Billboard Hot 100: 09/12/15

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Still pressed that Animals didn't get #1 because of them :( even though I liked both those songs a lot too

[Kworb]

Sales estimates

1. Can't Feel My Face 119,000
2. The Hills 107,000
3. Locked Away 93,000
4. Cheerleader 88,000
5. Watch Me 84,000
6. Drag Me Down 71,000
7. 679 69,000
8. Fight Song 69,000
9. Stitches 67,000
10. Good For You 67,000
11. Smoke Break 66,000
12. Lean On 56,000
13. Marvin Gaye 55,000
14. Cool For The Summer 52,000
15. Photograph 51,000
16. Uma Thurman 45,000
17. Hotline Bling 44,000

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The Weeknd slaying sales top two this week 

[Verisimilitude]

Spotify US Weekly Top 20 Streams 08/22/2015 - 08/28/2015:

1 (=). Can't Feel My Face 5,169,594 (+84,913 from last week)
2 (+1). The Hills 4,988,418 (+717,808)
3 (-1). 679 4,688,752 (+130,741)
4 (=). Lean On 3,941,871 (+35,032)
5 (+2). Hotline Bling 3,657,849 (+354,945)
6 (-1). Good For You 3,432,863 (-24,111)
7 (-1). Cheerleader 3,391,474 (+13,250)
8 (=). Trap Queen 3,125,621 (-56,202)
9 (=). Drag Me Down 3,105,589 (+123,141)
10 (=). Where Are U Now 2,848,642 (-49,686)

11 (+1). My Way 2,775,339 (-8,843)
12 (-1). Watch Me (Whip / Nae Nae) 2,686,022 (-114,106)
13 (=). Cool For The Summer 2,610,152 (-1,793)
14 (+7). Locked Away 2,604,239 (+493,621)
15 (-1). All Eyes On You 2,493,373 (-37,869)
16 (-1). Back To Back 2,353,283 (-169)
17 (NEW). Again 2,338,074 (+596,550)
18 (-1). Classic Man 2,267,312 (+4,968)
19 (-1). Flex (Ooh, Ooh, Ooh) 2,261,858 (+36,600)
20 (=). Photograph 2,220,726 (+45,101)

Bubbling Under
21 (+2). This Could Be Us 2,218,648 (+152,349)
22 (-6). See You Again 2,132,155 (-166,491)
23 (NEW). Marvin Gaye 2,115,182 (+157,234)
24 (-5). You Know You Like It 2,114,067 (-108,088)
25 (NEW). Stitches 2,094,258 (+231,209)
26 (-4). Shut Up And Dance 2,025,282 (-52,649)
27. Post To Be 2,009,480

[Gary]

STILL 'UPTOWN'

@gthot20 Uptown Funk is now up to 40 weeks in the Top 20 (18 or higher every week). Where does that rank all time?

Brian C. Cole ‏@brianccole

Hi Brian,

Mark Ronson's "Uptown Funk!," featuring Bruno Mars, soared 65-18 on the Hot 100 dated Dec. 6, 2014 and has, as you note, been imbedded in the top 20 since. (How long ago was December 2014? At the time, the Boston Red Sox and Washington Nationals were considered 2015 World Series favorites and Donald Trump was campaigning, for TV ratings, with these running mates.)

With 40 (of its 41 total) weeks on the Hot 100 in the top 20, here's a look at the songs to spend the most time in the region:

Weeks in Top 20, Title, Artist, Peak, Year
46 weeks, "You Were Meant for Me"/"Foolish Games," Jewel, No. 2, 1997
40, "Uptown Funk!," Mark Ronson feat. Bruno Mars, No. 1 (14 weeks), 2015
40, "Party Rock Anthem," LMFAO feat. Lauren Bennett and GoonRock, No. 1 (six), 2011
38, "Smooth," Santana feat. Rob Thomas, No. 1 (12), 1999
38, "Too Close," Next, No. 1 (five), 1998
37, "Radioactive," Imagine Dragons, No. 3, 2013
37, "I Gotta Feeling," the Black Eyed Peas, No. 1 (14), 2009
37, "How Do I Live," LeAnn Rimes, No. 2, 1997
36, "Truly Madly Deeply," Savage Garden, No. 1 (two), 1998
34, "Dark Horse," Katy Perry feat. Juicy J, No. 1 (four), 2014
34, "Love Story," Taylor Swift, No. 4, 2009
34, "Macarena (Bayside Boys Mix)," Los Del Rio, No. 1 (14), 1996

It's worth pointing out that the leader on the list above ranks first largely because of its release as a double-sided commercial single, with Jewel having totaled that run thanks to each song's radio run (and at a time when double-sided physical singles were eligible to chart as one Hot 100 entry). Thus, this week, "Funk" ties "Anthem" for the most weeks in the top 20 among singular songs (excluding A and B sides combined).

