Billboard Hot 100: 11/16/2013

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Nov 6, 2013 15:02:20 GMT -5 HolidayGuy said:

It's very possible to sing live and be entertaining. :)

I didn't say it was impossible, did I?

Not everybody sings live nor is everybody entertaining. So many people put emphasis on the singing live aspect of performing but there needs to be some life put into it, unless you're someone like Adele or a solo musician (guitar/singer, pianist/singer, etc).

I'm merely responding to the annoying criticism of a certain other poster.

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Nov 6, 2013 16:31:00 GMT -5 imbondz said:

Alanis Morrissette is always interesting to me. You can't have your debut CD (I know it wasn't really her debut) that huge, and try to follow it up with another successful cd.

Yeah. People say her second (fourth) album flopped but in comparison to JLP, anything would have flopped. Even a 10 million selling album might have been seen as a disappointment.

That's why it kind of surprises me when people expect artists of today will follow up a hugely successful era with another one just as big. It can happen (BSB and 'N Sync had back to back massive albums, for example, as did Mariah and the Dixie Chicks and Shania Twain but they were all very special cases) but it's HIGHLY unlikely.

[HolidayGuy]

I new that was the response to the poster, wasn't implying you didn't know as much.

[lawmak]

Nov 5, 2013 11:13:12 GMT -5 Adonis the DemiGod! said:

Nov 4, 2013 21:21:07 GMT -5 brucelover said:

19. CHRIS BROWN – Love More f/Nicki Minaj: 62.907 (+2.414) ▲

What's up with this? It's not doing anything on iTunes and I don't understand where it got this huge update from.

its Chris Brown what did you expect. The more crimes he commits the better his music becomes. Where have you been?

Ahahahahahah please...let me lov you for this!

[ss8]

^ good points but outta all those names I def. wouldnt rule out Alicia Keys(not a fan but I think shes still def. considered A list and can get a 'pass' with flops/ only a song away from coming back) Colbie Caillet (who is Sara Barallis 2.0)and esp. Jennifer Hudson who is still VERY visible, likable and continues to get media buzz= enough for if the right material came along she can throw everyone for a major loop. The rest are basically sh*t lol

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Nov 6, 2013 17:39:12 GMT -5 Old-school 72 said:

Why is it so bad to say you like a certain era of music and NOT have people jump down your throat over it?????

Oh and singing LIVE "IS" more important to me than someone wearing odd costumes or trying to be sexy . Those who tend to play an instrument and write their own material are what I like from an artist. It shows their creativity and their real ability to be considered a Musical ARTIST!

You can do so without diminishing or belittling other kinds of music. You may like singing live, that's fine. I do too. Nothing impresses me more than a singer who can reach into my soul with their vocals from the stage. But I also like being entertained. Nothing wrong with a stage show in addition to the music. Nothing wrong with costumes and visuals either.

Personally, my golden era for music is 1994-96. I can say that without talking so much about how music today sucks.

I also don't know why having charts filled with artists who have super extended careers is better than charts with more newcomers. I'm not one to say "out with the old, in with the new" but why is changeover on the chart such a bad thing?

Here's how last week's Hot 100 Top 20 artists stack up in terms of years active:

Lorde - 2013 - <1 year
Katy Perry - 2008 - 5 years
Miley Cyrus - 2007 - 6 years
Avicii - 2012 - 1 year
Drake - 2009 - 4 years
Majid Jordan - 2013 - <1 year
Jay Z - 1996 - 13 years
Justin Timberlake - 2002 - 11 years (plus 4 more with N Sync)
Lady Gaga - 2008 - 5 years
OneRepublic - 2007 - 6 years
Imagine Dragons - 2012 - 1 year
Ylvis - 2013 - <1 year
Robin Thicke - 2003 (first Hot 100 hit in 2007?) - 10 years
T.I. - 2003 - 10 years
Pharrell - 2003 - 10 years
Mike WiLL Made - 2013 - <1 year
Wiz Khalifa - 2010 - 3 years
Juicy J - 2012 - 1 year (plus 7 as part of Three 6 Mafia)
R. Kelly - 1993 - 20 years
Lana Del Rey - 2012 - 1 year
Cedric Gervais - 2013 - <1 year
Capital Cities - 2013 - <1 year
Passenger - 2013 - <1 year
Luke Bryan - 2007 - 6 years
AWOLNATION - 2012 - 1 year
YG - 2013 - <1 year
Jeezy - 2005 - 8 years
Rich Homie Quan - 2013 - <1 year

28 artists
9 artists are new in 2013
15 are new within the last 5 years.
6 have been around for 10 years or more.
13 have been around for 5 years or more.

