Billboard Hot 100 : 10/10/15

[THINKIN BOUT YOU]

Hotline Bling without a damn video and #6 on streaming songs
While Wildest Dreams with a bedazzling vid was #36 on streaming songs last week..
Obviously a lot of people are not like me
Spotify spotify spotify

[Clode]

Sept 23, 2015 16:19:14 GMT -5 THINKIN BOUT YOU said:

Sept 23, 2015 6:40:09 GMT -5 felipe said:

I know I'm late to the discussion, but I only downloaded Spotify this week and didn't know exactly how it worked before. I always assumed Spotify was like Netflix, you have some new movies, some old movies, and can only watch them online. Therefore Netflix is unable to fully substitute movie theaters or other plataforms. But on Spotify you have access to most new songs and you can even save them to listen to whenever you want, even offline. So why would someone pay 10 dollars for a digital album instead of a Spotify subscription? I can understand the appeal that physical media still has to a lot of people, but why do millions of Americans still buy music on iTunes? Am I missing something here?

I ALWAYS buy music on iTunes. Imagine if you love a song that much, it would hurt a lot if you don't pay for it.. For me, I only buy songs that's worth the penny, but I never want to try Spotify, like, ever

Yea while other songs such as SYA aren't worth a single penny :)

[Deleted]

Sept 23, 2015 16:29:27 GMT -5 THINKIN BOUT YOU said:

Hotline Bling without a damn video and #6 on streaming songs
While Wildest Dreams with a bedazzling vid was #36 on streaming songs last week..
Obviously a lot of people are not like me
Spotify spotify spotify

I hope the video comes out soon! I want to see Hotline Bling do at least as well as Hold On, We're Going Home (though genre-wise the two songs are different)!

[THINKIN BOUT YOU]

Sept 23, 2015 16:40:50 GMT -5 Clode said:

Sept 23, 2015 16:19:14 GMT -5 THINKIN BOUT YOU said:

I ALWAYS buy music on iTunes. Imagine if you love a song that much, it would hurt a lot if you don't pay for it.. For me, I only buy songs that's worth the penny, but I never want to try Spotify, like, ever

Yea while other songs such as SYA aren't worth a single penny :)

Sarcasm don't ya?

[wjr15]

I prefer to buy the songs I really like on iTunes cause I want my money to go toward the artist. I know Spotify pays artists too but it's much less than what an artist would make from an actual sale. I have Spotify but I only use it to explore new music or play a song that I just want to hear but don't like it enough to buy it.

[Deleted]

There might not be a video due to it not being a single from his upcoming album. Still, "Hotline Bling" looks like is going to be a huge fall hit.

[imbondz]

It'd be interesting to know how much theft is still going on. There's no incentive to pay for a subscription service if you're stealing it still.

Every now and then someone will release the top songs that were illegally downloaded. Usually is close to the top sellers tho.

[Dylan :)]

Sept 23, 2015 20:54:23 GMT -5 imbondz said:

It'd be interesting to know how much theft is still going on. There's no incentive to pay for a subscription service if you're stealing it still.

Every now and then someone will release the top songs that were illegally downloaded. Usually is close to the top sellers tho.

How do they measure that? There are a multiple of sites you can download from. The various YouTuber converters, torrent sites, iTunes file sites, etc.

Since I have Android, I only purchase stuff on iTunes on my iPad if it is Sia or Ariana to support them, other than that, I use my data for YouTube. I only get 5GB of data and use it constantly, but it somehow seems to last the month..

[Enigma.]

Hotline Bling is so good! His best single since Hold on We're Going Home

[felipe]

Sept 23, 2015 17:25:47 GMT -5 wjr15 said:

I prefer to buy the songs I really like on iTunes cause I want my money to go toward the artist. I know Spotify pays artists too but it's much less than what an artist would make from an actual sale. I have Spotify but I only use it to explore new music or play a song that I just want to hear but don't like it enough to buy it.

But do artists make a lot of money off iTunes sales though? I recall someone mentioning here they actually get very little from digital sales, I don't know if that's true.

[Gary]

Artists get more money from an iTunes sale than a Spotify stream


Three options to "consume" music. Own it, rent it or get it for free.

