keepitreal
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Post by keepitreal on Jun 26, 2015 17:22:58 GMT -5
Is iTunes the most important sales indicator? Adam never made it past #5 the week of release while others made it to #1 (one staying there for a few days) and yet Adam's album easily outsold theirs' by thousands of units in raw sales.
That was mainly due to weeks of front loaded preorders, from his fanbase. As of now iTunes is a key indicator of sales health and TOH falling to #72 in 2 weeks is a big problem- GT as a single isnt supporting the album sales enough, which will create some pressure to bring forward single #2. Its pretty unbelievable some people are writing off iTunes sales as somehow irrelevant. But hey ho :0)Maybe it's because you're the only one that doesn't seem to know what they are talking about. But keep pretending. GT sold about 25k week of 6/21 and is selling about 20k this week. The problem isn't the song. It's pretty clear the more people hear it they buy it. Radio needs to get on board more and start playing. I still don't think the song is done yet. Adam and his A&R team went to at least 5/6 radio stations this week so I think they are still working the single. |
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Post by Az Paynter on Jun 27, 2015 5:03:08 GMT -5
Is it too much to ask that a pop update be good on all three counts?!  POP:28 30 ADAM LAMBERT Ghost Town 2150 2153 -3 8.117 +2 Spins -11 Bullet +0.175 Audience HOT AC:22 20 ADAM LAMBERT Ghost Town 1649 1472 177 7.471 +37 Spins +36 Bullet +0.119 Audience |
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Post by wonderstruck94 on Jun 27, 2015 9:01:20 GMT -5
Is iTunes the most important sales indicator? Adam never made it past #5 the week of release while others made it to #1 (one staying there for a few days) and yet Adam's album easily outsold theirs' by thousands of units in raw sales.
That was mainly due to weeks of front loaded preorders, from his fanbase. As of now iTunes is a key indicator of sales health and TOH falling to #72 in 2 weeks is a big problem- GT as a single isnt supporting the album sales enough, which will create some pressure to bring forward single #2. Its pretty unbelievable some people are writing off iTunes sales as somehow irrelevant. But hey ho :0) The album is still in the top 100 albums, sitting at #80 (hilary duff is at #77, are you worried about her sales too?). The song is at #81. It's not ideal that the album dropped so far on itunes but it's not surprising either. Adam didn't have a banner on itunes, he has an extended pre-order period and his album is still priced higher than a lot of those albums above him. His fans bought the album in pre-oder and now it's up to casual fans to be aware of it and buy it. He has his work cut out for him but it's obvious that he's will to do the work and it's also obvious WB is behind him so I'm willing to just wait and see what happens rather than start wringing my hands about things I can't control. |
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Post by dragontattoo on Jun 27, 2015 10:46:57 GMT -5
Labels are in the business of making money. If WB feels there is money to be made, they will continue to support. That is why sales are very important.
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Post by Mikey on Jun 28, 2015 6:52:40 GMT -5
 Pop : 28 30 ADAM LAMBERT Ghost Town 2190 2082 108 8.358 + 40 Spins + 111 Bullet + 0.241 Audience HAC : 21 19 ADAM LAMBERT Ghost Town 1656 1502 154 7.732 + 7 Spins - 23 Bullet + 0.261 Audience Itunes : #77 |
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Post by wonderstruck94 on Jun 28, 2015 8:41:00 GMT -5
