Billboard Hot 100: 09/17/2016

[atg]

Sept 5, 2016 10:39:07 GMT -5 flextamcsignals said:

So Ride is falling off, but it's 1. After it finally hit the top 5, and 2. Coinciding with the rise of Heathens, which hit the top 10 with huge sales and streaming thanks to Suicide Squad (the hype has died down but it's still #2 on the iTunes chart), but no airplay. And now that it has airplay, I can see it sticking around.

The hype has died but sucker for pain, gangsta and purple Lamborghini might stick around for a bit 

[imperialmarch]

Sept 4, 2016 20:32:17 GMT -5 @markg94 said:

Sept 4, 2016 20:28:30 GMT -5 brady47 said:

Omg, Wildest Dreams is still in the top 60 of airplay? The longevity of that single on radio is amazing.

Shut Up And Dance being still top 50 as well as ahead of Stressed Out is even more impressive

Uptown funk came out almost 2 years ago and ot charted the entire time, i personaly find that more impressive

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Sept 5, 2016 15:15:20 GMT -5 imperialmarch said:

Sept 4, 2016 20:32:17 GMT -5 @markg94 said:

Shut Up And Dance being still top 50 as well as ahead of Stressed Out is even more impressive

Uptown funk came out almost 2 years ago and ot charted the entire time, i personaly find that more impressive

UF's longevity is quite impressive too, but I think SUAD actually came out around the same time.

[jenglisbe]

"Hold Up" is now on YouTube so we'll see if it can outdo "Sorry" on the Hot 100.

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Sept 5, 2016 12:35:05 GMT -5 Au$tin said:

Sept 5, 2016 12:17:28 GMT -5 @zach808 said:

Is it normal for songs to suddenly freefall on radio if the artist's next single starts gaining a lot of traction? Ever since Closer and Heathens have started gaining 2m+ AI per day, DLMD and Ride have been losing about that much.

Yes, that is extremely common. If that doesn't happen, it's a sign that the new single could eventually brickwall and go nowhere (see: "Out of the Woods" and "New Romantics" against "Wildest Dreams"). Though, it's not always the case. Especially when the songs are released to separate formats, such as Drake. "Too Good" and "Controlla" are able to coincide without hurting each other because they're at different formats for the most part. Also, "Controlla" broke before "Too Good," but it wasn't until "Too Good" hit that "One Dance" was affected since those two would be coming from the same format.

There are also cases where two songs from the same artist can literally just coexist. That's not common, but it can happen, such as "Only Girl (In the World)" and "What's My Name?" from Rihanna at relatively the same time.

Wow, is that was happened with Work and Kiss It Better? Cause if KIB was brickwalled because Work was too dominant, then that's a real shame.

[Au$tin]

Sept 5, 2016 16:09:46 GMT -5 @zach808 said:

Sept 5, 2016 12:35:05 GMT -5 Au$tin said:

Yes, that is extremely common. If that doesn't happen, it's a sign that the new single could eventually brickwall and go nowhere (see: "Out of the Woods" and "New Romantics" against "Wildest Dreams"). Though, it's not always the case. Especially when the songs are released to separate formats, such as Drake. "Too Good" and "Controlla" are able to coincide without hurting each other because they're at different formats for the most part. Also, "Controlla" broke before "Too Good," but it wasn't until "Too Good" hit that "One Dance" was affected since those two would be coming from the same format.

There are also cases where two songs from the same artist can literally just coexist. That's not common, but it can happen, such as "Only Girl (In the World)" and "What's My Name?" from Rihanna at relatively the same time.

Wow, is that was happened with Work and Kiss It Better? Cause if KIB was brickwalled because Work was too dominant, then that's a real shame.

Actually, it's more that the new single isn't catching on, so radio holds onto the older hit longer, not really the other way around. That is, unless the new single got released too early.

