Billboard Hot 100 : 10/24/2015

[85la]

Interesting to see Like I"m Gonna Lose You climb into the top 30. It seems its ascent was pretty slow at first but is just now starting to pick up. I guess Marvin Gaye took away much of the limelight, but now that that's descending maybe more people are discovering LIGLY. It'll be interesting to see where it goes.


To add more to the country-crossover debate, I was mainly referring to the frequency of country crossover hits compared with rock crossover hits, which the original poster brought up the discussion about. Clearly, if you aggregate all time periods, let's say since the beginning of the Hot 100, there have been far more rock crossover hits. I was also only referring to songs that crossover to the top 10/20 of the CHR and adult radio formats. Yes, you can find many examples of country songs that debut/peak very high on the HOT 100 because of digital sales, but far less on pop radio. I'm not as familiar with all of the charts in decades past because I either wasn't alive or didn't follow music much then, but at least in the last 15 or so years there have been AT MOST a handful of country songs per year that are major crossover pop hits.

[Au$tin]

Oct 12, 2015 19:51:57 GMT -5 imbondz said:

Oct 12, 2015 19:20:19 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

Carrie has only had 1 song crossver to pop radio - "Before He Cheats." I think Dixie Chicks only had "Landslide," no? What am I missing? And what Rascal Flatts or Tim McGraw song/s crossed over to pop radio?

Jesus Take the Wheel was huge all over. It may not have climbed high but it crossed over.

JTTW did not cross over to pop.

[badrobot]

Oct 13, 2015 17:30:39 GMT -5 Au$tin said:

Oct 13, 2015 12:55:16 GMT -5 THINKIN BOUT YOU said:

Yeah.. That's why a few songs went atop the chart without any sales.. ("Try again" and "lady marmalade"..)
Nowadays, though, if you have Harlem Shake streaming, then 0 airplay & 0 sales are needed and u still get the no.1

That's really not a concern. "Harlem Shake" is not a normal occurrence. In fact, "Harlem Shake" is the only song of its kind. Even then, though, "Harlem Shake" still had sales and airplay. It peaked inside the top five on digital sales and cracked the top 40 on pop.


Also, as far as digital sales affecting the Hot 100 goes... well, that's gonna happen when sales slip as hard as they have. The formula will be adjusted accordingly soon, I'm sure. You can't expect a song that's #10 on iTunes today to give the same charting affect to a song with the same feat 5 years ago when the #10 song now sells roughly the same as a #30 song back then.

The charts are really becoming "consumption" charts. It definitely leads to more stagnation but I think it's really interesting that the charts more than ever measure what people listen to as opposed to just what they purchase.

[House Lannister]

Oct 13, 2015 19:23:08 GMT -5 Au$tin said:

Oct 12, 2015 19:51:57 GMT -5 imbondz said:

Jesus Take the Wheel was huge all over. It may not have climbed high but it crossed over.

JTTW did not cross over to pop.

It didn't.  Although Before He Cheats did.  I think that's the only Carrie Underwood that played on my pop stations.

Other songs that I think or remember crossed over:

McGraw:  Don't Take the Girl
Hunt:  Take Your Time
Little Big Town:  Day Drinking
Rascal Flatts:  What Hurts the Most, Life is a Highway (latter should have crossed over anyway considering it was for a Pixar film)
FGL:  This is How We Roll, Cruise

There may be others I'm missing

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Oct 13, 2015 19:45:17 GMT -5 badrobot said:

Oct 13, 2015 17:30:39 GMT -5 Au$tin said:

That's really not a concern. "Harlem Shake" is not a normal occurrence. In fact, "Harlem Shake" is the only song of its kind. Even then, though, "Harlem Shake" still had sales and airplay. It peaked inside the top five on digital sales and cracked the top 40 on pop.


Also, as far as digital sales affecting the Hot 100 goes... well, that's gonna happen when sales slip as hard as they have. The formula will be adjusted accordingly soon, I'm sure. You can't expect a song that's #10 on iTunes today to give the same charting affect to a song with the same feat 5 years ago when the #10 song now sells roughly the same as a #30 song back then.