Pop : 28 30 ADAM LAMBERT Ghost Town 2190 2082 108 8.358 + 40 Spins + 111 Bullet + 0.241 Audience HAC : 21 19 ADAM LAMBERT Ghost Town 1656 1502 154 7.732 + 7 Spins - 23 Bullet + 0.261 Audience Itunes : #77 those SNOL are crucial. itunes #75 this morning - album still at #80 |
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Post by graffeodl on Jun 29, 2015 6:19:36 GMT -5
PUBLISHED CHARTS
Pop :
28 29 ADAM LAMBERT Ghost Town 2188 2082 106 8.355
+ 38 Spins
+ 109 Bullet
+ 0.238 Audience
HAC :
21 18 ADAM LAMBERT Ghost Town 1656 1502 154 7.732
+ 7 Spins
- 23 Bullet
+ 0.261 Audience
AC:
43 35 ADAM LAMBERT Ghost Town 46 30 16 0.167
+3 Spins
+4 Bullet
+0.028 Audience
CAN POP:
38 36 ADAM LAMBERT Ghost Town 292 232 60 1.125
+2 Spins
-16 Bullet
+0.039 Audience
Monday update
POP:
28 29 ADAM LAMBERT Ghost Town 2193 2106 87 8.352
+5 Spins
-19 Bullet
-0.003 Audience
HAC:
20 18 ADAM LAMBERT Ghost Town 1683 1519 164 7.664
+27 Spins
+10 Bullet
-0.068 Audience
AC:
42 36 ADAM LAMBERT Ghost Town 48 32 16 0.182
+2 Spins
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+0.015 Audience
CAN POP:
37 37 ADAM LAMBERT Ghost Town 292 254 38 1.169
= Spins
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+0.044 Audience
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Post by Lolly on Jun 29, 2015 6:34:10 GMT -5
POP: 28 29 ADAM LAMBERT Ghost Town 2193 2106 87 8.352 +5 Spins -19 Bullet -0.003 Audience HAC: 20 18 ADAM LAMBERT Ghost Town 1683 1519 164 7.664 +27 Spins +10 Bullet -0.068 Audience AC: 42 36 ADAM LAMBERT Ghost Town 48 32 16 0.182 +2 Spins = Bullet +0.015 Audience CAN POP: 37 37 ADAM LAMBERT Ghost Town 292 254 38 1.169 = Spins -22 Bullet +0.044 Audience and enters the Canada Hot AC chart. 64 50 ADAM LAMBERT Ghost Town 101 65 36 0.621 |
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Post by graffeodl on Jun 29, 2015 7:18:01 GMT -5
POP: 28 29 ADAM LAMBERT Ghost Town 2193 2106 87 8.352 +5 Spins -19 Bullet -0.003 Audience HAC: 20 18 ADAM LAMBERT Ghost Town 1683 1519 164 7.664 +27 Spins +10 Bullet -0.068 Audience AC: 42 36 ADAM LAMBERT Ghost Town 48 32 16 0.182 +2 Spins = Bullet +0.015 Audience CAN POP: 37 37 ADAM LAMBERT Ghost Town 292 254 38 1.169 = Spins -22 Bullet +0.044 Audience and enters the Canada Hot AC chart. 64 50 ADAM LAMBERT Ghost Town 101 65 36 0.621 Thanks! I had missed that. Checked the Published chart but forgot to check it for the Monday update. |
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Post by Az Paynter on Jun 30, 2015 5:10:45 GMT -5
Damnit, radio!  POP:29 30 ADAM LAMBERT Ghost Town 2179 2131 48 8.426 -14 Spins -39 Bullet +0.074 Audience HOT AC:21 18 ADAM LAMBERT Ghost Town 1693 1530 163 7.740 +10 Spins -1 Bullet +0.076 Audience |
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Post by jjose712 on Jun 30, 2015 6:05:20 GMT -5
I quit, there's absolutely no one of the songs that i want to climb that it's doing well right now
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Post by wonderstruck94 on Jun 30, 2015 6:37:36 GMT -5
Damnit, radio! POP:29 30 ADAM LAMBERT Ghost Town 2179 2131 48 8.426 -14 Spins -39 Bullet +0.074 Audience HOT AC:21 18 ADAM LAMBERT Ghost Town 1693 1530 163 7.740 +10 Spins -1 Bullet +0.076 Audience radio needs to get their shit together LOL |
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Post by Az Paynter on Jul 1, 2015 5:09:22 GMT -5
POP:
29 28 ADAM LAMBERT Ghost Town 2217 2121 96 8.705
+38 Spins
+48 Bullet
+0.279 Audience
HOT AC:
21 18 ADAM LAMBERT Ghost Town 1703 1559 144 7.756
+10 Spins
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Post by wonderstruck94 on Jul 1, 2015 5:56:43 GMT -5
Az, I just wanted to say thanks for always bringing the updates!! It is appreciated!
