Billboard Hot 100 : 10/24/2015

[House Lannister]

Oct 12, 2015 13:50:56 GMT -5 Enigma. said:

Oct 12, 2015 13:20:08 GMT -5 THINKIN BOUT YOU said:

From chart news:
Thinking Out Loud by @edsheeran becomes the 1st song to reach 500 million streams on @spotify.

That well explains why I never want to use Spotify.

Ummm... The idea of spotify is that you can listen to whatever you want.

Exactly.  That's how I finally heard Sam Smith's Bond theme.  In the film, it might prove decent.  But it's no Skyfall, that's for sure.

[lyhom]

I don't mind "watch me" at all, but how is it still rising lmao

[rimetm]

Oct 12, 2015 14:06:05 GMT -5 lyhom said:

I don't mind "watch me" at all, but how is it still rising lmao

The video below went viral (it's unlisted now, but it pulled about 5 million worldwide views). Combine that with the more-than-decent streaming it's still doing and yeah, rebound. Don't be surprised if it falls to #8 or #9 next week, which should give Good for You (rebounding thanks to the album) and Stitches (which is counting on timing to peak) a chance at good advancement.

[Deleted]

So Drake has matched his highest peak as a lead artist to date...come on, just one more! Also how many weeks at #1 is this for The Hill? 4? 5? Sorry I've lost track as I haven't been actively participating here in a couple weeks now lol

[House Lannister]

Couple of more positions thanks to the Billboard Article:

14. Downtown (up 1)
15. Hit the Quan (up 2)
16. Jumpman (up 5)

All are new peaks.

[kanimal]

Oct 12, 2015 13:42:12 GMT -5 Dylan :) said:

#38 Selena Gomez - Same Old Love
#? Meghan Trainor & John Legend - Like I'm Gonna Lose You (I missed it :( )
#23 Ellie Goulding - On My Mind
#22 One Direction - Drag Me Down (Bullet)
#14 Macklemore & Ryan Lewis - Downtown 
#10 Selena Gomez feat. A$AP Rocky - Good For You
#9 Taylor Swift - Wildest Dreams (Airplay Gainer)
#8 Shawn Mendes - Stitches
#7 R. City feat. Adam Levine - Locked Away
#6 The Weeknd - Can't Feel My Face
#5 Fetty Wap - 679
#4 Silento - Watch Me
#3 Justin Bieber - What Do You Mean? (#1 on pop)
#2 Drake - Hotline Bling
#1 The Weeknd - The Hills

Demi's Confident #26 on CHR

I heard #28 for Like I'm Gonna Lose You, but I could have sworn he said "rises from 32-28" (even though it was #33 last week).

In any event, I'm pretty sure #28 is the correct position.  Looks like the Chart News guy + people on other forums heard the same number.

[Dylan :)]

Thank you! Hope it can get top 20 soon!

[born]

Oct 12, 2015 14:02:43 GMT -5 House Lannister said:

Oct 12, 2015 9:09:07 GMT -5 born said:

Should we be expecting a Top 5 peak for 'Wildest Dreams' or 'Stiches' over the next few weeks? I really want WD to hit the top 5 (my fav from 1989 along with 'Style') and it's doing well on sales (surprisingly so) and radio. Bad streaming numbers tho. 'Stitches' is doing great too, I'm so glad he's finally having some single-success :)

I think Wildest Dreams could peak in the top 5.  Once Silento finally starts to drop and Fetty fades, Taylor could ascend to say 4 or 5.  But I think that's its peak now.  Can't see it reaching the top.

Stitches will probably peak no higher than 6 or 7 and that's if he gets some momentum at the same time some songs ahead of Stitches loses theirs.

I think Wildest Dreams will go as far as #6, like Style did. And also, I believe Stitches will definetely reach #6, but I don't think he will get any momentum at this point. I have no problem tho!

[House Lannister]

Oct 11, 2015 14:09:36 GMT -5 85la said:

Oct 11, 2015 10:34:46 GMT -5 Future Captain said:

You know, I'm wondering. Why does it seemed, especially since 2011, Alt hits crossover to Pop/HAC seemed to be easier than it is for Country hits to do so? I mean, this year alone, we already have two major Alt crossover (TMTC and SUAD), and if you want to count FOB, that's two more (Uma and Centuries), not to mention the smaller ones (Someone New, Cecilia, I Bet My Life), and the two that's currently climbing up (Renegades and Ex's and Oh's), while not even Sam Hunt managed to go top 20 in Pop.

