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Post by Kurt on Mar 1, 2013 15:30:34 GMT -5
Mariah is an artist in her 40s who held a significant amount of airplay for about 15 years. Why would anyone think that in 2013 she would be getting large radio updates? How many people in the top 20 on the Airplay chart have been around since 1990? This should be common sense at this point. Not to mention, the only format the song has been sent to is Adult Contemporary (and the song is released on a label other than the one she's signed to). Her last AC only single, "Right To Dream," didn't do much either. I think it got sent to pop too, right? It hasn't really had a push (adds date) anywhere, but it is under Cool New Music, at least. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2013 15:46:54 GMT -5
My point was that as much as people here like to shout "AGEISM!!!!" at radio not playing older artists, I think it has more to do with how long the artist has been around rather than age itself. Even the biggest artists don't really have pop-chart hits that extend more than 25 years with the exception of a few but many big names are lucky to reach 10 years. Rolling Stones - 1964?-1994: 30 years Paula Abdul - 1989?(or whenver)-1995: 6 years Michael Jackson (solo) - 1979? - 2001: 22 years? Celine Dion - 1990-2002: 12 years Cyndi Lauper - 1984-1991?: 7 years Duran Duran - 1981?-1997: 16 years Mariah Carey - 1990-? I think it's interesting to look at some of the timespans and be able to use that sort-of average to determine how much longer some of today's big names are expected to stay around. Britney Spears - 1998-? : 15 years so far Christina Aguilera - 1999-? : 14 years right now Destiny's Child - 1998-2005? Beyonce - 2002-? 11 years solo so far Matchbox Twenty - 1996-2012: 12 years Obviously this isn't based on a whole lot but it's interesting just to see how they compare. Britney and Christina have had pretty lengthy careers with relatively few breaks in between compared to, say, Cher, who had many years between some of her hits, or even Michael Jackson, whose solo career was extended by nearly a decade despite only have 3 hits from 1994-2001. So when people talk about Christina flopping at pop radio right now, yeah, it might be embarrassing or whatever you want to say but she's also been around for longer than a lot of big names so it's pretty much expected that pop radio will move on from her. It's all a matter of how the artist themselves choose to deal with that. Change it up and move to a new focus like Rod Stewart or Cyndi Lauper? Keep trying with pop? Or whatever. The biggest spans that I can think of would be Elton John (1970-2000 - in fact he was in the top 40 every calendar year during that time) The biggest one of them all might be Frank Sinatra who last hit in 1980 but was on Billboard's first singles chart in 1940 |
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Post by badrobot on Mar 1, 2013 16:46:45 GMT -5
What spans are you counting? Top ten hits? Or top 40 hits? Or hot 100 at all?
It's an interesting discussion.
Regarding ageism, when it comes to the top of the singles charts, the last solo artist to be over 40 and hit #1 was actually Madonna way back in 2000 with "Music." There have only been 4 other artists since then over 40 who hit #1 and all of them did it on collaborations with younger artists:
-Wanz (51) on "Thrift Shop"
-Maroon 5 actually just managed it as their drummer is 42, although everyone else in the band is in their early 30s.
-Dr. Dre on Eminem's "Crack a Bottle" in 2009 (Dre was 44)
-Jay-Z literally had his 40th birthday while "Empire State of Mind" was at #1
Updated with Wanz, thanks to 2m.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2013 17:00:55 GMT -5
Wanz was 51 when Thrift Shop was #1
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Post by badrobot on Mar 1, 2013 17:27:07 GMT -5
Nice catch -- I had no idea who that person is!
So maybe we're in for an older artist renaissance.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Mar 1, 2013 21:18:32 GMT -5
I was mostly counting CHR/Pop but the Hot 100 Top 40 is another good indicator, and I didn't usually count songs where the artist was a featured artist unless it was nearly equal.
