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Post by cesarams on Feb 28, 2013 8:00:29 GMT -5
The last 5 threads: 03/09/13, 03/02/13, 02/23/13, 02/16/13, 02/09/13THURSDAY'S UPDATE: TOP 20: 1. TAYLOR SWIFT β I Knew You Were Trouble: 191.500 (- 0.618) 2. MACKLEMORE & RYAN LEWIS β Thrift Shop f/Wanz: 168.506 (+ 0.619) 3. BRUNO MARS β Locked Out Of Heaven: 161.551 (- 1.349) 4. SWEDISH HOUSE MAFIA β Don't You Worry Child: 157.866 (- 0.407) 5. WILL.I.AM & BRITNEY SPEARS β Scream And Shout: 145.381 (- 0.269) 6. MAROON 5 β Daylight: 136.264 (+ 1.659)7. LUMINEERS β Ho Hey: 125.534 (- 0.879) 8. JUSTIN TIMBERLAKE β Suit & Tie f/JAY Z: 120.275 (+ 2.979)9. PINK β Try: 106.623 (- 1.645) 10. CALVIN HARRIS β Sweet Nothing f/Florence Welch: 103.643 (- 0.166) 11. BRUNO MARS β When I Was Your Man: 100.640 (+ 2.617) ▲12. KELLY CLARKSON β Catch My Breath: 100.616 (+ 0.598) ▼ 13. IMAGINE DRAGONS β It's Time: 86.160 (+ 0.932) 14. JUSTIN BIEBER β Beauty And A Beat f/N. Minaj: 79.993 (- 2.504) 15. RIHANNA β Pour It Up: 79.807 (+ 0.707) 16. A$AP ROCKY β F**kin Problems f/Drake: 76.116 (+ 0.042) 17. MUMFORD & SONS β I Will Wait: 73.968 (+ 0.986) 18. MAROON 5 β One More Night: 72.685 (- 0.292) 19. ALICIA KEYS β Girl On Fire: 70.979 (- 1.683) 20. TIM MCGRAW β One Of Those Nights: 66.993 (+ 0.639) ▲ OTHERS: PHILLIP PHILLIPS β Home: 66.176 (- 0.428) OF MONSTERS AND MEN β Little Talks: 61.869 (+ 0.144) PITBULL β Feel This Moment f/C. Aguilera: 58.856 (+ 1.838)CARRIE UNDERWOOD β Two Black Cadillacs: 57.502 (+ 0.755) KENDRICK LAMAR β Poetic Justice f/Drake: 56.388 (+ 1.268) RIHANNA β Stay f/Mikky Ekko: 54.407 (+ 3.401) BLAKE SHELTON β Sure Be Cool If You Did: 52.632 (+ 1.233)LIL WAYNE β Love Me f/Drake & Future: 45.175 FUN. β Carry On: 44.623 (+ 0.768) DRAKE β Started From The Bottom: 41.357 (+ 2.106)LADY ANTEBELLUM β Downtown: 40.499 (+ 0.755) OLLY MURS β Troublemaker f/Flo Rida: 38.533 (+ 0.392) MUSE β Madness: 30.254 (+ 0.281) KREWELLA β Alive: 27.169 (+ 0.695) ONE DIRECTION β Kiss You: 25.597 (+ 0.039) FALL OUT BOY β My Songs Know What You Didβ¦: 18.952 (+ 0.413) NELLY β Hey Porsche: 17.111 PINK β Just Give Me A Reason: 13.684 (+ 1.305)KELLY ROWLAND β Kisses Down Low: 11.559 KELLY CLARKSON β Don't Rush f/Vince Gill: 10.531 LUMINEERS β Stubborn Love: 9.205 (+ 0.156) BAAUER β Harlem Shake: 7.272 (+ 0.063) CHER LLOYD β With Ur Love f/Juicy J: 6.429 (+ 0.145) PHILLIP PHILLIPS β Gone, Gone, Gone: 5.951 (+ 0.437) DEMI LOVATO β Heart Attack: 4.941 (+ 2.094)TAYLOR SWIFT β 22: 2.846 (+ 0.369) MARIAH CAREY β Almost Home: 0.486 (- 0.041)
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Feb 28, 2013 11:52:55 GMT -5
Do people still think Almost Home is going to be a hit?
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Post by Get Your Life. on Feb 28, 2013 12:08:47 GMT -5
I'm sure it will be a decent hit. I mean most movie theme songs do quite well on the opening weekend of the movie.