Thoughts?

Country has always had a very hard time crossing over to pop/adult radio during any time period. Overall, if you look at it it's quite rare in fact. It's just much more of a niche genre.

I had to go back to 2013 to find a country band that hit the top 10 (Florida Georgia Line with Nelly---Cruise).  Before that, it happened in 2011 with Lady Antebellum---Just a Kiss.

Obviously as for artists, Taylor Swift had a plethora of hits during that time.  Carrie Underwood has had 3 top 10s (Before He Cheats, Inside Your Heaven, I Told You So) and three other top 20s, but none since 2012.  FGL had two other top 20s (Dirt, This is How We Roll), Brantley Gilbert has 1 (Bottoms Up), Tim McGraw has 2 top 10s (It's Your Love, Please Remember Me) and 3 more top 20s, but none since 2007, and Rascal Flatts had two top 10s (What Hurts the Most, Life is a Highway cover) and two more top 20s, but none since 2009.

So what's the takeaway?  It's kind of special for a country song to break into pop/hot adult contemporary.  Part of it is momentum (McGraw and Flatts were peaking in the mid 2000s, both are struggling to have country hits in that genre's new environment) and part of it is the right song.  Most stations will ignore country causing those songs to peak in the 30s and 40s.  For a song to go higher, it's got to either be a good fit with the pop/HAC genre or it's got to feature an artist who has momentum.  

I wouldn't be surprised to see Sam Hunt break through with Break Up in a Small Town.  He's already got some pull thanks to Take Your Time having made some stations and the song may fit more squarely in the pop genre than in country.

[THINKIN BOUT YOU]

My heart's yelling:" Silentó (shut up)! Silentó (shut up)! Silentoooooó (SHUT UP!!!!)"

[yuh yuh]

It's horrible, that Watch Me rebounded, but it should fall next week at least.
But I'm so happy that Good For You managed to stay 10th week in the top 10! It should remain next week again, as well, thanks to album release! :)

[THINKIN BOUT YOU]

Oct 12, 2015 13:50:56 GMT -5 Enigma. said:

Oct 12, 2015 13:20:08 GMT -5 THINKIN BOUT YOU said:

From chart news:
Thinking Out Loud by @edsheeran becomes the 1st song to reach 500 million streams on @spotify.

That well explains why I never want to use Spotify.

Ummm... The idea of spotify is that you can listen to whatever you want.

I mean, seriously, Spotify is full of users who love the songs like "Thinking Out Loud". And I will never feel good for joining those people. (I mean, "Thinking Out Loud......" I was like, wwwwwwhat???)

[Deleted]

Oct 11, 2015 14:09:36 GMT -5 85la said:

Oct 11, 2015 10:34:46 GMT -5 Future Captain said:

You know, I'm wondering. Why does it seemed, especially since 2011, Alt hits crossover to Pop/HAC seemed to be easier than it is for Country hits to do so? I mean, this year alone, we already have two major Alt crossover (TMTC and SUAD), and if you want to count FOB, that's two more (Uma and Centuries), not to mention the smaller ones (Someone New, Cecilia, I Bet My Life), and the two that's currently climbing up (Renegades and Ex's and Oh's), while not even Sam Hunt managed to go top 20 in Pop.

Thoughts?

Country has always had a very hard time crossing over to pop/adult radio during any time period. Overall, if you look at it it's quite rare in fact. It's just much more of a niche genre.

I don't know, from what I saw, it seemed like country artists were constanly crossing over very often in the 70's and early 80's. I just think it's become less often than before.

[THINKIN BOUT YOU]

Oct 12, 2015 14:04:07 GMT -5 House Lannister said:

Oct 12, 2015 13:50:56 GMT -5 Enigma. said:

Ummm... The idea of spotify is that you can listen to whatever you want.

