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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2015 0:39:47 GMT -5
Hey look! It's Ladies' Night!! This makes me really happy to see. I really hope more radio stations jump on board and do something similar! That's pretty cool, especially because WPCV (it's out of Lakeland, FL, by the way) is on both the Billboard and Mediabase reporting panels.
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Post by .indulgecountry on May 29, 2015 1:18:09 GMT -5
That female playlist looks amazing and I can't even tell what songs they're playing, but the artists alone... ahh. I want that at my local station. Wouldn't it be hilarious if a bunch of stations did that and ratings went up? Like "Ladies Night" turned out to be their highest-rated segment during the week or something. That'd be just perfect.
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Post by carriekins on May 29, 2015 6:22:54 GMT -5
That female playlist looks amazing and I can't even tell what songs they're playing, but the artists alone... ahh. I want that at my local station. Wouldn't it be hilarious if a bunch of stations did that and ratings went up? Like "Ladies Night" turned out to be their highest-rated segment during the week or something. That'd be just perfect. I've seen a few tweets that some stations are hosting "Tomato Lunch" today as well. At the VERY least, it shows that there are people working in radio who don't buy into Hill's comments and are also willing to take risks.
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Post by sbp17 on May 29, 2015 6:56:44 GMT -5
I would actually like some mainstream males to speak up (and not just in an off-the-cuff, joking manner either). Blake and Tim are married to the tomatoes so I'd like to hear them share their thoughts. Some of the males got defensive with Girl In A Country Song so I wouldn't expect them to be too supportive.
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Post by sabre14 on May 29, 2015 19:41:58 GMT -5
Well we're now three days removed from Keith Hill's comments coming out in Country Aircheck and his twitter has not slowed down one bit. Not to get too sensitive about what has happened to him but reading some of his tweets actually alarms me. It's clear this has upset him as many of his tweets have come off as abrasive and downright concerning. I'm actually a communications major with a future in broadcasting and/or journalism and he's got to realize that PR is very important in a situation like this. He needs to just ignore the tweets he is receiving (even the accusations of death threats, which is just disgusting and nobody deserves that kind of immature and criminal behavior) at this point. Everything that has been said from people on my side of the argument and his side of the argument has been said and I would actually like him to ease of the send button from here on in.
The seriousness of this issue has certainly been brought to much needed light and it has involved some terrific discussions and I'm sure has brought the issue to the average listener, who doesn't get as involved into the world of radio as some here do. Hopefully Keith can realize that his continuing of his stance is only going to evoke more emotions out of people and that could evict more outrageous comments from his mouth or twitter account.
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Post by liza on May 29, 2015 20:39:21 GMT -5
Well we're now three days removed from Keith Hill's comments coming out in Country Aircheck and his twitter has not slowed down one bit. Not to get too sensitive about what has happened to him but reading some of his tweets actually alarms me. It's clear this has upset him as many of his tweets have come off as abrasive and downright concerning. I'm actually a communications major with a future in broadcasting and/or journalism and he's got to realize that PR is very important in a situation like this. He needs to just ignore the tweets he is receiving (even the accusations of death threats, which is just disgusting and nobody deserves that kind of immature and criminal behavior) at this point. Everything that has been said from people on my side of the argument and his side of the argument has been said and I would actually like him to ease of the send button from here on in. The seriousness of this issue has certainly been brought to much needed light and it has involved some terrific discussions and I'm sure has brought the issue to the average listener, who doesn't get as involved into the world of radio as some here do. Hopefully Keith can realize that his continuing of his stance is only going to evoke more emotions out of people and that could evict more outrageous comments from his mouth or twitter account. It's very disturbing to read some of the comments from radio people on his Facebook page. There are a lot of clueless people in the industry who perhaps settled into the job 30 or 40 years ago and seem to have not progressed much since. I've seen several comments on social media that in the old days they were told to play no women...as though what is happening today is progress. There is definitely a group in the industry with a disturbing culture.