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Post by cesarams on Mar 2, 2013 8:05:28 GMT -5
SATURDAY'S UPDATE:
TOP 20:
1. TAYLOR SWIFT – I Knew You Were Trouble: 189.885 (- 0.692)
2. MACKLEMORE & RYAN LEWIS – Thrift Shop f/Wanz: 169.338 (- 0.026)
3. BRUNO MARS – Locked Out Of Heaven: 158.927 (- 1.352)
4. SWEDISH HOUSE MAFIA – Don't You Worry Child: 156.984 (- 0.386)
5. WILL.I.AM & BRITNEY SPEARS – Scream And Shout: 145.420 (- 0.161)
6. MAROON 5 – Daylight: 139.647 (+ 1.464)
7. LUMINEERS – Ho Hey: 124.311 (- 0.800)
8. JUSTIN TIMBERLAKE – Suit & Tie f/JAY Z: 123.680 (+ 1.326)
9. BRUNO MARS – When I Was Your Man: 105.265 (+ 2.013) ▲
10. CALVIN HARRIS – Sweet Nothing f/Florence Welch: 103.802 (- 0.286)
11. PINK – Try: 103.740 (- 1.360) ▼
12. KELLY CLARKSON – Catch My Breath: 100.873 (+ 0.025)
13. IMAGINE DRAGONS – It's Time: 86.220 (- 0.116)
14. RIHANNA – Pour It Up: 80.995 (+ 0.421)
15. JUSTIN BIEBER – Beauty And A Beat f/N. Minaj: 76.326 (- 2.245)
16. MUMFORD & SONS – I Will Wait: 75.956 (+ 0.877) ▲
17. A$AP ROCKY – F**kin Problems f/Drake: 75.944 (- 0.182) ▼
18. MAROON 5 – One More Night: 72.209 (+ 0.012)
19. ALICIA KEYS – Girl On Fire: 68.546 (- 1.373)
20. TIM MCGRAW – One Of Those Nights: 67.993 (+ 0.701)
OTHERS:
PHILLIP PHILLIPS – Home: 65.325 (+ 0.059)
OF MONSTERS AND MEN – Little Talks: 62.651 (+ 0.649)
PITBULL – Feel This Moment f/C. Aguilera: 62.515 (+ 1.886)
RIHANNA – Stay f/Mikky Ekko: 60.093 (+ 3.085)
CARRIE UNDERWOOD – Two Black Cadillacs: 59.060 (+ 0.817)
KENDRICK LAMAR – Poetic Justice f/Drake: 57.892 (+ 0.399)
BLAKE SHELTON – Sure Be Cool If You Did: 55.367 (+ 1.334)
LIL WAYNE – Love Me f/Drake & Future: 46.917 (+ 0.709)
FUN. – Carry On: 45.865 (+ 0.607)
DRAKE – Started From The Bottom: 44.392 (+ 1.863)
LADY ANTEBELLUM – Downtown: 42.696 (+ 1.103)
OLLY MURS – Troublemaker f/Flo Rida: 38.983 (+ 0.248)
MUSE – Madness: 30.877 (+ 0.380)
KREWELLA – Alive: 28.764 (+ 0.766)
ONE DIRECTION – Kiss You: 25.682 (- 0.079)
FALL OUT BOY – My Songs Know What You Did…: 19.994 (+ 0.524)
PINK – Just Give Me A Reason: 16.412 (+ 1.361)
DEMI LOVATO – Heart Attack: 10.190 (+ 2.690)
LUMINEERS – Stubborn Love: 9.191 (- 0.008)
BAAUER – Harlem Shake: 7.811 (+ 0.551)
CHER LLOYD – With Ur Love f/Juicy J: 6.854 (+ 0.238)
JUSTIN BIEBER – Right Here f/Drake: 6.677 (+ 0.238)
PHILLIP PHILLIPS – Gone, Gone, Gone: 6.321 (+ 0.108)
TAYLOR SWIFT – 22: 3.764 (+ 0.439)
BRAD PAISLEY – Beat This Summer: 2.467 (+ 0.497)
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2013 8:29:56 GMT -5
I wonder if the youtube search result for "Do the harlem shake" counts as a youtube view?
