Billboard Hot 100: 03/09/13

[popbox]

The fact is radio is a part of a song's success, no matter how much some people like it or not. That's why it should be included in the methodology. Youtube hits on the other hand are not part of a song's popularity so much as they are the video's or whatever internet meme the video is currently inspiring. It's a whole separate thing and should be tracked as such. I didn't have this problem with the streaming addition because that is more indicative of the song's popularity. Hits of a music video however are not. The Single Ladies video was popular solely for the dance, not the song.

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Feb 21, 2013 23:12:05 GMT -5 Au$tin said:

^Ehh... I don't think OMN and IKYWT are good examples to use. Both of those were absolutely massive hits. I'd say better examples to get your point across would be "Part of Me" and "Diamonds."

So was One Sweet Day yet the only people who remember it other than Mariah fans are those who followed pop radio in 1995-96.
So many people have said that One More Night was forgettable even when #1. My point was that just because a song is a big multi-week #1 hit doesn't mean it will be remembered years down the road.

Feb 21, 2013 23:12:05 GMT -5 Au$tin said:

Oh, and BTW, it's "Harlem Shake." Sorry, it's just been annoying me all day. I couldn't take it anymore.

Sorry. My autocorrect hasn't been telling me otherwise.

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Feb 22, 2013 0:44:04 GMT -5 popbox said:

The fact is radio is a part of a song's success, no matter how much some people like it or not. That's why it should be included in the methodology. Youtube hits on the other hand are not part of a song's popularity so much as they are the video's or whatever internet meme the video is currently inspiring. It's a whole separate thing and should be tracked as such. I didn't have this problem with the streaming addition because that is more indicative of the song's popularity. Hits of a music video however are not. The Single Ladies video was popular solely for the dance, not the song.

This I absolutely disagree with.

Not the first part. I think despite radio's diminishing presence and usefulness for a lot of people, it's still an important aspect in popularity. YouTube, however, I think has been important for years now. People use YouTube for music purposes only in a lot of situations. There are tons of "videos" where the only thing visible is the album art while the song plays over the background. These "videos" have millions of "views" (plays).
Every time people watch a music video, they hear the song. And on YouTube, they do it by choice. I won't disagree that the music video doesn't play a role in why people watch it. I've watched Lady GaGa videos for the videos alone because I wanted to watch them. If I wanted to hear the song, I'd play it on my iTunes. But the video kills two birds with one stone. I'm not going to replay the song after I watch the video. The fact of the matter is, since MTV, music videos have aided the popularity of a song and now it's finally becoming reflected.

[It's me, bitch.]

Where is the official harlem shake video?

[josh]

There is none. Just an audio video.

First meme video, 16.6 million views:



Audio, 14.2 million views:

[Agent Yoncé]

Wow. I can't believe that actually topped the chart.

[rfucom]

Im not anymore excited seeing this on daily basis. billboard screw U for changing the rules. We might have different no.1 everyweek ahd wtf is that huge gap between no.1 and no.2 song. This will be a bieber and 1D chart or any cute people / weird songs out there. f.u billbord!

[brucelover]

Billboard's trolling is quite entertaining though....changing the rules the week Bieber's single drops to prevent him from getting a #1, and now making a 30 second viral craze the #1 song in the country.

[rfucom]

Most likely music producers will might create songs that they think will go viral than creating a real music that will be memorable for a lifetime.

[Enigma.]

I agree that Harlem Shake's 103 million is an exception but still there's something wrong with the methology when 412k PAID downloads + huge success on streaming means you can't be #1 on popularity chart (add airplay to that too)

[KeepDeanWeird]

Feb 22, 2013 3:20:10 GMT -5 rfucom said:

Most likely music producers will might create songs that they think will go viral than creating a real music that will be memorable for a lifetime.

I doubt that. Charts don't matter to record producers and record companies - sales. Do you think that record companies really cared during the mid 90s when songs couldn't chart because they weren't singles? Nope, if the album sold. It will continue to be this way. I'm just surprised that Billboard didn't tweak the formula when they saw the huge gap between 1 & 2 - especially when you look at TS's other numbers.

