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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2013 17:18:16 GMT -5
Suit and Tie gets a 2 million update. The song has maintained pretty well :)
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Post by josh on Feb 23, 2013 17:23:58 GMT -5
I think it's starting to click with more pop listeners. I have friends who aren't into R&B but are starting to really love the song.
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Post by Heartless Angel on Feb 23, 2013 17:39:18 GMT -5
Sometimes, for some annoying big hits (for example, Justin Bieber's Baby), many haters watch the music videos on youtube just to post negative comments, NOT because they like the song and want to watch the music video. So, it's really a bias.  Sometimes haters listen to a song on the radio. Because they have no choice and are in the car with someone who loves the song. Radio is a bias too. Even if they are hating the song doesn't mean it isn't less popular. It makes it even more popular because it has haters. Popular doesn't necessarily mean "likes". It means "known". |
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Post by cesarams on Feb 23, 2013 17:46:34 GMT -5
I think it's starting to click with more pop listeners. I have friends who aren't into R&B but are starting to really love the song. I'm feeling this way too, I'm not a fan of R&B songs, but I'm starting to like Suit & Tie now. It took me a few listens to get into it. |
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Post by fridayteenage on Feb 23, 2013 20:34:37 GMT -5
I wonder if there's any limit at all to how much of a song you have to hear then.
Like, what if I were a big Bieber fan and refreshed the Baby video every 5 seconds? Would I be able to get it the points for 120 video streams in 10 minutes? Or every 3 seconds - 200 video streams in 10 minutes? I feel like BB should say something about this.
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Post by Au$tin on Feb 23, 2013 20:42:06 GMT -5
I wonder if there's any limit at all to how much of a song you have to hear then. Like, what if I were a big Bieber fan and refreshed the Baby video every 5 seconds? Would I be able to get it the points for 120 video streams in 10 minutes? Or every 3 seconds - 200 video streams in 10 minutes? I feel like BB should say something about this. This is pretty much one of the main focal points of the issue. |
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Post by felipe on Feb 23, 2013 20:49:16 GMT -5
Sometimes haters listen to a song on the radio. Because they have no choice and are in the car with someone who loves the song. Radio is a bias too. Even if they are hating the song doesn't mean it isn't less popular. It makes it even more popular because it has haters. Popular doesn't necessarily mean "likes". It means "known". I think people still don't understand that the Hot 100 is about the most popular songs in the country, not the songs people like the most. If a song is popular it doesn't matter if everyone hates it, it's still popular. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2013 20:55:24 GMT -5
You're right, sometimes that means the same thing, sometimes it doesn't
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Post by Au$tin on Feb 23, 2013 21:07:39 GMT -5
Even if they are hating the song doesn't mean it isn't less popular. It makes it even more popular because it has haters. Popular doesn't necessarily mean "likes". It means "known". I think people still don't understand that the Hot 100 is about the most popular songs in the country, not the songs people like the most. If a song is popular it doesn't matter if everyone hates it, it's still popular. Well, they go hand in hand. If it's popular, then a lot of people must like it. If everyone hates it, then it won't be popular. The only exception I can think of is "Friday," but even then, I think a lot of people did like it because it was so bad. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2013 21:20:00 GMT -5
...did I bump my head or did the definition of 'popular' change one night while I was sleeping?
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Post by WotUNeed on Feb 23, 2013 23:25:31 GMT -5
...did I bump my head or did the definition of 'popular' change one night while I was sleeping? I think the point people are trying to make isn't about the definition of the word "popular", but rather to point out that popularity in the true sense of the word is not what the Hot 100 has ever sought to measure, as it is more about ranking the songs that are doing well across various drivers of revenue. In that sense, it doesn't matter whether you love or hate the song you're hearing on the radio or hearing in a YouTube clip or whatever, because people are still getting paid. |
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Feb 24, 2013 1:15:47 GMT -5
Sometimes haters listen to a song on the radio. Because they have no choice and are in the car with someone who loves the song. Radio is a bias too. Even if they are hating the song doesn't mean it isn't less popular. It makes it even more popular because it has haters. Popular doesn't necessarily mean "likes". It means "known". Exactly! That was the point I was making. |
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Post by KeepDeanWeird on Feb 24, 2013 1:38:15 GMT -5
...did I bump my head or did the definition of 'popular' change one night while I was sleeping? I think the point people are trying to make isn't about the definition of the word "popular", but rather to point out that popularity in the true sense of the word is not what the Hot 100 has ever sought to measure, as it is more about ranking the songs that are doing well across various drivers of revenue. In that sense, it doesn't matter whether you love or hate the song you're hearing on the radio or hearing in a YouTube clip or whatever, because people are still getting paid. The only issue here is that the H100 formula is up to the whims of the editors. Is a YouTube view really worth more than a sale? Is it worth more than radio? \ Remember, it wasn't that long ago when BB trying to weave in downloads basically weighed them double and we saw a period where downloads dominated over what was played on the radio. Then one week, BB decides to make it closer to 50/50 sales/airplay. Did those songs suddenly become less/more popular? Nope just the formula changed. Now more than ever, the component charts are what interest me - the airplay, streaming and sales individually. The cumulative H100 is kind of a joke. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2013 1:38:35 GMT -5
Maybe this will make the trolls fuck off now...