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Post by 14887fan on May 30, 2015 0:56:23 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2015 3:14:00 GMT -5
I can't wait for Country Aircheck's inevitable follow-up piece on Monday night... I'm sure Lon Helton will shrug it off like it's no big deal, and will continue to defend Hill and what he said...
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Post by Daryl the Beryl on May 30, 2015 4:55:44 GMT -5
Come on, I'm not even a fan of most female country artists, but I am also in agreement with most of the board that removing female artists from country playlists is f**king ridiculous. Songs should be played more on radio because of their quality, NOT regardless of gender. Using that notion from Hill, it means that songs such as Little Toy Guns and Love Me Like You Mean It are sh*t and other songs such as "Donkey", "Hell of a Night" and "1994" are better in quality.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2015 7:15:00 GMT -5
This guy needs to apologize for what he said. This is getting out of hand. I just checked this guys twitter and Yikes! It's amazing of how this guy won't let up. Unfortunately he won't even admit the sites like CountryUniverse SavingCountryMusic or what Windmills is doing as research but instead he says that people are just using their personal opinion. He also said that about this thread and all of our opinions or facts on the matter. I hate this guy.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2015 8:03:44 GMT -5
Like raylatch98 said, someone tweeted the link to this thread to him and here's what he responded with: "Epithets, ad hominem attacks,....name calling...I see what's there" No you don't, people here have made valid cases for your weak argument. I'm so close to tweeting to this guy....
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2015 8:07:04 GMT -5
Like raylatch98 said, someone tweeted the link to this thread to him and here's what he responded with: "Epithets, ad hominem attacks,....name calling...I see what's there" No you don't, people here have made valid cases for your weak argument. I'm so close to tweeting to this guy.... Why bother he's just gonna be a jackass (sorry but this guy gets my blood boiling) he's just gonna be arrogant with you.
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Post by Daryl the Beryl on May 30, 2015 8:35:45 GMT -5
Like raylatch98 said, someone tweeted the link to this thread to him and here's what he responded with: "Epithets, ad hominem attacks,....name calling...I see what's there" No you don't, people here have made valid cases for your weak argument. I'm so close to tweeting to this guy.... Someone tell him to give up... that's not how you counter-argue lol
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Post by carrieidol1 on May 30, 2015 8:50:27 GMT -5
I think this whole thing could actually lead to a positive change in country music in terms of the male-to-female ratio. His comments are forcing people to look at the facts and therefore see the true inequality that exists in country music. Will it actually change things, I don't know, but at least things are being shaken up a bit!
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on May 30, 2015 9:30:07 GMT -5
Has he actually provided facts that are direct causation and not correlation? Saying you have facts and that you're an expert doesn't mean he's reading the information correctly or that it means the one thing he's saying it does.
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Post by sabre14 on May 30, 2015 9:42:30 GMT -5
Like raylatch98 said, someone tweeted the link to this thread to him and here's what he responded with: "Epithets, ad hominem attacks,....name calling...I see what's there" No you don't, people here have made valid cases for your weak argument. I'm so close to tweeting to this guy.... Like raylatch98 said, someone tweeted the link to this thread to him and here's what he responded with: "Epithets, ad hominem attacks,....name calling...I see what's there" No you don't, people here have made valid cases for your weak argument. I'm so close to tweeting to this guy.... Why bother he's just gonna be a jackass (sorry but this guy gets my blood boiling) he's just gonna be arrogant with you. Like raylatch98 said, someone tweeted the link to this thread to him and here's what he responded with: "Epithets, ad hominem attacks,....name calling...I see what's there" No you don't, people here have made valid cases for your weak argument. I'm so close to tweeting to this guy.... Someone tell him to give up... that's not how you counter-argue lol Like I mentioned up thread, Hill's twitter account has really started to get ugly and personally I wish he would not answer to anybody anymore, not because he's winning the argument, but because he's just getting way too emotional for someone who has a job in radio and was looked highly enough by Lon Helton to actually be a center piece for a article in Aircheck. I definitely thought about starting my own account when this broke since I was that angry about his comments and I'm so glad people (including some regulars on Pulse), holding Hill accountable, but I can't even read his twitter anymore as it's really getting out of hand. I can't believe how immature some of his tweets are. For his own sake and perhaps for the sake of the idiots out there who have been giving him death threats, he needs to just shut the heck up. With the way things have gone so far though, I don't see that happening, at least not soon as he clearly never got a lesson in PR 101.