Exactly.  That's how I finally heard Sam Smith's Bond theme.  In the film, it might prove decent.  But it's no Skyfall, that's for sure.

You are in the Spotify zombie squad! Haha! Let me guess.. Your favorite song is "Thinking Out Loud", right?

[Dylan :)]

Oct 12, 2015 15:22:31 GMT -5 THINKIN BOUT YOU said:

My heart's yelling:" Silentó (shut up)! Silentó (shut up)! Silentoooooó (SHUT UP!!!!)"

[wjr15]

Oct 12, 2015 16:16:03 GMT -5 THINKIN BOUT YOU said:

Oct 12, 2015 13:50:56 GMT -5 Enigma. said:

Ummm... The idea of spotify is that you can listen to whatever you want.

I mean, seriously, Spotify is full of users who love the songs like "Thinking Out Loud". And I will never feel good for joining those people. (I mean, "Thinking Out Loud......" I was like, wwwwwwhat???)

I'm a Spotify user...why didn't anyone tell me that I had to love "Thinking Out Loud"??? I would've listened to it at least once on Spotify, but I'm too busy listening to the 10,000 other songs on there. I'm always out of the loop 

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Oct 12, 2015 16:24:40 GMT -5 @billboardfan1 said:

Oct 11, 2015 14:09:36 GMT -5 85la said:

Country has always had a very hard time crossing over to pop/adult radio during any time period. Overall, if you look at it it's quite rare in fact. It's just much more of a niche genre.

I don't know, from what I saw, it seemed like country artists were constanly crossing over very often in the 70's and early 80's. I just think it's become less often than before.

Kenny Rogers is the best example. He's actually ranked as the #12 Artist of the 80s decade in the Joel Whitburn Pop Singles book. While he did have some pop hits that didn't garner country airplay, he had SIXTEEN country radio hits that crossed over to pop radio and ended up being to 20 hits on the Hot 100 from the late 60s through the early 80s, including two #1s: "Lady" and "Islands In The Stream", both in the 80s.    

Other artists with multiple country hits to crossover to pop radio with big success include: Patsy Cline, Anne Murray, John Denver, Glen Campbell, Dolly Parton, Barbara Mandrell, Willie Nelson, Shania Twain, LeAnn Rimes, Carrie Underwood, Faith Hill, Taylor Swift, Rascal Flatts, Lonestar, Elvis Presley, Tim McGraw, Dixie Chicks.... and more.

These artists and their crossover hits cover every decade.  I guess one could statistically argue that its a rare occurrence based on how many songs AREN'T crossover hits.  But it's not THAT uncommon when you consider all the artists with multiple examples each.

[jebsib]

There was a country freeze-out at CHR between 1984 and 1997. Other than Restless Heart and Billy Ray Cyrus, nothing crossed over, period.

The same was never true of Rock songs.

[Deleted]

Oct 12, 2015 18:32:59 GMT -5 jebsib said:

There was a country freeze-out at CHR between 1984 and 1997. Other than Restless Heart and Billy Ray Cyrus, nothing crossed over, period.

The same was never true of Rock songs.

fair enough. but there was never a decade, or any 10 year period, where nothing crossed over then.  

[jenglisbe]

Oct 12, 2015 14:45:31 GMT -5 House Lannister said:

Oct 11, 2015 14:09:36 GMT -5 85la said:

Country has always had a very hard time crossing over to pop/adult radio during any time period. Overall, if you look at it it's quite rare in fact. It's just much more of a niche genre.

I had to go back to 2013 to find a country band that hit the top 10 (Florida Georgia Line with Nelly---Cruise).  Before that, it happened in 2011 with Lady Antebellum---Just a Kiss.

Obviously as for artists, Taylor Swift had a plethora of hits during that time.  Carrie Underwood has had 3 top 10s (Before He Cheats, Inside Your Heaven, I Told You So) and three other top 20s, but none since 2012.  FGL had two other top 20s (Dirt, This is How We Roll), Brantley Gilbert has 1 (Bottoms Up), Tim McGraw has 2 top 10s (It's Your Love, Please Remember Me) and 3 more top 20s, but none since 2007, and Rascal Flatts had two top 10s (What Hurts the Most, Life is a Highway cover) and two more top 20s, but none since 2009.

