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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2014 9:16:59 GMT -5
Nothing against David Nail or his label MCA, I do NOT like the points system that Mediabase has in place, think it's not fair that even David is still tracking #1 on Billboard which is okay as he is more then likely in the lead with audience but now on Mediabase, I think it's stupid that he is still behind on spins and audience but yet is #1 now even though he trails both on spins and audience to Luke but oh ya it's because of the stupid more points reward. Ah, but Luke was never ahead of David on Billboard. On Monday's chart David was #3 and Luke was #4, and David has been #1 on the RTT every day this week (since #1 and #2, ZBB and TBP, began falling right as the week began). I suspect the only reason Luke got ahead on Mediabase for a few days was because his song was doing better on some of the Mediabase-only stations (possibly the Westwood One stations, formerly known as Dial Global), and David was probably doing better on the Billboard-only stations. So, it's completely fair that David is #1 on Billboard. It has clearly taken a bit of extra effort this week (likely a push focused on some of the Mediabase-only stations) to get him to #1 on Mediabase, but this song was going to get there eventually, one way or another. David's label MCA is also a sister label to Luke's label Capitol, so it makes sense that things are playing out this way, but again, I must point out that David never trailed Luke on Billboard...in fact, it's likely that "Whatever She's Got" has actually increased its lead over "Drink A Beer" this week.
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Post by rbundy1987 on Jan 25, 2014 9:30:30 GMT -5
Nothing against David Nail or his label MCA, I do NOT like the points system that Mediabase has in place, think it's not fair that even David is still tracking #1 on Billboard which is okay as he is more then likely in the lead with audience but now on Mediabase, I think it's stupid that he is still behind on spins and audience but yet is #1 now even though he trails both on spins and audience to Luke but oh ya it's because of the stupid more points reward. Ah, but Luke was never ahead of David on Billboard. On Monday's chart David was #3 and Luke was #4, and David has been #1 on the RTT every day this week (since #1 and #2, ZBB and TBP, began falling right as the week began). I suspect the only reason Luke got ahead on Mediabase for a few days was because his song was doing better on some of the Mediabase-only stations (possibly the Westwood One stations, formerly known as Dial Global), and David was probably doing better on the Billboard-only stations. So, it's completely fair that David is #1 on Billboard. It has clearly taken a bit of extra effort this week (likely a push focused on some of the Mediabase-only stations) to get him to #1 on Mediabase, but this song was going to get there eventually, one way or another. David's label MCA is also a sister label to Luke's label Capitol, so it makes sense that things are playing out this way, but again, I must point out that David never trailed Luke on Billboard...in fact, it's likely that "Whatever She's Got" has actually increased its lead over "Drink A Beer" this week. Oh I know Luke never led ahead of David on Billboard which I can see why he is #1 on there right now with the Real Time Tracker, but I dispise the points system on Mediabase as David still trails on both spins and audience to Luke.
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Post by onebuffalo on Jan 25, 2014 10:42:13 GMT -5
35 weeks to #1. Certainly a lot better than the 49 David Nail took Let It Rain to the top.
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Post by churchchoir on Jan 25, 2014 14:01:19 GMT -5
Ah, but Luke was never ahead of David on Billboard. On Monday's chart David was #3 and Luke was #4, and David has been #1 on the RTT every day this week (since #1 and #2, ZBB and TBP, began falling right as the week began). I suspect the only reason Luke got ahead on Mediabase for a few days was because his song was doing better on some of the Mediabase-only stations (possibly the Westwood One stations, formerly known as Dial Global), and David was probably doing better on the Billboard-only stations. So, it's completely fair that David is #1 on Billboard. It has clearly taken a bit of extra effort this week (likely a push focused on some of the Mediabase-only stations) to get him to #1 on Mediabase, but this song was going to get there eventually, one way or another. David's label MCA is also a sister label to Luke's label Capitol, so it makes sense that things are playing out this way, but again, I must point out that David never trailed Luke on Billboard...in fact, it's likely that "Whatever She's Got" has actually increased its lead over "Drink A Beer" this week. Oh I know Luke never led ahead of David on Billboard which I can see why he is #1 on there right now with the Real Time Tracker, but I dispise the points system on Mediabase as David still trails on both spins and audience to Luke. I also dislike the points system Mediabase uses, but I don't think this is one of those cases where the song didn't deserve to get to #1. I think David would have gotten to #1 on Mediabase eventually anyway, and the fact that he is also #1 on Billboard proves that this is a legitimate #1. The label may have wanted to do the push this week in case Luke's song ends up getting a whole bunch of weeks at #1, but even if "Drink a Beer" did have a long stay at #1, I couldn't see it blocking "Whatever She's Got." There's a large enough gap between the current top 5 and the songs just entering the top 10 that I don't see "Whatever She's Got" or "Chillin' It" timing out due to DAB taking a few weeks at #1.