The charts are really becoming "consumption" charts. It definitely leads to more stagnation but I think it's really interesting that the charts more than ever measure what people listen to as opposed to just what they purchase.

Good points, badrobot.

I didn't know it back then as it was happening, but before soundscan in the early 90s, the charts were very skewed and manipulated.  They were based solely on what retail and radio outlets REPORTED, via pen and paper, not what was actually sold or played.  They could essentially submit what they wanted to, which isn't to say that they deliberately "cheated", but it was FAR from the objective science it is today.  It's so crazy to think about how albums actually debuted low and climbed to #1... a very telling example as to how inaccurate things probably were.

Radio's inclusion in the Hot 100 chart has always been a hot topic for debate. Many think sales-only charts are the way to go, since every purchase is essentially an investment on behalf of the consumer - or a vote - if you will.  Radio impressions are just estimates of who heard what and when, and says nothing about if said audience actually liked the song.  But now we have streaming, which, like sales, is consumption-based... it's not based on estimates of audience size or time of day... it's one listen = one vote, for the most part.  sure there are playlists that some people listen to, but given there is an option to choose, it's much more accurate than radio.  

I believe at some point, terrestrial radio won't exist as it does today... and music digital retail will also give way to straight up subscription-based streaming.  If and when this happens, the charts will essentially have ONE source... streaming services... period.  And in all honesty, imo, it will be the most "fair" methodology for gauging popularity that we've ever had/used.  The only problem areas are the pre-programmed playlists, which are clearly manipulated and paid for by labels... so these playlists make streaming comparable to radio on that level, which sucks.

[badrobot]

Oct 14, 2015 19:28:37 GMT -5 @broccoli said:

Oct 13, 2015 19:45:17 GMT -5 badrobot said:

The charts are really becoming "consumption" charts. It definitely leads to more stagnation but I think it's really interesting that the charts more than ever measure what people listen to as opposed to just what they purchase.

Good points, badrobot.

I didn't know it back then as it was happening, but before soundscan in the early 90s, the charts were very skewed and manipulated.  They were based solely on what retail and radio outlets REPORTED, via pen and paper, not what was actually sold or played.  They could essentially submit what they wanted to, which isn't to say that they deliberately "cheated", but it was FAR from the objective science it is today.  It's so crazy to think about how albums actually debuted low and climbed to #1... a very telling example as to how inaccurate things probably were.

Radio's inclusion in the Hot 100 chart has always been a hot topic for debate. Many think sales-only charts are the way to go, since every purchase is essentially an investment on behalf of the consumer - or a vote - if you will.  Radio impressions are just estimates of who heard what and when, and says nothing about if said audience actually liked the song.  But now we have streaming, which, like sales, is consumption-based... it's not based on estimates of audience size or time of day... it's one listen = one vote, for the most part.  sure there are playlists that some people listen to, but given there is an option to choose, it's much more accurate than radio.  

I believe at some point, terrestrial radio won't exist as it does today... and music digital retail will also give way to straight up subscription-based streaming.  If and when this happens, the charts will essentially have ONE source... streaming services... period.  And in all honesty, imo, it will be the most "fair" methodology for gauging popularity that we've ever had/used.  The only problem areas are the pre-programmed playlists, which are clearly manipulated and paid for by labels... so these playlists make streaming comparable to radio on that level, which sucks.

Extremely well said. :)

[Au$tin]

Oct 14, 2015 10:01:33 GMT -5 House Lannister said:

Oct 13, 2015 19:23:08 GMT -5 Au$tin said:

JTTW did not cross over to pop.

It didn't.  Although Before He Cheats did.  I think that's the only Carrie Underwood that played on my pop stations.

Other songs that I think or remember crossed over:

McGraw:  Don't Take the Girl
Hunt:  Take Your Time
Little Big Town:  Day Drinking
Rascal Flatts:  What Hurts the Most, Life is a Highway (latter should have crossed over anyway considering it was for a Pixar film)
FGL:  This is How We Roll, Cruise

There may be others I'm missing

Carrie charted on pop with "Inside Your Heaven," though I wouldn't really count that as a crossover. It also only peaked at 48, so... lol. Other than that, yes, "Before He Cheats" is her only pop hit, peaking at number nine in May 2007.