So what's the takeaway?  It's kind of special for a country song to break into pop/hot adult contemporary.  Part of it is momentum (McGraw and Flatts were peaking in the mid 2000s, both are struggling to have country hits in that genre's new environment) and part of it is the right song.  Most stations will ignore country causing those songs to peak in the 30s and 40s.  For a song to go higher, it's got to either be a good fit with the pop/HAC genre or it's got to feature an artist who has momentum.  

I wouldn't be surprised to see Sam Hunt break through with Break Up in a Small Town.  He's already got some pull thanks to Take Your Time having made some stations and the song may fit more squarely in the pop genre than in country.

But even some of those you mentioned that hit the top 10 didn't actually crossover. For example Carrie's "I Told You So" went top 10 because of big sales, not because it got pop or AC play.

[jenglisbe]

Oct 12, 2015 18:25:18 GMT -5 @broccoli said:

Oct 12, 2015 16:24:40 GMT -5 @billboardfan1 said:

I don't know, from what I saw, it seemed like country artists were constanly crossing over very often in the 70's and early 80's. I just think it's become less often than before.

Kenny Rogers is the best example. He's actually ranked as the #12 Artist of the 80s decade in the Joel Whitburn Pop Singles book. While he did have some pop hits that didn't garner country airplay, he had SIXTEEN country radio hits that crossed over to pop radio and ended up being to 20 hits on the Hot 100 from the late 60s through the early 80s, including two #1s: "Lady" and "Islands In The Stream", both in the 80s.    

Other artists with multiple country hits to crossover to pop radio with big success include: Patsy Cline, Anne Murray, John Denver, Glen Campbell, Dolly Parton, Barbara Mandrell, Willie Nelson, Shania Twain, LeAnn Rimes, Carrie Underwood, Faith Hill, Taylor Swift, Rascal Flatts, Lonestar, Elvis Presley, Tim McGraw, Dixie Chicks.... and more.

These artists and their crossover hits cover every decade.  I guess one could statistically argue that its a rare occurrence based on how many songs AREN'T crossover hits.  But it's not THAT uncommon when you consider all the artists with multiple examples each.

Carrie has only had 1 song crossver to pop radio - "Before He Cheats." I think Dixie Chicks only had "Landslide," no? What am I missing? And what Rascal Flatts or Tim McGraw song/s crossed over to pop radio?

[Deleted]

Rascal Flatts' "What Hurts The Most" and the "Life Is A Highway" cover both crossed over and Tim did it with "Live Like You Were Dying"

[Au$tin]

Oct 12, 2015 16:16:03 GMT -5 THINKIN BOUT YOU said:

Oct 12, 2015 13:50:56 GMT -5 Enigma. said:

Ummm... The idea of spotify is that you can listen to whatever you want.

I mean, seriously, Spotify is full of users who love the songs like "Thinking Out Loud". And I will never feel good for joining those people. (I mean, "Thinking Out Loud......" I was like, wwwwwwhat???)

Spotify is a community for all music lovers. Unless you like Taylor Swift, of course. Their selection is huge. Just because "Thinking Out Loud" is the most streamed song on Spotify doesn't mean the majority of Spotify users even like the song. There's a vast array of music tastes from the users on Spotify, and it wouldn't shock me to discover that less than 50% of Spotify's users have voluntarily played "Thinking Out Loud."

Besides, what's so bad about it? It's one of the biggest hits of 2015, so obviously a good amount of people enjoy the song. And with the huge influx of streaming, the song is likely to not hold the title for very long.

I actually find it pretty incredible that an acoustic adult contemporary song is what holds the record. Hip-hop, r&b, and rap are at the forefront of streaming, and "Thinking Out Loud" certainly is none of that. Given that fact, though, it would not be shocking in the slightest to see something like "The Hills" take the title.

[imbondz]

Oct 12, 2015 19:20:19 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

Oct 12, 2015 18:25:18 GMT -5 @broccoli said:

Kenny Rogers is the best example. He's actually ranked as the #12 Artist of the 80s decade in the Joel Whitburn Pop Singles book. While he did have some pop hits that didn't garner country airplay, he had SIXTEEN country radio hits that crossed over to pop radio and ended up being to 20 hits on the Hot 100 from the late 60s through the early 80s, including two #1s: "Lady" and "Islands In The Stream", both in the 80s.    

