Roll HoF. Not the Music hall of fame. So of course people (especially rock fans) will be upset and discuss about how this all doesn't seem to make sense to them. Talking about the impact, why is Kraftwerk not inducted. They are probably the most influental band of all time after The Beatles. They even have rock credibility as they were part of the Krautrock scene in the early 70s. How is Judas Priest not inducted. They had their 50 year anniversary this year and are a legendary act in the heavy metal genre. (And their basically the band that introduced the leather/black steorotypical metal fashion to the world). How is f'n Lemmy Kilmister not in the hall of fame. I don't even need arguments for that.
I could go on and on.
(This sounds way more upset than I actually am.)
Yeah okay, but this comes up literally every year so I'm not sure why the outrage returns each time as if there's some surprise. Rock & Roll, as used in this and a lot of cases, is a more generic term for popular music. It's odd because the outrage is almost always directed at pop artists and even more emphasized when those pop artists are women. While Rock & Roll shares elements, and is derived from the same styles of music that most of today's genres ultimately come from, I agree the name of the hall of fame could use an update, so why not direct the discussion around that rather than on how a non-rock, no, a female pop singer, is less deserving despite having had enormous impact on music culture? Just to make that clear. This has nothing to do with those artists being female. My only issue was the genre. People were mad when they started inducting rap acts as well.
I think all these huge names like JP, Motorhead and Kraftwerk not being in the hall already is my biggest issue here, not Whitney or Biggie.
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Post by Janhova's Witness on Jan 18, 2020 22:41:12 GMT -5
you all can hate on whitney but its okay because whitney is the original voice and she has more worldwide success bigger tours bigger movies and more. keep being hatful but the facts speak for themselfs. jealousy is sad
somebody get me all whitney houston chart 🗣
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Post by #LisaRinna on Jan 19, 2020 6:13:42 GMT -5
Thrilled about Whitney getting in obviously, but can we also talk about Depeche Mode?
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Post by jenglisbe on Jan 19, 2020 8:37:10 GMT -5
Same. Because no words need to be said beyond this. Whitney’s impact on music has been huge since her arrival. Cue all the fragile outdated rock heads who are upset over Whitney’s induction (and to a lesser extend, Biggy). Whitney's impact on music itself has been huge. No doubt. Her impact on Rock n Roll has been very little. I'm not saying that she doesn't deserve to be in a hall of fame. She does. She should be in a hall of fame. But not this one.
You could just change the name to something like International Music HoF. I guess no one would argue then. Every artist here deserves to be in a HoF like this. Whitney, Biggie, Chaka Khan. All of them. But it's still called Rock n Roll HoF. Not the Music hall of fame. So of course people (especially rock fans) will be upset and discuss about how this all doesn't seem to make sense to them. Talking about the impact, why is Kraftwerk not inducted. They are probably the most influental band of all time after The Beatles. They even have rock credibility as they were part of the Krautrock scene in the early 70s. How is Judas Priest not inducted. They had their 50 year anniversary this year and are a legendary act in the heavy metal genre. (And their basically the band that introduced the leather/black steorotypical metal fashion to the world). How is f'n Lemmy Kilmister not in the hall of fame. I don't even need arguments for that.
I could go on and on.
(This sounds way more upset than I actually am.)
Your thinking is too narrow/specific. There are plenty of acts in the HoF who aren't "rock and roll." This group clearly has a more broad view of the term.
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Post by Push The Button on Jan 20, 2020 16:52:40 GMT -5
Whitney got in before Barbra Streisand? Odd.
(Don’t @ me.) Streisand was the biggest female star of the rock era.
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Post by colson on Jan 20, 2020 18:21:57 GMT -5
Streisand will probably never get in if she hasn't gotten in yet. Hasn't she been eligible for several decades?