[Quixotic Music Lover]

I have been reading the feedback to the changes on Billboard.com as well as Facebook, and they are about 5% positive, 95% negative. I can't remember a change to the HOT 100 that has been so negatively received.

It would be helpful if Billboard explained their reasoning for including all Youtube streams and not just the official music video, as well as the formula to determine the HOT100 positions.

Why is streaming a video on Youtube or streaming a song on the internet for free weighted so much more than listening to a song on radio (my guess it is at least 20-25 times more heavily weighted)? And passive streaming of a song is weighted half as much as an on-demand song. To my mind if you are retrieving a song on a subscription music service you probably like the song, but having a song come on the internet radio is no different then listening to a commercial radio station.

[rfucom]

Feb 22, 2013 4:04:37 GMT -5 Quixotic Music Lover said:

I have been reading the feedback to the changes on Billboard.com as well as Facebook, and they are about 5% positive, 95% negative. I can't remember a change to the HOT 100 that has been so negatively received.

It would be helpful if Billboard explained their reasoning for including all Youtube streams and not just the official music video, as well as the formula to determine the HOT100 positions.

Why is streaming a video on Youtube or streaming a song on the internet for free weighted so much more than listening to a song on radio (my guess it is at least 20-25 times more heavily weighted)? And passive streaming of a song is weighted half as much as an on-demand song. To my mind if you are retrieving a song on a subscription music service you probably like the song, but having a song come on the internet radio is no different then listening to a commercial radio station.

Because 95% of people know that billboards new rule is ridiculous and more than a joke ^^

[rfucom]

So Harlem might be BB year end no no.1. With so much points it's hard to beat it and only a viral song/video can replace it. This is fckin retarded rule.

[nivekwriter1]

Maybe someone needs to make daily Youtube updates.

[rfucom]

Feb 22, 2013 5:38:10 GMT -5 nivekwriter1 said:

Maybe someone needs to make daily Youtube updates.

Can we determine the youtube updates for US area only? What we see on youtube numbers is worldwide numbers

[Quixotic Music Lover]

Feb 22, 2013 5:54:27 GMT -5 rfucom said:

Feb 22, 2013 5:38:10 GMT -5 nivekwriter1 said:

Maybe someone needs to make daily Youtube updates.

Can we determine the youtube updates for US area only? What we see on youtube numbers is worldwide numbers

Well the #1 video on YouTube right now is the UGA (Univ. of Georgia?) Men's Swim Teams Harlem Shake, length of 0:30.

I am assuming that is for all of Youtube though not just the USA.

If Billboard is including the 0:30 video clips, one could argue that "Harlem Shake" is the shortest song ever to top the HOT100.

[Arabella21]

Feb 22, 2013 3:07:07 GMT -5 brucelover said:

Billboard's trolling is quite entertaining though....changing the rules the week Bieber's single drops to prevent him from getting a #1, and now making a 30 second viral craze the #1 song in the country.

The rules didn't change that week, people only noticed it when Bieber got blocked from #1 despite his huge sales. If this change had come along two weeks ago Thrift Shop still would have been #1 and no one would have cared...at the time. This is more like the great Britney/Eagles drama of '07.

I don't necessarily mind Youtube views counting and agree with the comment that you hear a song when you watch a video, so it is killing two birds with one stone. And I don't disagree that hearing a song on Youtube or active streaming should count for more than radio airplay because you're actively seeking out something as opposed to radio, where you can request a song but that doesn't mean the station has to play it. How much more Youtube or Spotify should count than airplay, now that ratio probably could use some tweaking.

[cesarams]

FRIDAY'S UPDATE:
TOP 20:

