Adam Lambert - "Ghost Town"

[jjose712]

May 23, 2015 17:54:23 GMT -5 SPRΞΞ said:

May 23, 2015 7:15:06 GMT -5 jjose712 said:

I'm a little tired of a lot of rising song awful updates due to Maroon 5 and Taylor's new singles. Frankly such love fest for fourth singles is a little too much in my opinion

Welcome to corporate America!

Well, i understand that they are radio darlings, big artist and all that, but such a fuss for a fourth single (in both cases) it's a little too much.
The fact that Bad Blood is the worst of Taylor's recent singles (in my opinion, of course) don't help either. It's really amazing her star power, all she needed was a bunch of celebrity cameos for her video (which is very far from being one of her best) and everything exploded.
Anyway, the chart should be back to normal soon.

Now Ghost town is comfortable around 170 (which is far better than 240), i think with some promo or more airplay it will be closer to the top 100 (hopefully it will be soon)

[graffeodl]

POP
40 38 ADAM LAMBERT Ghost Town 1417 1267 150 6.386

+46 Spins
-33 Bullet
+0.173 Audience

HAC
29 30 ADAM LAMBERT Ghost Town 901 765 136 3.666
+7 spins
-34 bullet
-0.021 AI

[jjose712]

It seems that he continued to do well on Finland, the song is top 20 on itunes (even with the tons of eurovision songs in the chart)

[nick64]

May 24, 2015 6:01:24 GMT -5 jjose712 said:

May 23, 2015 17:54:23 GMT -5 SPRΞΞ said:

Welcome to corporate America!

Well, i understand that they are radio darlings, big artist and all that, but such a fuss for a fourth single (in both cases) it's a little too much.
The fact that Bad Blood is the worst of Taylor's recent singles (in my opinion, of course) don't help either. It's really amazing her star power, all she needed was a bunch of celebrity cameos for her video (which is very far from being one of her best) and everything exploded.
Anyway, the chart should be back to normal soon.

Now Ghost town is comfortable around 170 (which is far better than 240), i think with some promo or more airplay it will be closer to the top 100 (hopefully it will be soon)

I get what you're saying, but these aren't really traditional fourth singles. "This Summer's Gonna Hurt Like A MotherFucker" is a lead single from a re-release, meaning it's just as new to everyone as "Maps" was, so it's understandable that radio will play it hard because of hype. "Bad Blood" isn't a new song, but the remix is new and it changes it quite a bit. Plus, the song is basically being promoted like a lead single, and with all the hype from the video and the remix sales, it's understandable that radio will want to get in on the action too.

[graffeodl]

POP
40 38 ADAM LAMBERT Ghost Town 1406 1275 131 6.365

-11 Spins
-19 Bullet
-0.021 AI

HAC
29 27 ADAM LAMBERT Ghost Town 927 821 106 3.771

+25 spins
-30 bullet
+0.021 AI

[jjose712]

What?

If he has a good update on pop he get a crappy one on hot ac and viceversa

[graffeodl]

Well the Monday updates have all been pretty crappy so far a measly +8 last week and a -12 the week before.

[foxxden]

May 24, 2015 13:14:22 GMT -5 nick64 said:

May 24, 2015 6:01:24 GMT -5 jjose712 said:

Well, i understand that they are radio darlings, big artist and all that, but such a fuss for a fourth single (in both cases) it's a little too much.
The fact that Bad Blood is the worst of Taylor's recent singles (in my opinion, of course) don't help either. It's really amazing her star power, all she needed was a bunch of celebrity cameos for her video (which is very far from being one of her best) and everything exploded.
Anyway, the chart should be back to normal soon.