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Post by Quixotic Music Lover on Feb 28, 2013 12:55:10 GMT -5
"Stay" is shaping to be one of Rihanna's biggest hits (deservedly so). It should be interesting to see who reaches #1 first, Justin Timberlake or Bruno Mars. A couple of weeks ago I would have said Bruno Mars, now I am not so sure.
As for the #1 on Billboard's HOT 100, I see no reason to place "Harlem Shake" anywhere but #1 with "Thrift Shop" and "When I Was Your Man" at #2 and #3.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Feb 28, 2013 13:21:12 GMT -5
"Almost Home" should see a sales boost when the movie opens and all that, but it probably won't be a top 10 hit or anything.
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Post by Push The Button on Feb 28, 2013 14:07:21 GMT -5
Mariah is an artist in her 40s who held a significant amount of airplay for about 15 years. Why would anyone think that in 2013 she would be getting large radio updates?
How many people in the top 20 on the Airplay chart have been around since 1990? This should be common sense at this point.
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Post by brucelover on Feb 28, 2013 15:47:43 GMT -5
"Almost Home" is a total bomb, it won't even make the Hot 100.
Mariah's career is over.
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Post by ILLUSION on Feb 28, 2013 18:25:51 GMT -5
"Catch My Breath" should eventually move Top 10
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2013 20:59:16 GMT -5
^You think so? It'll pass "Try" soon but I don't see it holding on long enough for "Ho Hey" to drop below it, and I don't know if "Sweet Nothing"'s negative today was a fluke or not.
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Post by kc98 on Feb 28, 2013 21:12:55 GMT -5
^You think so? It'll pass "Try" soon but I don't see it holding on long enough for "Ho Hey" to drop below it, and I don't know if "Sweet Nothing"'s negative today was a fluke or not. Try will be easy, and Sweet Nothing has had several consecutive negative updates. It should definitely reach #10 within a couple of days
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Post by cesarams on Mar 1, 2013 7:24:33 GMT -5
FRIDAY'S UPDATE: TOP 20:
1. TAYLOR SWIFT β I Knew You Were Trouble: 190.577 (- 0.923) 2. MACKLEMORE & RYAN LEWIS β Thrift Shop f/Wanz: 169.364 (+ 0.858) 3. BRUNO MARS β Locked Out Of Heaven: 160.279 (- 1.272) 4. SWEDISH HOUSE MAFIA β Don't You Worry Child: 157.370 (- 0.496) 5. WILL.I.AM & BRITNEY SPEARS β Scream And Shout: 145.581 (+ 0.200) 6. MAROON 5 β Daylight: 138.183 (+ 1.919) 7. LUMINEERS β Ho Hey: 125.111 (- 0.423) 8. JUSTIN TIMBERLAKE β Suit & Tie f/JAY Z: 122.354 (+ 2.079) 9. PINK β Try: 105.100 (- 1.523) 10. CALVIN HARRIS β Sweet Nothing f/Florence Welch: 104.088 (+ 0.445) 11. BRUNO MARS β When I Was Your Man: 103.252 (+ 2.612) 12. KELLY CLARKSON β Catch My Breath: 100.848 (+ 0.232) 13. IMAGINE DRAGONS β It's Time: 86.336 (+ 0.176) 14. RIHANNA β Pour It Up: 80.574 (+ 0.767) ▲ 15. JUSTIN BIEBER β Beauty And A Beat f/N. Minaj: 78.571 (- 1.422) ▼ 16. A$AP ROCKY β F**kin Problems f/Drake: 75.762 (- 0.354) 17. MUMFORD & SONS β I Will Wait: 75.079 (+ 1.111) 18. MAROON 5 β One More Night: 72.197 (- 0.488) 19. ALICIA KEYS β Girl On Fire: 69.919 (- 1.060) 20. TIM MCGRAW β One Of Those Nights: 67.292 (+ 0.299)
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PHILLIP PHILLIPS β Home: 65.266 (- 0.910) OF MONSTERS AND MEN β Little Talks: 62.002 (+ 0.133) PITBULL β Feel This Moment f/C. Aguilera: 60.629 (+ 1.773) CARRIE UNDERWOOD β Two Black Cadillacs: 58.243 (+ 0.741) KENDRICK LAMAR β Poetic Justice f/Drake: 57.493 (+ 1.105) RIHANNA β Stay f/Mikky Ekko: 57.008 (+ 2.601) BLAKE SHELTON β Sure Be Cool If You Did: 54.033 (+ 1.401) LIL WAYNE β Love Me f/Drake & Future: 46.208 (+ 1.033) FUN. β Carry On: 45.258 (+ 0.635) DRAKE β Started From The Bottom: 42.529 (+ 1.172) LADY ANTEBELLUM β Downtown: 41.593 (+ 1.094) OLLY MURS β Troublemaker f/Flo Rida: 38.735 (+ 0.202) MUSE β Madness: 30.497 (+ 0.243) KREWELLA β Alive: 27.998 (+ 0.829) ONE DIRECTION β Kiss You: 25.761 (+ 0.164) FALL OUT BOY β My Songs Know What You Didβ¦: 19.470 (+ 0.518) NE-YO β Forever Now: 15.956 PINK β Just Give Me A Reason: 15.051 (+ 1.367) LUMINEERS β Stubborn Love: 9.199 (- 0.006) DEMI LOVATO β Heart Attack: 7.500 (+ 2.559) BAAUER β Harlem Shake: 7.260 (- 0.012) CHER LLOYD β With Ur Love f/Juicy J: 6.616 (+ 0.187) JUSTIN BIEBER β Right Here f/Drake: 6.439 PHILLIP PHILLIPS β Gone, Gone, Gone: 6.213 (+ 0.262) TAYLOR SWIFT β 22: 3.325 (+ 0.479) BRAD PAISLEY β Beat This Summer: 1.970 MARIAH CAREY β Almost Home: 0.448 (- 0.038) DIDO β No Freedom: 0.105