1. TAYLOR SWIFT – I Knew You Were Trouble: 195.430 (+ 0.868)
2. BRUNO MARS – Locked Out Of Heaven: 165.161 (- 0.467)
3. MACKLEMORE & RYAN LEWIS – Thrift Shop f/Wanz: 162.292 (+ 1.167)
4. SWEDISH HOUSE MAFIA – Don't You Worry Child: 161.408 (+ 0.382)
5. WILL.I.AM & BRITNEY SPEARS – Scream And Shout: 142.482 (+ 0.559)
6. LUMINEERS – Ho Hey: 134.187 (- 0.665)
7. MAROON 5 – Daylight: 125.339 (+ 1.508)
8. PINK – Try: 113.644 (- 1.393)
9. JUSTIN TIMBERLAKE – Suit & Tie f/JAY Z: 106.380 (+ 1.570)
10. CALVIN HARRIS – Sweet Nothing f/Florence Welch: 102.244 (+ 0.699)
11. KELLY CLARKSON – Catch My Breath: 96.122 (+ 0.891) ▲
12. JUSTIN BIEBER – Beauty And A Beat f/N. Minaj: 93.680 (- 2.068) ▼
13. BRUNO MARS – When I Was Your Man: 84.302 (+ 3.349) ▲
14. ALICIA KEYS – Girl On Fire: 82.840 (- 1.561) ▼
15. IMAGINE DRAGONS – It's Time: 80.194 (- 0.003)
16. MAROON 5 – One More Night: 77.461 (- 0.614)
17. RIHANNA – Pour It Up: 75.627 (+ 2.197) ▲
18. A$AP ROCKY – F**kin Problems f/Drake: 75.212 (+ 1.211) ▼
19. MUMFORD & SONS – I Will Wait: 70.738 (+ 0.182)
20. PHILLIP PHILLIPS – Home: 69.309 (+ 0.190)

OTHERS:

KE$HA – C'mon: 67.997 (- 0.491)
TIM MCGRAW – One Of Those Nights: 66.716 (- 0.099)
THE BAND PERRY – Better Dig Two: 64.155 (- 1.000)
OF MONSTERS AND MEN – Little Talks: 62.686 (+ 0.130)
LITTLE BIG TOWN – Tornado: 59.670
CARRIE UNDERWOOD – Two Black Cadillacs: 53.940 (+ 0.829)
BLAKE SHELTON – Sure Be Cool If You Did: 48.864 (+ 0.484)
PITBULL – Feel This Moment f/C. Aguilera: 47.445 (+ 1.486)
RIHANNA – Stay f/Mikky Ekko: 38.704 (+ 2.230)
FUN. – Carry On: 38.658 (+ 1.476)
OLLY MURS – Troublemaker f/Flo Rida: 37.376 (+ 0.347)
LADY ANTEBELLUM – Downtown: 36.857 (+ 0.231)
DRAKE – Started From The Bottom: 34.139 (+ 2.222)
MUSE – Madness: 29.793 (- 0.018)
ONE DIRECTION – Kiss You: 22.758 (+ 0.522)
KREWELLA – Alive: 20.886 (+ 1.447)
ALICIA KEYS – Brand New Me: 17.736 (- 0.153)
FALL OUT BOY – My Songs Know What You Did…: 15.566 (+ 0.543)
LUMINEERS – Stubborn Love: 8.931 (+ 0.073)
PINK – Just Give Me A Reason: 6.687 (+ 0.970)
CHER LLOYD – With Ur Love f/Juicy J: 5.552 (+ 0.203)
PHILLIP PHILLIPS – Gone, Gone, Gone: 3.846 (+ 0.152)
TATE STEVENS – Power Of A Love Song: 0.257
MARIAH CAREY – Almost Home: 0.224 (+ 0.077)

[Quixotic Music Lover]

What the music industry needs is a competitor to billboard, one that is open about its' methodology, even posts the point totals online.

[jebsib]

When the #1 radio song gets almost 200 million audience impressions in one week, how can radio be increasingly irrelevant, or a diminishing presence?? They said TV, audio taping, MTV, satellite radio and ipods would kill radio off, but audience levels are as high nationally as they've ever been...?

[Adonis the DemiGod!]

^I think the problem is trying to get outlets to give up their information to create such a chart.

[Ballroom Blitzed]

It would be awesome if a site like 4chan or Reddit started a massive rush to get the most offensive Cannibal Corpse or Anal Cunt song they could find to number one.

[Deleted]

Feb 22, 2013 3:38:26 GMT -5 Enigma. said:

I agree that Harlem Shake's 103 million is an exception but still there's something wrong with the methology when 412k PAID downloads + huge success on streaming means you can't be #1 on popularity chart (add airplay to that too)

Harlem Shake got a bunch of downloads too (currently only 6% below Thrift Shop on iTunes), and had waay more success on streaming (Youtube). I don't see why Youtube should count for less than Spotify. Artists earn a lot more money from Youtube views than Spotify streams, and both are 100% from people.

