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Post by WotUNeed on May 31, 2016 21:32:10 GMT -5
OMG I can't with this. I just hurt my head trying to come up with a scenario where more than one person visited popstop. It's hard enough believing even one person would. And there's the flip side to the "Why would scum Cynthia leave me alive" argument... why would at least two people choose to visit popstop? That's another question I could go round-round-back-forth-up-down about. Oh now hold up - I just thought of that alphabetized list - Az is ahead of Cynthia! So there's no chance Cynthia would be copped in that plan. I suppose that might be something. That's nothing I ever would have thought of. An interesting observation, if not one upon which I can hang an argument. Tortured Souls we shall remain then but honestly I am slightly less tortured for knowing that I don't have to focus on defending myself and making myself look more scummy in the process but what do I do now LOL Well, glad I could kind of help, then.
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Post by WotUNeed on May 31, 2016 21:41:31 GMT -5
Wot what do you make of the fact that Cynthia did indeed admit to knowing you were the cop in-thread but only alluded to it enough to make sure you'd catch her drift? I don't know, to be honest. At the time, I thought I was being explicit enough that other people were going to figure out what we were talking about too, but if they did, they didn't acknowledge it. So, possible explanations: *Cynthia figured out I was the Cop and was careful not to draw too much attention to it so that in-thread scum wouldn't catch on. *Cynthia figured out I was the Cop and knew there was no risk in referencing it in thread even veiled because she was scum and didn't have to worry about other people figuring out and was counting on buying some towncred with the fact that she could prove she'd figured out when I eventually flipped. Ugh, even typing that though, that sounds convoluted and is tying a little too much into her game being tied not just to Az's flip, but also mine? Meh. No, that doesn't make a lot of sense. I don't like it. But then again, while I was paranoid that I was admitting to the entire thread I was the cop, nobody else seemed to be really be picking up on it one way or the other, as in, nobody else's town read on me seemed to be solidifying without me having explicitly claimed Cop... which could mean that nobody else was interested in hunting out the cop because they were focused on hunting scum. So basically, I can argue your question either way. But it was a good question.
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Post by popstop on May 31, 2016 21:53:14 GMT -5
LOL. I like how you edited out my cursing. No, I'm legit frustrated you didn't cop me. I've been assuming all day you had. And I bet Cynthia assumed it too, which is why she was too willing to flip to albie. She suddenly starts agreeing with me when I mention that I hoped your comment meant you copped me. Cynthia's our scum, but I don't know how I can make it clear to you.
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Post by popstop on May 31, 2016 21:54:50 GMT -5
It is interesting watching you debate this when I know the answer, though
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Post by WotUNeed on May 31, 2016 21:59:46 GMT -5
LOL. I like how you edited out my cursing. LOL, you know it didn't fucking bother me. I try hard to edit down posted quotes as my attempts to catch up have a bad tendency to turn into walls as it is. With me, Albie, and Cynthia all playing, I feel sorry for anyone who's been trying to read this thing as a non-player.
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Post by Albie on May 31, 2016 22:08:42 GMT -5
Haha seriously my favorite was when you quoted me one time and wrote something like "lots of text here". I LOL'd for real.
I legit can't wait to get into the green room and read about me getting read. That is if people didn't stop following because of our word walls lol.
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Post by Albie on May 31, 2016 22:25:38 GMT -5
Ok but seriously I've not been in this position before where I'm cleared. I know I can speak frankly with Wot so that's good but other than that how do we move forward? I'm sure it would help if Cynthia could chime in but other than that I don't know what to look at anymore.
I'm as lost as ever actually. Popstop's argument about playing this game a little lost like I have been was a compelling one.
I guess it comes down whom I believe more?
