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Post by forg on Apr 22, 2016 1:09:36 GMT -5
I think the Prince impact will be bigger than Bowie... I'm curious if there are any of his songs that might actually get new peaks? Also, has Adele given up on 25? I'm baffled at the disinterest in promoting any new songs. I'm hoping Water Under the Bridge gets a shot. I agree, Prince's impact will likely bigger. I'm curious to see the album sales as well Well it seems like Adele is already satisfied with Hello's performance and the huge sales and well she's touring |
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Post by Mike is BAD on Apr 22, 2016 5:27:09 GMT -5
I think the Prince songs will die down like David Bowie pretty quickly. Prince has a deeper hits catalog than David Bowie and is also younger. No one has dominated iTunes like this since Michael Jackson. This could go longer than the usual couple days So if it lasts a week, even two, can Prince re-enter somewhere this week, go to the Top 10 next week, and maybe be #1 the following week? |
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Post by Gary on Apr 22, 2016 6:27:20 GMT -5
Prince has a deeper hits catalog than David Bowie and is also younger. No one has dominated iTunes like this since Michael Jackson. This could go longer than the usual couple days So if it lasts a week, even two, can Prince re-enter somewhere this week, go to the Top 10 next week, and maybe be #1 the following week? Yes. Radio stations are playing Prince tributes. So this is likely to be a week or two at least. With the rules in place as they are, since none of the Prince catalog hit 52 weeks, the 52/25 rule does not apply. So any song can re-enter that cracks the top 50
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Post by Gary on Apr 22, 2016 6:30:23 GMT -5
A comparison to the last death of this magnitude: Michael Jackson in 2009
Since singles could not re-enter at the time - some recurrent charts
July 11, 2009
1 – – 1 Billie Jean, Michael Jackson
2 – – 8 Thriller, Michael Jackson
3 – – 1 Man In The Mirror, Michael Jackson
4 – – 1 The Way You Make Me Feel, Michael Jackson
5 – – 1 Beat It, Michael Jackson
6 – – 1 Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough, Michael Jackson
7 – – 1 P.Y.T. (Pretty Young Thing), Michael Jackson
8 – – 1 Smooth Criminal, Michael Jackson
9 – – 6 Black Or White, Michael Jackson
10 – – 1 Rock With You, Michael Jackson
11 – – 1 Wanna Be Startin' Somethin', Michael Jackson
12 – – 1 Bad, Michael Jackson
13 – – 1 Human Nature, Michael Jackson
14 – – 4 You Are Not Alone, Michael Jackson
15 – – 1 I'll Be There, Jackson 5
16 – – 20 Remember The Time, Michael Jackson
17 – – 1 ABC, Jackson 5
18 – – 1 Dirty Diana, Michael Jackson
19 – – 1 I Want You Back, Jackson 5
20 1 1 5 That's Not My Name, The Ting Tings
21 – – 1 Off The Wall, Michael Jackson
22 – – 1 Shake Your Body (Down To The Ground), The Jacksons
23 – – 1 Dead And Gone, T.I. Featuring Justin Timberlake
24 – – 8 Will You Be There (From "Free Willy"), Michael Jackson
25 3 3 9 Viva La Vida, Coldplay
26 2 2 24 Come On Get Higher, Matt Nathanson
27 – – 1 You Rock My World, Michael Jackson
28 6 5 3 1, 2, 3, 4, Plain White T's
29 4 4 9 Hot N Cold, Katy Perry
30 – – 1 Never Can Say Goodbye, Jackson 5
July 18, 2009
1 3 – 2 Man In The Mirror, Michael Jackson
2 1 – 2 Billie Jean, Michael Jackson
3 2 – 9 Thriller, Michael Jackson
4 4 – 2 The Way You Make Me Feel, Michael Jackson
5 5 – 2 Beat It, Michael Jackson
6 9 – 7 Black Or White, Michael Jackson
7 8 – 2 Smooth Criminal, Michael Jackson
8 6 – 2 Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough, Michael Jackson
9 7 – 2 P.Y.T. (Pretty Young Thing), Michael Jackson