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Post by Az Paynter on Jul 2, 2015 5:01:03 GMT -5
POP:
31 28 ADAM LAMBERT Ghost Town 2245 2122 123 8.792
+28 Spins
+27 Bullet
+0.087 Audience
HOT AC:
21 18 ADAM LAMBERT Ghost Town 1711 1587 124 7.708
+8 Spins
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Post by jjose712 on Jul 2, 2015 6:39:37 GMT -5
The updates are not great, but at least they go in the right direction
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Post by graffeodl on Jul 2, 2015 15:09:47 GMT -5
#77 on the Hot 100 this week so only down 4.
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Post by jimmyt on Jul 3, 2015 4:49:40 GMT -5
That was mainly due to weeks of front loaded preorders, from his fanbase. As of now iTunes is a key indicator of sales health and TOH falling to #72 in 2 weeks is a big problem- GT as a single isnt supporting the album sales enough, which will create some pressure to bring forward single #2. Its pretty unbelievable some people are writing off iTunes sales as somehow irrelevant. But hey ho :0)Maybe it's because you're the only one that doesn't seem to know what they are talking about. But keep pretending. GT sold about 25k week of 6/21 and is selling about 20k this week. The problem isn't the song. It's pretty clear the more people hear it they buy it. Radio needs to get on board more and start playing. I still don't think the song is done yet. Adam and his A&R team went to at least 5/6 radio stations this week so I think they are still working the single. If you are going to mouth off at least read posts properly, else you look stupid. 1. I was talking about album sales, and indications there was going to be a very large drop for TOH. Guess what it dropped from 42k to 9.7k, -76% one of the biggest drops in the top 50. 2. My point was GT as a debut single wasnt supporting the album launch well and that may place pressure for the earlier release of single #2. TOH is now #191 on iTunes after less than 3 weeks. 3. GT has only really had a significant lift by TV promo. Its sales have under performed against its radio plays. In fact radio has supported it pretty well, above its popularity. 4. Indeed the real positive, in amongst disappointing sales, is that radio appears to be onside and should give the next singles support. That may help dig out the sales somewhat. 5. Keep it Real |
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Post by Az Paynter on Jul 3, 2015 5:02:30 GMT -5
Audience gain is good!
POP:
30 28 ADAM LAMBERT Ghost Town 2238 2148 90 9.011
-7 Spins
-33 Bullet
+0.219 Audience
HOT AC:
20 18 ADAM LAMBERT Ghost Town 1706 1612 94 7.746
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Post by wonderstruck94 on Jul 3, 2015 7:54:12 GMT -5
Maybe it's because you're the only one that doesn't seem to know what they are talking about. But keep pretending. GT sold about 25k week of 6/21 and is selling about 20k this week. The problem isn't the song. It's pretty clear the more people hear it they buy it. Radio needs to get on board more and start playing. I still don't think the song is done yet. Adam and his A&R team went to at least 5/6 radio stations this week so I think they are still working the single. If you are going to mouth off at least read posts properly, else you look stupid. 1. I was talking about album sales, and indications there was going to be a very large drop for TOH. Guess what it dropped from 42k to 9.7k, -76% one of the biggest drops in the top 50. 2. My point was GT as a debut single wasnt supporting the album launch well and that may place pressure for the earlier release of single #2. TOH is now #191 on iTunes after less than 3 weeks. 3. GT has only really had a significant lift by TV promo. Its sales have under performed against its radio plays. In fact radio has supported it pretty well, above its popularity. 4. Indeed the real positive, in amongst disappointing sales, is that radio appears to be onside and should give the next singles support. That may help dig out the sales somewhat. 5. Keep it Real 1. I think it's only accurate to look at debuts and see what Adam's drop looked like in comparison to those albums. If we do that, Adam was on par with everyone except James Taylor who had an impressive 47% drop. However, the other big debuts last week, Nate and Hilary, had drops of 76% (Nate) and 81% (Hilary) if we look at pure sales. If we look at SPS, which is the standard that BB200 uses now, Adam had a 71% drop and remained in the top 40, while Nate and Hilary both dropped to the mid to high 60s. 2. I think the single supported the album launch if we go based on first week sales of the album and sales of the single based on his promotional performances. I don't know that Adam's itunes position is a good indicator of how well he is selling, especially when you take into consideration that both Nate and Hilary are above him on itunes, and have been since the release of all of their albums and yet he's outsold them both two weeks in a row, and by a wide margin. 