Other artists with multiple country hits to crossover to pop radio with big success include: Patsy Cline, Anne Murray, John Denver, Glen Campbell, Dolly Parton, Barbara Mandrell, Willie Nelson, Shania Twain, LeAnn Rimes, Carrie Underwood, Faith Hill, Taylor Swift, Rascal Flatts, Lonestar, Elvis Presley, Tim McGraw, Dixie Chicks.... and more.

These artists and their crossover hits cover every decade.  I guess one could statistically argue that its a rare occurrence based on how many songs AREN'T crossover hits.  But it's not THAT uncommon when you consider all the artists with multiple examples each.

Carrie has only had 1 song crossver to pop radio - "Before He Cheats." I think Dixie Chicks only had "Landslide," no? What am I missing? And what Rascal Flatts or Tim McGraw song/s crossed over to pop radio?

Jesus Take the Wheel was huge all over. It may not have climbed high but it crossed over.

[Clauss]

Oct 12, 2015 14:20:04 GMT -5 @markg94 said:

So Drake has matched his highest peak as a lead artist to date...come on, just one more! Also how many weeks at #1 is this for The Hill? 4? 5? Sorry I've lost track as I haven't been actively participating here in a couple weeks now lol

This is the 4th, 5th is happening after those random remixes

[wavey.]

@nickidaily:

Billboard: "All versions of the [The Hills] will count for the song's singular Hot 100 rank." @nickiminaj

So Em and Nicki will get credit next week?

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I always understood that the only "feature" to get credit is the one that holds the majority of points the week that it hits the top. (Rihanna f/ Britney on S&M, for example, huge remix sales is the reason it peaked at #1 so britney was credited).  If the "feature" version of the song doesn't pull in the majority of the points, then it doesn't get listed as a feature on the chart period (Katy Perry TGIF f/ Missy E, for example). But then there are songs in recent years who have been credited as ARTIST featuring ARTIST OR ARTIST... like chris brown Loyal, for example, if i'm not mistaken. Granted it wasn't a #1 song on the Hot 100, but the artists all got credited for it's peak position. Beyonce's song with Nicki had an "or" feature listed on it, too, right?  But they were both released by the label as options initially, maybe that's why they are listed as  "or"?

Since it's all the same label, I'm guessing The Hills will either be "featuring Eminem or Nicki Minaj" or it won't list a feature, since neither featured version will likely be the source of the majority of points.

[lyhom]

yeah, both "loyal" and "***flawless" had the "or" features listed on them (hell, loyal had the really clunky "chris brown featuring lil wayne and too $hort or french montana or tyga" in it)

it doesn't usually happen for songs that have both a solo version and at least one version with featured artists, it usually depends on what version is "bigger" (and even then it's weird)

[Deleted]

i think the key is MAJORITY when it comes to feature credit being added because of a remix. The featured version has to be acquire the majority of it's chart points in a week compared to that of the original (feature-less) version.

So unless sales of the remixes are the dominant point factor, neither feature will be listed on the respective chart in question.

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Oct 11, 2015 10:48:38 GMT -5 Soulsista said:

Billboard Top 10 from 35, 30, 25, and 20 years ago:


October 27, 1990

01 02 Black Cat - Janet Jackson (1st and only week at #1)
02 01 I Don't Have The Heart - James Ingram
03 04 Ice Ice Baby - Vanilla Ice
04 07 Giving You The Benefit - Pebbles
05 12 Love Takes Time - Mariah Carey
06 09 Can't Stop - After 7
07 05 Close To You - Maxi Priest
08 03 Praying For Time - George Michael
09 11 Suicide Blonde - INXS
10 08 Everybody Everybody - Black Box

Be still my freshman in high school heart.  This was at the prime of my Casey's (or American) Top 40 countdown days for me... 1990 was such a great and memorable year for me when it comes to pop music.  Special props to Giving You The Benefit by Pebbles on this list. LOVE that song.  Overall, a great top 10! Not a stinker in the bunch, imo.