Doubt it, but now I can sleep easy knowing their YouTube non sense is helping my faves out :)
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Post by WotUNeed on Feb 24, 2013 1:52:27 GMT -5
The only issue here is that the H100 formula is up to the whims of the editors. Is a YouTube view really worth more than a sale? Is it worth more than radio? I don't disagree with you here. This is an issue I've raised in the past as well: I'd like to know how much revenue is actually being generated from each component, because I think the weighting should be proportional. Billboard clearly disagrees, because, as you mention, they seem to consider that factor, but also consider others when determining how they weight things. Basically, I think they're smart to keep expanding the chart to consider the many ways in which music can bring in funds for those involved in its creation, but I'd like more information about the reasoning behind the way various components are weighted before I could make a reasonable determination if I agree or disagree with that. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2013 2:20:46 GMT -5
...did I bump my head or did the definition of 'popular' change one night while I was sleeping? I think the point people are trying to make isn't about the definition of the word "popular", but rather to point out that popularity in the true sense of the word is not what the Hot 100 has ever sought to measure Ah, gotcha. I thought they were making the literal argument that popular = most known (this misunderstanding of the definition of popular has been a pet peeve of mine since sixth grade, so it was driving me up the wall lol). But yeah, I do agree that the Hot 100 has never really aimed to highlight the most popular songs in the nation (though the 50/50 formula came close to approximating that). Of course, whether or not one agrees with the Hot 100's intention is another matter, and I think that is where a lot of the disagreements over the changes come in, b/c some see the chart as best serving one purpose while others believe it should measure something else. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2013 2:40:08 GMT -5
I wonder if there's any limit at all to how much of a song you have to hear then. Like, what if I were a big Bieber fan and refreshed the Baby video every 5 seconds? Would I be able to get it the points for 120 video streams in 10 minutes? Or every 3 seconds - 200 video streams in 10 minutes? I feel like BB should say something about this. 1. Doesn't the same thing happen on Spotify and to a lesser effect, iTunes? 2. Youtube only allows a certain amount of views from one person, I think 100 or so. Oh and a question - how much money do labels make from radio? |
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Post by Acid Eyes on Feb 24, 2013 3:50:38 GMT -5
YouTube does have a function that scrutinizes views on the more popular videos, as explained in this video:
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Post by cesarams on Feb 24, 2013 7:24:01 GMT -5
SUNDAY'S UPDATE:
TOP 20:
1. TAYLOR SWIFT – I Knew You Were Trouble: 194.662 (- 0.471)
2. MACKLEMORE & RYAN LEWIS – Thrift Shop f/Wanz: 165.902 (+ 1.346) ▲
3. BRUNO MARS – Locked Out Of Heaven: 164.580 (- 0.064) ▼
4. SWEDISH HOUSE MAFIA – Don't You Worry Child: 160.502 (- 0.805)
5. WILL.I.AM & BRITNEY SPEARS – Scream And Shout: 144.293 (+ 1.266)
6. LUMINEERS – Ho Hey: 131.850 (- 1.477)
7. MAROON 5 – Daylight: 129.017 (+ 1.545)
8. JUSTIN TIMBERLAKE – Suit & Tie f/JAY Z: 110.767 (+ 2.386) ▲
9. PINK – Try: 110.387 (- 2.132) ▼
10. CALVIN HARRIS – Sweet Nothing f/Florence Welch: 103.357 (+ 0.484)
11. KELLY CLARKSON – Catch My Breath: 97.603 (+ 0.975)
12. BRUNO MARS – When I Was Your Man: 89.917 (+ 2.640) ▲
13. JUSTIN BIEBER – Beauty And A Beat f/N. Minaj: 89.824 (- 2.124) ▼
14. IMAGINE DRAGONS – It's Time: 82.679 (+ 0.557)
15. ALICIA KEYS – Girl On Fire: 79.683 (- 0.955)