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Post by WotUNeed on May 31, 2016 22:44:31 GMT -5
Ok but seriously I've not been in this position before where I'm cleared. I know I can speak frankly with Wot so that's good but other than that how do we move forward? I'm sure it would help if Cynthia could chime in but other than that I don't know what to look at anymore. ... I guess it comes down whom I believe more? In practical terms, you're screwed. You have the freedom to look at anything you want, ask questions of any of the three of us, reread anything knowing what you now know about everyone but two players in the game... but even if you end up making the right decision, you'll be greeted with all kinds of criticism about how you missed ten obvious signs that should have led you to take your action a hundred times faster. Unless you think we're spinning our wheels and decide to just throw a vote somewhere, in which case, you'll get criticized for not using all of your time productively. ... and yet for some reason we keep playing this game, eh? But as for actual game advice: It's up to you what happens from here. If you wanna debate points back and forth with me, we can do that. Hell, since it's impossible for scum to arm again and we know there's only one scum player left in the game, we can do that right up to deadline if you want to buy yourself more time to decide. If you think you know what's going on, then, yeah, accuse Ms. Peacock or Mr. Green. If you have questions you want clarified, even though popstop and Cynthia no longer need to scumhunt (which is a lot of why I wanted to see what they had to say before being able to tunnel), you can still ask them whatever you think might be helpful. Just know that one of them is going to lie to you and, yes, all you're gonna have to go on is which one you think is consistently giving explanations that are most likely to be town. I would recommend against lynching Cynthia before she has a chance to speak again. She has nothing to gain as town or scum by avoiding the topic until after the deadline, so I expect she'll say something at some point prior to the deadline running out.
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Post by popstop on May 31, 2016 22:50:43 GMT -5
Well, hopefully, it will also come to down what you read.
How can I help you guys? Are there questions? I feel powerless. :(
Now that I know the truth, I see how I was played and how I put myself in position to be played by Cynthia. It's rather aggravating I can't give you the truth glasses with which I'm re-reading this thread.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2016 22:55:37 GMT -5
LOL. I like how you edited out my cursing. No, I'm legit frustrated you didn't cop me. I've been assuming all day you had. And I bet Cynthia assumed it too, which is why she was too willing to flip to albie. She suddenly starts agreeing with me when I mention that I hoped your comment meant you copped me. Cynthia's our scum, but I don't know how I can make it clear to you. Sorry I've been out all day, and although I have read all of this page I haven't caught up on all of the previous one yet. But in short, I assumed nothing? Wot wouldn't even confirm that he visited either one of you, and made it clear that he wasn't going to confirm until we all gave some more reasoning for him to work with, so I gave mine and made a vote based on it. Also, my visitation plan wasn't reliant on it being alphabetical. I used that for my example, but i also noted that we could use another order if we wanted to, and that if we wanted a truly randomized order we should ask the game mods to randomize one for us. We never got around to discussing that any further because just about everyone agreed that the plan itself was too flawed to use. Anyway if Wot visited albie then that only leaves you, so vote: popstop
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Post by Albie on May 31, 2016 22:58:10 GMT -5
Yeah I mean I definitely want Cynthia to come in here and say...anything. I'm not a fan of lynching someone that isn't around. I mean with Max well he showed no signs of coming back and it was actually about to be deadline so it was what it was.
We've got plenty of time to actually vote though. And since I don't have to worry about being around to defend myself I'm feeling less pressured and less bad about not really being around the next few days.
I'm going to try my best to be here at deadline but I have no control over my time Thursday evening. I'll be checking in tomorrow and I'll have to lay a vote down then just in case I can't make it back to deadline.
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Post by josh on May 31, 2016 23:07:15 GMT -5
It is Day 3.
Deadline has been set for 06/02/2016 at 11:59:59 PM ET.
It takes 3/4 votes to lynch!