10 10 – 2 Rock With You, Michael Jackson
11 11 – 2 Wanna Be Startin' Somethin', Michael Jackson
12 12 – 2 Bad, Michael Jackson
13 14 – 5 You Are Not Alone, Michael Jackson
14 18 – 2 Dirty Diana, Michael Jackson
15 – – 1 My Life Would Suck Without You, Kelly Clarkson
16 15 – 2 I'll Be There, Jackson 5
17 17 – 2 ABC, Jackson 5
18 16 – 21 Remember The Time, Michael Jackson
19 – – 1 Kiss Me Thru The Phone, Soulja Boy Tell 'em Featuring Sammie
20 – – 1 I Want You Back, The Jackson 5
21 13 – 2 Human Nature, Michael Jackson
22 23 – 2 Dead And Gone, T.I. Featuring Justin Timberlake
23 25 3 10 Viva La Vida, Coldplay
24 29 4 10 Hot N Cold, Katy Perry
25 – 5 4 She's Country, Jason Aldean
26 26 2 25 Come On Get Higher, Matt Nathanson
27 – 8 6 Sober, Pink
28 24 – 9 Will You Be There (From "Free Willy"), Michael Jackson
29 28 6 4 1, 2, 3, 4, Plain White T's
30 – 10 12 Live Your Life, T.I. Featuring Rihanna
July 25, 2009
1 1 3 3 Man In The Mirror, Michael Jackson
2 2 1 3 Billie Jean, Michael Jackson
3 3 2 10 Thriller, Michael Jackson
4 28 24 10 Will You Be There, Michael Jackson
5 4 4 3 The Way You Make Me Feel, Michael Jackson
6 5 5 3 Beat It, Michael Jackson
7 13 14 6 You Are Not Alone, Michael Jackson
8 6 9 8 Black Or White, Michael Jackson
9 7 8 3 Smooth Criminal, Michael Jackson
10 21 13 3 Human Nature, Michael Jackson
11 8 6 3 Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough, Michael Jackson
12 9 7 3 P.Y.T. (Pretty Young Thing), Michael Jackson
13 10 10 3 Rock With You, Michael Jackson
14 16 15 3 I'll Be There, Jackson 5
15 12 12 3 Bad, Michael Jackson
16 14 18 3 Dirty Diana, Michael Jackson
17 – – 6 Heal The World, Michael Jackson
18 15 – 2 My Life Would Suck Without You, Kelly Clarkson
19 11 11 3 Wanna Be Startin' Somethin', Michael Jackson
20 17 17 3 ABC, Jackson 5
21 – – 1 We Are The World, USA For Africa
22 22 23 3 Dead And Gone, T.I. Featuring Justin Timberlake
23 20 – 2 I Want You Back, The Jackson 5
24 23 25 11 Viva La Vida, Coldplay
25 18 16 22 Remember The Time, Michael Jackson
26 26 26 26 Come On Get Higher, Matt Nathanson
27 24 29 11 Hot N Cold, Katy Perry
28 – – 1 Who's Lovin' You, Jackson 5
29 – – 1 Smile, Michael Jackson
30 19 – 2 Kiss Me Thru The Phone, Soulja Boy Tell 'em Featuring Sammie
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Post by Mike is BAD on Apr 22, 2016 6:32:00 GMT -5
So if it lasts a week, even two, can Prince re-enter somewhere this week, go to the Top 10 next week, and maybe be #1 the following week? Yes. Radio stations are playing Prince tributes. So this is likely to be a week or two at least. With the rules in place as they are, since none of the Prince catalog hit 52 weeks, the 52/25 rule does not apply. So any song can re-enter that cracks the top 50
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Post by Gary on Apr 22, 2016 6:33:01 GMT -5
and...Whitney Houston February 2012 when singles could re-enter
Hot 100 February 25, 2012
7 RE-ENTRY 27 I Will Always Love You, Whitney Houston
35 RE-ENTRY 19 I Wanna Dance With Somebody (Who Loves Me), Whitney Houston
41 RE-ENTRY 19 Greatest Love Of All, Whitney Houston
Hot 100 March 3, 2012
3 7 0 28 I Will Always Love You, Whitney Houston
25 35 0 20 I Wanna Dance With Somebody (Who Loves Me), Whitney Houston
36 41 0 20 Greatest Love Of All, Whitney Houston
49 RE-ENTRY 24 How Will I Know, Whitney Houston
Hot 100 March 10, 2012
30 3 7 29 I Will Always Love You, Whitney Houston
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Post by Mayman on Apr 22, 2016 6:33:30 GMT -5
Are we seriously talking about any of these going #1? This had happened before like Whitney's case (#2) but we have Streaming now. One if these would have to have at least 20mil streams for a chance at #1 - high sales or not.