The "get it for free" piece is popular but seems limited on what you can do with the songs.

Renting songs for 10 bucks a month seems good too but like Netflix, it goes away when you stop paying the bill.

My motivation to buy songs is more about enjoyment of music and personal control over the music I purchase(don't need Wi-Fi to play it, etc.). In my case anyway, make sure the artists get their money is not a consideration.

[JamaicaFunk²]

Sept 24, 2015 8:27:42 GMT -5 felipe said:

Sept 23, 2015 17:25:47 GMT -5 wjr15 said:

I prefer to buy the songs I really like on iTunes cause I want my money to go toward the artist. I know Spotify pays artists too but it's much less than what an artist would make from an actual sale. I have Spotify but I only use it to explore new music or play a song that I just want to hear but don't like it enough to buy it.

But do artists make a lot of money off iTunes sales though? I recall someone mentioning here they actually get very little from digital sales, I don't know if that's true.

I remember years ago reading that artists will make about 10 cents per digital sale. If the artist is the songwriter and/or producer, it's surely more than that amount.

[Enigma.]

This is related to the conversation, although a bit off topic regarding Hot 100:
www.nme.com/news/various-artists/88542

The thing is, if you do it all by yourself, you do get a bit of money from streaming. But for a songwriter it's all about radio.

[prenatt1166]

useless chart trivia:

After The Weeknd held at #5 for a couple weeks, "The Hills" climbed 5-4-3-2-1 without stopping, matching the same chart run to number one by Gotye "Somebody That I Used To Know" and Lady Gaga "Just Dance". The last song with a longer one position per week climb to number one was "Hey There Delilah" by The Plain White T's who climbed 6-5-4-3-2-1 in 2007.

[jenglisbe]

Sept 23, 2015 15:10:55 GMT -5 Gary said:

Like everything else Streaming too will peak. The success of Apple Music may delay it a bit but there are already signs that the growth is slowing.

www.digitalmusicnews.com/2015/09/22/what-if-there-arent-any-more-streaming-music-subscribers/

What If There Aren’t Any More Streaming Music Subscribers?

In about one month’s time, we’ll know how many people are willing to pay for Apple Music. That number is absolutely critical to the future of streaming music, a sector that is proving ineffective at getting enough people to pay. According to the latest data released by Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA), paying subscribers increased just 2.5 percent in the past year, to 8.1 million by the mid-point of 2015.

The stat bears repeating: paying subscribers only increased 2.5 percent in the past year in the United States, the largest music economy in the world.

The question is critical, because without more paying subscribes, there really isn’t a sustainable streaming music business. a quick look at the data shows that paying subscribers contribute disproportionately large amounts of revenue: in fact, 73 percent of all streaming music revenue comes from paying subscribers (for year 2014). The remaining 27 percent comes from advertising, or ‘freemium,’ which means that most users are contributing very little revenue to companies like Spotify.

www.digitalmusicnews.com/2015/09/22/what-if-there-arent-any-more-streaming-music-subscribers/

I find this all fascinating. What is the next step? I mean, who could have predicted streaming 20 years ago. Well, it actually seems kind of obvious in hindsight. Anyway, my point is that it's hard to fathom what would be easier/better than streaming, but if more money can be made by some other method, you know it will be developed and marketed.

To the Hot 100 specifically, I can't think of a more unlikely #1 in recent times than "The Hills." What I mean is, it just doesn't have the sound of a #1. It doesn't fit current trends, is fairly dark and provocative, isn't obviously catchy, etc. I don't mean any of that in a negative way as I love the song and love The Weeknd; I just mean that it's a very surprising big hit.

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Sept 24, 2015 20:26:19 GMT -5 prenatt1166 said:

useless chart trivia:

After The Weeknd held at #5 for a couple weeks, "The Hills" climbed 5-4-3-2-1 without stopping, matching the same chart run to number one by Gotye "Somebody That I Used To Know" and Lady Gaga "Just Dance". The last song with a longer one position per week climb to number one was "Hey There Delilah" by The Plain White T's who climbed 6-5-4-3-2-1 in 2007.