"Don't Take the Girl" did not cross over. (At least to pop. It might have gone to hot AC.) Tim McGraw has only charted twice on pop. First with Nelly on "Over and Over," which was a number one hit, and then a few months later with "Live Like You Were Dying," which peaked at 34.

Yes, "Take Your Time" peaked at 28 back in July.

Little Big Town have never charted on pop. Again, they may have on hot AC, but I don't have any sources on that.

Rascal Flatts charted on pop solely with "What Hurts the Most," which peaked at 24 in September 2006. "Life Is a Highway" was a major hit digitally, but that did not translate into pop airplay.

Florida Georgia Line is correct. The Nelly remix of "Cruise" peaked at number seven in June 2013 with the pop follow up "This Is How We Roll," a pop remix with Jason Derülo, peaked at 26 in July 2014.

Some other notable country crossovers to pop in recent years:
The Band Perry - If I Die Young - peaked at number 12 in August 2011
Hunter Hayes - Wanted - peaked at number 23 in January 2013
Jason Aldean/Kelly Clarkson - Don't You Wanna Stay - peaked at number 43 in August 2011 despite no actual release to pop
Lady Antebellum - Need You Now - peaked at number three in March 2010
Lady Antebellum - I Run to You - peaked at number 41 in August 2010
Lady Antebellum - Just a Kiss - peaked at number 24 in November 2011
Taylor Swift - Teardrops on My Guitar - peaked at number 7 in February 2008
Taylor Swift - Our Song - peaked at number 19 in April 2008
Taylor Swift - Love Story - peaked at number one in February 2009
Taylor Swift - You Belong with Me - peaked at number one in September 2009
Taylor Swift - Fifteen - peaked at number 12 in December 2009
Taylor Swift - Mine - peaked at number 11 in October 2010
Taylor Swift - Back to December - peaked at number 12 in February 2011
Taylor Swift - We Are Never Ever Getting Back Together - peaked at number two in November 2012*

* - debatable whether it should count considering it was released to both formats at once and performed much better on pop than country

[jenglisbe]

Thank you for the data, Austin. I don't know where people are coming from in saying a lot of these songs crossed over. Maybe they are just assuming so because the Hot 100 peak was fairly high.

And, really, even a lot of those crossovers you mentioned didn't fully crossover (I don't consider a #34 or a #43 peak to be truly crossing over).

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Half of Taylor Swift's songs aren't even country songs, they're pure pop. I don't get why they're considered country.

[House Lannister]

Horsed up with the Little Town one. Obviously, I meant Girl Crush. Although it didn't chart, I know my pop station in Paducah DID play it.

And I probably got confused with the Tim McGraw song that was playing (it probably was Dying as opposed to Girl). But Dying did play a lot.

[jenglisbe]

Oct 15, 2015 8:42:49 GMT -5 House Lannister said:

Horsed up with the Little Town one. Obviously, I meant Girl Crush. Although it didn't chart, I know my pop station in Paducah DID play it.

And I probably got confused with the Tim McGraw song that was playing (it probably was Dying as opposed to Girl). But Dying did play a lot.

No offense, but your 1 station playing a song doesn't mean it crossed over. As an example, "Girl Crush" didn't get enough general Top 40 play to chart at that format, so it didn't really crossover even if 1 or 2 smaller stations played it.

[Deleted]

In other news... can we talk about the One-Hit Wonders Class of 2015? I realize some of these could end up being wrong (with another hit in the future), and some could be considered 2014 (but their main impact on the Hot 100 was 2015). I also know that some of these artists have found varying degrees of minor success with other songs at various radio formats, but this is about the Hot 100.