[chicken077]

Sept 5, 2016 15:21:05 GMT -5 @markg94 said:

Sept 5, 2016 15:15:20 GMT -5 imperialmarch said:

Uptown funk came out almost 2 years ago and ot charted the entire time, i personaly find that more impressive

UF's longevity is quite impressive too, but I think SUAD actually came out around the same time.

Yep, for most of their chart runs, UF and SUAD had exactly the same number of "weeks on chart". I think SUAD actually debuted earlier, since it fell off for a week or something before reentering.

[feoba]

Sept 5, 2016 12:35:05 GMT -5 Au$tin said:

Wow, is that was happened with Work and Kiss It Better? Cause if KIB was brickwalled because Work was too dominant, then that's a real shame.

Kiss It Better was released on the same day as Needed Me too, and Airplay ate Needed Me up.

[jenglisbe]

Sept 5, 2016 21:40:43 GMT -5 feoba said:

Sept 5, 2016 12:35:05 GMT -5 Au$tin said:

Wow, is that was happened with Work and Kiss It Better? Cause if KIB was brickwalled because Work was too dominant, then that's a real shame.

Kiss It Better was released on the same day as Needed Me too, and Airplay ate Needed Me up.

But wasn't "KIB" released to Top 40 while "NM" was sent to Rhythmic and Urban?

[feoba]

Sept 5, 2016 21:43:17 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

Sept 5, 2016 21:40:43 GMT -5 feoba said:

Kiss It Better was released on the same day as Needed Me too, and Airplay ate Needed Me up.

But wasn't "KIB" released to Top 40 while "NM" was sent to Rhythmic and Urban?

I believe that was the case, yeah. Also, did the top 10 not come out today or am I mistaken? I've been at work all day.

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Sept 5, 2016 21:48:11 GMT -5 feoba said:

Sept 5, 2016 21:43:17 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

But wasn't "KIB" released to Top 40 while "NM" was sent to Rhythmic and Urban?

I believe that was the case, yeah. Also, did the top 10 not come out today or am I mistaken? I've been at work all day.

Labor Day holiday, that's why the charts were delayed by one day. The top ten will be revealed tomorrow

[feoba]

Sept 5, 2016 21:49:39 GMT -5 @markg94 said:

Sept 5, 2016 21:48:11 GMT -5 feoba said:

I believe that was the case, yeah. Also, did the top 10 not come out today or am I mistaken? I've been at work all day.

Labor Day holiday, that's why the charts were delayed by one day. The top ten will be revealed tomorrow

Ah, well alright haha 😂😂

[Au$tin]

Sept 5, 2016 21:43:17 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

Sept 5, 2016 21:40:43 GMT -5 feoba said:

Kiss It Better was released on the same day as Needed Me too, and Airplay ate Needed Me up.

But wasn't "KIB" released to Top 40 while "NM" was sent to Rhythmic and Urban?

Yes, and Needed Me didn't even start really taking off on pop until KIB died. They did not compete with each other. Work was also out of the picture pretty much when KIB came. KIB just never caught on unfortunately. I blame the dual release there. There was no reason to do that. KIB could have worked on urban and rhythmic and clearly Needed Me works on pop, so... Really KIB should have followed Work all around with heavy promo (which, BTW, her team decided to push NM harder for some reason), then NM as the third single to all formats.

[85la]

Sept 5, 2016 16:07:07 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

"Hold Up" is now on YouTube so we'll see if it can outdo "Sorry" on the Hot 100.

It would be really nice if they could give one of her singles from this era a full-on and proper push. I mean, it's great that she can still sell albums and all, but with so many radio friendly singles from this album, she could also still have a solid hit single or two. It would be a shame.

[bigbertha]

Sept 5, 2016 23:00:00 GMT -5 Au$tin said:

Sept 5, 2016 21:43:17 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

But wasn't "KIB" released to Top 40 while "NM" was sent to Rhythmic and Urban?

