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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2016 15:59:18 GMT -5
Why can't we go back to how the threads used to be before like April where we discussed predictions? It all changed about two months after I came around.Hmmmm... what does that tell you? :) The amount and frequency of prediction posts (from you and some others) is the exact reason why it deserved it's own dedicated thread. I feel like this thread became an all day hangout for some to just keep talking about their predictions rather than a topical place to post and find actual info on this week's H100. Suddenly it's 15 pages long, which is ridiculous if you can only check in a few times a week. There needs to be some regulation and a happy medium or it just spirals. Let's not drag this on. I don't make the rules, I just was on team separate thread or do a game thread or whatever works. 19 pages of prediction chatter in this thread is obnoxious for anyone who isn't actively participating in making predictions. |
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Post by Mike is BAD on Apr 26, 2016 16:01:55 GMT -5
Why can't we go back to how the threads used to be before like April where we discussed predictions? It all changed about two months after I came around. Hmmmm... what does that tell you? :) The amount and frequency of prediction posts (from you and some others) is the exact reason why it deserved it's own dedicated thread. I feel like this thread became an all day hangout for some to just keep talking about their predictions rather than a topical place to post and find actual info on this week's H100. Suddenly it's 15 pages long, which is ridiculous if you can only check in a few times a week. There needs to be some regulation and a happy medium or it just spirals. Let's not drag this on. I don't make the rules, I just was on team separate thread or do a game thread or whatever works. But 19 pages of prediction chatter in this thread is obnoxious for anyone who isn't actively participating in making predictions. OH! I get what you mean! I think we should go back to those 7-10 page threads that used to happen before I came along. |
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Post by jenglisbe on Apr 26, 2016 16:21:38 GMT -5
Why can't we go back to how the threads used to be before like April where we discussed predictions? It all changed about two months after I came around. Yeah, I am confused now. So, this is a thread for the Hot 100 chart, but not where we discuss where a song might be on it? So, what should we discuss? |
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Apr 26, 2016 16:25:21 GMT -5
Is it that hard to get? Predictions for the sake of predictions for self-gratification seem to be the issue. Talking about the chart in a conversational manner isn't. If it's really that hard to grasp, everyone just have at it. After a month of going over it over and over and over, it's all been pointless anyway since either way, we haven't been able to do much anything else.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2016 16:27:52 GMT -5
Why can't we go back to how the threads used to be before like April where we discussed predictions? It all changed about two months after I came around. Yeah, I am confused now. So, this is a thread for the Hot 100 chart, but not where we discuss where a song might be on it? So, what should we discuss? It's not that we can't discuss where songs might compare based on data and projections that exist and what not. It's just all the lists and the multiple updates of the lists and the back and forth chatter about the lists. Itsravi has a nice comprehensive prediction with data each week, which is great... but then it became this unspoken - and very noisy - game of who is gonna have the best prediction with a group of people .... and it took over the thread and made it 12 pages longer than it needs to be. That's how I see it. Moderation is key. This thread was spiraling with this newfound and excitable group of people and their love of prediction charts and lists. The "like" button isn't used nearly enough, while the quote button is WAY overused. This thread can/could/should be just as active AFTER the chart comes out than it is in the week leading up to it. You know, discussing results, chart moves and achievements and whatnot. I mean, right? |
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Post by MTSChart21 on Apr 26, 2016 16:43:29 GMT -5
Yeah, I think the new colors win (10 likes to 2 likes)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2016 16:46:45 GMT -5
Yeah, I think the new colors win (10 likes to 2 likes) glad we could work that out today. looks great. glad people agree. win/win! :) |
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Post by Mike is BAD on Apr 26, 2016 16:48:44 GMT -5
Yeah, I think the new colors win (10 likes to 2 likes) I like the old colors because they are a lot less confusing. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2016 16:49:14 GMT -5
"Purple Rain" looks set to sell 400k+ this week. It sold nearly 200k Friday/Saturday alone, it's still selling well on iTunes being 0.55 of Beyoncé with all versions combined (vs Drake "One Dance" on 0.3 of Beyoncé). "Little Red Corvette" sold over 100k, and "Let’s Go Crazy," "1999" and "Kiss" all approaching 100k on Friday/Saturday sales. Hopefully that means we'll see all those enter the top 40/50 of the Hot 100 as well. Kworb predicts only 300k for Purple Rain, which probably wouldn't be enough for #1 on the Hot 100 (given Panda's colossal streaming and the fact that PR's airplay doesn't count I believe) Hopefully that prediction is wrong though and PR ends up selling 400k+ as you say...I'd really like to see it get #1 after having not been able to do so originally |
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Post by MTSChart21 on Apr 26, 2016 16:50:33 GMT -5
Yeah, I think the new colors win (10 likes to 2 likes) I like the old colors because they are a lot less confusing. I don't think anyone really agrees with you  |
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Post by Mayman on Apr 26, 2016 16:51:18 GMT -5
You know just thinking about it, who would've ever thought that PR might actually have a chance at #1 again? It's so crazy after so long, it is getting another chance to go #1. Just my thoughts.