Thoughts on these potentials? Anyone you'd add or remove (and why)? I stayed inside the top 200 or so from my year end hot 100 predictions list in that thread. I think the top 4 on my list are by far the biggest, and most likely to remain one-hit wonders.  OHW Hall of Fame level... up there with Sir Mix-A-Lot and Right Said Fred and Gotye and MAGIC! and the like.

OMI
Walk The Moon
Hozier
Silento
Andy Grammer
Rachel Platten
Natalie La Rose
T-Wayne
R. City
Vance Joy
James Newton Howard
Jennifer Lawrence
Jidenna
O.T. Genasis
I Love Makonnen
X Ambassadors
George Ezra
Ella Henderson
Mr. Probz
Lillywood
Nicky Jam
Sheppard
@iheartmemphis
Elle King
Alessia Cara
CAM
K-Camp

[Dylan :)]

I would remove Ella Henderson as I don't think she even tried again in the US? I'd add MØ to the list as well, even if she was just a feature

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Oct 15, 2015 12:02:26 GMT -5 Dylan :) said:

I would remove Ella Henderson as I don't think she even tried again in the US? I'd add MØ to the list as well, even if she was just a feature

I guess to me it doesn't matter how many times they try, it's the fact that they only have one hit.  Do you feel differently?

MØ could be added, true!

[Dylan :)]

Oct 15, 2015 12:19:05 GMT -5 @broccoli said:

Oct 15, 2015 12:02:26 GMT -5 Dylan :) said:

I would remove Ella Henderson as I don't think she even tried again in the US? I'd add MØ to the list as well, even if she was just a feature

I guess to me it doesn't matter how many times they try, it's the fact that they only have one hit.  Do you feel differently?

MØ could be added, true!

You're right in she has had one hit, but she isn't necessarily a "one hit wonder" because she hasn't tried again, she could possibly get a second. But I can't see her doing anything much in the US again, so you're probably right in adding her regardless! I think Aluna George and Shawn Mendes can be added too (not for a while for the latter but)

[rimetm]

MØ was on Beg For It with Iggy Azalea, which, while not a big hit compared to Iggy's previous singles, was her first hit in the top 40 and automatically boots her from one-hit wonder status.

Shawn Mendes hit #24 with Life of the Party, primarily off hype, but it was still a sales-based debut, so there's no foul play if it would've happened in 2015 as opposed to 2014.

[Dylan :)]

Oct 15, 2015 12:56:08 GMT -5 rimetm said:

Shawn Mendes hit #24 with Life of the Party, primarily off hype, but it was still a sales-based debut, so there's no foul play if it would've happened in 2015 as opposed to 2014.

Oh, true, I forgot LOTP!

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Oct 15, 2015 12:23:15 GMT -5 Dylan :) said:

Oct 15, 2015 12:19:05 GMT -5 @broccoli said:

I guess to me it doesn't matter how many times they try, it's the fact that they only have one hit.  Do you feel differently?

MØ could be added, true!

You're right in she has had one hit, but she isn't necessarily a "one hit wonder" because she hasn't tried again, she could possibly get a second. But I can't see her doing anything much in the US again, so you're probably right in adding her regardless! I think Aluna George and Shawn Mendes can be added too (not for a while for the latter but)

Cuz anyone could possibly have another hit even after a few failures, so to me it shouldn't matter if they release something else or not.  One hit = one hit wonder... regardless of any other factors.

Clearly I wasn't paying too much attention to features!  Aluna is a good one.  Shawn has a previous hit (albeit a very short-lived minor one) and I have a feeling he'll have another with his follow up to Stitches or his next lead single if that happens in the relatively near future. 

[Deleted]

It is interesting how new acts who have huge debut singles seem to have a harder time avoiding OHW status... tons of examples of this.  I mean, it happens, but it seems like the bigger the first hit, the more likely they won't have a follow up hit. Whereas artists that start with a minor hit or a bubbling under can come out swinging on their next effort... Shawn Mendes is an example of this.