Yes, and Needed Me didn't even start really taking off on pop until KIB died. They did not compete with each other. Work was also out of the picture pretty much when KIB came. KIB just never caught on unfortunately. I blame the dual release there. There was no reason to do that. KIB could have worked on urban and rhythmic and clearly Needed Me works on pop, so... Really KIB should have followed Work all around with heavy promo (which, BTW, her team decided to push NM harder for some reason), then NM as the third single to all formats.

There was also TIWYCF arriving to hinder Kiss It Better on Pop.

[Chris Ng]

Sept 5, 2016 23:00:00 GMT -5 Au$tin said:

Sept 5, 2016 21:43:17 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

But wasn't "KIB" released to Top 40 while "NM" was sent to Rhythmic and Urban?

Yes, and Needed Me didn't even start really taking off on pop until KIB died. They did not compete with each other. Work was also out of the picture pretty much when KIB came. KIB just never caught on unfortunately. I blame the dual release there. There was no reason to do that. KIB could have worked on urban and rhythmic and clearly Needed Me works on pop, so... Really KIB should have followed Work all around with heavy promo (which, BTW, her team decided to push NM harder for some reason), then NM as the third single to all formats.

As much as i love the song, KIB just couldn't happen. I don't know why, it's catchy to me but it did nothing on charts.

[Harx]

Does anybody know the hour of today's Periscope stream?

[felipe]

Do you guys still believe radio is the most important component in deciding a song's success?

Every discussion I see around here is "They should release this song, it's so radio-friendly," "They shouldn't have released that song, radio will never play it," "Song 'A' flopped because radio refused to play it," "Singer 'X' doesn't get hits anymore because radio is ageist..."

I never hear "They shouldn't release that song because people won't stream it or pay for it on iTunes," it's like radio always holds the power to determine whether a song will be popular or not, and if it flops it's always radio's fault.

[Enigma.]

So the chart won't be live today?

[Bigfatliar 3]

Sept 6, 2016 7:22:20 GMT -5 felipe said:

Do you guys still believe radio is the most important component in deciding a song's success?

Every discussion I see around here is "They should release this song, it's so radio-friendly," "They shouldn't have released that song, radio will never play it," "Song 'A' flopped because radio refused to play it," "Singer 'X' doesn't get hits anymore because radio is ageist..."

I never hear "They shouldn't release that song because people won't stream it or pay for it on iTunes," it's like radio always holds the power to determine whether a song will be popular or not, and if it flops it's always radio's fault.

On my perspective, Radio is the one who drives streaming and sales. Like or not, some song will be infecting your mind and know the lyrics. And if they do love the song, ppl would stream it. But, also there's some deal that rule some stations & formats (Country as much) which is only apllied for 7 days. Plus, many stations who always have some quiz directly from the label itself especially Meet & Greets, isnt that a big deal to keep listening to your fav station? I do say yes. 

[mrchartknowitall]

Periscope for the new Hot 100 will be at 2 PM today ...

[forg]

Sept 6, 2016 7:22:20 GMT -5 felipe said:

Do you guys still believe radio is the most important component in deciding a song's success?

Every discussion I see around here is "They should release this song, it's so radio-friendly," "They shouldn't have released that song, radio will never play it," "Song 'A' flopped because radio refused to play it," "Singer 'X' doesn't get hits anymore because radio is ageist..."

I never hear "They shouldn't release that song because people won't stream it or pay for it on iTunes," it's like radio always holds the power to determine whether a song will be popular or not, and if it flops it's always radio's fault.

Well Radio still exposes a song to a larger audience and I feel that sometimes subconsciously they influence what a casual listener would like

[jenglisbe]

Sept 6, 2016 8:00:59 GMT -5 Bigfatliar 3 said:

On my perspective, Radio is the one who drives streaming and sales.

Eh, there are examples all ways. The current #1 "Closer" was definitely not driven by radio; radio has been reacting to sales and streaming.