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Post by jenglisbe on Jan 20, 2020 18:26:15 GMT -5
Whitney got in before Barbra Streisand? Odd. (Don’t @ me.) Streisand was the biggest female star of the rock era. Whitney's somewhat recent passing combined with recent interest in her due to those documentaries and other things like Robyn's book surely helped her. She also had a bit more of an 'edge' than Streisand, even if it wasn't much. Streisand may never get in, but if she's going to get in, it looks like it will only happen after she dies.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2020 18:27:00 GMT -5
Streisand will probably never get in if she hasn't gotten in yet. Hasn't she been eligible for several decades? She’s been eligible since only a few years after the RRHOF was founded back in the 80’s. I doubt she’ll make it in.. her work was never critically acclaimed and she didn’t have much of an impact on the future of popular music. She’s known for having an incredible voice and decades of success but that alone won’t get her in. Her work has teetered between a throwback to the heyday of vocal jazz and at her pop music peak, following the trends of the time.
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Post by jenglisbe on Jan 20, 2020 20:25:34 GMT -5
Streisand will probably never get in if she hasn't gotten in yet. Hasn't she been eligible for several decades? She’s been eligible since only a few years after the RRHOF was founded back in the 80’s. I doubt she’ll make it in.. her work was never critically acclaimed and she didn’t have much of an impact on the future of popular music. She’s known for having an incredible voice and decades of success but that alone won’t get her in. Her work has teetered between a throwback to the heyday of vocal jazz and at her pop music peak, following the trends of the time. Streisand may not have a widespread influence, but Celine Dion clearly owes her a debt. Streisand likely also had influence in being able to mix music and film, including directing and producing her own projects. That aspect wouldn't be relevant to the Rock Hall, though.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Jan 21, 2020 11:39:50 GMT -5
Question is, who will be the next female to be inducted in her first year of eligibility? There have been just two to date- Aretha Franklin came close, inducted in the second year of the Hall's existence (she was eligible for the first, but of course the first class of 15 or so inductees were all males).
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Post by tanooki on Jan 21, 2020 22:09:27 GMT -5
Soundgarden really deserved. I hope Audioslave and Chris Cornell solo can manage to get in as well at some point
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Post by colson on Jan 22, 2020 1:53:29 GMT -5
First year of eligibility for a female doesn't really matter at this point especially if Queen of Soul wasn't inducted the first year. She's far more respected than the other two.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Jan 23, 2020 17:14:37 GMT -5
Reasons for Aretha's induction in year two of the Hall were mentioned. Not being in the first year wasn't much of a slight, as she was the first, woman inducted.
First-year-eligible induction is notable, no matter who it is. Madonna actually had enjoyed levels of artist acclaim comparable to Aretha Franklin, and influence. They're both hugely important in the scope of music history. Janis Joplin also very important, like others in the 27 Club who made a big impact. But all that is all here nor there, as they're way past being inducted.
Here's hoping Pat Benatar/Neil Girlado return to the ballot later this year. No reason for her not to be snubbed, when Heart and Joan Jett (with the Blackhearts, no less, rather than The Runaways), who also had to wait years for their first nomination and induction, were inducted.
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Feb 20, 2020 15:16:24 GMT -5
2020 Eligible Artists(The 2021 Induction Ceremony) futurerocklegends.com/year.php?eligible_year=2020Air Amanda Marshall The Amps Ayreon Backstreet Boys Ben Folds Five Blessid Union of Souls Boards of Canada Boy's Life Carbon Leaf Cast Cat Power The Chemical Brothers Cledus T. Judd The Corrs Country Teasers D'Angelo Damien Jurado The Dandy Warhols Death In Vegas Deftones The Delgados DJ Screw Dog's Eye View Enrique Iglesias Faith Evans Faithless Fennesz Filter Finger Eleven The Flower Kings Foo Fighters Friends of Dean Martinez Garbage Goldfinger Gov't Mule Guster Incubus Jars of Clay Jay-Z Jewel Jonny Lang Jurassic 5 Juvenile Kamelot Kenny Wayne Shepherd Lil' Kim Lonestar Monica Montell Jordan Mushroomhead Natalie Merchant Novembers Doom Opeth The Promise Ring Rafael Saadiq Rammstein Robert Miles Robyn Slash's Snakepit Son Volt Soul For Real Sparklehorse Spock's Beard Sugar Ray Super Furry Animals Texas Is The Reason Theatre of Tragedy Three 6 Mafia Thurston Moore VNV Nation Will Haven
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Post by tanooki on Feb 20, 2020 18:39:47 GMT -5
Would love to see Deftones and Three 6 Mafia!