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Post by Keelzit on Mar 2, 2013 8:44:08 GMT -5
What if a video of a baby fighting with a cat, for example, got 200 million views in a week and an old album track by Aaron Carter was played in the background? Would that song go #1 on the Hot 100?
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Post by Rodze on Mar 2, 2013 8:55:22 GMT -5
What if a video of a baby fighting with a cat, for example, got 200 million views in a week and an old album track by Aaron Carter was played in the background? Would that song go #1 on the Hot 100? Better: The video is 1 min long but it has 6 tracks of the album each playing for 10s because someone was searching for one track on the background. He'll have the top 6 songs on the Hot 100. Beatles who? |
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Post by Keelzit on Mar 2, 2013 8:58:41 GMT -5
Legend. :'(
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Post by Quixotic Music Lover on Mar 2, 2013 9:43:00 GMT -5
What if a video of a baby fighting with a cat, for example, got 200 million views in a week and an old album track by Aaron Carter was played in the background? Would that song go #1 on the Hot 100? Yep, and it would get several hundred thousand chart points making it one of the biggest songs of the year.  |
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Mar 2, 2013 10:43:05 GMT -5
Not to mention, the only format the song has been sent to is Adult Contemporary (and the song is released on a label other than the one she's signed to). Her last AC only single, "Right To Dream," didn't do much either. I think it got sent to pop too, right? It hasn't really had a push (adds date) anywhere, but it is under Cool New Music, at least. No. It's only been sent to AC where it has a whopping 15 spins! |
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Post by HolidayGuy on Mar 2, 2013 10:49:24 GMT -5
^But, as mentioned, it's getting some play (as little as it may be) outside of AC. Any station can access a song with ease these days and play it. Remember back in the day when radio played "Into the Groove" off of a recording of MTV? Warner never officially sent the track to radio or promoted it. Then, when it was released commercially, radio played it off that.
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Mar 2, 2013 11:29:27 GMT -5
^The question was about an add date at Top 40 radio. There has not been one at Top 40 radio.
We really don't need an add date lecture from you. We know. #brokenrecord
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Post by Enigma. on Mar 2, 2013 11:59:59 GMT -5
About that age thing: Eminem has been around for 14 years and will be huge for 5 years at least I believe. Also Jay-Z has a long long career as a hitmaker and radio will still play whatever he decides to release.
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Post by Au$tin on Mar 2, 2013 12:02:49 GMT -5
^The question was about an add date at Top 40 radio. There has not been one at Top 40 radio. We really don't need an add date lecture from you. We know. #brokenrecord Actually, the question was whether or not the song was sent to pop. A song can be sent without being given an adds date. Though, I don't know if the song was ever sent to pop. It is getting pop airplay, though. |
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Post by nivekwriter1 on Mar 2, 2013 12:16:28 GMT -5
Other airplay updates (03/02/2013)
LITTLE BIG TOWN - Toando: 61.526 (+ 0.274)
HUNTER HAYES - Somebody's Heartb...: 50.869 (+ 1.256)
CHRIS YOUNG - I Can Take It Fro...: 38.323 (+ 1.418)