[badrobot]

"Radio friendly" basically means "lots of people will probably like this."

I think given that any song can be purchased or streamed now, it is also a convenient way to distinguish between songs that are "promoted" vs not.

I still think passive streaming should be incorporated into radio rather than with "on-demand" streaming. Radio + passive streaming together constitute the primary way people hear new songs that they might not otherwise listen to, whereas sales and on-demand streaming require somebody to actively choose a song.

[Bigfatliar 3]

Sept 6, 2016 11:42:06 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

Sept 6, 2016 8:00:59 GMT -5 Bigfatliar 3 said:

On my perspective, Radio is the one who drives streaming and sales.

Eh, there are examples all ways. The current #1 "Closer" was definitely not driven by radio; radio has been reacting to sales and streaming.

Well, that's right, Hello is the one too. I mean for not top 10 conteders or sleeper hits that struggling or going to flopped w/o radio. Cheap Thrills and Stressed Out obviously were bigger from radio. And Me Too actually had hit top 5 sales for long time and its streaming also was quite good (still top20 now on YT), but you know how the single run now w/o radio support. 

[Bigfatliar 3]

Sept 6, 2016 11:46:22 GMT -5 badrobot said:

I still think passive streaming should be incorporated into radio rather than with "on-demand" streaming. Radio + passive streaming together constitute the primary way people hear new songs that they might not otherwise listen to, whereas sales and on-demand streaming require somebody to actively choose a song.

I'm not sure bout this one but.. 
"A ranking of the top on-demand play request and plays from unlimited listener-controlled radio channels on leading music subscription services." 

www.billboard.com/charts/on-demand-songs

is this from a radio/passive streaming as you said?

[forg]

I can't explain it but there's a different effect hearing a song on radio, sometimes I grew to like songs after hearing it a lot on radio

[imperialmarch]

Sept 6, 2016 11:54:07 GMT -5 Bigfatliar 3 said:

Sept 6, 2016 11:42:06 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

Eh, there are examples all ways. The current #1 "Closer" was definitely not driven by radio; radio has been reacting to sales and streaming.

Well, that's right, Hello is the one too. I mean for not top 10 conteders or sleeper hits that struggling or going to flopped w/o radio. Cheap Thrills and Stressed Out obviously were bigger from radio. And Me Too actually had hit top ales for long time and its streaming also was quite good (still top20 now on YT), but you know how the single run now w/o radio support. 

I think that watch me last year was only blocked from a better position(maybe even #1), because the radio just didn't want to play it(a good idea imm). So radio can break(undermine is better in this case) a song.

[Harx]

Nobody's doing it today? Oh well

100. Tove Lo - Cool Girl
50. Sam Hunt - Make You Miss Me
43. Kelsea Ballerini - Peter Pan
31. Ariana Grante ft. Nicki Minaj - Side To Side (highest debut)
28. Daya - Sit Still Look Pretty (new peak)
20. kiiara - Gold
17. Britney Spears ft. G-Eazy - Make Me
15. Ariana Grande - Into You
13. DJ Snake ft. Justin Bieber - Let Me Love You
12. Charlie Puth ft. Selena Gomez - We Don't Talk Anymore (new peak)

10. Rihanna - Needed Me
9. Drake - One Dance
8. Shawn Mendes - Treat You Better (new peak, why.......)
7. twenty one pilots - Ride
6. Calvin Harris ft. Rihanna - This Is What You Came For
5. The Chainsmokers - Don't Let Me Down
4. Sia ft. Sean Paul - Cheap Thrills (#1 on radio)
3. twenty one pilots - Heathens (new peak)
2. Major Lazer ft. Justin Bieber - Cold Water
1. The Chainsmokers - Closer (#1 in sales, #1 in streaming)

Love Yourself is gone

[Old-school 72]

There is not 1 song in the top 10 that I like. WTF. I'm gonna have to start getting the UK top 40 instead.