There are quite a few examples of artists that are considered by most to be one hit wonders... but technically are not.  Off the top of my head... Vanilla Ice, Marky Mark, Alannah Myles...  it's a matter of if you consider a Hot 100 hit a hit, or if it has to be a certain peak.  Sinead O'Connor had a huge #1 and followed up with a minor #60 hit.... so... technically she's not a one-hit wonder - especially when compared to artists who's 2nd single didn't even chart or those we never heard from again.

[Deleted]

What's with releasing things like videos and remixes on Thursdays? Do they figure it'll give the current week a little boost, with the majority of the boost left for the week that starts tomorrow? it's all i can come up with.

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Oct 15, 2015 14:44:27 GMT -5 @broccoli said:

What's with releasing things like videos and remixes on Thursdays? Do they figure it'll give the current week a little boost, with the majority of the boost left for the week that starts tomorrow? it's all i can come up with.

Weekend dance mix playlist needs.

[ry4n]

Since the global release date was changed to Friday, I've noticed quite a few songs being released early on Thursday for some reason.

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Oct 15, 2015 15:25:09 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

Oct 15, 2015 14:44:27 GMT -5 @broccoli said:

What's with releasing things like videos and remixes on Thursdays? Do they figure it'll give the current week a little boost, with the majority of the boost left for the week that starts tomorrow? it's all i can come up with.

Weekend dance mix playlist needs.

perhaps, but that doesn't really answer for video releases, and even some album/single pre-order releases.

[Deleted]

Oct 15, 2015 15:28:21 GMT -5 ry4n said:

Since the global release date was changed to Friday, I've noticed quite a few songs being released early on Thursday for some reason.

i guess it's a way for it to build up, as people usually have plans on fridays and aren't paying as much attention to iTunes as they might during the weekday... so it creates buzz for Friday, making more of an impact for the start of the tracking period? I think it's mostly for the artists who may need the help, not the One Directions and the Arianas.  i don't know, just drawing straws at this point!

[Gary]

One problem that I keep having with "one hit wonders" is that there really is not a clear definition by basically anyone, no industry definition, no standard definition among fans either. You ask 5 different people you will get 5 different answers.

For instance, we all know what a "top 10 hit" is because that is clearly defined but, what is a "hit"?

[ry4n]

I thought it was just a glitch or something. Someone on another forum had a theory that these songs were being released when Friday begins in the Australia/NZ time zones (so that they could be released everywhere globally at the exact same minute); which would still be late Thursday morning over here.

[Deleted]

Oct 15, 2015 16:27:59 GMT -5 Gary said:

One problem that I keep having with "one hit wonders" is that there really is not a clear definition by basically anyone, no industry definition, no standard definition among fans either. You ask 5 different people you will get 5 different answers.

For instance, we all know what a "top 10 hit" is because that is clearly defined but, what is a "hit"?

yeah i hear you loud and clear!  

it seems like for someone who has a big #1 or even a big top 10 hit... anything less than top 40 on a future single isn't a hit.  But for someone who has a #50 hit, another #50 hit is great.  So... for all intents and purposes for ME... a hit is a hit.  Especially today's world... if you make the Hot 100, you have a HIT.  So more than one Hot 100 hit and you are no longer a OHW.  although..... spending one or two weeks on the chart... that's where it gets sketchy.  longevity plays a role i suppose.

ugh... it's impossible to come to a consistent and basic answer for this.

[aser94]

Oct 15, 2015 13:20:12 GMT -5 @broccoli said:

It is interesting how new acts who have huge debut singles seem to have a harder time avoiding OHW status... tons of examples of this.  I mean, it happens, but it seems like the bigger the first hit, the more likely they won't have a follow up hit. Whereas artists that start with a minor hit or a bubbling under can come out swinging on their next effort... Shawn Mendes is an example of this.

Could be because lot of those in the latter group are fanbase-driven acts (Shawn is a good example) who get a song on the Hot 100 thanks to early buzz before pop radio really gets on board to give them a huge hit (see also Fifth Harmony's uphill climb from "Miss Movin' On" to "Worth It"). They'll always have some level of support thanks to their fanbase, so they're guaranteed at least a couple more hits.