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Post by josh on Mar 1, 2013 11:26:52 GMT -5
^You think so? It'll pass "Try" soon but I don't see it holding on long enough for "Ho Hey" to drop below it, and I don't know if "Sweet Nothing"'s negative today was a fluke or not. Try will be easy, and Sweet Nothing has had several consecutive negative updates. It should definitely reach #10 within a couple of days
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2013 11:52:24 GMT -5
Mariah is an artist in her 40s who held a significant amount of airplay for about 15 years. Why would anyone think that in 2013 she would be getting large radio updates? How many people in the top 20 on the Airplay chart have been around since 1990? This should be common sense at this point. Not to mention, the only format the song has been sent to is Adult Contemporary (and the song is released on a label other than the one she's signed to). Her last AC only single, "Right To Dream," didn't do much either.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2013 12:08:30 GMT -5
Not just being 40+ but roughly 20 years (I guess closer to 18?) of generating hits continuously is a long time and will slow down at some point as it does for everybody.
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Post by jebsib on Mar 1, 2013 12:13:44 GMT -5
Sooner rather than later, no matter how awesome the material, older artists fall out of favor with the next generation. It isn't ageism per se, it is who the younger demos can relate to; (their peers, or their parents). Otherwise, Phil Collins and Diana Ross would still be cranking out big CHR hits.
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Mar 1, 2013 12:18:21 GMT -5
can you imagine Phil Collins getting a Clear Channel radio deal? lol
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Post by HolidayGuy on Mar 1, 2013 12:31:55 GMT -5
Mimi's tracks is getting a few spins outside of AC (where its Mediabase audience is only 0.115 of the total). All stations can access a song, if a label doesn't officially "send" it to them. But, yah, in conjunction with age, the number of years an act cranks out big hits doesn't last forever, no matter how successful the act was in the past. Outside of a core fanbase, the anticipation isn't nearly as strong as it was in their heyday.
Olivia Newton-John is a good example- she was the most successful female hitmaker from the 70s into the early 80s- and the hits just stopped coming, even though she was releasing new material. There's no avoiding it.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Mar 1, 2013 12:37:38 GMT -5
Name any act and do a time span of their first and last pop hit. There is a period where it ends. Madonna might be one of the longest I can think of with 29 years. Even someone like Rod Stewart, whose first was in 1973? His most recent pop hit was 1997. 24 years. (As an aside, he's had a successful albums career since then, proving that pop radio success is only one aspect).
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Mar 1, 2013 12:41:55 GMT -5
alright, i'll be first.
Cher's "Believe". 6 decades?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2013 12:45:03 GMT -5
alright, i'll be first. Cher's "Believe". 6 decades? 6? She had Top 10 hits in the 60s, 70s, 80s, and 90s. So did Barbra Streisand.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2013 12:45:24 GMT -5
Aerosmith, 1976 to 2002 (for CHR/Pop hits). 26 years.
If you count Steven Tyler on a technicality, you could have 1976 to 2011. 35 years.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2013 12:47:59 GMT -5
Not just being 40+ but roughly 20 years (I guess closer to 18?) of generating hits continuously is a long time and will slow down at some point as it does for everybody. Mariah's first #1 hit was "Vision of Love" in 1990. She's been around for close to 23 years.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2013 12:49:54 GMT -5
Not just being 40+ but roughly 20 years (I guess closer to 18?) of generating hits continuously is a long time and will slow down at some point as it does for everybody. Mariah's first #1 hit was "Vision of Love" in 1990. She's been around for close to 23 years. I think his point was that her hit-making years spanned from 1990-2009.