16. RIHANNA – Pour It Up: 76.880 (+ 0.658) ▲
17. A$AP ROCKY – F**kin Problems f/Drake: 76.279 (+ 0.527) ▲
18. MAROON 5 – One More Night: 75.729 (- 0.536) ▼
19. MUMFORD & SONS – I Will Wait: 71.564 (+ 0.358)
20. PHILLIP PHILLIPS – Home: 68.871 (- 0.649)
OTHERS:
KE$HA – C'mon: 67.290 (- 0.171)
TIM MCGRAW – One Of Those Nights: 66.160 (- 0.511)
THE BAND PERRY – Better Dig Two: 63.289 (- 1.000)
OF MONSTERS AND MEN – Little Talks: 62.280 (- 0.351)
CARRIE UNDERWOOD – Two Black Cadillacs: 54.977 (+ 0.632)
PITBULL – Feel This Moment f/C. Aguilera: 50.625 (+ 1.837)
BLAKE SHELTON – Sure Be Cool If You Did: 49.858 (+ 0.489)
RIHANNA – Stay f/Mikky Ekko: 42.799 (+ 2.455)
FUN. – Carry On: 40.751 (+ 1.065)
LADY ANTEBELLUM – Downtown: 38.100 (+ 0.643)
OLLY MURS – Troublemaker f/Flo Rida: 37.572 (+ 0.088)
DRAKE – Started From The Bottom: 36.062 (+ 0.918)
MUSE – Madness: 30.045 (+ 0.163)
ONE DIRECTION – Kiss You: 23.956 (+ 0.745)
KREWELLA – Alive: 23.268 (+ 1.100)
FALL OUT BOY – My Songs Know What You Did…: 16.965 (+ 0.787)
ALICIA KEYS – Brand New Me: 16.514
LUMINEERS – Stubborn Love: 9.002 (+ 0.043)
PINK – Just Give Me A Reason: 8.745 (+ 1.119)
CHER LLOYD – With Ur Love f/Juicy J: 5.809 (+ 0.113)
BAAUER – Harlem Shake: 5.767 (+ 0.616)
PHILLIP PHILLIPS – Gone, Gone, Gone: 4.555 (+ 0.453)
CARLY RAE JEPSEN – Tonight I'm Getting Over You: 0.624
MARIAH CAREY – Almost Home: 0.381 (+ 0.155)
BRIDGIT MENDLER – Hurricane: 0.303
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Post by timberlake on Feb 24, 2013 10:31:25 GMT -5
What is the new Billboard method
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Post by chartfreak on Feb 24, 2013 11:33:28 GMT -5
I just realized why Harlem Shake is so popular. ..gives white guys who can't dance a reason to dance and maybe not look like a fool
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Post by Quixotic Music Lover on Feb 24, 2013 11:57:00 GMT -5
What is the new Billboard method Billboard has not provided their new formula (for some reason they are now very secretive about their calculation methods, they never used to be). Youtube streams are now included in the HOT 100 formula, likely they are considered "passive" streaming which was 300 streams per chart point. The controversial aspect of Billboard's new formula is the inclusion of all streams that use a song even if it is only 30 seconds long. Thus all those Youtube videos you see where groups of people are dancing to the "Harlem Shake" are now included in the HOT100. As far as I can ascertain, only views by Americans are included. |
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Post by Quixotic Music Lover on Feb 24, 2013 12:02:56 GMT -5
I just realized why Harlem Shake is so popular. ..gives white guys who can't dance a reason to dance and maybe not look like a fool Funny, I think it is popular because there are so many videos in which the participants look like fools. Similar to why "America's Funniest Videos" has been popular for so long. To my mind Youtube is to the 21st century what vaudeville was to the early 20th century, or freak shows were to the 19th century. |
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Post by chartfreak on Feb 24, 2013 12:12:18 GMT -5
I meant more like they wouldn't be embarrassed. .but yes they look like fools.
In regards to my question on Barbara. ..she's not even singing a new song...so nevermind.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2013 13:02:20 GMT -5
"Home" is finally exiting the Top 20 soon! What a great run, and I really home GGG can follow up well for P2.
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Post by fridayteenage on Feb 24, 2013 16:31:16 GMT -5
OT: Rihanna's solo work in music now has won as many Grammys as her solo work in acting has won her Razzies - 1. And her Dance Recording win was so repugnant to certain voters that they overhauled the rules so such an atrocity would never happen again.
