.indulgecountry
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Post by .indulgecountry on May 31, 2015 3:11:58 GMT -5
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Post by McCreerian (Harris 2024!) on May 31, 2015 13:27:45 GMT -5
The women of country need to start a new movement and call it Bra-Country.
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.indulgecountry
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Post by .indulgecountry on May 31, 2015 13:39:20 GMT -5
The women of country need to start a new movement and call it Bra-Country. Someone tweeted that phrase awhile ago, before this whole controversy erupted. I think it was Terri Clark.
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Post by McCreerian (Harris 2024!) on May 31, 2015 13:45:44 GMT -5
The women of country need to start a new movement and call it Bra-Country. Someone tweeted that phrase awhile ago, before this whole controversy erupted. I think it was Terri Clark. Haha sounds like her
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on May 31, 2015 13:48:50 GMT -5
I tweeted a bit with him yesterday - just to see. He repeats how he has "facts" and that's it. It's entertaining. Is he of a consulting firm or does he have a high position internal of a radio company itself? Because if he's of a separate external firm, they will never get out of this disaster.
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Post by Kat5Kind on May 31, 2015 13:55:48 GMT -5
Bobby Bones has now stepped into this. I can't link the tweets, can someone do it for me?
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Post by McCreerian (Harris 2024!) on May 31, 2015 13:58:38 GMT -5
Bobby said next week starting June 8 will be Women of Country week. He wants to know who fans want to hear.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2015 14:02:56 GMT -5
Dang it Bobby Bones does something right. Well hopefully this helps Kelsea and Carrie Underwood songs! Yay
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trebor
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Post by trebor on May 31, 2015 14:07:57 GMT -5
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Post by sabre14 on May 31, 2015 14:19:35 GMT -5
I know this was two or three days ago but this a article in the Tennessean about Hill "clarifying" some of his remarks: Some of the quotes from Keith Hill: Couple things: Uh, how about not using food in comparison to women on country radio, at all... No, it does represents the "mass country audience" Keith. Perhaps not the demo that you're are targeting to satisfy, but you said country audience and I can say without a doubt that the majority of country fans desire more females on the radio. He did just say in the in interview he did with the Washington Post that if women artists want to get played more then make better music, with "better crafted lyrics" right? So why is he now saying that he personally likes women music? No one is arguing for more Americana (although that would be nice for a change). They're just arguing for more women artist to be played on radio and for radio to stop chasing the 18-34 male demo. This isn't a recipe for long term success as I don't see how catering to multi-format fans will help this genre for the long haul. It will either cause country radio to be a poor man's top 40 format, or fragmentation.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on May 31, 2015 14:27:52 GMT -5
Even looking beyond the political incorrectness of it all, it's beyond me that he doesn't seem to understand that his presentation of these "facts" (are they even available anywhere?) is what is problematic. He's telling radio to stop playing female artists. As I tweeted at him, he's essentially attempting to harm the livelihood of not only the artists themselves, but also the songwriters and everyone who works with female country artists, all for the sake of ratings for his own radio stations. How can he not see how problematic that is? Maybe it's good for him in the short term but if radio took his advice point-blank, the long term results for the country industry would suck. I'm annoyed at how okay he is that he is taking his own 'research' and advising others to act on it in a way that benefits him, fuck everyone else, when he could use his information to do further research that could actually help out the industry, including the female artists.
Either way, I think the blowback from this whole situation will have a greater inverse impact than he intends.
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Post by 14887fan on May 31, 2015 14:48:43 GMT -5
I'm glad he's victimizing himself. He's just proving how weak and feeble he and his argument have been since this article first came out. He isn't a victim, but if that's the only direction he knows to go in right now, then so be it. Nobody's going to give him sympathy.
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Post by Kanenrá:ke on May 31, 2015 16:08:04 GMT -5
I didn't like the way he worded his original statement but he was just technically doing his job, and I didn't think it was meant as a judgement on females just pointing out the reality. Unfortunately for him he kept talking and revealed that it is is opinion and he dug himself into a hole. Hopefully good will come of this by forcing people to realize that while it's basically already a written rule and we're just accepting it. change can come for the better from this, he shown the light on it! lol
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on May 31, 2015 23:52:22 GMT -5
He tweeted to me that he would give $5000 to any top 5 station in any top 100 market that played 50% females for six months.
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Post by sabre14 on Jun 1, 2015 0:00:58 GMT -5
He tweeted to me that he would give $5000 to any top 5 station in any top 100 market that played 50% females for six months. It looks downright scary talking to that man on twitter.
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Post by countrygirl918 on Jun 1, 2015 0:17:49 GMT -5
He tweeted to me that he would give $5000 to any top 5 station in any top 100 market that played 50% females for six months. It looks downright scary talking to that man on twitter. I don't understand how he convinces anyone to hire him.
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Post by sbp17 on Jun 1, 2015 4:14:29 GMT -5
And can someone explain to him....slowly....that no one has asked that stations play 50% females. With a cursory review, around 10% of the current top 25 songs have female lead vocalists. That's one female for every nine males. If he's still not getting it, try one tomato for every 9 leaves of lettuce. That is the problem.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Jun 1, 2015 15:51:18 GMT -5
Kacey tweeted a picture of a woman in a tomato costume with the words "Halloween costume. Ladies?" and tagged Hill.
Love her!