Now Ghost town is comfortable around 170 (which is far better than 240), i think with some promo or more airplay it will be closer to the top 100 (hopefully it will be soon)

I get what you're saying, but these aren't really traditional fourth singles. "This Summer's Gonna Hurt Like A motherf**ker" is a lead single from a re-release, meaning it's just as new to everyone as "Maps" was, so it's understandable that radio will play it hard because of hype. "Bad Blood" isn't a new song, but the remix is new and it changes it quite a bit. Plus, the song is basically being promoted like a lead single, and with all the hype from the video and the remix sales, it's understandable that radio will want to get in on the action too.

re-releases and remixes are all just marketing ploys (albeit effective ones) to trick music consumers in to feeling like it's not a 4th single though. i also think a lot of it comes down to extremely consolidated and calculated radio playlists where they only focus on a handful of core artists...maroon 5 and taylor swift being the chosen ones this time around where literally anything either artist releases will be played to death.

i totally get the original poster's point though. i've called it out before and many people on this board laughed at me but these massive spin gains going towards artists like taylor swift and maroon 5 got to come from somewhere and unfortunately in a few cases it has a negative impact on songs further down the chart. the same thing happened when 1989 was released and all of its album trackers pushed a bunch of steadily climbing songs down the itunes chart last fall.

at the end of the day its good for maroon 5 and taylor swift but it is not good for the music industry and the consumers.

[jjose712]

Well, today all songs in the low part of the chart had very bad updates (with Shawn Mendes as exception).

I still think the same, such enthusiasm of radio on fourth singles is a bit too much for me. I can understand the promo, the high places on itunes, but for the life of me that i don't understand the +750 updates out of the gate on radio like they were the lead single of a long waited album.

[foxxden]

May 25, 2015 14:47:57 GMT -5 jjose712 said:

Well, today all songs in the low part of the chart had very bad updates (with Shawn Mendes as exception).

I still think the same, such enthusiasm of radio on fourth singles is a bit too much for me. I can understand the promo, the high places on itunes, but for the life of me that i don't understand the +750 updates out of the gate on radio like they were the lead single of a long waited album.

im agreeing with you! but then again i havent understood anything radio has done for the last few years now.

[keepitreal]

Pop Songs
Debut No. 39 "Ghost Town" Adam Lambert

www.billboard.com/articles/columns/chart-beat/6575988/chart-highlights-taylor-swift-blasts-onto-pop-songs-with-bad

[Juanca]

May 25, 2015 14:54:18 GMT -5 foxxden said:

May 25, 2015 14:47:57 GMT -5 jjose712 said:

Well, today all songs in the low part of the chart had very bad updates (with Shawn Mendes as exception).

I still think the same, such enthusiasm of radio on fourth singles is a bit too much for me. I can understand the promo, the high places on itunes, but for the life of me that i don't understand the +750 updates out of the gate on radio like they were the lead single of a long waited album.

im agreeing with you! but then again i havent understood anything radio has done for the last few years now.

Geez!
Bad Blood original version was receiving crappy updates up to last week when the NEW version was released. It may be a fourth song of this era, but it's treated as a new single because the remix wasn't heard or available before. Even clearer is the case of Maroon 5's song. That is a completely new song none had heard at all. It's not available in their album, so it's like a first single of the new version of the album. Given both artists' success in pop with back to back hits, it's completely understandable that they see this type of humongous updates.

[Az Paynter]

Well something went up at least?

POP:
39 38 ADAM LAMBERT Ghost Town 1403 1326 77 6.604

-3 Spins
-54 Bullet
+0.239 Audience

HOT AC:
29 27 ADAM LAMBERT Ghost Town 945 847 98 3.955

+18 Spins
-8 Bullet
+0.184 Audience

[chloris]

Mmmm, this needs to pick up soon - fingers crossed.

[¤ Matthea ¤]

Added by that little station WHTZ.

8 CHR adds, 5 HAC adds.

[SPRΞΞ]

May 26, 2015 0:57:17 GMT -5 Juanca said:

May 25, 2015 14:54:18 GMT -5 foxxden said:

im agreeing with you! but then again i havent understood anything radio has done for the last few years now.

Geez!
Bad Blood original version was receiving crappy updates up to last week when the NEW version was released. It may be a fourth song of this era, but it's treated as a new single because the remix wasn't heard or available before. Even clearer is the case of Maroon 5's song. That is a completely new song none had heard at all. It's not available in their album, so it's like a first single of the new version of the album. Given both artists' success in pop with back to back hits, it's completely understandable that they see this type of humongous updates.