In contrast, a lot of those in the former group have no real fanbase appeal, so no one's really interested in hearing anything else (e.g. MAGIC!). And there are those whose careers become so overshadowed by that one hit that they're unable to get another one, but they're able to keep a big-enough fanbase to be cult favorites. CRJ, God bless her, isn't technically a one-hit wonder of course, but "Call Me Maybe" destroyed any chance she had of getting another truly big pop radio hit post-2012. Then there are the exceptions of course; I think Meghan Trainor was the last big out-of-nowhere artist to be wrongly written off as a one-hit-wonder.

[areyoureadytojump]

Thanks to Charter2000 for these sales estimates!

SONGS WEEK 41

01 - 5,31 - UPTOWN FUNK - Mark Ronson
02 - 3,78 - THINKING OUT LOUD - Ed Sheeran
03 - 3,58 - SEE YOU AGAIN - Wiz Khalifa
04 - 3,19 - SUGAR - Maroon 5
05 - 2,79 - SHUT UP AND DANCE - WALK THE MOON
06 - 2,46 - LOVE ME LIKE YOU DO - Ellie Goulding
07 - 2,46 - CHEERLEADER - Omi
08 - 2,45 - TRAP QUEEN - Fetty Wap
09 - 2,40 - BAD BLOOD - Taylor Swift
10 - 2,34 - HONEY, I'M GOOD. - Andy Grammer
11 - 2,20 - EARNED IT - The Weeknd
12 - 2,14 - FIGHT SONG - Rachel Platten
13 - 2,04 - TAKE ME TO CHURCH - Hozier
14 - 1,92 - FOURFIVESECONDS - Rihanna and Kanye West and Paul McCartney
15 - 1,85 - CAN'T FEEL MY FACE - The Weeknd
16 - 1,84 - WATCH ME - Silento
17 - 1,83 - GDFR - Flo Rida
18 - 1,78 - BLANK SPACE - Taylor Swift
19 - 1,75 - WANT TO WANT ME - Jason Derulo
20 - 1,69 - GIRL CRUSH - Little Big Town
21 - 1,68 - THE HILLS - The Weeknd
22 - 1,67 - STYLE - Taylor Swift
23 - 1,64 - TAKE YOUR TIME - Sam Hunt
24 - 1,58 - WORTH IT - Fifth Harmony
25 - 1,54 - HEY MAMA - David Guetta

26 - 1,47 - LIPS ARE MOVIN - Meghan Trainor
27 - 1,46 - WHERE ARE Ü NOW - Skrillex & Diplo
28 - 1,44 - CENTURIES - Fall Out Boy
29 - 1,43 - SHAKE IT OFF - Taylor Swift
30 - 1,38 - TALKING BODY - Tove Lo
31 - 1,34 - LEAN ON - Major Lazer
32 - 1,32 - TIME OF OUR LIVES - Pitbull & Ne-Yo
33 - 1,22 - CHAINS - Nick Jonas
34 - 1,17 - DEAR FUTURE HUSBAND - Meghan Trainor
35 - 1,16 - UMA THURMAN - Fall Out Boy
36 - 1,12 - GOOD FOR YOU - Selena Gomez
37 - 1,09 - STITCHES - Shawn Mendes
38 - 1,08 - ALL ABOUT THAT BASS - Meghan Trainor
39 - 1,07 - SOMEBODY - Natalie La Rose
40 - 1,04 - ELASTIC HEART - Sia
41 - 1,03 - PHOTOGRAPH - Ed Sheeran
42 - 1,01 - LAY ME DOWN - Sam Smith
43 - 1,01 - I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE - Sam Smith
44 - 1,01 - 679 - Fetty Wap
45 - 1,01 - YOU KNOW YOU LIKE IT - DJ Snake & AlunaGeorge
46 - 0,95 - NASTY FREESTYLE - T-Wayne
47 - 0,94 - TRUFFLE BUTTER - Nicki Minaj
48 - 0,93 - KICK THE DUST UP - Luke Bryan
49 - 0,93 - BUDAPEST - George Ezra
50 - 0,91 - BITCH BETTER HAVE MY MONEY - Rihanna