KENNY CHESNEY - Pirate Flag: 37.820 (+ 0.775)
MIRANDA LAMBERT - Mama's Broken Hea...: 33.797 (+ 1.244)
RIHANNA - Loveeeeeee Song f...: 30.963 (+ 0.632)
ERIC CHURCH - Like Jesus Does: 22.623 (+ 1.087)
DARIUS RUCKER - Wagon Wheel: 18.289 (+ 0.993)
B.O.B - Still In This B**...: 15.528 (+ 0.381)
TREY SONGZ - Heart Attack: 9.924 (+ 0.604)
ELLIE GOULDING - Figure 8: 3.359 (+ 0.024)
MACKLEMORE & RYAN... - Can't Hold Us f/R...: 3.313 (+ 0.648)
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Post by nighttime on Mar 2, 2013 13:56:22 GMT -5
What if a video of a baby fighting with a cat, for example, got 200 million views in a week and an old album track by Aaron Carter was played in the background? Would that song go #1 on the Hot 100? It depends. What color is the cat? |
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Post by HolidayGuy on Mar 2, 2013 14:17:25 GMT -5
That is true about a track being sent to radio- that's different from an adds date. bigham- no lectures, and I know you'll throw out any snide remark to give it a "clever" number symbol- ahem, hashtag. In fact, what are ya doing here? Haul your arse outta here and get back to tweeting even more recording acts to get their albums certified!  (Disclaimer: My comment is in jest; areyouready and I have known each other for years and are friendly off this forum) |
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Post by Keelzit on Mar 2, 2013 15:17:55 GMT -5
What if a video of a baby fighting with a cat, for example, got 200 million views in a week and an old album track by Aaron Carter was played in the background? Would that song go #1 on the Hot 100? It depends. What color is the cat? Pink. What else? ???? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2013 17:06:06 GMT -5
What if a video of a baby fighting with a cat, for example, got 200 million views in a week and an old album track by Aaron Carter was played in the background? Would that song go #1 on the Hot 100? Better: The video is 1 min long but it has 6 tracks of the album each playing for 10s because someone was searching for one track on the background. He'll have the top 6 songs on the Hot 100. Beatles who? I think the day that happens is the day it is time to retire the Hot 100. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2013 17:24:48 GMT -5
I think people are getting carried away with the youtube thing. In the long run it won't be as bad as people think it will be
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Post by ListenToItTwice on Mar 2, 2013 18:14:14 GMT -5
I think people are getting carried away with the youtube thing. In the long run it won't be as bad as people think it will be As long as they stop counting videos that don't play at least 50% of the song, it won't be so bad. "Harlem Shake" has yet to earn its time at #1 by any reasonable calculation. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2013 19:17:07 GMT -5
If someone plays a VEVO video but turn it off after 5 seconds, does that count as a play?
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Post by Ballroom Blitzed on Mar 2, 2013 21:32:48 GMT -5
Perhaps they should look at how YouTube calculates an individual play (I'm actually not sure if they account for somebody starting a video or finishing the whole thing) and go with that, to make sure everybody's on the same page.
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Post by imbondz on Mar 2, 2013 22:47:55 GMT -5
Not to mention the labels just getting slammed for over counting Youtube views. Youtube had to take away millions/billions of actual youtube views from come major labels.