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Post by chartfreak on Mar 1, 2013 12:55:51 GMT -5
Can you imagine this conversation in the Mariah thread...you would have been stoned by now.
Anyway...hope this is the beginning of the end: BAAUER β Harlem Shake: 7.260 (- 0.012)
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Post by popstop on Mar 1, 2013 12:57:37 GMT -5
Not just being 40+ but roughly 20 years (I guess closer to 18?) of generating hits continuously is a long time and will slow down at some point as it does for everybody. It's funny that you mention this just when Tim McGraw reaches the top 20 on Mediabase airplay. He's over 40 and has been around for 20 years. Country is way more forgiving on age though. As far as others with long spans that I can think of, Santana had his resurgance close to the 30 year mark. Barbra Streisand has had a really long career, though her success recently has been on the album charts. It's interesting to me that so many artists are close in or at 15 years and still going right now - Britney, Justin, Usher, Beyonce, Christina-ish. :)
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Post by chartfreak on Mar 1, 2013 13:06:29 GMT -5
Any airplay info on Rita Ora's "Radioactive"?
I don't see a thread for it..has it even been released in the US? Anyone know.
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Post by jebsib on Mar 1, 2013 13:09:45 GMT -5
Cher is an anomaly. Her hits had dried up twice (post 1979 and post 1991) and then "Believe" came out. But it was more of a 'one hit wonder' novelty hit that didn't lead to a continued presence at CHR.
Santana was a legitimate comeback; a very strange one, placing vocal emphasis on younger artists.
Elton John and Madonna had incredible runs at pop radio through a myriad of shifting generations and tastes. So did Michael Jackson.
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Post by brucelover on Mar 1, 2013 13:26:05 GMT -5
can you imagine Phil Collins getting a Clear Channel radio deal? lol This only highlights how extraordinary Madonna's career is. Nobody else who started out 20-30 years ago apart from maybe MJ (if he hadn't died and decided to make a musical comeback with some high profile guests) could generate big hype and manage to get that kind of exposure for a new single. And I honestly think she can still get a hit, she just needs THE song, basically another "Hung Up"-level of undeniable smash. Her digital sales were strong the first couple of weeks and the single went Top 10 in almost 20 countries based on that initial interest alone, she is still Madonna.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2013 13:39:30 GMT -5
Mariah's first #1 hit was "Vision of Love" in 1990. She's been around for close to 23 years. I think his point was that her hit-making years spanned from 1990-2009. Yes, I couldn't remember off the top of my head if the last hit was 2008 or 2009 , either way 18 or 19 years is a long time.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Mar 1, 2013 15:26:37 GMT -5
My point was that as much as people here like to shout "AGEISM!!!!" at radio not playing older artists, I think it has more to do with how long the artist has been around rather than age itself. Even the biggest artists don't really have pop-chart hits that extend more than 25 years with the exception of a few but many big names are lucky to reach 10 years.
Rolling Stones - 1964?-1994: 30 years Paula Abdul - 1989?(or whenver)-1995: 6 years Michael Jackson (solo) - 1979? - 2001: 22 years? Celine Dion - 1990-2002: 12 years Cyndi Lauper - 1984-1991?: 7 years Duran Duran - 1981?-1997: 16 years Mariah Carey - 1990-?
I think it's interesting to look at some of the timespans and be able to use that sort-of average to determine how much longer some of today's big names are expected to stay around.
Britney Spears - 1998-? : 15 years so far Christina Aguilera - 1999-? : 14 years right now Destiny's Child - 1998-2005? Beyonce - 2002-? 11 years solo so far Matchbox Twenty - 1996-2012: 12 years
Obviously this isn't based on a whole lot but it's interesting just to see how they compare. Britney and Christina have had pretty lengthy careers with relatively few breaks in between compared to, say, Cher, who had many years between some of her hits, or even Michael Jackson, whose solo career was extended by nearly a decade despite only have 3 hits from 1994-2001. So when people talk about Christina flopping at pop radio right now, yeah, it might be embarrassing or whatever you want to say but she's also been around for longer than a lot of big names so it's pretty much expected that pop radio will move on from her. It's all a matter of how the artist themselves choose to deal with that. Change it up and move to a new focus like Rod Stewart or Cyndi Lauper? Keep trying with pop? Or whatever.
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