Day 3 Vote Count 1:
Cynthia: Popstop Popstop: Cynthia
Not Voting: Albie, WotUNeed
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Post by popstop on May 31, 2016 23:07:24 GMT -5
I feel like the alphabetical order I used above is the simplest way to go about it, as it takes control of the order out of everyone's hands. The only hitch to this is that I alphabetized that list according to current screen names, and popstop has now become Justin Trudeau's Hair so he's thrown my list off When josh listed the players in the opening post he alphabetized us by our oringal user names, so we could go that way as well. Well, you do lowkey defend the alphabetical order here. Sorry my name change messed up your order btw. But honestly this is the most minor of your scum tells.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2016 23:13:48 GMT -5
I feel like the alphabetical order I used above is the simplest way to go about it, as it takes control of the order out of everyone's hands. The only hitch to this is that I alphabetized that list according to current screen names, and popstop has now become Justin Trudeau's Hair so he's thrown my list off When josh listed the players in the opening post he alphabetized us by our oringal user names, so we could go that way as well. Well, you do lowkey defend the alphabetical order here. Sorry my name change messed up your order btw. But honestly this is the most minor of your scum tells. yeah but then if you go by the opening post order Az and I are no longer next to each other. (wtf is an oringal?)
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Post by Albie on May 31, 2016 23:32:09 GMT -5
Cynthia what do you make now of the fact that indeed one of last night's NK's did visit someone they didn't feel totally safe about? This was so implausible to you before I was cleared. Who would most likely have done that and why?
Also, why were you so willing to put a vote down (on me) before Wot gave us more information and not after you'd given your input on his questions? You didn't seem so convinced that I'm scum but still ok with laying your vote down on me.
Popstop I'm having trouble with your explanation that because Wot said he suspected Cynthia that you equated that to "oh he must have copped her". Why did you work so surely on that assumption when it truly was nothing but an assumption? Wot had made no clear indication as to whom he'd copped but you'd been so sure about me even after Wot had expressed a suspicion of Cynthia. Guide me through your thought process because I don't follow.
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Post by popstop on May 31, 2016 23:46:20 GMT -5
I just made the leap that suspected = copped. I think again, because I was waiting with baited breath once I saw the cop survived to be cleared by him, I was just trigger happy when he mentioned Cynthia instead.
I think it's interesting Cynthia followed my vote so quickly though. In that situation, if she were town and I'm town, that would have left you scum. But she wouldn't have known that, only I would have known that for sure. There was no debate for her between you and me liek Cynthia and I are doing now - she just voted for. It seems weird she would be so sure I'm town after having "an FOS" on me all of D2 and into D3.
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Post by popstop on May 31, 2016 23:59:10 GMT -5
If you look at the events, it's pretty clear Az was bussed and that was the plan. Az provided minimal output through the whole of D2, and Cynthia stayed on him all day. It may have even been the plan for D1 until we voted Max.
Because I was mopey and sad from the beginning of D2, and reacted to your FOS, I made a fine target as a patsy.
I mean, doesn't that coordinated plan make more sense to you as a scum team than whatever you thought I was doing with Az?
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Post by Albie on Jun 1, 2016 0:06:54 GMT -5
If you look at the events, it's pretty clear Az was bussed and that was the plan. Az provided minimal output through the whole of D2, and Cynthia stayed on him all day. It may have even been the plan for D1 until we voted Max. Because I was mopey and sad from the beginning of D2, and reacted to your FOS, I made a fine target as a patsy. I mean, doesn't that coordinated plan make more sense to you as a scum team than whatever you thought I was doing with Az? umm yes I know. I had a whole tirade on this on page 22. Did you read that where I long-windedly said what you just summarized? Where was this clarity yesterday?
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Post by popstop on Jun 1, 2016 0:18:36 GMT -5
There was no clarity yesterday because I didn't have confirmation that Cynthia is mafia.
And if you wrote it, why are you doubting it?
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Post by Albie on Jun 1, 2016 0:24:11 GMT -5
There was no clarity yesterday because I didn't have confirmation that Cynthia is mafia. And if you wrote it, why are you doubting it? Because there is no clarity today because I don't have confirmation that you are town. Sigh
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2016 0:48:38 GMT -5
Cynthia what do you make now of the fact that indeed one of last night's NK's did visit someone they didn't feel totally safe about? This was so implausible to you before I was cleared. Who would most likely have done that and why? Also, why were you so willing to put a vote down (on me) before Wot gave us more information and not after you'd given your input on his questions? You didn't seem so convinced that I'm scum but still ok with laying your vote down on me. That still seems weird to me, honestly. I could come around to the idea of Narwhals doing that, because he seemed to be picking up on things that other players were doing and incorporating it into his own play. Ginger had just entered the game so I didn't think that is something he would do, but I guess I'm applying my own logic there. I also really don't know about LBT either. He might have been too distracted to even put a lot of thought into it. I just don't know anymore. Wot seemed to be pushing us all for some kind of reaction so I gave him the reaction I had.