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Post by Markus Meyer on Jan 26, 2014 2:20:49 GMT -5
Thought Luke was a lock for #1 before David. Quite surprising IMO.
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Post by churchchoir on Jan 26, 2014 2:55:13 GMT -5
This 7-1 Mediabase jump is an even bigger leap than George Strait's GIAWGT, which jumped 6-1 but had a much greater bullet and a much more manufactured leap. The top 10 has just been sort of strange lately. There was major congestion that caused song #9 to be getting levels of airplay close to what would usually be #1 levels of airplay, and many songs had very healthy gains each day but still couldn't move up position-wise. This song's run over the past few weeks on Mediabase has been 13-10-7-8-8-9-7-1. Seems extremely weird if you're a countdown listener who doesn't follow the charts or look at the numbers/bullets.
I don't feel this push for #1 was incredibly manufactured or unfair. Obviously, David's label did a lot of extra work this week to get this to #1 before Luke Bryan's song, as indicated by the enormous gains over the past few days and Luke's lead in both spins and audience on Mediabase, but I wouldn't call this unfair because David has had great sales and research numbers and was a shoe-in for #1 anyway. I see this as a "sooner vs. later" scenario. Cole Swindell has an equally big hit, but his label is simply taking the "later" plan for getting his song to #1. I do think "Whatever She's Got" will hang around in the top 5 with a bullet for another week or two, but I don't think David will return to #1 after this week.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2014 3:33:04 GMT -5
There was major congestion that caused song #9 to be getting levels of airplay close to what would usually be #1 levels of airplay, and many songs had very healthy gains each day but still couldn't move up position-wise. When did this happen (#9 having airplay close to #1 levels)? On Mediabase, the #1 songs were hitting 55-58 million back during the latter part of the summer, and we had record Billboard audience numbers almost every week, with songs hitting 45, 46, 47 million. I do agree that the top 10 is rather congested right now, but it's mostly because each 'tier' of songs within the top 10 is relatively close to each other. The charts are usually pretty weird yet in January. David's 7-1 leap doesn't bother me at all, because he's been neck and neck with both Luke and Cole since New Year's, and he made his move on a week when 3 songs ahead of him were about to start dropping fast (Stay, Sweet Annie, & Don't Let Me Be Lonely). I do think "Whatever She's Got" will hang around in the top 5 with a bullet for another week or two, but I don't think David will return to #1 after this week. I don't see this happening. I'm quite confident that, due to the push this week, "Whatever She's Got" will start falling sometime during the coming week. I know David co-hosts Lon's countdown on February 1-2, but I don't see this one getting any more than a single week in the penthouse. I expect Luke Bryan to take over fairly quickly. Thought Luke was a lock for #1 before David. Quite surprising IMO. Based on how the week started, it's really not that surprising. Luke was ahead on Mediabase, but David had the Billboard lead; Luke had never managed to pass WSG on Billboard, and David has been tracking #1 on the Billboard Real Time Tracker each day this week. So, based off that, it was pretty clear that David's team was going for the Billboard #1 this week, and if they could get there on Mediabase, they were gonna do that too. Usually Mediabase is much easier to get to #1 on, but this was a rare instance in which, for some reason, a song (in this case, WSG) was doing quite a bit better on Billboard than it was on Mediabase. Take the charts that came out Monday evening, for example. David was #3 on Billboard, but #7 on Mediabase. Very strange. His spins count was a good deal lower than Luke's (on both charts), yet he was ahead in audience, which is all Billboard cares about.
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Post by churchchoir on Jan 26, 2014 3:49:49 GMT -5
^The week David fell back to #9, he was getting really high airplay. On Mediabase, he had 45-47 million audience impressions that week. By the time David got back up to #8, he was almost at the 49 million mark. I know a #1 song hasn't had that low an AI count in almost two years, but that's unusually high for song #9 or song #8 (which usually hover around 36-40 million audience impressions on Mediabase), while song #1 at this time didn't also get proportionally higher than usual. By "close to what would usually be #1 levels of airplay," I meant that the difference between #1 and #9 got much smaller than usual. I didn't mean for my post to imply that David should/would have been #1 a few weeks ago.