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Post by trebor on May 30, 2015 10:44:20 GMT -5
OT. This is really beyond me why Shane McAnally is arguing with Keith Hill via Twitter. Can't they skype?
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Post by liza on May 30, 2015 11:18:38 GMT -5
Like raylatch98 said, someone tweeted the link to this thread to him and here's what he responded with: "Epithets, ad hominem attacks,....name calling...I see what's there" No you don't, people here have made valid cases for your weak argument. I'm so close to tweeting to this guy.... Don't. He's loving the attention.
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Post by carriekins on May 30, 2015 11:26:02 GMT -5
OT. This is really beyond me why Shane McAnally is arguing with Keith Hill via Twitter. Can't they skype? Β Shane's first tweet offered to meet with Keith face to face. No idea beyond that.
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Post by liza on May 30, 2015 11:34:51 GMT -5
A radio personality responded to one of Beverly Keel's stories with this: Carson Johnson Β· Burlington, North Carolina "The fact that these women are so offended by this just shows that they don't even understand the industry in which they supposedly work. Not playing two females back to back is not a new concept and it's not limited to Country Music. It's radio 101 in every format but CHR. It's not sexist, it's called playing what people want to hear, though Keith Hill did get his reasoning wrong. By playing two females back to back you burn your strong female songs in one place and they ultimately are heard by fewer people. Male listeners will flip the station if they hear too many females back to back, and yes, many women will react the same way. So if Jennifer Nettles, Martina McBride, Miranda Lambert, and all the others who are so righteously indignant would kindly get off your high horses and do your job- making good country music, I'll do my job- digging through the crap you send me to find the good stuff and playing it in a way that listeners will actualy hear it with out flipping the station." This is so disturbing - the content and disrespect is unbelievable and posting this on the Tennessean - ridiculous. Are there no standards of professionalism any more? Does he actually "dig through crap" or is some consultant handing him a playlist? www.tennessean.com/story/entertainment/music/2015/05/27/sexist-tomato-barb-launches-food-fight-music-row/28036657
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Post by trebor on May 30, 2015 11:38:32 GMT -5
OT. This is really beyond me why Shane McAnally is arguing with Keith Hill via Twitter. Can't they skype? Shane's first tweet offered to meet with Keith face to face. No idea beyond that. OK. Thanks! :) The whole conversation is a mess.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2015 11:53:37 GMT -5
A radio personality responded to one of Beverly Keel's stories with this: Carson Johnson Β· Burlington, North Carolina "The fact that these women are so offended by this just shows that they don't even understand the industry in which they supposedly work. Not playing two females back to back is not a new concept and it's not limited to Country Music. It's radio 101 in every format but CHR. It's not sexist, it's called playing what people want to hear, though Keith Hill did get his reasoning wrong. By playing two females back to back you burn your strong female songs in one place and they ultimately are heard by fewer people. Male listeners will flip the station if they hear too many females back to back, and yes, many women will react the same way. So if Jennifer Nettles, Martina McBride, Miranda Lambert, and all the others who are so righteously indignant would kindly get off your high horses and do your job- making good country music, I'll do my job- digging through the crap you send me to find the good stuff and playing it in a way that listeners will actualy hear it with out flipping the station." This is so disturbing - the content and disrespect is unbelievable and posting this on the Tennessean - ridiculous. Are there no standards of professionalism any more? Does he actually "dig through crap" or is some consultant handing him a playlist? www.tennessean.com/story/entertainment/music/2015/05/27/sexist-tomato-barb-launches-food-fight-music-row/28036657 Do your job making good country music?!? Buddy, the females ARE the ones making not only GOOD music but also COUNTRY music as well!! >:( Again, you can't argue that the reason you're not playing females is because they don't make quality music when someone like Sam Hunt pushes out a pop song about partying or when Luke Bryan pushes his 9856th song to mention going out in a field with a hot girl. This.Genre.Needs.A.Change!!!