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Post by Gary on Apr 22, 2016 6:33:37 GMT -5
Yes. Radio stations are playing Prince tributes. So this is likely to be a week or two at least. With the rules in place as they are, since none of the Prince catalog hit 52 weeks, the 52/25 rule does not apply. So any song can re-enter that cracks the top 50
Cool! You are Gary Trust from Billboard, right? no...I am Gary from Pulse ;)
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Post by Mike is BAD on Apr 22, 2016 6:36:24 GMT -5
Cool! You are Gary Trust from Billboard, right? no...I am Gary from Pulse ;)
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Post by Gary on Apr 22, 2016 6:51:49 GMT -5
Another thing to watch for ---- songs in chart history that have hit the top 10 twice
The Twist - Chubby Checker #1 in 1960, #1 again in 1962
Monster Mash - Bobby "Boris" Picket #1 in 1962, #10 in 1973
Stand By Me - Ben E King #4 in 1961, #9 in 1986
Bohemian Rhapsody - Queen #9 in 1976, #2 in 1992
I Will Always Love You - Whitney Houston #1 in 1992, #3 in 2012
Others that hit in different versions
Breaking Up Is Hard To Do - Neil Sedaka #1 in 1962, #8 in 1975
Don't Let The Sun Go Down On Me - Elton John (and George Michael w/ Elton John) #2 in 1974, #1 in 1992
We Are The World (#1 in 1985, #2 in 2010) Candle In The Wind - Elton John (#6 1988 --- live original version, #1 1997 - Princess Diana remake)
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Post by ry4n on Apr 22, 2016 7:29:08 GMT -5
Didn't Candle In The Wind go top 10 twice as well?
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Post by jenglisbe on Apr 22, 2016 7:45:52 GMT -5
I'd love to see Darling Nikki and Erotic City chart (finally). I love "Erotic City" and notice it's top 20 at iTunes right now, so maybe it will sell enough to make the lower part of the Hot 100. I don't know if that's better than it not charting at all, though. |
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Post by WotUNeed on Apr 22, 2016 8:47:01 GMT -5
I love "Erotic City" and notice it's top 20 at iTunes right now, so maybe it will sell enough to make the lower part of the Hot 100. I don't know if that's better than it not charting at all, though. I think it might still be held to the standard of needing enough points to reach Top 50 despite not having charted previously. Bowie's "Heroes" put up decent numbers numbers in the wake of his death (22,000 sold + 2.8 million streams) but didn't appear on the chart. "Blackstar" charted with 3.7 million streams and less than 13,000 sold. (I am using the Billboard article about Bowie's top ten most downloaded and streamed songs after his death for these numbers; too much hassle to link from phone.) |
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Post by jerz on Apr 22, 2016 8:48:28 GMT -5
Another thing to watch for ---- songs in chart history that have hit the top 10 twice
The Twist - Chubby Checker #1 in 1960, #1 again in 1962
Monster Mash - Bobby "Boris" Picket #1 in 1962, #10 in 1973
Stand By Me - Ben E King #4 in 1961, #9 in 1986
Bohemian Rhapsody - Queen #9 in 1976, #2 in 1992
I Will Always Love You - Whitney Houston #1 in 1992, #3 in 2012 The only song that went finally reaching to a new peak later years (range from three years) so far: Bohemian Rhapsody I think let's not forget Sheriff ("When I'm With You", 1989) for finally reached at number one after seven years. |
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Post by jerz on Apr 22, 2016 8:59:45 GMT -5
Top 16 and still counting for Prince... might hope for Top 20 iTunes? (3 were non-Prince songs; recent hits; from 17-19)
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Post by jerz on Apr 22, 2016 9:01:48 GMT -5
Wait a minute... Is there a delay for recent hits' airplay across the contemporary/hit radio stations due to paying tribute to Prince?
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Post by Gary on Apr 22, 2016 9:02:48 GMT -5
The Prince takeover is accelerating -- 19 of the top 20
iTunes top 5 - non Prince
#17 One Dance - Drake
#21 7 Years - Lukas Graham
#22 Panda - Desiigner
#25 No - Meghan Trainor
#26 Don't Let me Down - Chainsmokers
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2016 9:05:19 GMT -5
I just can't believe he occupies 60 of the top 100 slots on iTunes right now. SIXTY. I mean, I can believe it - it's Prince. but...