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Post by Marv on Jan 26, 2014 11:32:59 GMT -5
FWIW, 'Begin Again' barely breached the 50 million threshold in AIs (50.381,000 to be exact) when it was shoved from #3 to #1 just 11 months ago with an insane 856-spin gain courtesy of you-know-who.
And as I've previously pointed out, the tunes which preceded and followed it to #1 at Mediabase ('Better Dig Two' and 'One Of Those Nights' respectively), wound up #2 and #3 for the year while Taylor's tune finished at #50, so while this push which got Nail to #1 will undoubtedly result in the popping of champagne corks as well as the obligatory splashy ad tomorrow evening in Country Aircheck, it's yet another 'hollow victory' chartwise to most of the veteran chartwatchers out there since this disturbing trend erupted a few years ago.
'Whatever She's Got' is a mortal lock to crash this week as JHomes expertly stated, and with his next CD set to be released on March 4th according to The Boot, his label obviously wants to get single #2 onto the airwaves ASAP to encourage folks who might be on the fence about buying his new CD to give them more motivation to open their wallets and buy it if single #2 convinces them to do so.
Don't be surprised if Nail substantially exceeds or even doubles the loss of 705 spins which 'Sweet Annie' experienced last week in falling from #1 to #5 at Mediabase; that wouldn't surprise many of us under any circumstances.
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Post by Tylerjamesnerd on Jan 26, 2014 16:33:33 GMT -5
For some weird reason this is like my favorite song right now! well considering I have only liked like 20 percent of what was on country radio last year I guess it really it isn't that weird! I am looking forward to more music by him! :)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2014 19:29:51 GMT -5
FWIW, 'Begin Again' barely breached the 50 million threshold in AIs (50.381,000 to be exact) when it was shoved from #3 to #1 just 11 months ago with an insane 856-spin gain courtesy of you-know-who. And as I've previously pointed out, the tunes which preceded and followed it to #1 at Mediabase ('Better Dig Two' and 'One Of Those Nights' respectively), wound up #2 and #3 for the year while Taylor's tune finished at #50, so while this push which got Nail to #1 will undoubtedly result in the popping of champagne corks as well as the obligatory splashy ad tomorrow evening in Country Aircheck, it's yet another 'hollow victory' chartwise to most of the veteran chartwatchers out there since this disturbing trend erupted a few years ago. 'Whatever She's Got' is a mortal lock to crash this week as JHomes expertly stated, and with his next CD set to be released on March 4th according to The Boot, his label obviously wants to get single #2 onto the airwaves ASAP to encourage folks who might be on the fence about buying his new CD to give them more motivation to open their wallets and buy it if single #2 convinces them to do so. Don't be surprised if Nail substantially exceeds or even doubles the loss of 705 spins which 'Sweet Annie' experienced last week in falling from #1 to #5 at Mediabase; that wouldn't surprise many of us under any circumstances. I do think this song will start to fall pretty quickly, but it's had a very strong run. Sure, it needed a push this week to get to #1, but I think MCA only did that because they were worried about how long Luke Bryan could potentially spend at #1 (and Cole Swindell is also a strong challenger). I'm fairly confident that WSG would've gotten to #1 sooner or later--they just opted for sooner. David is MCA, Luke is Capitol, but both labels are under UMG, so I'm sure that they arranged for it to be this way, and now they'll probably focus on Luke's song and see how long it can stay at #1. David's song here was selling very well and I think it could've probably waited out Luke and not peaked for another 3 weeks or so, but they didn't want to risk getting stuck at #2 behind "Drink A Beer". So, they saw their opportunity to sneak in a week before Luke camps out in the penthouse, and they took it. At least, that's how I'm interpreting the situation. A pretty big push, sure (and these pushes do generally bother me). But this is different than a song like "Begin Again" or even "Give It All We Got Tonight", because those songs weren't going to get to #1, but the labels bullied them up there. "Whatever She's Got", on the other hand, has been acting like a #1 ever since it hit the top 20. Strong gains, strong sales, strong research...I never really doubted this one's ability to get to #1. And of course, it's also #1 on Billboard, whereas songs like BA and GIAWGT only peaked at #3 there.