The average career span for those not new to 2013 is nearly 6 and a half years (not including the additional time for Juicy J or JT).

[3m3r7c]

Another up and down update for Still Into You

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Nov 6, 2013 20:43:17 GMT -5 Old-school 72 said:

Ok so 5 have been around a year or less in the top 10..so why did everyone make a big deal about 3 artists from 1988's chart. I think the 80's were the best decade of music. I listen to today's music , I just dont listen to much of what makes US top 40 anymore because half of it just doesn't have that Spark that makes me wanna sing along. Here is the lowdown of the 88 chart
Bon Jovi (now at 32 yrs) (7 yrs in 88)
Escape Club (4 yrs from 1988 to 1992)
Kylie Minogue (now 26 yrs) (just about a yr in 88)
U2 (now 35 yrs) (just about 9 yrs in 88)
Beach Boys (now at 51 yrs) (26 yrs in 88)
Will to power (4 yrs from 1987 to 1991)
George Michael (now at 31 yrs) (6 yrs in 88)
Breathe (4 yrs 87 to 91) lead singer went on to release solo material
Chicago (now at 44 yrs) (19 yrs in 1988)
Whitney Houston (At death 27 yrs) (4 yrs in 1988)
Duran Duran (34 yrs) (9 yrs in 1988)

look at those numbers of years still popular for 8 of the 11 artists. There will always be a few that fade out but not many stick around either having hits songs or Top 40 albums like these artists accomplished.

You silly goose!

a. You can't include years that hadn't happened yet with 1988 artists. Otherwise, we can all assume that Rihanna and Katy Perry (and Britney and Gaga and whoever) have at least 2 decades to go.

b. Chicago now at 44 years? Duran Duran now at 34 years? When was the last time either of them have released relevant material that even their fans listen to regularly?

Plus, with my numbers, I only included years from their hit Hot 100 hit.

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Well it's not an even comparison to compare two different time periods when one of them is the present if you're going to cheat and include time that happened after the fact. Neither of us can look into the future and it's pointless to debate predictions.

Again, I ask why long careers even matters when it comes to chart prominence?

[HolidayGuy]

^Chart turnover was a higher in general in the pre-BDS/-SoundScan era.

[chartfreak]

Maybe we need a separate thread for all this Hot 100 nostalgia charts?

[colson]

Nov 6, 2013 15:47:50 GMT -5 xxzion72xx said:

Well they need to change this rule of other artist featuring....artist with the most SOLO....MEANING ALL BY YOUR SELF....instead of counting it in the artist solo act....if thats fare...then Paul McCartney should be the leader on the acts with the most #1's..and that would be 29 #1 singles on the HOT 100....no one will ever put a tally like that together ever again.

I pointed this out awhile back. I think it should be either all inclusive or just solo. And yes, I think Paul McCartney should be credited with 29 #1's.

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Nov 6, 2013 15:33:16 GMT -5 xxzion72xx said:

LOVING ROYALS AT #1 FOR A 6TH WEEK!!!....i dont see anyone catching her anytime soon with award shows coming up and all.

These songs may catch it:
Let her go
The monster
counting stars
which one do you think can catch royals?

[velaxti]

Leona Lewis, David Cook, Jordin Sparks, Natasha Bedingfield, Ray J, Danity Kane, Jesse McCartney (who released aq new song and it went nowhere), Colby O'Donis, Colbie Caillat, 3 Doors Down, Duffy, Metro Station, David Archuleta, even Alicia Keys cant score any huge hits, Estelle, Sean Kingston, T.I., Kevin Rudolf, Jennifer Hudson

Most of these are still releasing music, and some have actually charted on the Hot 100 with their singles recently (i.e. Ray J, Alicia Keys, Sean Kingston). It's not a bad thing that they're not charting in the Hot 100 imo. They've all had huge success, and are very famous now.

