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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Dec 4, 2013 15:47:28 GMT -5
Stupid streaming ribbing artists from legitimate #1s No one was robbed Wrecking ball is the legit #1. Lets face it streaming is more accurate information than airplay. |
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Post by ss8 on Dec 4, 2013 15:53:41 GMT -5
No need to be mad Rih fans. The monster will likely go #1 next week and then stay there for the rest of the year with the video coming soon. Not the point. *Clearly* The Monster is the hottest song on radio and sales combined= #1! A lame/silly fan made video not make a song #1! BB reeally needs to clean up this mess lol. Sorry but Id almost rather go back to the pre digital era when most of the songs that charted were only based on airplay. This is just beyond ridiculous and makes Billboard look less and less credible...only more shady. I'm not even a fan of Eminem and only like some of Rihannas songs but this is just not a legit system. Yes, they'll prob. get it next week but they were DEF. robbed a week due to an awful/flawed new system lol. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2013 15:56:34 GMT -5
Here's the thing: people are watching that video because it's a random man's comedy act. Not because they want to hear "Wrecking Ball" the song. The Billboard Hot 100 has always been authentically about songs. Now it's a variety act. He's done other parodies that don't have nearly the same amount of streams, so I would say the song plays at least a part in the popularity of the parody video. This. His Call Me Maybe parody is very similar, yet even though Call Me Maybe was the most viral song/video of 2012, it only managed 40 million overall views. The Wrecking Ball parody already has 66 million after a bit more than a week. People are watching the parody because they are interested in Miley and the song, There's a reason that it's a Wrecking Ball parody that went viral, and not his parody of Peacock for example (album track) which reached 7 million views in 3 years. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2013 15:57:36 GMT -5
No need to be mad Rih fans. The monster will likely go #1 next week and then stay there for the rest of the year with the video coming soon. Not the point. *Clearly* The Monster is the hottest song on radio and sales combined= #1! A lame/silly fan made video not make a song #1! BB reeally needs to clean up this mess lol. Sorry but Id almost rather go back to the pre digital era when most of the songs that charted were only based on airplay. This is just beyond ridiculous and makes Billboard look less and less credible...only more shady. Don't get angry!this is not the first time that bb does things like this!!!!!!! |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2013 15:59:11 GMT -5
Stupid streaming ribbing artists from legitimate #1s No one was robbed Wrecking ball is the legit #1. Lets face it streaming is more accurate information than airplay. but digital sales are more accurate than both of them. Isn't it??? |
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Post by mluv on Dec 4, 2013 16:03:27 GMT -5
Stupid streaming ribbing artists from legitimate #1s No one was robbed Wrecking ball is the legit #1. Lets face it streaming is more accurate information than airplay. Real streaming not some lame fan video where you have some fans constantly refreshing to try to game the system. If it was truly #1 then it would show in other ways like in radio play and sales. The fact that there's such a big gap with how many people are willing to shell out cash for it between the Monster and this one shows it's not number 1 in popularity. All this does is make the Billboard chart look a little less legit. |
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Post by ss8 on Dec 4, 2013 16:04:21 GMT -5
Stupid streaming ribbing artists from legitimate #1s No one was robbed Wrecking ball is the legit #1. Lets face it streaming is more accurate information than airplay. hmm Clearly you're very much in the minority. Basically youre saying a random man (not even the main artist themself!) lol doing a video parody of a song should have more weight than actual legit/ hard sales and airplay  ? |
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Post by icefire9 on Dec 4, 2013 16:06:52 GMT -5
Here's the thing: people are watching that video because it's a random man's comedy act. Not because they want to hear "Wrecking Ball" the song. The Billboard Hot 100 has always been authentically about songs. Now it's a variety act. This entire conversation is missing the point, and its a very simple one. If Miley Cyrus and her label make money off of the streams it got from the viral video, those streams should count. If they didn't, they shouldn't. It's as simple as that. All these semantic arguments about the intent of the listeners are irrelevant. |
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Post by #LisaRinna on Dec 4, 2013 16:07:58 GMT -5
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Dec 4, 2013 16:09:04 GMT -5
If it was truly #1 then it would show in other ways like in radio play and sales. All this statement shows is that you're still living in the past. |
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Post by Caviar on Dec 4, 2013 16:12:13 GMT -5
If "Monster" ends up peaking up #2 heads will roll at Def Jam moreso than Interscope. Wasn't her last #2 peak "Run This Town"? Poor girl
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Post by mluv on Dec 4, 2013 16:15:00 GMT -5
If it was truly #1 then it would show in other ways like in radio play and sales. All this statement shows is that you're still living in the past. Over 200,000 in sales versus 99,000 in sales is living in the present where money still counts. Radio also pays way more than YouTube. Maybe you're the one living in some fantasy world where how much you spend doesn't count. Real streaming like on Spotify and seeking out the actual artist singing their songs also should count as that may become a future source of income for the labels (with the artist getting bupkus). But Billboard looks less legit when it counts videos like these whose main purpose is not the songs. They may as well count all the tickets sold for Catching Fire and add that to Coldplay as their song is playing on the closing credits. This makes about as much sense as that. |