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Post by Marv on Jan 26, 2014 19:47:16 GMT -5
^^^^My point regarding Taylor's tune was that it was already at #3 at Mediabase before that 856 spin gain enabled her tune to leapfrog 'One Of Those Nights', which climbed to #1 @ BB the same week according to an ad in Country Aircheck last February 25th; take out that push (I'm sick of them just as much as you and tons of other folks on this board are), and Tim would have earned a three-week stay atop the Mediabase chart as he did at Billboard.
I'm also glad for David Nail getting to #1, and I'm looking forward to his next single.
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Post by goodsoul81 on Jan 27, 2014 5:03:31 GMT -5
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Post by .indulgecountry on Feb 4, 2014 20:42:12 GMT -5
I wonder what the follow-up to this will be? My guess is "Broke My Heart" given the songwriting credits -- he has a history of releasing singles written by Jonathan Singleton (Red Light, Let It Rain) and Scooter Carusoe (Turning Home, The Sound of a Million Dreams). Put the two of them together on a track along with a David Nail co-write, and it seems a likely choice. Can't wait to hear the whole album though.
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Post by joey2002 on Feb 5, 2014 2:34:45 GMT -5
Can't wait to hear the whole album though. Sound Of A Million Dreams is still one of my favorites, so I'm really excited to hear his new album!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2014 2:38:05 GMT -5
The previews are up for this album on iTunes now! "Broke My Heart" is available for download (I'm assuming it's an automatic download if you pre-order the album).
ETA: Wow. Album sounds really, really good. Not as many ballads here, but "The Secret" definitely qualifies as one. Seems like a really interesting story in that one. "Broke My Heart" does sound like a potential single but the songs that jumped out at me the most, both quality-wise and with regards to single selection, were "When They're Gone", "Countin' Cars", and "I'm A Fire".
His cover of "Galveston" sounds really good, too. I love that Lee Ann Womack can be heard nicely on that one. Same goes for LBT on "When They're Gone (Lyle County)"...their harmonies are quite noticeable.
I'm A Fire definitely sounds like an album I'll be picking up.
Anyway, as for WSG, it really had a great hold last week. I didn't think it'd be able to keep its bullet but it actually did, managing to post a small 126k gain on Billboard for the week despite a loss of 58 spins. And it barely fell at all today, so it's pretty clear that this one didn't really get a massive push or any chart manipulation at all. It had a strong finish but it was a natural one as well...WSG had been doing well for a long time leading up to its time spent at #1.
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Post by McCreerian on Feb 16, 2014 17:38:51 GMT -5
Is this supposed to go recurrent with the chart update tonight or next week?
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Post by Kentucky25 on Feb 16, 2014 18:05:23 GMT -5
The previews are up for this album on iTunes now! "Broke My Heart" is available for download (I'm assuming it's an automatic download if you pre-order the album). ETA: Wow. Album sounds really, really good. Not as many ballads here, but "The Secret" definitely qualifies as one. Seems like a really interesting story in that one. "Broke My Heart" does sound like a potential single but the songs that jumped out at me the most, both quality-wise and with regards to single selection, were "When They're Gone", "Countin' Cars", and "I'm A Fire". His cover of "Galveston" sounds really good, too. I love that Lee Ann Womack can be heard nicely on that one. Same goes for LBT on "When They're Gone (Lyle County)"...their harmonies are quite noticeable. I'm A Fire definitely sounds like an album I'll be picking up. So far, I see "I'm A Fire" being a top contender for my favorite album of this year. "The Secret" 1:30 preview on iTunes is NOT ENOUGH! Lol. I really want to hear that song in it's entirety.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2014 18:23:49 GMT -5
Is this supposed to go recurrent with the chart update tonight or next week? It should go recurrent on Mediabase tonight. David will still be on Billboard come Tuesday, but not Mediabase. McCreery will finish the week #10 on MB and he should be #10 on BB as well, because even though David will still be in the top 10, it looks like Scotty will be ahead of Houser when the BB chart comes out on Tuesday, even though Houser re-passed him on MB today.