Didn't Viva La Vida do something like that in 2008?

[Au$tin]

Sept 24, 2015 21:09:47 GMT -5 @markg94 said:

Sept 24, 2015 20:26:19 GMT -5 prenatt1166 said:

useless chart trivia:

After The Weeknd held at #5 for a couple weeks, "The Hills" climbed 5-4-3-2-1 without stopping, matching the same chart run to number one by Gotye "Somebody That I Used To Know" and Lady Gaga "Just Dance". The last song with a longer one position per week climb to number one was "Hey There Delilah" by The Plain White T's who climbed 6-5-4-3-2-1 in 2007.

Didn't Viva La Vida do something like that in 2008?

15-41-10-3-2-1...

[THINKIN BOUT YOU]

Sept 24, 2015 21:09:47 GMT -5 @markg94 said:

Sept 24, 2015 20:26:19 GMT -5 prenatt1166 said:

useless chart trivia:

After The Weeknd held at #5 for a couple weeks, "The Hills" climbed 5-4-3-2-1 without stopping, matching the same chart run to number one by Gotye "Somebody That I Used To Know" and Lady Gaga "Just Dance". The last song with a longer one position per week climb to number one was "Hey There Delilah" by The Plain White T's who climbed 6-5-4-3-2-1 in 2007.

Didn't Viva La Vida do something like that in 2008?

Haha! Smarty pants! It did 10-3-2-*1*-6! You're waaaay off! Woo!

[THINKIN BOUT YOU]

Sept 24, 2015 21:36:02 GMT -5 Au$tin said:

Sept 24, 2015 21:09:47 GMT -5 @markg94 said:

Didn't Viva La Vida do something like that in 2008?

15-41-10-3-2-1...

Yeah exactly! That's more than rare to be like 10-3-2-*1*-6.. Why did it tumble so hard after breaking its back climbing to the summit?

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[Au$tin]

Sept 24, 2015 21:37:41 GMT -5 THINKIN BOUT YOU said:

Sept 24, 2015 21:36:02 GMT -5 Au$tin said:

15-41-10-3-2-1...

Yeah exactly! That's more than rare to be like 10-3-2-*1*-6.. Why did it tumble so hard after breaking its back climbing to the summit?

Well, I don't know what made it tumble five slots in one week, but the reason it never returned was because "I Kissed a Girl" came along. My guess is that IKAG took over #1 on iTunes, taking the #1 exposure bump away from VLV, and VLV didn't have enough airplay to compete with the monsters around it: IKAG, Lollipop, Bleeding Love, Take a Bow, Pocketful of Sunshine

[THINKIN BOUT YOU]

Sept 24, 2015 21:40:06 GMT -5 Au$tin said:

Sept 24, 2015 21:37:41 GMT -5 THINKIN BOUT YOU said:

Yeah exactly! That's more than rare to be like 10-3-2-*1*-6.. Why did it tumble so hard after breaking its back climbing to the summit?

Well, I don't know what made it tumble five slots in one week, but the reason it never returned was because "I Kissed a Girl" came along. My guess is that IKAG took over #1 on iTunes, taking the #1 exposure bump away from VLV, and VLV didn't have enough airplay to compete with the monsters around it: IKAG, Lollipop, Bleeding Love, Take a Bow, Pocketful of Sunshine

Is your avatar your selfie?

[Au$tin]

Sept 24, 2015 21:45:36 GMT -5 THINKIN BOUT YOU said:

Sept 24, 2015 21:40:06 GMT -5 Au$tin said:

Well, I don't know what made it tumble five slots in one week, but the reason it never returned was because "I Kissed a Girl" came along. My guess is that IKAG took over #1 on iTunes, taking the #1 exposure bump away from VLV, and VLV didn't have enough airplay to compete with the monsters around it: IKAG, Lollipop, Bleeding Love, Take a Bow, Pocketful of Sunshine

Is your avatar your selfie?

yes

[badrobot]

I agree about The Hills being a surprising #1. The last time I was stunned by a #1 was Fireflies by Owl City, but for very different reasons -- that song just came out of nowhere and I didn't get what made it special compared to his other music considering he had never had a hit before.