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Post by 14887fan on Jun 1, 2015 18:05:32 GMT -5
This has become quite the movement, and rightfully so. Glad to see the mess that Country radio made has finally become headline news, and is even being addressed by its key stars on major platforms.
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Post by carriekins on Jun 1, 2015 19:39:52 GMT -5
This will apparently be addressed in tonight's Aircheck with female programmers weighing in. (Via Grady Smith.)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2015 19:45:47 GMT -5
This will apparently be addressed in tonight's Aircheck with female programmers weighing in. (Via Grady Smith.) I'm afraid that most of them are going to defend Hill. I don't like Country Aircheck's take on a lot of things...not one bit. Lon Helton is firmly in Keith Hill's corner. I'm just not a fan of how Country Aircheck writes about deeper issues/big stories within the genre. They come across extremely biased and never present more than one point-of-view.
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Post by carriekins on Jun 1, 2015 19:48:37 GMT -5
This will apparently be addressed in tonight's Aircheck with female programmers weighing in. (Via Grady Smith.) I'm afraid that most of them are going to defend Hill. I don't like Country Aircheck's take on a lot of things...not one bit. Lon Helton is firmly in Keith Hill's corner. I'm just not a fan of how Country Aircheck writes about deeper issues/big stories within the genre. They come across extremely biased and never present more than one point-of-view. I definitely don't disagree. I was just pointing out it would be in there. :)
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.indulgecountry
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Post by .indulgecountry on Jun 1, 2015 19:49:22 GMT -5
This will apparently be addressed in tonight's Aircheck with female programmers weighing in. (Via Grady Smith.) I've seen a fair share of pretty disappointing comments from females in the same position, but I'm hoping for the best here. *fingers crossed*
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Post by sabre14 on Jun 1, 2015 19:50:13 GMT -5
This will apparently be addressed in tonight's Aircheck with female programmers weighing in. (Via Grady Smith.) I'm afraid that most of them are going to defend Hill. I don't like Country Aircheck's take on a lot of things...not one bit. Lon Helton is firmly in Keith Hill's corner. I'm just not a fan of how Country Aircheck writes about deeper issues/big stories within the genre. They come across extremely biased and never present more than one point-of-view. Neither am I. Lon Helton, while a smart veteran in radio, always slants his articles to fit his point of view. Sure there's some opposing views but the biased side always wins out. Aircheck is going to print articles that suits Lon's views and that's the reason the Keith Hill interview was in last week's issue in the first place.
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Post by sabre14 on Jun 1, 2015 19:53:36 GMT -5
The issue is out...and judging by the first page, our fears were realized.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Jun 1, 2015 19:55:19 GMT -5
Do we believe the 'facts' Hill has presented to be wrong or just not fully realized or interpreted to the full extent?
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Post by sabre14 on Jun 1, 2015 20:06:15 GMT -5
Here's the two articles "Addressing SaladGate" in Country Aircheck: Aircheck
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Post by liza on Jun 1, 2015 23:29:24 GMT -5
I don't understand why they interviewed women and no men. It's as if they thought "the women are bitching so let's get the radio women to set them straight". They miss the point entirely. I want to hear from radio, not a segment of it.
I'm glad I quit listening country radio.
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Post by liza on Jun 1, 2015 23:55:37 GMT -5
Do we believe the 'facts' Hill has presented to be wrong or just not fully realized or interpreted to the full extent? Have you heard of this woman - Jaye Albright? Her name keeps popping up in comments and articles as a respected consultant. There is a post on her FB page (under a pic of tomatoes that she posted) and the comments are interesting. She doesn't agree with Hill. She was also quoted on All Access www.allaccess.com/net-news/archive/story/141929/keith-hill-i-have-now-received-death-threats-for-c
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Jun 2, 2015 0:06:08 GMT -5
Do we believe the 'facts' Hill has presented to be wrong or just not fully realized or interpreted to the full extent? Have you heard of this woman - Jaye Albright? Her name keeps popping up in comments and articles as a respected consultant. There is a post on her FB page (under a pic of tomatoes that she posted) and the comments are interesting. She doesn't agree with Hill. She was also quoted on All Access www.allaccess.com/net-news/archive/story/141929/keith-hill-i-have-now-received-death-threats-for-cI'd like to hear more from her about why she doesn't agree with him. Personally, I don't doubt Hill's stats. I'm sure the numbers suggest that playing women on country radio causes ratings to fall is probably true. However, I don't think it's as simple as that and especially put the way he put it - if he worked for anyone other than himself, he'd be out of a job right now. What I wonder though is, is there potential to tap into a bigger audience by actually playing more music? My thoughts are that Hill's research focused only on current country radio audiences, which is probably limited. I'm willing to bet there are a lot of people who would listen to country radio if the playlists were more varied. Hill insists that he's increased women and ratings dropped and that 15% is the magic number for females on country radio. But I'm wondering if maybe people tuned out long ago and aren't aware when country radio increases the play of women because they don't listen to it. I feel like if there was a push, with promotion and publicity and all that stuff, that advertised new revamped country playlists that happened to include more women, whether it might bring in new listeners who gave up long ago? I'm just confused about why radio airplay and sales for country music are so disconnected from each other. And the main issue I have with Hill's recommendation from his 'research' is that there isn't further research to find out why. He's perfectly content to say "ok. 15% and that's enough tomatoes."
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