Billboard Hot 100: 12/14/2013

[colson]

Dec 4, 2013 16:52:27 GMT -5 slicknickshady said:

Em will be #1 next week. Stay pressed Em haters.

I gather most of the fans here on this site doesn't care if Em gets the #1 as long as Rihanna is attached to it judging from most of these comments. Em was just an easier means for her to get another #1 for her.

This song is still a collaboration, at least to me.

[ss8]

I'll admit that I'm simply rooting for Rihanna and DO very much like the song! In 6 mths it'll prob be as forgotten and tired as Blurred Lines which I though I'd never stop loving or get over but cant listen to it anymore and havent even thought about it in months lol.

[jayhawk1117]

Dec 4, 2013 16:15:00 GMT -5 mluv said:

Dec 4, 2013 16:09:04 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

      
All this statement shows is that you're still living in the past.

Over 200,000 in sales  versus  99,000 in sales is living in the present where money still counts.  Radio also pays way more than YouTube.  Maybe you're the one living in some fantasy world  where how much you spend doesn't count.  Real streaming like on Spotify and seeking out the actual artist singing their songs  also should count as that may become a future source of income for the labels (with the artist getting bupkus).  But Billboard looks less legit when it counts videos like these whose main purpose is not the songs.  

They may as well count all the tickets sold for Catching Fire and add that to Coldplay as their song is playing on the closing credits. This makes about as much sense as that.     

Coldplay made no money from people hearing it but Miley and her people did in the video, its as simple as that. If the company makes money off of a video because their song is played then it will count as streaming. Is it a flawless system? No it isn't but BB just has to smooth out the edges of the system

[jayhawk1117]

I don't know why but part of me feels like curveball will be thrown in timber's favor next week.

[colson]

^No. Just like others, you are just paranoid right now. ;)

[Old-school 72]

I am so glad Miley has returned to the top, no matter how it was done. I am not a fan of "love the way you lie part 6". Eminem has better songs on his new album if anything Survival should have been #1 .
Next week "Bound 2" will go #1 or "Timber" . I kinda believe that "The Monster" wont hit til the video is released.
I haven't been a fan of the Billboard charts for about 3 yrs now. But it's a hobby of mine that I started collecting when I was 15 in 1988.
I like the fact that it's harder to predict the charts because of all the data used. So it's more a surprise when a song makes a huge jump out of nowhere or re enters.

[Old-school 72]

One more thing...so many are saying "wrecking ball" isn't the biggest song in the country right now. Yet I hear that and Royals on the radio so much more than "The Monster". So if anything , "royals" either deserved that 10th week or Miley movin back up...either way "The Monster" is not and was not the most popular throughout the country. ONLY ON YOUR IPOD! Try a variety of music sometime, there are actually better songs and Female artists out there.

[SuperTrouper]

Dec 4, 2013 15:56:34 GMT -5 Codex said:

Dec 4, 2013 15:27:02 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

He's done other parodies that don't have nearly the same amount of streams, so I would say the song plays at least a part in the popularity of the parody video.

This. His Call Me Maybe parody is very similar, yet even though Call Me Maybe was the most viral song/video of 2012, it only managed 40 million overall views. The Wrecking Ball parody already has 66 million after a bit more than a week. People are watching the parody because they are interested in Miley and the song, There's a reason that it's a Wrecking Ball parody that went viral, and not his parody of Peacock for example (album track) which reached 7 million views in 3 years.

Yes, and the reason "Wrecking Ball" video went viral was Miley Cyrus being naked.

The reason the parody video went viral was a grown man imitating Miley Cyrus being naked.

Interest in the song played very little role in both viral cases.



I should add that I think it is fair. The song is heard, whether you like it or not. Exact same thing as radio airplay. I was more up in arms over "Harlem Shake", but that was a different case where Billboard counted 30 second clips of the song as full listens.

[Kris]

bulls**t miley is #1

probably sleeping with billboard writers at the rate she's going 

[ss8]

As I said in an earlier post Rihannas team has this all down to a science. Theyve made Mimi, Sony and Motolla almost look lightweight w/ working the system. Its not even a question whether they know what to do or not. Even w/ out the video, the #s (so far) and still there for this to hit #1, but theyre prob working around the clock yet *carefully* on this video to make sure it makes the impact (aka something controversial whether its nudity or 'something' that'll make it stand out) 200% to accelerate this song and give it more than enough points to finally hit #1 (possibly for many weeks)! lol Just my very strong gut feeling.People keep forgetting this has only been out about a month! lol It's still a new song! Rapidly growing on radio, still selling 'enough' and NO video!  

[HolidayGuy]

I wonder whose idea it was to change the "featuring" to "and" for "Say Something." probably at the request of Aguilera's label, I'd think. I mean, either way, it counts as a hit- for all-time-list purposes, it gives her 50% of the points the track accumulates from its week-to-week performance, rather than 30%.