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Post by ss8 on Dec 4, 2013 16:22:09 GMT -5
Watch this become the reverse transatlantic chart history of Love The Way You Lie, where Monster tops the UK Singles Chart, stalls at #2 in the US but becomes a bigger hit in the country where it charted lower. I have faith it will go to #1 when the video's released, however. But Miley has become THE pop cultural phenomenon of 2013 so it's fitting that she nearly ends the year with one more week at #1. That is exactly what they need to do (like asap) and have no idea why there's been no announcement (far as I'm aware) to a release date! Thats really the only way to combat this fools video lol- in the event the videos hype/ views don't slow down in the next week. If there's no Monster video and the songs airplay and overall #s start to slow, while the WB viral video continues to get crazy amounts of views, who's to say this wont turn into another Harlem Shuffle. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2013 16:25:55 GMT -5
All this statement shows is that you're still living in the past. Over 200,000 in sales versus 99,000 in sales is living in the present where money still counts. Radio also pays way more than YouTube. Maybe you're the one living in some fantasy world where how much you spend doesn't count. Real streaming like on Spotify and seeking out the actual artist singing their songs also should count as that may become a future source of income for the labels (with the artist getting bupkus). But Billboard looks less legit when it counts videos like these whose main purpose is not the songs. They may as well count all the tickets sold for Catching Fire and add that to Coldplay as their song is playing on the closing credits. This makes about as much sense as that. No, because Catching Fire is a 2 hour movie about teens killing eachother with a song playing in the credits, while the Wrecking Ball parody is a 3 minute video about the song, that people only watched for the song. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2013 16:26:35 GMT -5
Next week: TIMBER!! please no!let the monster be at #1 for at least 1 week! |
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Post by ss8 on Dec 4, 2013 16:29:29 GMT -5
If "Monster" ends up peaking up #2 heads will roll at Def Jam moreso than Interscope. Wasn't her last #2 peak "Run This Town"? Poor girl Im still w/ most here. As teeth grinding as this has been, The Monster will go to #1 most likely next week and/or when the video comes out (hopefully all next week). Her team/ record company have basically been flawless in possible every way and ain't no way they're not already 'on this' far as how to combat/remedy it asap! LOL |
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Post by #LisaRinna on Dec 4, 2013 16:30:46 GMT -5
Next week: TIMBER!! please no!let the monster be at #1 for at least 1 week! No monsters allowed on top of the chart :kii: |
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Post by ss8 on Dec 4, 2013 16:35:56 GMT -5
Next week: TIMBER!! please no!let the monster be at #1 for at least 1 week! Hopefully you're kidding (w/ being worried in any way about that happening) just like that poster was clearly was lol. Monsters airplay alone plus steady sales (which are still almost identical to Timber) means Timber has a minimal at best shot at getting close to #1 next week. I doubt Monsters sales are going to abruptly nose dive in the next week while Timbers explode lol. Regardless, Monster still has the major airplay advantage and (once again) NO video out yet. |
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Post by musik... on Dec 4, 2013 16:38:28 GMT -5
Watch this become the reverse transatlantic chart history of Love The Way You Lie, where Monster tops the UK Singles Chart, stalls at #2 in the US but becomes a bigger hit in the country where it charted lower. I have faith it will go to #1 when the video's released, however. But Miley has become THE pop cultural phenomenon of 2013 so it's fitting that she nearly ends the year with one more week at #1. That is exactly what they need to do (like asap) and have no idea why there's been no announcement (far as I'm aware) to a release date! Thats really the only way to combat this fools video lol- in the event the videos hype/ views don't slow down in the next week. If there's no Monster video and the songs airplay and overall #s start to slow, while the WB viral video continues to get crazy amounts of views, who's to say this wont turn into another Harlem Shuffle. I think with the sales and radio airplay advantage over WB, The Monster's video release should push the song to #1 on the Hot 100 (and even on Streaming). I just don't think the interest with the WB video will be as sustained and widespread to make it another Harlem Shake. They just have to release it in the next week or two because without the official video, the only way to erase that 20% gap in chart points between WB and TM is to wait for WB to fall in streaming and assume TM's chart points rise and maintain their current levels, which may not happen in enough time to stave off Timber or post-xmas sales explosions. I still have confidence it will get its time at #1 though. |
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Post by #LisaRinna on Dec 4, 2013 16:42:12 GMT -5
If "Monster" ends up peaking up #2 heads will roll at Def Jam moreso than Interscope. Wasn't her last #2 peak "Run This Town"? Poor girl They should be thankful it's a hit cause her last 2 solo singles haven't done so hot  |
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Post by colson on Dec 4, 2013 16:42:26 GMT -5
Everyone is acting like Monster is a Rihanna solo single.