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Post by Caviar on Feb 20, 2020 19:32:21 GMT -5
Backstreet Boys would be an interesting choice. Wow. We’re getting closer to the teen pop craze.
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Post by jenglisbe on Feb 21, 2020 11:08:53 GMT -5
Of the newly eligible, Foo Fighters and Chemical Brothers are the only ones I see having a shot of getting in within the next 5-10 years. I’d love to see D’Angelo get in, though.
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Post by nightvision on Feb 22, 2020 10:53:42 GMT -5
I think Jay Z and Foo Fighters will get in on their first year easily. Would love to see Robyn as well, but we know that's not happening.
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Post by jenglisbe on Feb 22, 2020 10:56:19 GMT -5
I somehow missed that Jay Z was on that list. Yeah, he’s getting in fairly quickly.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2020 9:32:40 GMT -5
Event is now scheduled for November 7.
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The Go-Go's' Kathy Valentine talks infamous Rolling Stone cover, 'Beauty' secrets, and why they're not in the Rock Hall
Lyndsey ParkerEditor-in-Chief, Music Yahoo MusicApril 28, 2020, 8:18 PM EDTwww.yahoo.com/entertainment/the-go-gos-kathy-valentine-talks-infamous-rolling-stone-cover-beauty-rock-hall-001809102.htmlIn March 1982, new wave legends the Go-Go’s’ debut LP, Beauty and the Beat, topped the Billboard 200 album chart, making them the first — and, to date only — all-female band that wrote their own songs and played their own instruments to achieve that feat. The album remained at No. 1 for six consecutive weeks, went double-platinum, and yielded the No. 2 single “We Got the Beat.” It was a dream come true for bassist Kathy Valentine, who’d wanted to be a rock star ever since she was a little girl and saw Suzi Quatro on TV. (“The ground split open, and everything made sense to me,” she says of that eureka moment.) Five months later, Valentine and her bandmates had the chance to fulfill another rock ‘n’ roll fantasy and pose for the cover of Rolling Stone. But the sexism they’d experienced in their early days — when no major label would take a chance on signing them, even though they were playing sold-out shows in their native Los Angeles — marred what should have be a career triumph. “We were really bothered by the Rolling Stone cover,” Valentine, who just released her raw and gritty memoir, All I Ever Wanted, tells Yahoo Entertainment/SiriusXM Volume. She recalls when the Go-Go’s showed up to a Manhattan loft for their shoot with renowned photographer Annie Liebowitz — wearing outfits they’d chosen for themselves — they were initially elated. “[Liebowitz] is an icon. Rolling Stone is an icon. These things are iconic. These are the things you've looked up to since you were 12 years old,” says Valentine. But then Liebowitz’s assistant walked in with bags of Hanes underwear, which the Go-Go’s learned would be their “wardrobe” for the photo session. The Go-Go’s resisted at first, when Liebowitz urged them to “just try it” and put on the tighty-whiteys. But after a lot of arguing back and forth, they ultimately relented, feeling pressured and intimidated — and justifying to themselves that at least they only had to don plain white cotton undies, as opposed to sexy lace lingerie. “All of a sudden we get to be on the cover of Rolling Stone, and we're being shot by this legend,” Valentine recalls. “So, you kind of go with it. … We respected [Liebowitz] a lot and we were thrilled to be in a shoot for with her. It's weird — you kind of do what you're told sometimes. It just depends in the moment. And especially when there's five people there, one person can still be grumbling and moaning and bitching about something, but they have to pipe down if everybody else is going along with the plan.” Some fans might be surprised to learn that this infamous cover — part of a long, problematic tradition of Rolling Stone having its female cover subjects pose in various dates of undress — was captured by a woman, not through the leering lens of a leering male photographer. But Valentine says it wasn’t the underwear that really upset the band in the end. It was the magazine’s snarky, degrading declaration: “Go-Go’s Put Out.” “[Liebowitz] is such a visionary and such an artist; I'm sure [she had] some creative statement. It could have been a spin on ‘They’re such wholesome girls!’” says Valentine. “But I think what rubs salt in that was the ‘Go-Go’s Put Out’ headline — almost a commentary like, ‘Oh, the wholesome girls, look at them, they're not sexy-underwear-posing, it’s like they're at a slumber party!’ That might've been the message, but when you say the Go-Go's ‘put out,’ that was unmistakably a dig.” The Go-Go’s did make Rolling Stone’s cover a second time, in July 1984, and for that shoot, they got to keep their clothes on. Valentine was pleased with that image, in which the band came across as “fierce and empowered.” But she only recently realized that that cover also boasted a sexual double-entendre headline: “Women on Top.” Says Valentine incredulously, “I just looked at it today! I never even thought that, [because] I was so happy with the photo. I never thought of that. Jesus.” The Go-Go’s struggled with that good girl/bad girl dichotomy throughout the early days of their career: The media consistently depicted them as innocent girls-next-door types, when in fact they were notorious veterans of the first-wave L.A. punk scene who could party just as hard as their debauched male peers. (Valentine had a particularly reckless adolescence: She learned to play guitar from her mom’s bad-influence boyfriend, a “heroin addict, drug dealer, prison escapee.”) “I think what happened was, as we got more successful, there was just these archetypes that women are often slotted into: the virgin, the whore, the girl next door. There’s these little boxes,” says Valentine. “And I think [girls next door] was the easiest [category], because we weren't acting ‘slutty.’ We weren't wearing real suggestive clothes. We weren't, like, going out there, being revealing or sexual. We weren't sexualized at all. So, I think because we weren't sexual, that meant we were ‘good girls,’ you know?” The real Go-Go’s were of course more complex, and they were always better off when they took control of their own narrative and image — like when they flipped gender roles and dressed up in male drag for their “Turn to You” music video (“I think me and [lead singer] Belinda [Carlisle] made the best guys,” Valentine chuckles), or when they styled themselves for their undoubtedly most famous photo shoot, for the Beauty and the Beat album. A perfectly on-brand depiction of budget glamour, the 1981 Beauty and the Beat back cover, shot by art director George DuBois, had the five girly Go-Go’s reclining in bubble-filled bathtubs at New York City’s Wellington Hotel — scarfing bon-bons, reading pulp fiction novels, gabbing on princess phones, and in Valentine’s case, swilling champagne-for-one. DuBois’s iconic front cover image featured the women in cheap-and-cheerful self-care/home-spa mode, wearing Pond’s cold cream face masks and borrowed linens. The Go-Go’s may have been showing a bit of skin, but in this case, in was on their own terms. “Our manager got the towels from Macy's and took them back the next day, because they were too expensive,” Valentine laughs. “We tried a lot of face products before we got it right. Like, some of them would sting, and some of them would start cracking. I've got outtake photos that are funny because they're just all cracked up. It looks terrible! And there wasn't really a way to digitally fix that stuff back then. So, it was trial-and-error. We used cold cream because it didn't crack and it didn't turn clear and icky.” It seems like those outtake photos — or those Macy’s towels, if they could ever be retrieved — belong in Cleveland’s Rock & Roll Hall of Fame museum. But despite the Go-Go’s establishing a still-unbroken Billboard chart record almost 40 years ago, they’ve gotten surprisingly short shrift historically. And incredibly, they’ve never even been nominated for the actual Rock & Roll Hall of Fame. “There will be some ‘Women Who Rock’ exhibit, and we won't even get in that. I've seen ‘Women Who Rock’ exhibits and there's nothing. OK, all right,” Valentine says with a shrug. “Sometimes it bothers me, sometimes it doesn't. … One argument somebody always makes [as to why the Go-Go’s have been snubbed by the Hall] is that we only had three albums in our four- or five-year arc of when we were the biggest. But then I think, how many albums did the Sex Pistols have? How many albums did the Stooges have? ... That's a drag.” Rockers the Go-Go’s say making it to Broadway with new musical "Head Over Heels" is "kind of a miracle." (July 16) But now it seems that the Go-Go’s are finally getting their due. Following the recent release of Valentine’s critically heralded All I Ever Wanted, the success of the band’s jukebox musical Head Over Heels, and the Go-Go’s’ forthcoming self-titled documentary (which premiered at this year’s Sundance Festival), they’re even reaching a new generation as “We Got the Beat” soundtracks a key musical number in the Valley Girl movie reboot out next month. “I really like the people that are running the Rock Hall now, and I know that they're advocating for us,” says Valentine. “I think it's a matter of time.”