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Post by popstop on Jun 1, 2016 0:50:20 GMT -5
Well, OK, I'm going to bed. I don't know how to make it more clear I am town to you. Good night. I hope I have an exciting sex dream.
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Post by Albie on Jun 1, 2016 1:05:41 GMT -5
I acknowledge your response Cynthia but I've had too much wine to really read it.
Popstop see you in your dreams
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Post by popstop on Jun 1, 2016 13:54:11 GMT -5
No sex dream. Sorry, Albie :'( OMG I can't with this. I just hurt my head trying to come up with a scenario where more than one person visited popstop. It's hard enough believing even one person would. And there's the flip side to the "Why would scum Cynthia leave me alive" argument... why would at least two people choose to visit popstop? That's another question I could go round-round-back-forth-up-down about. If as PGO, Cynthia did manage to get the cop, all the better for her. But she knowingly avoided NKing the cop, then ran out on D3 with one of her first posts to say she knew who the cop was all along, which supposedly enhances her towncred. She also uses this reasoning as a way to hide who she really visited. She didn't have to worry about getting copped for N2; she just had to make sure she knew who Wot had copped before making any sort of hard judgment today. Really, Cynthia exposing Wot as the cop is an odd choice for a town person. If she knew Wot was town, I think I would hold her cards on this knowledge at least a little longer and take a cue from him. I don't see the point in exposing Wot ahead of him doing the same, but for no reason than to establish a sense of towniness.
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Post by popstop on Jun 1, 2016 16:09:40 GMT -5
I just thought of something. Az and Cynthia knew Wot was a cop on D2, but did anyone else know? Did you know albie? I didn't. Az knew Wot was a cop. If I were Az's scum partner, don't you think he would have shared that information with me?
Yet even though Wot clears LBT, I cluelessly stay on LBT like white on rice. If I knew Wot was a cop, wouldn't I presume LBT was town? What gain as mafia would I then get from going after LBT anyway? I questioned Cynthia specifically about LBT and she says "Nope, not budging." I asked Cynthia to poke holes in my theory on LBT. I asked Cynthia specifically if she would pick Wot or LBT as mafia. It's obvious I did not pick up the cop tell (nor, humorously, did LBT, from his reaction to Az's "Town, moving on.")
What makes more sense? Scum knowing about the cop and avoiding LBT? Or cum knowing about the cop and staying on LBT's ass anyway?
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Post by popstop on Jun 1, 2016 16:11:31 GMT -5
Oh, hm, that is an unfortunate typo.
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Post by Albie on Jun 1, 2016 16:40:56 GMT -5
Lol I've made that typo a million times but always caught it.
No I didn't know Wot was the cop. I thought that's what Cynthia was hinting at knowing but didn't make the connection as to who.
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Post by josh on Jun 1, 2016 20:58:37 GMT -5
It is Day 3.
Deadline has been set for 06/02/2016 at 11:59:59 PM ET.
It takes 3/4 votes to lynch!
Day 3 Vote Count 1v2:
Cynthia: Popstop Popstop: Cynthia
Not Voting: Albie, WotUNeed
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Post by popstop on Jun 1, 2016 23:03:14 GMT -5
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Post by Albie on Jun 2, 2016 0:08:34 GMT -5
WotUNeed we're delaying the inevitable at this point. I have tomorrow morning my timezone to be around but after midday checking in here is going to be rare. I'm willing to follow your lead and take the loss with you if that is what should happen. Of course I'd love to win but I haven't exactly been that awesome so a loss wouldn't be inappropriate for me.
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