[THINKIN BOUT YOU]

If it were 1998 right now, then could Taylor Swift do double-side as well like Shake It Off /Blank Space? Then she can effortlessly overtake Uptown Funk and get the song of the decade..

[lyhom]

thankfully for the hot 100's credibility, it isn't 1998 anymore then lmao

[ry4n]

If it were 1998, they would delete Shake It Off pre-maturely to make way for Blank Space

[Gary]

In 1998 this was a "singles" chart, so it was still measuring the most popular "singles" in the way it always had. That doesn't make the chart more or less credible because it was accurately doing what it was designed to do.

Now however, it is a popular songs chart rather than a singles chart.


I think we might be blaming the chart for the changing market. Where they used to mean the same thing, the difference in the meanings between "single" and "popular song" were clearly different in 1998.

[badrobot]

I do think Billboard was much slower to adapt to market changes in the mid-late 90s, though.

For all the complaints today about formula tweaks today, they are at least much more cognizant of a need to constantly re-evaluate criteria to keep the chart in sync with market changes. At least today, I think we won't ever look back and say "wow that song didn't even chart and it was huge." At worst, the chart just maybe under- or over-emphasizes certain songs based on the criteria at the time. (For example, imagine if YouTube/streaming had been included during Gaga's heyday when her videos were "events" -- she might have close to 10 #1 singles instead of just 3 -- but at least all her hits charted, unlike Don't Speak or Lovefool.)

[lyhom]

I'd argue that it wasn't a very credible singles chart either, as it took some time to adapt to the radio only singles other than "it doesn't have a physical release so we're not counting it" and it was a lot easier to fudge high debuts since labels could easily hold off a physical release

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I'm pretty sure The Hills was officially released as a single before CFMF. That being said, I hope The Hills can somehow make it to #1. It would be only the second instance (the other one being What's My Name/Only Girl (In The World)) where a single reached #1 after its follow-up single...

[Gary]

Aug 28, 2015 12:23:01 GMT -5 lyhom said:

I'd argue that it wasn't a very credible singles chart either, as it took some time to adapt to the radio only singles other than "it doesn't have a physical release so we're not counting it" and it was a lot easier to fudge high debuts since labels could easily hold off a physical release

Disagree


"Radio-only singles" at the time were not defined as singles since they were not released as a single.


They may have been worked at radio but, since you couldn't buy it, at the time, they were not "singles".  The radio songs were more popular than the singles in a lot of cases as such, at this time, the Hot 100 singles chart was not measuring the most popular songs in the country as they may have wanted to do, they were however, measuring the most popular "singles" in the country


I do agree that the chart was slow in adapting to market changes though. 

[Enigma.]

Aug 28, 2015 12:24:24 GMT -5 @markg94 said:

I'm pretty sure The Hills was officially released as a single before CFMF. That being said, I hope The Hills can somehow make it to #1. It would be only the second instance (the other one being What's My Name/Only Girl (In The World)) where a single reached #1 after its follow-up single...

Wasn't that the case with The Way You Move/Hey Ya?

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Aug 28, 2015 12:49:37 GMT -5 Enigma. said:

Aug 28, 2015 12:24:24 GMT -5 @markg94 said:

I'm pretty sure The Hills was officially released as a single before CFMF. That being said, I hope The Hills can somehow make it to #1. It would be only the second instance (the other one being What's My Name/Only Girl (In The World)) where a single reached #1 after its follow-up single...

Wasn't that the case with The Way You Move/Hey Ya?

Sorry I mixed something up. WMN/OH(ITW) was the only case where the album's debut single hit #1 after the second single. The Hills and CFMF are the third and fourth singles of BBTM, respectively.

[Au$tin]

Aug 28, 2015 12:53:30 GMT -5 @markg94 said:

Aug 28, 2015 12:49:37 GMT -5 Enigma. said:

Wasn't that the case with The Way You Move/Hey Ya?

Sorry I mixed something up. WMN/OH(ITW) was the only case where the album's debut single hit #1 after the second single. The Hills and CFMF are the third and fourth singles of BBTM, respectively.

Third and fourth? Wasn't "Often" the only other single?

Edit:
Oh, "Earned It" is on the album. Well, I wouldn't really count that since it probably was never intended to be, just happened because of its success from FSOG soundtrack.

[jebsib]

Billboard tried to change their charts in the mid 90s to allow airplay only songs entry, 3 years before the change;
The Labels kept quibbling and shot down all the test charts.
(See various Hot 100 Spotlight columns from 1996)

[velaxti]

Aug 28, 2015 12:24:24 GMT -5 @markg94 said:

I'm pretty sure The Hills was officially released as a single before CFMF. That being said, I hope The Hills can somehow make it to #1. It would be only the second instance (the other one being What's My Name/Only Girl (In The World)) where a single reached #1 after its follow-up single...

If you go by radio adds for the "release" date then The Hills is the 4th single I think, if you go by download release then it's the 3rd single.