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Post by jenglisbe on Apr 30, 2020 20:02:51 GMT -5
I'm mixed on whether The Go Go's deserve inclusion (in general my criteria is strict), but their limited output should not be a reason for exclusion when The Ronette's are essentially in simply because of one song.
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Post by areyoureadytojump on May 9, 2020 20:48:15 GMT -5
www.billboard.com/articles/news/awards/9374787/little-richard-rock-hall-first-class?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&fbclid=IwAR2yqSvWb7Ery3zDAD5Lm7Y3vkjos_egw-D192GsnHzMfe2mF42S14RbdhkWith Little Richard's Death, Only Two Members of the Inaugural Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Class Are Still Living5/9/2020 by Paul Grein Rock 'n' roll really does keep you young. But not immortal, sad to say. With Little Richard's death today (May 9) at age 87, now just two members of the inaugural class of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame are still living -- Jerry Lee Lewis, who is 84, and Don Everly, the older of The Everly Brothers, who is 83. The other members of the first class, from 1986, have all died. Three of them were inducted posthumously: Buddy Holly had died way back in 1959 (at age 22), Sam Cooke in 1964 (at age 33) and Elvis Presley in 1977 (at age 42). But all of the other members of the inaugural class lived to see their inductions and in fact made it into the 2000s, which suggests that rock 'n' roll really does keep you young. But not immortal, sad to say: Ray Charles died in 2004 (at age 73). James Brown died two years later (also at age 73). The pace of deaths has picked up in recent years. Phil Everly, the younger of The Everly Brothers, died in 2014 (at age 74). Chuck Berry and Fats Domino both died in 2017, at ages 90 and 89, respectively. Of the 15 members of the second class inducted into the Rock Hall in 1987, just one is still living—the ageless Smokey Robinson. (He's 80, but certainly doesn't look it.) You have to go to the third induction class to find one where the majority of those honored are still living. These living legends are Bob Dylan, 78; Paul McCartney, 77, and Ringo Starr, 79, from The Beatles; Diana Ross and Mary Wilson, both 76, from The Supremes; Brian Wilson and Al Jardine, both 77, and Mike Love, 79, from The Beach Boys; and Charlie Thomas, 83, from The Drifters. There were 10 inductions (solo artists or groups) that first year, 15 the second year and five the third year.
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Post by netti on Jul 7, 2020 11:56:55 GMT -5
From that list I would choose Natalie Merchant (solo and from 10,000 Maniacs) she/ they had a lot of acclaim. Jaz Z will surely get in. Maybe Jewel?
I think they should do a female only year and induct a bunch of these women that have deserved it for years. Carole King, Pat Benatar, Annie Lennox, Cyndi Lauper, Salt N Pepa, Mariah Carey, Sheryl Crow, The Bangles, Alanis Morrissette, Mary J Blidge, Melissa Etheridge, Cher, Grace Jones and many more. I think Salt N Pepa probably has a really got shot. But there are so many women who need to be in there!
Spoiler could be Cletus T Judd, so watch out!
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Post by nightvision on Jul 7, 2020 15:56:17 GMT -5
I think Mariah is getting in this year
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Post by colson on Jul 7, 2020 22:43:21 GMT -5
Carole King and Pat Benatar aren't in yet? That's absolutely shocking to me considering some of the others who have been inducted.
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