Look like the major impact will be next week.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2016 9:15:27 GMT -5
Are we seriously talking about any of these going #1? This had happened before like Whitney's case (#2) but we have Streaming now. One if these would have to have at least 20mil streams for a chance at #1 - high sales or not. 340k sales alone would be enough for #1 on the current week's chart. I'm not saying this is feasible or going to happen for any one Prince song - certainly not in one day, but who knows what the current tracking week will bring. I'm just saying it is entirely possible for a song to be #1 without any streaming and/or airplay points. |
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Post by rimetm on Apr 22, 2016 9:17:55 GMT -5
I'd say it's a safe bet at this point that anything currently in recurrent danger that's in the bottom rung of the top 50 and maybe the bottom quarter of the top 40 is basically dead in the next 2 chart weeks thanks to you-know-who. That includes:
Die a Happy Man
Don't (I know it's #30 at the moment, but it's about to be outpaced by Exchange, and I think that's gonna go)
Down in the DM
Exchange
The Hills
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Post by MTSChart21 on Apr 22, 2016 9:59:33 GMT -5
Credit to: www.kworb.net/airadio*** indicates that the song dropped or added a format -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Why are there so many losses? Is it because of Prince? (That's what I think it is) If so, Drake and P!nk are doing very well  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2016 10:15:41 GMT -5
Wow, that's a pretty miserable update across the board. Even 7Y didn't get its usual 2-3 million gain. Is some song getting a radio deal? Or is the radio playing Prince and the airplay chart just not showing it?
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Post by Gary on Apr 22, 2016 10:18:15 GMT -5
Top 19----
ITunes top 5 - Non Prince
#20 One Dance
#21 7 Years
#23 Panda
#25 No
#27 Don't Let me Down
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2016 10:22:45 GMT -5
Nearly 100 Prince entries on the iTunes top 200 singles chart. This has got to be unprecedented.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2016 10:31:25 GMT -5
Top 19---- ITunes top 5 - Non Prince #20 One Dance #21 7 Years #23 Panda #25 No #27 Don't Let me Down Almost the entire top 20. Just... wow. I think the lack of Prince songs on streaming might actually be helping here if it's inflated sales THIS much. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2016 10:35:34 GMT -5
I love "Erotic City" and notice it's top 20 at iTunes right now, so maybe it will sell enough to make the lower part of the Hot 100. I don't know if that's better than it not charting at all, though. I think it might still be held to the standard of needing enough points to reach Top 50 despite not having charted previously. Bowie's "Heroes" put up decent numbers numbers in the wake of his death (22,000 sold + 2.8 million streams) but didn't appear on the chart. "Blackstar" charted with 3.7 million streams and less than 13,000 sold. (I am using the Billboard article about Bowie's top ten most downloaded and streamed songs after his death for these numbers; too much hassle to link from phone.) Yeah, I'm pretty sure you're right about that rule. Any non-current (catalog) song needs top 50 placement to enter or re-enter the Hot 100. Anyone have any examples which would go against this rule? I can't think of any. |
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Post by KeepDeanWeird on Apr 22, 2016 10:59:51 GMT -5
I think it might still be held to the standard of needing enough points to reach Top 50 despite not having charted previously. Bowie's "Heroes" put up decent numbers numbers in the wake of his death (22,000 sold + 2.8 million streams) but didn't appear on the chart. "Blackstar" charted with 3.7 million streams and less than 13,000 sold. (I am using the Billboard article about Bowie's top ten most downloaded and streamed songs after his death for these numbers; too much hassle to link from phone.) Yeah, I'm pretty sure you're right about that rule. Any non-current (catalog) song needs top 50 placement to enter or re-enter the Hot 100. Anyone have any examples which would go against this rule? I can't think of any. I smell a Billboard rule change. With the sheer number of tracks on the iTunes top 100, if several songs maintain their sales and would qualify for H100 for first time, I bet Billboard changes the rule again. |
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Post by Kworb on Apr 22, 2016 11:01:36 GMT -5
Sales estimates 1. Panda 107,000 2. 7 Years 99,000 3. NO 92,000 4. One Dance 84,000 5. Work From Home 73,000 6. Prince - Purple Rain 72,000 7. Don't Let Me Down 68,000 8. I Took A Pill In Ibiza 68,000 9. Prince - When Doves Cry 60,000 10. Just Like Fire 59,000 11. My House 57,000 12. Prince - Little Red Corvette 54,000 13. Prince - Kiss 51,000 14. Dangerous Woman 51,000 15. Never Forget You 48,000 16. Prince - Let's Go Crazy 47,000 17. Pillowtalk 47,000 18. Work 43,000 19. The Sound of Silence 41,000 20. Cake By The Ocean 39,000 21. Close 38,000 22. Humble And Kind 38,000 23. Prince - 1999 37,000 24. Lost Boy 37,000 kworb.net/cc |
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Post by MTSChart21 on Apr 22, 2016 11:02:22 GMT -5
72k sales in a day!!! Damn!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2016 11:08:42 GMT -5
72k sales in a day!!! Damn! That alone equates to being top 50 this week, maybe even top 40. |
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