We live in an era where it's not so much about one artist/band getting a long string of hits, it's more about the song, which is why we have a lot of one-hit wonders or lesser-known artists getting all the big hits, instead of the "Lady Gaga"s or big rock bands like it probably was in the 80s.

[HolidayGuy]

Any ideas where Paul Grein's Chart Watch columns are online? The new posts are not on the usual page.

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Eminem is #15,#16 and #17 this week, anyone know the last time one artist was three in a row?

[Adonis the DemiGod!]

Beatles held the top 5 songs at one point back in the 1960s. There wasnt much competition then so....

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This Week Last Week Two Weeks Ago Weeks Title, Artist Peak
1 1 1 18 #1 6 wks Royals, Lorde 1
2 3 3 11 Wrecking Ball, Miley Cyrus 1
3 0 Hot Shot Debut 1 The Monster, Eminem Featuring Rihanna 3
4 2 2 13 Roar, Katy Perry 1
5 4 4 19 Wake Me Up!, Avicii 4
6 0 New 1 Story Of My Life, One Direction 6
7 5 5 13 Hold On, We're Going Home, Drake Featuring Majid Jordan 4
8 9 12 28 AG Demons, Imagine Dragons 8
9 8 15 20 Counting Stars, OneRepublic 8
10 7 9 12 Applause, Lady Gaga 4
11 6 8 17 Holy Grail, Jay Z Featuring Justin Timberlake 4
12 17 19 14 SG Let Her Go, Passenger 12
13 12 14 7 23, Mike WiLL Made-It Featuring Miley Cyrus, Wiz Khalifa & Juicy J 11
14 11 10 29 Blurred Lines, Robin Thicke Featuring T.I. + Pharrell 1
15 25 18 10 Berzerk, Eminem 3
16 67 31 4 DG Survival, Eminem 16
17 21 7 3 Rap God, Eminem 7
18 14 11 17 Summertime Sadness, Lana Del Rey & Cedric Gervais 6
19 15 13 27 Safe And Sound, Capital Cities 8
20 35 46 4 Timber, Pitbull Featuring Ke$ha 20
21 16 16 62 Radioactive, Imagine Dragons 3
22 20 20 5 My Hitta, YG Featuring Jeezy & Rich Homie Quan 20
23 23 25 15 Love More, Chris Brown Featuring Nicki Minaj 23
24 24 26 17 Still Into You, Paramore 24
25 30 – 2 Unconditionally, Katy Perry 25
26 19 23 61 Sail, AWOLNATION 17
27 18 17 12 That's My Kind Of Night, Luke Bryan 15
28 22 22 10 Gorilla, Bruno Mars 22
29 10 6 9 The Fox, Ylvis 6
30 27 27 21 It Goes Like This, Thomas Rhett 25
31 33 36 13 Slow Down, Selena Gomez 31
32 0 New 1 Venus, Lady Gaga 32
33 42 53 21 Sweater Weather, The Neighbourhood 33
34 26 21 22 We Can't Stop, Miley Cyrus 2
35 32 38 21 Brave, Sara Bareilles 31
36 31 30 38 Mirrors, Justin Timberlake 2
37 53 56 7 TKO, Justin Timberlake 37
38 40 42 14 Mine Would Be You, Blake Shelton 38
39 43 39 15 Gas Pedal, Sage The Gemini Featuring IamSu 29
40 52 54 5 Marry Me, Jason Derulo 40
41 0 New 1 Recovery, Justin Bieber 41
42 0 Re-Entry 15 Thriller, Michael Jackson 4
43 28 57 7 Dark Horse, Katy Perry Featuring Juicy J 17