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Post by Mike is BAD on Apr 26, 2016 16:51:49 GMT -5
I like the old colors because they are a lot less confusing. I don't think anyone really agrees with you  Well, I'm different. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2016 16:52:20 GMT -5
You know just thinking about it, who would've ever thought that PR might actually have a chance at #1 again? It's so crazy after so long, it is getting another chance to go #1. Just my thoughts. I was thinking the same thing too. It's quite unexpected indeed |
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Post by Libra on Apr 26, 2016 16:53:42 GMT -5
Kworb predicts only 300k for Purple Rain, which probably wouldn't be enough for #1 on the Hot 100 (given Panda's colossal streaming and the fact that PR's airplay doesn't count I believe) I don't think there's ever a situation where airplay flat-out doesn't count - it's just not going to have a hugely significant amount, and however much it would have, I don't think we have a way to really track it anyway... |
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Post by Mike is BAD on Apr 26, 2016 16:58:39 GMT -5
You know just thinking about it, who would've ever thought that PR might actually have a chance at #1 again? It's so crazy after so long, it is getting another chance to go #1. Just my thoughts. It's like a kid who wants ice cream but he is punished and his parents give him a second chance to prove he deserves it. Sorry haters. |
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Post by badrobot on Apr 26, 2016 18:12:04 GMT -5
When Beyonce's last album debuted, were the songs not available individually for purchase or something? I don't remember her flooding the iTunes chart quite like this.
It's certainly going to be a crazy week on the charts between her and Prince. A month ago, who would've guessed that Formation, Purple Rain, and Panda would be battling for #1?
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Post by jenglisbe on Apr 26, 2016 18:16:49 GMT -5
This thread can/could/should be just as active AFTER the chart comes out than it is in the week leading up to it. You know, discussing results, chart moves and achievements and whatnot. I mean, right? Why, because that's what you want? I actually agree with you in that I'd love for that to be the case, but just because it's what you or I want doesn't mean it's how it should be. Maybe other posters don't feel the same. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2016 18:20:09 GMT -5
why does everyone think Formation is going to challenge for #1? I honestly don't understand it. It's not getting a full week of sales (and it won't get much more than 200k at this rate) and it's probably not going to pull a See You Again and become a big pop smash and stay at #1 on iTunes for weeks (this is similar to an instant grat situation). The song is also not on Spotify to my understanding, it's not one of the most watched videos on YouTube (maybe because it also isn't up on there either, I don't know) and won't have big airplay. I don't think it'll even get top 5. By next week when it will have its first full week of sales, it will not be #1 on iTunes.
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Post by Mike is BAD on Apr 26, 2016 18:22:57 GMT -5
why does everyone think Formation is going to challenge for #1? I honestly don't understand it. It's not getting a full week of sales (and it won't get much more than 200k at this rate) and it's probably not going to pull a See You Again and become a big pop smash and stay at #1 on iTunes for weeks (this is similar to an instant grat situation). The song is also not on Spotify to my understanding, it's not one of the most watched videos on YouTube (maybe because it also isn't up on there either, I don't know) and won't have big airplay. I don't think it'll even get top 5. By next week when it will have its first full week of sales, it will not be #1 on iTunes. I agree with you, but sales are high enough for the Top 10. Somewhere between 7-9. |
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Post by josh on Apr 26, 2016 18:34:30 GMT -5
When Beyonce's last album debuted, were the songs not available individually for purchase or something? I don't remember her flooding the iTunes chart quite like this. I'm pretty sure the songs were album-only for the first week or two. I'm surprised she didn't do the same thing this time. |
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Post by Mike is BAD on Apr 26, 2016 18:42:47 GMT -5
Ravi , where do you think Formation will debut?