Kinda exactly. If the prior songs were flops or underperformaces, they wouldn't be given such treatment. But Sugar and Style were hits, so it makes sense that their re-release songs are big gainers.

[jjose712]

One thing is a big gainer and other very different a Born this way type of start of chart run.
Of course both song are from big artist on very successful eras, but one thing is +300 updates and other very different +800.

Anyway, Ghostown is slowing too much, i hope he has some promo prepared, it's too soon to worry but it will be better if the updates go positive again and the song start to climb again on itunes

[Az Paynter]

POP:
41 38 ADAM LAMBERT Ghost Town 1420 1323 97 6.773

+17 Spins
+20 Bullet
+0.169 Audience

HOT AC:
29 26 ADAM LAMBERT Ghost Town 952 871 81 4.131

+7 Spins
-17 Bullet
+0.176 Audience

[wonderstruck94]

nice update! 

excited that Z100 finally added the song.  I think that means all the major stations in NY and CA have added it, right? 

[brb]

May 27, 2015 5:00:32 GMT -5 jjose712 said:

Anyway, Ghostown is slowing too much, i hope he has some promo prepared, it's too soon to worry but it will be better if the updates go positive again and the song start to climb again on itunes

The next TV promo will likely be only in 3 weeks at the album release week. Hopefully the song will continue gaining (likely slowly) until then.

I think that means all the major stations in NY and CA have added it, right?

Nope. The CBS stations in both NY and LA and the LA monitored radio Disney station (KDIS) have yet to add.

[suttonplace]

May 27, 2015 7:18:26 GMT -5 brb said:

May 27, 2015 5:00:32 GMT -5 jjose712 said:

Anyway, Ghostown is slowing too much, i hope he has some promo prepared, it's too soon to worry but it will be better if the updates go positive again and the song start to climb again on itunes

The next TV promo will likely be only in 3 weeks at the album release week. Hopefully the song will continue gaining (likely slowly) until then.

I think that means all the major stations in NY and CA have added it, right?

Nope. The CBS stations in both NY and LA and the LA monitored radio Disney station (KDIS) have yet to add.

The CBS hac station in nyc is playing it (has been since day 1)...but the CBS NYC pop station has never played anything of his -- not once not ever, not even WWFM or IIHY -- I remember when WWFM was number 1 on the z100 playlist and 92.3 wasn't playing it at all. Its kinda baffling. Its also playing on the big (relatively) Hudson Valley pop station.

[wonderstruck94]

May 27, 2015 13:24:30 GMT -5 suttonplace said:

May 27, 2015 7:18:26 GMT -5 brb said:

The next TV promo will likely be only in 3 weeks at the album release week. Hopefully the song will continue gaining (likely slowly) until then.

Nope. The CBS stations in both NY and LA and the LA monitored radio Disney station (KDIS) have yet to add.

The CBS hac station in nyc is playing it (has been since day 1)...but the CBS NYC pop station has never played anything of his -- not once not ever, not even WWFM or IIHY -- I remember when WWFM was number 1 on the z100 playlist and 92.3 wasn't playing it at all. Its kinda baffling. Its also playing on the big (relatively) Hudson Valley pop station.

I looked at their playlist and noticed they don't seem to play Sam Smith either.  They play his song with Disclosure but I didn't find even one of his solo songs on their playlists. (unless I missed something).

[pnobelysk]

May 27, 2015 13:58:38 GMT -5 wonderstruck94 said:

May 27, 2015 13:24:30 GMT -5 suttonplace said:

The CBS hac station in nyc is playing it (has been since day 1)...but the CBS NYC pop station has never played anything of his -- not once not ever, not even WWFM or IIHY -- I remember when WWFM was number 1 on the z100 playlist and 92.3 wasn't playing it at all. Its kinda baffling. Its also playing on the big (relatively) Hudson Valley pop station.

I looked at their playlist and noticed they don't seem to play Sam Smith either.  They play his song with Disclosure but I didn't find even one of his solo songs on their playlists. (unless I missed something).