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Post by cesarams on Mar 3, 2013 8:04:24 GMT -5
SUNDAY'S UPDATE:
TOP 20:
1. TAYLOR SWIFT – I Knew You Were Trouble: 188.989 (- 0.896)
2. MACKLEMORE & RYAN LEWIS – Thrift Shop f/Wanz: 169.941 (+ 0.603)
3. BRUNO MARS – Locked Out Of Heaven: 157.683 (- 1.244)
4. SWEDISH HOUSE MAFIA – Don't You Worry Child: 156.402 (- 0.582)
5. WILL.I.AM & BRITNEY SPEARS – Scream And Shout: 144.351 (- 1.069)
6. MAROON 5 – Daylight: 140.786 (+ 1.139)
7. JUSTIN TIMBERLAKE – Suit & Tie f/JAY Z: 124.986 (+ 1.306) ▲
8. LUMINEERS – Ho Hey: 123.782 (- 0.529) ▼
9. BRUNO MARS – When I Was Your Man: 107.749 (+ 2.484)
10. CALVIN HARRIS – Sweet Nothing f/Florence Welch: 104.368 (+ 0.566)
11. PINK – Try: 102.810 (- 0.930)
12. KELLY CLARKSON – Catch My Breath: 100.208 (- 0.665)
13. IMAGINE DRAGONS – It's Time: 86.400 (+ 0.180)
14. RIHANNA – Pour It Up: 81.265 (+ 0.270)
15. MUMFORD & SONS – I Will Wait: 76.617 (+ 0.661) ▲
16. A$AP ROCKY – F**kin Problems f/Drake: 75.655 (- 0.289) ▲
17. JUSTIN BIEBER – Beauty And A Beat f/N. Minaj: 74.632 (- 1.694) ▼
18. MAROON 5 – One More Night: 71.813 (- 0.396)
19. TIM MCGRAW – One Of Those Nights: 68.943 (+ 0.950) ▲
20. ALICIA KEYS – Girl On Fire: 66.309 (- 2.237) ▼
OTHERS:
PHILLIP PHILLIPS – Home: 64.872 (- 0.453)
PITBULL – Feel This Moment f/C. Aguilera: 64.064 (+ 1.549)
OF MONSTERS AND MEN – Little Talks: 63.665 (+ 1.014)
RIHANNA – Stay f/Mikky Ekko: 62.790 (+ 2.697)
CARRIE UNDERWOOD – Two Black Cadillacs: 59.416 (+ 0.356)
KENDRICK LAMAR – Poetic Justice f/Drake: 58.926 (+ 1.034)
BLAKE SHELTON – Sure Be Cool If You Did: 56.801 (+ 1.434)
LIL WAYNE – Love Me f/Drake & Future: 47.856 (+ 0.939)
FUN. – Carry On: 46.560 (+ 0.695)
DRAKE – Started From The Bottom: 45.591 (+ 1.199)
LADY ANTEBELLUM – Downtown: 43.334 (+ 0.638)
OLLY MURS – Troublemaker f/Flo Rida: 39.048 (+ 0.065)
MUSE – Madness: 31.471 (+ 0.594)
KREWELLA – Alive: 29.557 (+ 0.793)
ONE DIRECTION – Kiss You: 25.678 (- 0.004)
FALL OUT BOY – My Songs Know What You Did…: 20.779 (+ 0.785)
PINK – Just Give Me A Reason: 18.422 (+ 2.010)
NE-YO – Forever Now: 16.516
DEMI LOVATO – Heart Attack: 13.334 (+ 3.144)
KELLY ROWLAND – Kisses Down Low: 12.862
LUMINEERS – Stubborn Love: 9.323 (+ 0.132)
BAAUER – Harlem Shake: 8.282 (+ 0.471)
CHER LLOYD – With Ur Love f/Juicy J: 7.125 (+ 0.271)
JUSTIN BIEBER – Right Here f/Drake: 7.049 (+ 0.372)
PHILLIP PHILLIPS – Gone, Gone, Gone: 6.506 (+ 0.185)
TAYLOR SWIFT – 22: 3.975 (+ 0.211)
C. AGUILERA & B. SHELTON – Just A Fool: 3.731
BRAD PAISLEY – Beat This Summer: 3.073 (+ 0.606)
BRIDGIT MENDLER – Hurricane: 0.388
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Post by hiphopman24 on Mar 3, 2013 8:17:05 GMT -5
Wow, Pour It Up has over 80M AI and is #14 on overall. Wonder if it could pull a Adorn and hit top 10 on Airplay? Yay at JGMAR getting a +2M update!
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Post by nivekwriter1 on Mar 3, 2013 9:15:37 GMT -5
Other airplay updates (03/03/2013)
LITTLE BIG TOWN - Tornado: 61.399 (- 0.127)
HUNTER HAYES - Somebody's Heartb...: 51.606 (+ 0.737)
CHRIS YOUNG - I Can Take It Fro...: 39.378 (+ 1.055)
KENNY CHESNEY - Pirate Flag: 38.577 (+ 0.757)
MIRANDA LAMBERT - Mama's Broken Hea...: 34.764 (+ 0.967)
RIHANNA - Loveeeeeee Song f...: 31.349 (+ 0.386)
ERIC CHURCH - Like Jesus Does: 23.466 (+ 0.843)
DARIUS RUCKER - Wagon Wheel: 20.031 (+ 1.742)
NELLY - Hey Porsche: 18.024 (+ 0.589)
B.O.B - Still In This B**...: 15.802 (+ 0.274)
ELLIE GOULDING - Figure 8: 3.730 (+ 0.371)
MACKLEMORE & RYAN... - Can't Hold Us f/R...: 4.000 (+ 0.687)
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