44 41 33 33 Clarity, Zedd Featuring Foxes 8
45 44 43 6 All Me, Drake Featuring 2 Chainz & Big Sean 20
46 38 35 20 Crooked Smile, J. Cole Featuring TLC 27
47 37 37 18 Everything Has Changed, Taylor Swift Featuring Ed Sheeran 32
48 39 32 29 Get Lucky, Daft Punk Featuring Pharrell Williams 2
49 56 62 7 White Walls, Macklemore & Ryan Lewis Featuring ScHoolboy Q & Hollis 49
50 46 40 39 Can't Hold Us, Macklemore & Ryan Lewis Featuring Ray Dalton 1
51 58 69 7 Stay The Night, Zedd Featuring Hayley Williams 51
52 50 50 15 Southern Girl, Tim McGraw 50
53 47 45 16 Aw Naw, Chris Young 45
54 48 51 9 I Luv This Sh*t, August Alsina & Trinidad James 48
55 55 58 8 We Were Us, Keith Urban And Miranda Lambert 55
56 60 65 5 It Won't Stop, Sevyn Streeter Featuring Chris Brown 56
57 63 68 9 Burn, Ellie Goulding 53
58 13 – 2 Do What U Want, Lady Gaga Featuring R. Kelly 13
59 36 28 7 Work B**ch!, Britney Spears 12
60 61 61 10 Sunny And 75, Joe Nichols 60
61 54 49 15 Beware, Big Sean Featuring Lil Wayne & Jhene Aiko 38
62 71 85 3 Stay, Florida Georgia Line 62
63 65 67 7 Carolina, Parmalee 63
64 69 71 9 Drunk Last Night, Eli Young Band 64
65 59 55 8 Honest, Future 55
66 66 64 17 Tom Ford, Jay Z 39
67 62 60 16 Red Nose, Sage The Gemini 52
68 57 47 18 Night Train, Jason Aldean 26
69 72 66 9 Wasting All These Tears, Cassadee Pope 37
70 64 52 16 Type Of Way, Rich Homie Quan 50
71 74 76 5 Whatever She's Got, David Nail 71
72 73 74 12 Pompeii, Bastille 72
73 49 41 11 Give It 2 U, Robin Thicke Featuring Kendrick Lamar 25
74 78 75 10 Bounce It, Juicy J Featuring Wale & Trey Songz 74
75 87 88 7 Animals, Martin Garrix 75
76 76 73 18 Red, Taylor Swift 6
77 80 70 11 Replay, Zendaya 61
78 81 81 21 HeadBand, B.o.B Featuring 2 Chainz 64
79 70 63 19 Parking Lot Party, Lee Brice 62
80 88 94 3 Sweet Annie, Zac Brown Band 80
81 85 97 3 Don't Let Me Be Lonely, The Band Perry 81
82 90 – 2 Rough Water, Travie McCoy Featuring Jason Mraz 82
83 96 – 2 What Now, Rihanna 83
84 77 59 14 True Love, P!nk Featuring Lily Allen 53
85 91 91 3 Friday Night, Eric Paslay 85
86 98 96 3 Radio, Darius Rucker 86
87 83 82 5 Tennis Court, Lorde 71
88 84 80 15 Best Song Ever, One Direction 2
89 94 83 4 Days Of Gold, Jake Owen 83
90 93 98 3 Chillin' It, Cole Swindell 90
91 86 84 6 Team, Lorde 69
92 0 Re-Entry 2 Collard Greens, ScHoolboy Q Featuring Kendrick Lamar 92
93 99 95 4 All Kinds Of Kinds, Miranda Lambert 93
94 92 89 4 V.S.O.P., K. Michelle 89
95 51 – 2 The Outsiders, Eric Church 51
96 97 90 3 Closer, Tegan And Sara 90
97 0 Re-Entry 4 All Of Me, John Legend 89
98 95 87 10 Darte Un Beso, Prince Royce 78
99 89 86 6 Pound Cake / Paris Morton Music 2, Drake Featuring Jay Z 65
100 0 Re-Entry 2 Right There, Ariana Grande Featuring Big Sean 84