[THINKIN BOUT YOU]

Sept 24, 2015 23:05:12 GMT -5 badrobot said:

I agree about The Hills being a surprising #1. The last time I was stunned by a #1 was Fireflies by Owl City, but for very different reasons -- that song just came out of nowhere and I didn't get what made it special compared to his other music considering he had never had a hit before.

Well, what about Harlem Shake?

[85la]

In order for subscription/streaming services to really start taking off and making money, all illegal sites will have to be shut down, which isn't going to happen, or the services will have to offer everything, if not more, than what the illegal sites offer, which they aren't doing.

[85la]

Sept 24, 2015 21:40:06 GMT -5 Au$tin said:

Sept 24, 2015 21:37:41 GMT -5 THINKIN BOUT YOU said:

Yeah exactly! That's more than rare to be like 10-3-2-*1*-6.. Why did it tumble so hard after breaking its back climbing to the summit?

Well, I don't know what made it tumble five slots in one week, but the reason it never returned was because "I Kissed a Girl" came along. My guess is that IKAG took over #1 on iTunes, taking the #1 exposure bump away from VLV, and VLV didn't have enough airplay to compete with the monsters around it: IKAG, Lollipop, Bleeding Love, Take a Bow, Pocketful of Sunshine

I also think the week it climbed to number one might have been the album release week, hence experiencing a boost from that (I don't think the Pre-Order/CMA rule was in effect then). Therefore, the 1-6 drop would have been the post-album release decline. Back when sales counted more, a fair number of songs would have similar drops in these situations, or especially post-release week of the single.

[Au$tin]

Sept 25, 2015 0:07:36 GMT -5 85la said:

Sept 24, 2015 21:40:06 GMT -5 Au$tin said:

Well, I don't know what made it tumble five slots in one week, but the reason it never returned was because "I Kissed a Girl" came along. My guess is that IKAG took over #1 on iTunes, taking the #1 exposure bump away from VLV, and VLV didn't have enough airplay to compete with the monsters around it: IKAG, Lollipop, Bleeding Love, Take a Bow, Pocketful of Sunshine

I also think the week it climbed to number one might have been the album release week, hence experiencing a boost from that (I don't think the Pre-Order/CMA rule was in effect then). Therefore, the 1-6 drop would have been the post-album release decline. Back when sales counted more, a fair number of songs would have similar drops in these situations, or especially post-release week of the single.

Looking at the digital sales history of VLV, it held #1 digitally for 3 weeks all of them in the 200-250k range, with the last week being the week it finally reached the summit on the Hot 100. The next week shows IKAG taking the top spot with the same number of sales, which is what suggested to me that VLV tumbled after losing the #1 on iTunes sales bump (which was much more of a thing back then than it is now).

[THINKIN BOUT YOU]

Sept 25, 2015 0:45:43 GMT -5 Au$tin said:

Sept 25, 2015 0:07:36 GMT -5 85la said:

I also think the week it climbed to number one might have been the album release week, hence experiencing a boost from that (I don't think the Pre-Order/CMA rule was in effect then). Therefore, the 1-6 drop would have been the post-album release decline. Back when sales counted more, a fair number of songs would have similar drops in these situations, or especially post-release week of the single.

Looking at the digital sales history of VLV, it held #1 digitally for 3 weeks all of them in the 200-250k range, with the last week being the week it finally reached the summit on the Hot 100. The next week shows IKAG taking the top spot with the same number of sales, which is what suggested to me that VLV tumbled after losing the #1 on iTunes sales bump (which was much more of a thing back then than it is now).

Viva la Vida! Hallelujah!

[badrobot]

Sept 24, 2015 23:49:19 GMT -5 THINKIN BOUT YOU said:

Sept 24, 2015 23:05:12 GMT -5 badrobot said:

I agree about The Hills being a surprising #1. The last time I was stunned by a #1 was Fireflies by Owl City, but for very different reasons -- that song just came out of nowhere and I didn't get what made it special compared to his other music considering he had never had a hit before.

Well, what about Harlem Shake?

That one was so unique because it legitimately had a weird viral craze.