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Post by Quixotic Music Lover on Feb 24, 2013 19:55:18 GMT -5
I noticed "Thrift Shop" is pulling away from "Harlem Shake" on Itunes, it is now about 30% ahead, and "When I Was Your Man" has almost caught up, so it could be a short reign for the YouTube sensation.
The amazing sales success of "Thrift Shop" seems to be continuing. If any song has a chance of matching the record of 13 weeks at #1 on the digital songs chart set by Low in 2008, it is "Thrift Shop".
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Post by NeRD on Feb 24, 2013 20:19:46 GMT -5
OT: Rihanna's solo work in music now has won as many Grammys as her solo work in acting has won her Razzies - 1. And her Dance Recording win was so repugnant to certain voters that they overhauled the rules so such an atrocity would never happen again. Wut ??? |
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Post by cesarams on Feb 25, 2013 8:35:40 GMT -5
MONDAY'S UPDATE:
TOP 20:
1. TAYLOR SWIFT – I Knew You Were Trouble: 194.051 (- 0.611)
2. MACKLEMORE & RYAN LEWIS – Thrift Shop f/Wanz: 167.289 (+ 1.387)
3. BRUNO MARS – Locked Out Of Heaven: 164.804 (+ 0.224)
4. SWEDISH HOUSE MAFIA – Don't You Worry Child: 160.082 (- 0.420)
5. WILL.I.AM & BRITNEY SPEARS – Scream And Shout: 145.165 (+ 0.872)
6. MAROON 5 – Daylight: 131.011 (+ 1.994) ▲
7. LUMINEERS – Ho Hey: 129.966 (- 1.884) ▼
8. JUSTIN TIMBERLAKE – Suit & Tie f/JAY Z: 112.959 (+ 2.192)
9. PINK – Try: 109.416 (- 0.971)
10. CALVIN HARRIS – Sweet Nothing f/Florence Welch: 104.018 (+ 0.661)
11. KELLY CLARKSON – Catch My Breath: 98.538 (+ 0.935)
12. BRUNO MARS – When I Was Your Man: 92.404 (+ 2.487)
13. JUSTIN BIEBER – Beauty And A Beat f/N. Minaj: 87.567 (- 2.257)
14. IMAGINE DRAGONS – It's Time: 83.978 (+ 1.299)
15. ALICIA KEYS – Girl On Fire: 77.786 (- 1.897)
16. RIHANNA – Pour It Up: 77.674 (+ 0.794)
17. A$AP ROCKY – F**kin Problems f/Drake: 76.804 (+ 0.525)
18. MAROON 5 – One More Night: 74.814 (- 0.915)
19. MUMFORD & SONS – I Will Wait: 72.072 (+ 0.508)
20. PHILLIP PHILLIPS – Home: 68.269 (- 0.602)
OTHERS:
KE$HA – C'mon: 66.651 (- 0.639)
TIM MCGRAW – One Of Those Nights: 66.290 (+ 0.130)
OF MONSTERS AND MEN – Little Talks: 61.232 (- 1.048)
CARRIE UNDERWOOD – Two Black Cadillacs: 55.303 (+ 0.326)
PITBULL – Feel This Moment f/C. Aguilera: 53.708 (+ 3.083)
BLAKE SHELTON – Sure Be Cool If You Did: 50.388 (+ 0.530)
RIHANNA – Stay f/Mikky Ekko: 45.721 (+ 2.922)
FUN. – Carry On: 42.202 (+ 1.451)
LADY ANTEBELLUM – Downtown: 38.691 (+ 0.591)
OLLY MURS – Troublemaker f/Flo Rida: 38.102 (+ 0.530)
DRAKE – Started From The Bottom: 37.376 (+ 1.314)
MUSE – Madness: 29.898 (- 0.147)
ONE DIRECTION – Kiss You: 24.913 (+ 0.957)
KREWELLA – Alive: 24.705 (+ 1.437)
FALL OUT BOY – My Songs Know What You Did…: 17.625 (+ 0.660)
PINK – Just Give Me A Reason: 9.743 (+ 0.998)
LUMINEERS – Stubborn Love: 8.986 (- 0.016)
BAAUER – Harlem Shake: 6.388 (+ 0.621)
CHER LLOYD – With Ur Love f/Juicy J: 5.993 (+ 0.184)
JUSTIN BIEBER – Right Here f/Drake: 5.627
PHILLIP PHILLIPS – Gone, Gone, Gone: 4.903 (+ 0.348)
MARIAH CAREY – Almost Home: 0.543 (+ 0.162)
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Post by NeRD on Feb 25, 2013 8:55:59 GMT -5
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