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Nov 6, 2013 15:47:50 GMT -5 xxzion72xx said:

Well they need to change this rule of other artist featuring....artist with the most SOLO....MEANING ALL BY YOUR SELF....instead of counting it in the artist solo act....if thats fare...then Paul McCartney should be the leader on the acts with the most #1's..and that would be 29 #1 singles on the HOT 100....no one will ever put a tally like that together ever again.

And all 29 of those songs hit #1 on the Hot 100 between February 1964, when the Beatles first hit #1 with "I Want To Hold Your Hand," and December 1983, when his final #1 song "Say Say Say" (with Michael Jackson), hit the top of the chart.

29 #1 songs in just under 20 years.

Pretty damn impressive.

[HolidayGuy]

There was a Hot 100 and beyond, so whaddya mean there wasn't much competition back then? it was just that the Beatles were that commanding in its chart power.

Paul Grein had done an article on acts who had the most Hot 100 No. 1s, on an all-inclusive list.

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Nov 7, 2013 8:45:38 GMT -5 Adonis the DemiGod! said:

Beatles held the top 5 songs at one point back in the 1960s. There wasnt much competition then so....

What an erroneous assumption. There was plenty of competition back then, the Beatles just steam rolled over all of it when they arrived on the chart. They were that popular in the early months of 1964, when they literally changed the face of popular music almost overnight. They also set off the British Invasion, and pop music in the United States was literally never the same.

[ss8]

like i asked in the Monster thread, if this goes to #1 Rihanna will or will NOT be included? As I also said, its def. more of a duet than 'featuring' lol. So, if they wouldve dropped the 'feat' part and made it Em AND Rihanna, that would give her equal credit? No doubt someone on Rihannas team (either way) is on this like white on rice this very second lol cause this song def. reeks from a future #1. Rihannas versus are VERY prominent and make the song.

[HolidayGuy]

Doesn't she only sing the chorus in the track? The credit is "featuring," so it's a 70/30 split. For her No. 1 count, she would get credit regardless, whether it was "&," "with" or "featuring."

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Nov 7, 2013 9:06:00 GMT -5 ss8 said:

like i asked in the Monster thread, if this goes to #1 Rihanna will or will NOT be included? As I also said, its def. more of a duet than 'featuring' lol. So, if they wouldve dropped the 'feat' part and made it Em AND Rihanna, that would give her equal credit? No doubt someone on Rihannas team (either way) is on this like white on rice this very second lol cause this song def. reeks from a future #1. Rihannas versus are VERY prominent and make the song.

It would be counted as a #1 for her by Billboard (if it happens). But because it is a featuring, she will only get 30% of the points for it, and Eminem will get the other 70%.

On the other hand, according to chart archivist Joel Whitburn, it would not be considered a #1 for her. So it varies based on who is doing the compiling.

[ss8]

Oh and re: Paul Mac, the same exact argument can be made about Diana Ross. MANY of the Supremes #1s were the Supremes *feat. Diana Ross* lol. If the same rule applied, she'd at least be tied or easily have more #1s than Mariah. Even though its not offical (according to Billbord) and prob. will never be in many articles over the years most consider Diana Ross 'the Supremes' and if one wanted to really be technical (between her 12 #1s w/ the Supremes and 6 or 7 solo #1s (one of them being with Lionel Ritchie) she'd be at around 18 or 19.

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Nov 7, 2013 9:12:41 GMT -5 ss8 said:

Oh and re: Paul Mac, the same exact argument can be made about Diana Ross. MANY of the Supremes #1s were the Supremes *feat. Diana Ross* lol. If the same rule applied, she'd at least be tied or easily have more #1s than Mariah. Even though its not offical (according to Billbord) and prob. will never be in many articles over the years most consider Diana Ross 'the Supremes' and if one wanted to really be technical (between her 12 #1s w/ the Supremes and 6 or 7 solo #1s (one of them being with Lionel Ritchie) she'd be at around 18 or 19.

Only the last two Supreme #1's were credited to Diana Ross & The Supremes.

But yes, if they changed this rule, Diana Ross would have the 12 Supreme #1's and then 6 additional #1's from her solo career and from her Lionel Richie collaboration, which would indeed tie her overall with Mariah for 18 #1 hits.

I can't imagine the Mariah fans would be too happy with this idea. LOL

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Whether it is "official" according to Billboard or not is irrelevant.

It is all semantics.

When you say the female record for singing lead on the most #1's, you get Mariah Carey and Diana Ross in a tie at 18

If you say who has the most credited female #1's you get Mariah


I am sure Billboard would agree with both statements

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Most #1's on the Hot 100 under new rules:

Paul McCartney 29
George Harrison 23
John Lennon 22
Ringo Starr 22
The Beatles 20 (as a group)
Mariah Carey 18
Diana Ross 18 (With the Supremes and her solo career)
Michael Jackson 17 (With The Jackson 5 and his solo career)
Michael Jackson 13 (solo career only)

and so on...


Kind of confusing actually.

[forg]

Bye Cups! Great chart run and quite unexpected