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Post by McCreerian on Feb 16, 2014 18:26:47 GMT -5
Is this supposed to go recurrent with the chart update tonight or next week? It should go recurrent on Mediabase tonight. David will still be on Billboard come Tuesday, but not Mediabase. McCreery will finish the week #10 on MB and he should be #10 on BB as well, because even though David will still be in the top 10, it looks like Scotty will be ahead of Houser when the BB chart comes out on Tuesday, even though Houser re-passed him on MB today. According to this www.mediabase.com/mmrweb/allaboutcountry/Charts.asp?format=C1R Mediabase updated already today (at 1:59 PST/4:59 EST) and Nail did not go recurrent.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2014 18:30:10 GMT -5
It should go recurrent on Mediabase tonight. David will still be on Billboard come Tuesday, but not Mediabase. McCreery will finish the week #10 on MB and he should be #10 on BB as well, because even though David will still be in the top 10, it looks like Scotty will be ahead of Houser when the BB chart comes out on Tuesday, even though Houser re-passed him on MB today. According to this www.mediabase.com/mmrweb/allaboutcountry/Charts.asp?format=C1R Mediabase updated already today (at 1:59 PST/4:59 EST) and Nail did not go recurrent. That doesn't make any sense. I just looked at the published MB charts. David did not have a bullet on February 2 or on February 9. For the MB chart on February 2 (you can find it in the CAW thread) David fell from #1 to #3. He only lost 8 spins for the week but that amounted to a loss of 84 points, and he lost the bullet. Neither MB nor BB will publish their chart tomorrow because of the holiday (charts will come out Tuesday night), but I don't see why David would still be on MB.
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Post by McCreerian on Feb 16, 2014 18:34:00 GMT -5
That doesn't make any sense. I just looked at the published MB charts. David did not have a bullet on February 2 or on February 9. For the MB chart on February 2 (you can find it in the CAW thread) David fell from #1 to #3. He only lost 8 spins for the week but that amounted to a loss of 84 points, and he lost the bullet. Neither MB nor BB will publish their chart tomorrow because of the holiday (charts will come out Tuesday night), but I don't see why David would still be on MB. This is the same discussions we are having at the Scotty forums on IDF. Everyone was expecting the update to drop Nail and no one understands why he didn't. But the chart time says it updated just over an hour ago and Nail was still there. Maybe it is cause of the holiday and the real update will be tomorrow night? Just doesn't make sense!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2014 19:04:16 GMT -5
I don't think that All About Country update is the final one. I would check AllAccess later this evening...it should have a final update. That link you posted sometimes updates 3 times on Sundays.
Nail should be taken off. If he isn't, I would imagine they will see the error and fix it soon, probably by the time the Aircheck Weekly chart is released Tuesday evening.
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Post by jkwaej on Feb 16, 2014 20:47:23 GMT -5
I thought there would be a mention here about David's interview with radio station 92.3 WIL on Wednesday (Feb 12) where he said the next single was going to be "Kiss You Tonight" (songwriters: Jay Knowles, Trent Summar, David Cook). I've heard the whole song performed last summer by one of the songwriters for a charity event. Do you think it's a good choice?
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Post by Kentucky25 on Feb 16, 2014 20:53:09 GMT -5
I thought there would be a mention here about David's interview with radio station 92.3 WIL on Wednesday (Feb 12) where he said the next single was going to be "Kiss You Tonight" (songwriters: Jay Knowles, Trent Summar, David Cook). I've heard the whole song performed last summer by one of the songwriters for a charity event. Do you think it's a good choice? Makes sense if it is, he's been using #KissYouTonight on a lot of his recent tweets. I think it's a good choice, seems like a song that's different enough to stand-out, but not too different for radio to not be able to get behind it.
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Post by rbundy1987 on Feb 16, 2014 21:31:53 GMT -5
Just checked All Access and the EVENING update has just taken place, David Nail is #5 again this week, but there are (2) recurrents they are
Jon Pardi- "Up All Night" Austin Webb- "Slip On By"
Why David is still on is anybody's guess but he is still on as of the latest update. Lindsey Ell returns to top 50 at #49 with "Trippin' On Us" and then #50 is Toby Keith's "Shut Up And Hold On" but both songs are without bullets!!!!
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Post by jkwaej on Feb 16, 2014 21:35:36 GMT -5
I just checked again and David Nail is off, but the date still says through Feb. 8. Scotty McCreary is #10.
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Post by rbundy1987 on Feb 16, 2014 21:39:25 GMT -5
I just checked again and David Nail is off, but the date still says through Feb. 8. Scotty McCreary is #10. jkwaej, where did you see this at? I am looking at All Access as I type this and it shows David Nail is still #5 but without a bullet. Where are you seeing this that he is no longer on the chart, need the link to this please.
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Post by McCreerian on Feb 16, 2014 21:41:23 GMT -5
I'm on All Access right now and Nail is still there.
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Post by jkwaej on Feb 16, 2014 21:43:14 GMT -5
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