3. I agree, GT is helped tremendously by tv promo. Adam on television performing = sales of not only his single but his album. His label/management should look into getting him on television more often. As for radio play not equaling sales, I don't know about that because the song hasn't reached a saturation point on radio yet that it should be seeing significant sales. Aren't sales usually noticed when a song reaches about 10 Million in AI on CHR? GT hasn't reached that yet but hopefully it'll get there soon. 4. Sales are down across the board, not just for Adam. I don't think his sales, so far, are disappointing given the climate of the industry and Adam has the benefit of having sales in other countries too so neither he nor the label are just looking at the U.S. market and evaluating the performance of this album/single on that. |
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Post by jaex on Jul 3, 2015 9:15:47 GMT -5
1. I think it's only accurate to look at debuts and see what Adam's drop looked like in comparison to those albums. If we do that, Adam was on par with everyone except James Taylor who had an impressive 47% drop. However, the other big debuts last week, Nate and Hilary, had drops of 76% (Nate) and 81% (Hilary) if we look at pure sales. If we look at SPS, which is the standard that BB200 uses now, Adam had a 71% drop and remained in the top 40, while Nate and Hilary both dropped to the mid to high 60s. 2. I think the single supported the album launch if we go based on first week sales of the album and sales of the single based on his promotional performances. I don't know that Adam's itunes position is a good indicator of how well he is selling, especially when you take into consideration that both Nate and Hilary are above him on itunes, and have been since the release of all of their albums and yet he's outsold them both two weeks in a row, and by a wide margin. 3. I agree, GT is helped tremendously by tv promo. Adam on television performing = sales of not only his single but his album. His label/management should look into getting him on television more often. As for radio play not equaling sales, I don't know about that because the song hasn't reached a saturation point on radio yet that it should be seeing significant sales. Aren't sales usually noticed when a song reaches about 10 Million in AI on CHR? GT hasn't reached that yet but hopefully it'll get there soon. 4. Sales are down across the board, not just for Adam. I don't think his sales, so far, are disappointing given the climate of the industry and Adam has the benefit of having sales in other countries too so neither he nor the label are just looking at the U.S. market and evaluating the performance of this album/single on that. I’m really curious about this as well. How high does AI generally have to be for it to have a significant impact on sales? Or what kind of sales could be reasonably expected from a song with the AI that GT has? I think several posters on this thread have said that radio is playing GT more than its sales warrant, and I don’t know what to think about that. I mean, sure, if you look at its iTunes position (111 right now) and its position on CHR (28) then it’s easy to see it’s way lower on iTunes than on pop. But how useful is it to compare its position on the overall iTunes chart to its position on pop radio? Why not compare the iTunes numbers with overall AI numbers? According to Kworb, it’s #100 based on overall AI. It doesn’t seem that wildly different from its iTunes position. Are the sales really unusually low for a song with this AI? (Just to be clear: I’m not necessarily disagreeing with the people saying this should be selling better considering the airplay it has, I’m asking about this because I genuinely don’t know.) |
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Post by graffeodl on Jul 3, 2015 9:40:04 GMT -5
Don't know anything about AI and sales correlation except that I keep seeing people saying that it needs at least 10million AI in Pop to affect sales and we aren't there yet.
As for iTunes comparisons between Adam, Nate and Hilary the problem with that may be that Adam has three version of the album and thus three versions of each track charting whereas as I understood it Nate and Hilary have only one version each. While the explicit version of GT that was the highest on the charts has been dropping from first week to second week the clean version which got almost in to the top 200 on release week has only dropped to the 300's and has mostly stayed in the 300-350 range consistently.
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Post by wonderstruck94 on Jul 3, 2015 22:15:08 GMT -5
Interestingly, on the iTunes' pop chart Ghost Town is at #30 with the explicit version (#95 for the clean version) which is right on par with where it is on pop radio so I guess the argument could be made that it's selling almost exactly in line with where it's radio play is.