[brady24]

Dec 4, 2013 14:38:24 GMT -5 maxsultan said:

Miley just tweeted that Wrecking Ball is #1.

Pretty neat chart run after it's debut at #1. Held off the top spot for 9 weeks by one monster song, only to dethrone it. 

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[slamina]

lol didnt see that coming. good 4 ha.

[Rocky]

Dec 4, 2013 18:59:05 GMT -5 brady24 said:

Dec 4, 2013 14:38:24 GMT -5 maxsultan said:

Miley just tweeted that Wrecking Ball is #1.

Pretty neat chart run after it's debut at #1. Held off the top spot for 9 weeks by one monster song, only to dethrone it. 

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It didn't debut at #1.

[mluv]

Dec 4, 2013 18:25:06 GMT -5 HolidayGuy said:

I wonder whose idea it was to change the "featuring" to "and" for "Say Something." probably at the request of Aguilera's label, I'd think. I mean, either way, it counts as a hit- for all-time-list purposes, it gives her 50% of the points the track accumulates from its week-to-week performance, rather than 30%.

It's funny how she gets more credit for this song  and she doesn't even have a solo on it.  I think A Great Big World is just very, very  new to the music biz--the two guys got together  to write music I think just this year.  They're probably willing to do anything,  say anything  to get  heard. Later on they may regret it but they're riding a wave because of it. They're  scheduled to do one of those New Years Eve specials already.   This is a stepping stone for them and Christina gets to take some credit and help her own career in the process. It's probably a win for both of them. 

[3m3r7c]

Anyone else have a feeling "Sail" is about to have a major tumble on the hot 100 tomorrow?

[Deleted]

Dec 4, 2013 19:03:42 GMT -5 Rocky said:

Dec 4, 2013 18:59:05 GMT -5 brady24 said:

Pretty neat chart run after it's debut at #1. Held off the top spot for 9 weeks by one monster song, only to dethrone it. 

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It didn't debut at #1.

In fact, it didn't hit #1 until week 4

[KeepDeanWeird]

Dec 4, 2013 17:33:05 GMT -5 jayhawk1117 said:

I don't know why but part of me feels like curveball will be thrown in timber's favor next week.

Timber is, after all, the best selling single in the country. Surely, that counts more than prefabbed radio lists? If streaming should be discounted then so should radio (even more so because the listener's only option is to switch stations). Plus, what about ratios? Remember when digital sales were included it was nearly a 2:1 ratio (sales to airplay) because digital was in its infancy. Well, it was only about three years when the charts became completely distorted. Then one week it was closer to 1:1. So what is legitimate?

I'm glad Billboard added streaming. It's too bad they didn't add video play back in the MTV days. That was truly the driver of music during the 1980s. It was reflected in album sales and eventually radio caught on.

[wigglytooth21]

Dec 4, 2013 20:49:50 GMT -5 KeepDeanWeird said:

Dec 4, 2013 17:33:05 GMT -5 jayhawk1117 said:

I don't know why but part of me feels like curveball will be thrown in timber's favor next week.

Timber is, after all, the best selling single in the country. Surely, that counts more than prefabbed radio lists? If streaming should be discounted then so should radio (even more so because the listener's only option is to switch stations). Plus, what about ratios? Remember when digital sales were included it was nearly a 2:1 ratio (sales to airplay) because digital was in its infancy. Well, it was only about three years when the charts became completely distorted. Then one week it was closer to 1:1. So what is legitimate?

I'm glad Billboard added streaming. It's too bad they didn't add video play back in the MTV days. That was truly the driver of music during the 1980s. It was reflected in album sales and eventually radio caught on.

Whoa! Imagine how many number 1's Madonna could have had back in the 80's had this been implemented?

[ss8]

people keep forgetting though that there are 2 versions of The Monster in the top 100 iTunes songs. When you add up its two versions, its basically tied at #1 w/ Timber. Long as radio and the sales at least stay steady enough and they get that damn video out it will hit #1. Now that sales look like they may have peaked that video is reeally essential now. Dunno what the hell theyre doing/waiting for? lol

[KeepDeanWeird]

Dec 4, 2013 21:15:37 GMT -5 ss8 said:

people keep forgetting though that there are 2 versions of The Monster in the top 100 iTunes songs. When you add up its two versions, its basically tied at #1 w/ Timber. Long as radio and the sales at least stay steady enough and they get that damn video out it will hit #1. Now that sales look like they may have peaked that video is reeally essential now. Dunno what the hell theyre doing/waiting for? lol

Right now Em is quite content with the album sales. They'll put it out next week for that big holiday push. Em is not concerned about getting another #1 single, it's albums, baby!

[mkemusic]

Dec 4, 2013 20:07:57 GMT -5 @2m said:

Dec 4, 2013 19:03:42 GMT -5 Rocky said:

It didn't debut at #1.