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Post by jtd Thee Stallion on Apr 26, 2016 18:53:16 GMT -5
Beyoncé's songs are selling so much because people realized that buying the songs seperately costs less than the actual album
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2016 18:56:24 GMT -5
Beyoncé's songs are selling so much because people realized that buying the songs seperately costs less than the actual album  |
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Post by The Upper Hand on Apr 26, 2016 19:11:04 GMT -5
When Beyonce's last album debuted, were the songs not available individually for purchase or something? I don't remember her flooding the iTunes chart quite like this. I'm pretty sure the songs were album-only for the first week or two. I'm surprised she didn't do the same thing this time. Right, for two weeks they were album-only. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2016 22:24:49 GMT -5
This thread can/could/should be just as active AFTER the chart comes out than it is in the week leading up to it. You know, discussing results, chart moves and achievements and whatnot. I mean, right? Why, because that's what you want? I actually agree with you in that I'd love for that to be the case, but just because it's what you or I want doesn't mean it's how it should be. Maybe other posters don't feel the same. Just a suggestion - or a reminder - as to what else this thread can/could/should be used for. There seemed to be some confusion about that. |
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Post by badrobot on Apr 26, 2016 22:27:04 GMT -5
why does everyone think Formation is going to challenge for #1? I honestly don't understand it. It's not getting a full week of sales (and it won't get much more than 200k at this rate) and it's probably not going to pull a See You Again and become a big pop smash and stay at #1 on iTunes for weeks (this is similar to an instant grat situation). The song is also not on Spotify to my understanding, it's not one of the most watched videos on YouTube (maybe because it also isn't up on there either, I don't know) and won't have big airplay. I don't think it'll even get top 5. By next week when it will have its first full week of sales, it will not be #1 on iTunes. I don't think anybody is a lock for #1 right now. For all I know it could be Drake vs Desiigner while Prince and Beyoncé could both be well behind. I think there are just too many variables at play to say anything definitively. I can't recall a week where there were this many songs that could be in the running for #1. Wild week! |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2016 22:31:29 GMT -5
why does everyone think Formation is going to challenge for #1? I honestly don't understand it. It's not getting a full week of sales (and it won't get much more than 200k at this rate) and it's probably not going to pull a See You Again and become a big pop smash and stay at #1 on iTunes for weeks (this is similar to an instant grat situation). The song is also not on Spotify to my understanding, it's not one of the most watched videos on YouTube (maybe because it also isn't up on there either, I don't know) and won't have big airplay. I don't think it'll even get top 5. By next week when it will have its first full week of sales, it will not be #1 on iTunes. I don't think anybody is a lock for #1 right now. For all I know it could be Drake vs Desiigner while Prince and Beyoncé could both be well behind. I think there are just too many variables at play to say anything definitively. I can't recall a week where there were this many songs that could be in the running for #1. Wild week! well if the Beyonce song has Drake's at about 40% and Drake's song is selling about 20k/day (and that's probably aiming too high tbh), then that would put the Beyonce song at about 50k/day, which is 200k over the Monday-Thursday period. 200k is definitely not enough for #1, or even top 3, on the Hot 100 without at least some airplay. And the 200k figure is assuming the Beyonce song stays this high until Thursday night and doesn't start getting red updates (which I have a feeling won't be the case). That's my logic anyway |
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Post by jenglisbe on Apr 26, 2016 22:32:04 GMT -5
Yeah "Purple Rain" and "Formation" will clearly have high enough sales to be a threat for #1 if they have decent airplay (which we don't know for "Purple Rain") and/or streaming (which we don't really know for either song). The point is more that the variables are hard to predict for the next chart, so to act like either song is out of the race is pretty silly considering their sales will be much higher than the other contenders. For all we know "Formation"/Lemonade is pulling in some huge streaming numbers on Tidal.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2016 22:33:24 GMT -5
Yeah "Purple Rain" and "Formation" will clearly have high enough sales to be a threat for #1 if they have decent airplay (which we don't know for "Purple Rain") and/or streaming (which we don't really know for either song). The point is more that the variables are hard to predict for the next chart, so to act like either song is out of the race is pretty silly considering their sales will be much higher than the other contenders. it's pretty obvious Purple Rain will outsell Formation this week by quite a bit. PR had a full week of sales and a bigger lead over the other songs, wherease Formation did not. |
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Post by emperortigerstar on Apr 26, 2016 22:35:03 GMT -5
I think Beyonce will be a top 5 thing but Prince has a great chance for number 1 and only has to worry about Drake.
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