Seems to be a homophobic station then with Adam and Sam shunned even with both having a big hit

[jimmyt]

May 28, 2015 9:14:31 GMT -5 pnobelysk said:

May 27, 2015 13:58:38 GMT -5 wonderstruck94 said:

I looked at their playlist and noticed they don't seem to play Sam Smith either.  They play his song with Disclosure but I didn't find even one of his solo songs on their playlists. (unless I missed something).

Seems to be a homophobic station then with Adam and Sam shunned even with both having a big hit

This is the sort of crap that gives Adam Lambert fans a bad reputation and does him no favours.
92.3 play Sam Smith, in fact an hour ago. Just maybe they don't like Ghosttown, you thought about that?

[wonderstruck94]

May 28, 2015 11:57:53 GMT -5 jimmyt said:

May 28, 2015 9:14:31 GMT -5 pnobelysk said:

Seems to be a homophobic station then with Adam and Sam shunned even with both having a big hit

This is the sort of crap that gives Adam Lambert fans a bad reputation and does him no favours.
92.3 play Sam Smith, in fact an hour ago. Just maybe they don't like Ghosttown, you thought about that?

what song did they play? I am looking at their play list from 12:54 - 3:27 and there isn't one song by Sam Smith on the list. They play Latch A LOT though.

I am not claiming homophobia but to say that radio stations only play "songs they like" is kinda silly. There are some crap songs that get radio play.   I looked at their allaccess top 50 and Sam is at #45 (up from 50 last week) with Stay With Me (9 spins this week).

According to someone up thread this stations has never played a song by Adam, not even WWFM, which I find a bit odd.   

923amp.cbslocal.com/playlist/2015/05/28/

here is their playlist for reference.

[dragontattoo]

May 28, 2015 14:41:16 GMT -5 wonderstruck94 said:

According to someone up thread this stations has never played a song by Adam, not even WWFM, which I find a bit odd.   

According to Wikipedia, WBMP did not exist until May 2014. That might be the reason they have never played a song by Adam. Also according to Wikipedia, their format is Rhythmic CHR. Look carefully at their playlist. It leans heavily rhythmic.

Here is another look at their playlist: www.mediabase.com/mmrweb/7/stationplaylistrequest.asp?format=H1&c_let=WBMP-FM

Look at all the Top 40 artists missing from their playlist: Walk The Moon, Fifth Harmony, Andy Grammar, Echosmith, George Ezra, Carly Rae Jepsen - all much higher on the Top 40 charts than Ghost Town.

[suttonplace]

May 28, 2015 15:47:23 GMT -5 dragontattoo said:

May 28, 2015 14:41:16 GMT -5 wonderstruck94 said:

According to someone up thread this stations has never played a song by Adam, not even WWFM, which I find a bit odd.   

According to Wikipedia, WBMP did not exist until May 2014. That might be the reason they have never played a song by Adam. Also according to Wikipedia, their format is Rhythmic CHR. Look carefully at their playlist. It leans heavily rhythmic.

Here is another look at their playlist: www.mediabase.com/mmrweb/7/stationplaylistrequest.asp?format=H1&c_let=WBMP-FM

Look at all the Top 40 artists missing from their playlist: Walk The Moon, Fifth Harmony, Andy Grammar, Echosmith, George Ezra, Carly Rae Jepsen - all much higher on the Top 40 charts than Ghost Town.

WBMP is just the rebranded 92.3now -- it switched branding in 2014...its still the same cbs pop station and its still on the mediabase chr panel (not the rhythmic panel)..it definitely skews more rhythmic than z100..but their playlists were somewhat closer in the NOW days

[graffeodl]

POP
40 37 ADAM LAMBERT Ghost Town 1417 1344 73 6.594

-3 Spins
-24 Bullet
-0.179 Audience

HAC
30 25 ADAM LAMBERT Ghost Town 982 886 96 4.346

+30 Spins
+15 Bullet
+0.215 Audience

[theflying]

Lol @ the notion that z100, with the country's most popular radio DJ and host of the country's most widely syndicated morning show being an out gay man, being homophobic.

[josh]

May 28, 2015 20:22:13 GMT -5 theflying said:

Lol @ the notion that z100, with the country's most popular radio DJ and host of the country's most widely syndicated morning show being an out gay man, being homophobic.

except no one said that