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Post by ss8 on Dec 4, 2013 16:46:17 GMT -5
Next week: TIMBER!! please no!let the monster be at #1 for at least 1 week! Hopefully you're kidding (w/ being worried in any way about that happening) just like that poster clearly was lol. Monsters airplay alone plus steady sales (which are still almost identical to Timber) means Timber has a minimal at best shot at getting close to #1 next week. I doubt Monsters sales are going to abruptly nose dive in the next week while Timbers explode lol. Regardless, Monster still has the major airplay advantage and (once again) NO video out yet. |
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Post by RainMan94 on Dec 4, 2013 16:46:29 GMT -5
It's not as bad looking at the chart runs this year that Wrecking Ball replaced the song at #1 that replaced it initially. It would appear a lot messier if several songs had hit number one between October 12th and now. This is purely just from a chart standpoint though. Just thought it was interesting.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Dec 4, 2013 16:46:59 GMT -5
All this statement shows is that you're still living in the past. Over 200,000 in sales versus 99,000 in sales is living in the present where money still counts. Radio also pays way more than YouTube. Maybe you're the one living in some fantasy world where how much you spend doesn't count. Real streaming like on Spotify and seeking out the actual artist singing their songs also should count as that may become a future source of income for the labels (with the artist getting bupkus). But Billboard looks less legit when it counts videos like these whose main purpose is not the songs. They may as well count all the tickets sold for Catching Fire and add that to Coldplay as their song is playing on the closing credits. This makes about as much sense as that. I'm sorry. I didn't realize Billboard was out to measure revenue brought in by each individual song from multiple sources? I thought it was out to measure popularity of those songs based on things like audience reach? Things that radio airplay, sales and yes, even streaming covers. It boggles my mind how people seem to absolutely refuse the idea of change when it comes to how this chart is tabulated. I'm the one said to be living in a "fantasy world" by someone who thinks they should be able to dictate how popular a song is in the span of a week by refuting data collected by the main chart. That same song that was part of a viral video that was seen by millions of people but just because that video wasn't created by someone involved with the label and probably isn't making tons of money for the label, it shouldn't count. The reason why people are pissed off is because they can't predict the chart and the chart runs are more sporadic than they used to be. All of this bulls**t about "fairness" and proper measuring and crap is worthless when you consider anyone and everyone has, at their disposal, the means to add a viral element to any hit. It just takes a creative mind, whether someone on the inside or a regular person like you or I, to come up with an idea to make a video that goes viral. If anything, Billboard is jumping on board Web 2.0 where it's no longer the artists and the label in charge but a two-way street. Again, it's placing that much more control in the hands of the people. Why is that such a bad thing? |
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Post by allow that on Dec 4, 2013 16:47:02 GMT -5
Everyone is acting like Monster is a Rihanna solo single. Just imagine if it featured Christina Aguilera... |
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Post by #LisaRinna on Dec 4, 2013 16:47:32 GMT -5
I just don't think the interest with the WB video will be as sustained and widespread to make it another Harlem Shake. Let me stream a bit and share on facebook/twitter/tumblr |
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Post by irice22 on Dec 4, 2013 16:49:31 GMT -5
Hahahahaha, I finally just saw this. Lord, Billboard. Stop counting user-generated content.
Anyway, this makes me a little happy because I don't want to see another Rihanna featured credit count for another #1 for her.
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Post by slicknickshady on Dec 4, 2013 16:52:27 GMT -5
Em will be #1 next week. Stay pressed Em haters.
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Post by #LisaRinna on Dec 4, 2013 16:55:08 GMT -5
Em will be #1 next week. Stay pressed Em haters. Same way you're pressed about Queen Miley snatching that #1? LOL no1curr about Eminem here. Get over it. I know you're fuming a bit |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2013 16:59:58 GMT -5
The Wrecking Ball parody has slowed considerable. There is no chance of it getting a second week.
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