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Post by carriekins on May 30, 2015 11:53:48 GMT -5
What really frustrates me about this whole conversation, is the notion that females aren't creating good music, when in fact many would argue their output is generally stronger than that of their male counterparts.
And honestly, why can't we hold the men to the same quality standards? Never mind playing two females back to back, can we try not playing two thematically-similar, low-denominator songs from men back to back? Because that alone would be swell.
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Post by sabre14 on May 30, 2015 11:57:28 GMT -5
Carson Johnson needs to realize that "radio industry" needs to change, not the women artists. They're missing the whole point.
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Post by 14887fan on May 30, 2015 12:07:26 GMT -5
"So if Jennifer Nettles, Martina McBride, Miranda Lambert, and all the others who are so righteously indignant would kindly get off your high horses and do your job- making good country music, I'll do my job- digging through the crap you send me to find the good stuff and playing it in a way that listeners will actualy hear it with out flipping the station." This quote is an absolute abomination.
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Post by onebuffalo on May 30, 2015 12:12:26 GMT -5
Who's the current Grammy winner in the Best Solo Country Performance category? That's right, a woman by the name of Carrie Underwood. What song did she win for? That's right, Something In The Water. Was that a crappy song? Hell no!
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Post by liza on May 30, 2015 12:22:02 GMT -5
We all know there are many wonderful, talented, professional people in the industry. But some of the comments I've seen on social media from radio insiders show that it's way past time for some much needed change. I hope some people - artists, radio personalities, station owners, labels, advertisers - will take this and try to make a difference.
Sadly, the battle over the rapidly changing landscape of the music and what's quality and what's not will probably slow any progress.
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Post by StillTheSame on May 30, 2015 12:28:50 GMT -5
"So if Jennifer Nettles, Martina McBride, Miranda Lambert, and all the others who are so righteously indignant would kindly get off your high horses and do your job- making good country music, I'll do my job- digging through the crap you send me to find the good stuff and playing it in a way that listeners will actualy hear it with out flipping the station." This quote is an absolute abomination. Thank you. I would love for one of the ladies to get wind of this comment and really give him a kick in the teeth but that would add more unnecessary fuel to the fire. The JNett fan in me personally was very insulted. It's called having an opinion dimwit (not you)
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Post by countrygirl918 on May 30, 2015 14:40:58 GMT -5
"So if Jennifer Nettles, Martina McBride, Miranda Lambert, and all the others who are so righteously indignant would kindly get off your high horses and do your job- making good country music, I'll do my job- digging through the crap you send me to find the good stuff and playing it in a way that listeners will actualy hear it with out flipping the station." This quote is an absolute abomination. It's people like this that will be the downfall of country radio. It's kind of too bad, because I know there are some wonderful people working in radio that don't agree with those kinds of comments, but I guess the old guard just regards them like the rest of us: "uptight".
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Post by sbp17 on May 30, 2015 16:30:15 GMT -5
This Carson tool is even worse than Hill. Martina's response, in particular, to the original article was classy and elegant so he's clearly not paying attention given his "indignant", "high horse" and "crappy" jabs. Second, he's contradicting himself (which is the same thing Hill did) in moving from what they perceive to be objective statistics to subjective quality in their argument.
And my God, is it scary that there's a radio consultant and programmer who honestly feel that the music being churned out by many of the male hitmakers is of a greater quality than that of females not being played.
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