51 - 0,90 - RENEGADES - X Ambassadors
52 - 0,90 - RIPTIDE - Vance Joy
53 - 0,89 - WHAT DO YOU MEAN - Justin Bieber
54 - 0,89 - LIKE A WRECKING BALL - Eric Church
55 - 0,88 - HOMEGROWN - Zac Brown Band
56 - 0,87 - JEALOUS - Nick Jonas
57 - 0,86 - MARVIN GAYE - Charlie Puth
58 - 0,86 - LOCKED AWAY - R. City
59 - 0,84 - STAY WITH ME - Sam Smith
60 - 0,82 - I DON'T MIND - Usher
61 - 0,81 - HEARTBEAT SONG - Kelly Clarkson
62 - 0,80 - DRAG ME DOWN - One Direction
63 - 0,79 - HOUSE PARTY - Sam Hunt
64 - 0,78 - GERONIMO - Sheppard
65 - 0,77 - GHOST - Ella Henderson
66 - 0,76 - WILDEST DREAMS - Taylor Swift
67 - 0,76 - POST TO BE - Omarion
68 - 0,75 - CRASH AND BURN - Thomas Rhett
69 - 0,75 - ONLY - Nicki Minaj
70 - 0,74 - I DON'T **** WITH YOU - Big Sean
71 - 0,74 - BUY ME A BOAT - Chris Janson
72 - 0,73 - SANGRIA - Blake Shelton
73 - 0,72 - COOL FOR THE SUMMER - Demi Lovato
74 - 0,71 - ANIMALS - Maroon 5
75 - 0,71 - THE HANGING TREE - James Newton Howard

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Oct 15, 2015 16:51:21 GMT -5 aser94 said:

Oct 15, 2015 13:20:12 GMT -5 @broccoli said:

It is interesting how new acts who have huge debut singles seem to have a harder time avoiding OHW status... tons of examples of this.  I mean, it happens, but it seems like the bigger the first hit, the more likely they won't have a follow up hit. Whereas artists that start with a minor hit or a bubbling under can come out swinging on their next effort... Shawn Mendes is an example of this.

Could be because lot of those in the latter group are fanbase-driven acts (Shawn is a good example) who get a song on the Hot 100 thanks to early buzz before pop radio really gets on board to give them a huge hit (see also Fifth Harmony's uphill climb from "Miss Movin' On" to "Worth It"). They'll always have some level of support thanks to their fanbase, so they're guaranteed at least a couple more hits.

In contrast, a lot of those in the former group have no real fanbase appeal, so no one's really interested in hearing anything else (e.g. MAGIC!). And there are those whose careers become so overshadowed by that one hit that they're unable to get another one, but they're able to keep a big-enough fanbase to be cult favorites. CRJ, God bless her, isn't technically a one-hit wonder of course, but "Call Me Maybe" destroyed any chance she had of getting another truly big pop radio hit post-2012. Then there are the exceptions of course; I think Meghan Trainor was the last big out-of-nowhere artist to be wrongly written off as a one-hit-wonder.

Good points.  Fan base is everything, and sometimes even that isn't enough!  We're so fast paced - in and out of love - these days.  Love someone one day, over them the next.  Labels are the same way... milk an artist for their one hit, find someone fresh and new to pump their money into, leave milked artist on the street.  It's crazy.

CRJ is definitely a good example of someone who had a song that was SO huge that it basically sealed her fate... it was never about HER even when the song was huge... it was the song.  she's never had the appeal (sex or otherwise) to hold a place as a viable act in the pure pop world, unfortunately.  songwriter with a nice voice? yes. pop star? not so much.

And i would have said the same thing about Trainor when AATB was popular.  But by being different enough and not trying to fit the teen pop mold, she made it. I still don't care for her music and wish she had been a OHW, but props to her for proving me wrong and doing REALLY well.  Even a song like LIGLY, which i thought for sure would bomb, is doing well for her!  Unlike CRJ, she appeals to an older and broader radio demo, which helps her immensely.