I think it's best to go by (pop) radio adds date. For example:

- Titanium by David Guetta was released on iTunes before Turn Me On and Without You, but it became a single after them.
- E.T. by Katy Perry was released on iTunes before Firework, but it was a single after it.
- Imma Be by the Black Eyed Peas was released on iTunes before Meet Me Halfway, but was a single after it.

Similarly, The Hills was released on iTunes before Can't Feel My Face, but it's the single after it imo.

In the case of Only Girl and What's My Name?, even though the latter reached #1 first, it was very clear that Only Girl was the 1st single and What's My Name? 2nd.

[ry4n]

Weren't Titanium, ET, and Imma Be initially promotional singles?

[85la]

Aug 28, 2015 13:22:42 GMT -5 jebsib said:

Billboard tried to change their charts in the mid 90s to allow airplay only songs entry, 3 years before the change;
The Labels kept quibbling and shot down all the test charts.
(See various Hot 100 Spotlight columns from 1996)

That's interesting. You'd think they would be all for allowing airplay-only songs to chart, because they would get to appear on the Hot 100 and still lead to supposedly higher album sales.

[felipe]

Aug 28, 2015 13:02:51 GMT -5 Au$tin said:

Aug 28, 2015 12:53:30 GMT -5 @markg94 said:

Sorry I mixed something up. WMN/OH(ITW) was the only case where the album's debut single hit #1 after the second single. The Hills and CFMF are the third and fourth singles of BBTM, respectively.

Third and fourth? Wasn't "Often" the only other single?

Edit:
Oh, "Earned It" is on the album. Well, I wouldn't really count that since it probably was never intended to be, just happened because of its success from FSOG soundtrack.

I wouldn't consider Oftern a single either, since it was not really promoting an album on July 2014. It's just that now the album will be released and they're including both Often and Earned it on it. But I understand each person can look at the situation differently.

[THINKIN BOUT YOU]

Aug 28, 2015 12:04:16 GMT -5 ry4n said:

If it were 1998, they would delete Shake It Off pre-maturely to make way for Blank Space

Why would they delete? If so then why did Jewel's two hit songs get to coexist and share the same chart run?

[Gary]

Aug 28, 2015 17:43:00 GMT -5 THINKIN BOUT YOU said:

Aug 28, 2015 12:04:16 GMT -5 ry4n said:

If it were 1998, they would delete Shake It Off pre-maturely to make way for Blank Space

Why would they delete? If so then why did Jewel's two hit songs get to coexist and share the same chart run?

Many singles had limited production cycles and pulled after a certain period.

The Jewel example was that both songs existed on the same single

[KeepDeanWeird]

Aug 28, 2015 17:48:35 GMT -5 Gary said:

Aug 28, 2015 17:43:00 GMT -5 THINKIN BOUT YOU said:

Why would they delete? If so then why did Jewel's two hit songs get to coexist and share the same chart run?

Many singles had limited production cycles and pulled after a certain period.

The Jewel example was that both songs existed on the same single

And in fact Billboard wasn't even aware that FG was the on the YWMFM single for several weeks - it wasn't until it shot up from something like 25-12, that Billboard announced FG qualified for the chart because it was on the single - several weeks after FG was climbing the radio chart. Keep in mind two things: 1) there was little, if any, product left on the shelves by the time this happened - so it's not like people were buying it - they couldn't; 2) the version on the single was the album version, while the version receiving airplay was the remixed/resung version from the Batman Returns soundtrack.

[felipe]

But why would a label put two singles on the same disc? Did they charge more for that as opposed to "regular" one single discs? Because otherwise it's like they deliberately trying to get people not to buy the album.

[ry4n]

No, it was a double-A side. All singles, since the dawn of vinyl, had two songs on them.

[Gary]

You Were Meant For Me was the single. Long before Foolish Games got picked up. As stated radio started playing a mix of Foolish Games for the movie. This was going to be a radio only track but all forgot until well after release that the album version had already been released as the 2nd track on the CD. Even Billboard forgot initially. Hence the weird reversal in the chart run.

A/B "sides" is a vinyl term.

[felipe]

Aug 28, 2015 19:53:51 GMT -5 ry4n said:

No, it was a double-A side. All singles, since the dawn of vinyl, had two songs on them.

What is a double-A side? I thought single cds only included songs that were left out of the album, live versions, remixes, not potential future singles.

[Gary]

Any song is a potential single. A 2nd track could be another album cut that later becomes a hit but was not initially meant to

By "double A". He meant both songs became hits. CD singles contained often more than one extra track and many included other album tracks not just live versions and mixes

[felipe]

So it was common back then for a second or third single to have already been included as a "bonus track" on a previous single?

By the time Follish Games became an official single, wouldn't it have made more sense to remove the single from stores, since getting two singles for the price of one would likely stop people from buying the full album?

Sorry if my questions are too silly, but we never have physical singles released in my country, so I'm trying to understand how it worked.