In fact, it didn't hit #1 until week 4

Original poster said:

Pretty neat chart run after it's debut at #1

[velaxti]

Dec 4, 2013 19:34:30 GMT -5 mluv said:

Dec 4, 2013 18:25:06 GMT -5 HolidayGuy said:

I wonder whose idea it was to change the "featuring" to "and" for "Say Something." probably at the request of Aguilera's label, I'd think. I mean, either way, it counts as a hit- for all-time-list purposes, it gives her 50% of the points the track accumulates from its week-to-week performance, rather than 30%.

It's funny how she gets more credit for this song  and she doesn't even have a solo on it.  I think A Great Big World is just very, very  new to the music biz--the two guys got together  to write music I think just this year.  They're probably willing to do anything,  say anything  to get  heard. Later on they may regret it but they're riding a wave because of it. They're  scheduled to do one of those New Years Eve specials already.   This is a stepping stone for them and Christina gets to take some credit and help her own career in the process. It's probably a win for both of them. 

It's maybe like Apologize, all Timbaland did in the song was some beat-boxing in the background and adding some reverb and a few drums, but the song might not have been as successful without his name attached to it.

[HolidayGuy]

I see the cover art for "Say Something" does have "and"; not sure if it's been that from the start.

velaxti- I could see that if it were a red-hot act, but Aguilera hasn't been scoring notable hits as a lead act for some time. Unless she's become the female Pitbull or something in the collaboration world.

[Deleted]

Let's not kid ourselves. For most of the posters bitching about Miley here, this is not about Eminem being kept from getting his next #1 hit, this is about Miley keeping Rihanna from getting her 13th* number one hit. Because when that happens, she will be as great as Michael Jackson or something(I actually saw a Rihanna fan say this on twitter, I kid you not).

* 10 of which she was lead on, and 3 that she was only featured on.

[felipe]

Dec 4, 2013 18:25:06 GMT -5 HolidayGuy said:

I wonder whose idea it was to change the "featuring" to "and" for "Say Something." probably at the request of Aguilera's label, I'd think. I mean, either way, it counts as a hit- for all-time-list purposes, it gives her 50% of the points the track accumulates from its week-to-week performance, rather than 30%.

And what do these points mean in the end? I understand that for someone like Rihanna these points could help her in a year-end list, but what could they possibly do for Aguilera?

[TylerG11]

Honestly I can't stand Rihanna. Hater gonna hate. But I really love the The Monster.

As far as Miley, she got #1 this week which kinda kills me a little. But everyone was watching the video so it definitely was the #1 song this week. It may be a fan video, but as others have mentioned it features 99% of the song, and people watched because of the song (and undoubtfully all the controversy behind the song and the official video).

The Monster will go #1 at some point, at least for a couple of weeks.

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Dec 4, 2013 21:35:18 GMT -5 velaxti said:

It's maybe like Apologize, all Timbaland did in the song was some beat-boxing in the background and adding some reverb and a few drums, but the song might not have been as successful without his name attached to it.

Yeah... no.

I'm not going to defend Timbaland because I don't know what he does but there's more to production than what you mentioned.

Don't let ignorance interfere with a good argument point. :)

[summers]

Hahaha. I love this week's chart!

I think it was fair that the parody video was counted towards the points for Hot 100. It is a video of a man parodying the Music Video of the song, with the full song playing. So yeah, I might have issues with Harlem Shake getting #1 just from 30 seconds or something video, but I think this one is legit. I think this week, Wrecking Ball is the most popular song in the country.

Next week would be interesting though. This week Wrecking Ball leads with 20% point difference, so if streaming doesn't fall to hard, it has a chance to stay at the top. And then there's Timber, which may cause an upset. Interesting times!

[Au$tin]

Dec 4, 2013 15:59:11 GMT -5 @smirjal said:

Dec 4, 2013 15:47:28 GMT -5 Adonis the DemiGod! said:

No one was robbed Wrecking ball is the legit #1. Lets face it streaming is more accurate information than airplay.

but digital sales are more accurate than both of them. Isn't it???

No. I may download a song one week, but I may not actually listen to it the most for another six weeks later. The song was more popular with me six weeks after I downloaded it. We all need to realize that all three components of the chart ARE needed and they are all equally important for many different reasons. Airplay gives us what people are hearing, digital sales give us what people are purchasing, and streaming gives us what people are listening to. I was against how Harlem Shake got to number one, but looking back, I'm not anymore. It's a very similar situation to Wrecking Ball this week. People did watch the video for the comedy, but the comedy would not have been as prevelant had it been a different song. Say Counting Stars was used in this video instead of Wrecking Ball or Locked Out of Heaven was used in the dance videos instead of Harlem Shake. Those videos just would not have been as popular as the song choice did lead to the popularity of said videos. I say let it count. What shouldn't count are those videos that clearly have nothing to do with the song like Livin' on a Prayer or Get Me Bodied.