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Post by Az Paynter on Jul 4, 2015 8:03:52 GMT -5
POP:
30 28 ADAM LAMBERT Ghost Town 2264 2150 114 9.307
+26 Spins
+24 Bullet
+0.296 Audience
HOT AC:
20 18 ADAM LAMBERT Ghost Town 1698 1649 49 7.824
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Post by Az Paynter on Jul 5, 2015 5:21:57 GMT -5
Whatever's going on at Hot AC, I am not a fan.
POP:
29 29 ADAM LAMBERT Ghost Town 2298 2188 110 9.214
+34 Spins
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-0.093 Audience
HOT AC:
18 19 ADAM LAMBERT Ghost Town 1692 1656 36 7.699
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Post by wonderstruck94 on Jul 5, 2015 8:11:40 GMT -5
Whatever's going on at Hot AC, I am not a fan. POP:29 29 ADAM LAMBERT Ghost Town 2298 2188 110 9.214 +34 Spins -4 Bullet -0.093 Audience HOT AC:18 19 ADAM LAMBERT Ghost Town 1692 1656 36 7.699 -6 Spins -13 Bullet -0.125 Audience yeah, that is weird. |
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Post by jimmyt on Jul 5, 2015 10:05:47 GMT -5
1. In terms of spins vs. iTunes position. Looking at the top50, only 1 song above GT has a worse iTunes position. 50% of those below it have a better iTunes position. Radio is backing the track very well relative to its popularity. That is a positive by the way! Although it's sales,haven't been great, there can be optimism for the next single.
2. Sure album sales are down across the board , but so far TOH sales have been poor relatively. Do you think TOH will make the top 100 best selling albums this year for instance? Unlikely.
3. Btw lets forget about Hilary Duff comparisons, she didn't even have a single launched to radio when her album was released! She is a complete one off.
Love and peace.
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Post by wonderstruck94 on Jul 5, 2015 10:42:32 GMT -5
1. In terms of spins vs. iTunes position. Looking at the top50, only 1 song above GT has a worse iTunes position. 50% of those below it have a better iTunes position. Radio is backing the track very well relative to its popularity. That is a positive by the way! Although it's sales,haven't been great, there can be optimism for the next single. 2. Sure album sales are down across the board , but so far TOH sales have been poor relatively. Do you think TOH will make the top 100 best selling albums this year for instance? Unlikely. 3. Btw lets forget about Hilary Duff comparisons, she didn't even have a single launched to radio when her album was released! She is a complete one off. Love and peace. you seem very invested in pushing the idea that Adam and his era are a failure because you keep repeating yourself over and over. Hilary's song Sparks was released April 7th, a full two weeks before Ghost Town. Just because it didn't hit, doesn't mean it wasn't sent. |
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Post by jaex on Jul 5, 2015 11:11:32 GMT -5
Thanks everyone who chimed in on the airplay/sales question! Hilary's song Sparks was released April 7th, a full two weeks before Ghost Town. Just because it didn't hit, doesn't mean it wasn't sent. To be fair, for some inexplicable reason her stupid label sent Sparks to HAC only, not pop, so I don’t think it’s a very useful comparison. |
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Post by 7am on Jul 5, 2015 11:35:37 GMT -5
1. In terms of spins vs. iTunes position. Looking at the top50, only 1 song above GT has a worse iTunes position. 50% of those below it have a better iTunes position. Radio is backing the track very well relative to its popularity. That is a positive by the way! Although it's sales,haven't been great, there can be optimism for the next single. 2. Sure album sales are down across the board , but so far TOH sales have been poor relatively. Do you think TOH will make the top 100 best selling albums this year for instance? Unlikely. 3. Btw lets forget about Hilary Duff comparisons, she didn't even have a single launched to radio when her album was released! She is a complete one off. Love and peace. you seem very invested in pushing the idea that Adam and his era are a failure because you keep repeating yourself over and over. Hilary's song Sparks was released April 7th, a full two weeks before Ghost Town. Just because it didn't hit, doesn't mean it wasn't sent. what's with this thread recently. when did he say this era was a failure (not to mention Adam himself)? he just thinks Adam's label might get impatient with how GT is doing and jump to the 2nd single that's all. i mean i totally disagree with him (i find GT a brilliant choice for lead single and i'm still waiting to see if it can do more) but i have no problem with his comments. he can dislike GT as a single all right. Love and peace |
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