People are getting ahead of themselves with the whole "now every Bieber and 1D song will debut at #1". Please... Harlem Shake got 103 million US views this week. A brand new super hyped up Bieber song gets what, 15 million US views in a week?

Imo from our point of view, all this will mean is that labels will maybe try to make videos better, and fans will try making good fan videos to boost their faves views. Personally, I'm happy with that.

[Deleted]

Feb 22, 2013 8:23:20 GMT -5 Ballroom Blitzed said:

It would be awesome if a site like 4chan or Reddit started a massive rush to get the most offensive Cannibal Corpse or Anal c**t song they could find to number one.

More realistically: They get 5 million views and it debuts at #99, lmao. To get #1 without sales or airplay you'd need, what, 150 million views in a week? Just in the US...

Also, people need to realize that this is just in the US. International views do not count... That's (part of the reason) why it's getting a lot of its negative feedback.

[Ballroom Blitzed]

Feb 22, 2013 8:40:16 GMT -5 Codex said:

More realistically: They get 5 million views and it debuts at #99, lmao. To get #1 without sales or airplay you'd need, what, 150 million views in a week? Just in the US...

Of course. I was only joking. ;)

[kc98]

yay CMB is finally #11!

[Adonis the DemiGod!]

Feb 22, 2013 8:37:47 GMT -5 Codex said:

Feb 22, 2013 3:38:26 GMT -5 Enigma. said:

I agree that Harlem Shake's 103 million is an exception but still there's something wrong with the methology when 412k PAID downloads + huge success on streaming means you can't be #1 on popularity chart (add airplay to that too)

Harlem Shake got a bunch of downloads too (currently only 6% below Thrift Shop on iTunes), and had waay more success on streaming (Youtube). I don't see why Youtube should count for less than Spotify. Artists earn a lot more money from Youtube views than Spotify streams, and both are 100% from people.

People are getting ahead of themselves with the whole "now every Bieber and 1D song will debut at #1". Please... Harlem Shake got 103 million US views this week. A brand new super hyped up Bieber song gets what, 15 million US views in a week?

Imo from our point of view, all this will mean is that labels will maybe try to make videos better, and fans will try making good fan videos to boost their faves views. Personally, I'm happy with that.

Thrift shop has more than 100k difference in sales and a 100million difference in airplay. Whereas youtubes for Harlem Shake are only 90million difference...The formula is clearly f-ed up. Why should youtubes get more chart power than actual sales?

[Au$tin]

Feb 22, 2013 3:38:26 GMT -5 Enigma. said:

I agree that Harlem Shake's 103 million is an exception but still there's something wrong with the methology when 412k PAID downloads + huge success on streaming means you can't be #1 on popularity chart (add airplay to that too)

Right. This is the whole point I was trying to get across these past few days. "Harlem Shake" is a huge hit, no doubt about that, but I just don't think it deserved number one last week when you compare the numbers. "Thrift Shop" just seems to have more impressive showings to me than "Harlem Shake" last week. It's almost as if the Hot 100 is becoming a hit predictor than a hit showcaser. A good quarter of the songs in the top 20 most of the country don't even know yet.

[Adonis the DemiGod!]

Feb 22, 2013 10:27:14 GMT -5 Au$tin said:

Feb 22, 2013 3:38:26 GMT -5 Enigma. said:

I agree that Harlem Shake's 103 million is an exception but still there's something wrong with the methology when 412k PAID downloads + huge success on streaming means you can't be #1 on popularity chart (add airplay to that too)

Right. This is the whole point I was trying to get across these past few days. "Harlem Shake" is a huge hit, no doubt about that, but I just don't think it deserved number one last week when you compare the numbers. "Thrift Shop" just seems to have more impressive showings to me than "Harlem Shake" last week. It's almost as if the Hot 100 is becoming a hit predictor than a hit showcaser. A good quarter of the songs in the top 20 most of the country don't even know yet.

and they don't have to know them. The HOT 100 reflects what is the most popular given streaming, sales, and airplay. People may or may not know the songs on the chart. That is not Billboard's concern. However, they should get their chart formula right.