Billboard Hot 100: 09/17/2016

[Choco]

Boring top 10 aside from Needed Me returning and Heathens reaching a new peak.

[Leo ✔]

Don't Let Me Down rebounds.. Wooow

[rimetm]

Love Yourself is confirmed off the chart this week; now it's time for that race to see if Work or One Dance can overtake it for the 2016 crown.

[Leo ✔]

Sept 6, 2016 13:32:35 GMT -5 rimetm said:

Love Yourself is confirmed off the chart this week; now it's time for that race to see if Work or One Dance can overtake it for the 2016 crown.

Yaaaaaay!!!

[MTSChart21]

Sept 6, 2016 13:10:10 GMT -5 Harx said:

33. Kelsea Ballerini - Peter Pan

Actually, it's #43

[Harx]

Sept 6, 2016 13:42:00 GMT -5 MTSChart21 said:

Sept 6, 2016 13:10:10 GMT -5 Harx said:

33. Kelsea Ballerini - Peter Pan

Actually, it's #43

Sorry, misheard it

[Au$tin]

Sept 6, 2016 13:20:51 GMT -5 Old-school 72 said:

There is not 1 song in the top 10 that I like. WTF. I'm gonna have to start getting the UK top 40 instead.

Closer #1
Cold Water #3
Heathens #5
Cheap Thrills #19
Don't Let Me Down #6
This Is What You Came For #12
Ride #48
Treat You Better #9
One Dance #8
Needed Me #51

Good luck with that...

[Harx]

Lukas Graham logs its second top 40 Hot 100 hit, as "Mama Said" jumps 47-36

[Leo ✔]

36. Mama Said

www.billboard.com/articles/columns/chart-beat/7496112/britney-spears-ariana-grande-nicki-minaj-vmas-boost

[Harx]

Does anybody know anything about "Hymn for the weekend"???

[forg]

Sept 6, 2016 13:50:05 GMT -5 Au$tin said:

Sept 6, 2016 13:20:51 GMT -5 Old-school 72 said:

There is not 1 song in the top 10 that I like. WTF. I'm gonna have to start getting the UK top 40 instead.

Closer #1
Cold Water #3
Heathens #5
Cheap Thrills #19
Don't Let Me Down #6
This Is What You Came For #12
Ride #48
Treat You Better #9
One Dance #8
Needed Me #51

Good luck with that...

The UK Chart is actually more boring this year than the Hot 100

[wavey.]

Didn't some of yall say StS would debut at like 50 something?

[Golden Bluebird]

Sept 6, 2016 13:10:10 GMT -5 Harx said:

Nobody's doing it today? Oh well

100. Tove Lo - Cool Girl
50. Sam Hunt - Make You Miss Me
43. Kelsea Ballerini - Peter Pan
31. Ariana Grante ft. Nicki Minaj - Side To Side (highest debut)
28. Daya - Sit Still Look Pretty (new peak)
20. kiiara - Gold
17. Britney Spears ft. G-Eazy - Make Me
15. Ariana Grande - Into You
13. DJ Snake ft. Justin Bieber - Let Me Love You
12. Charlie Puth ft. Selena Gomez - We Don't Talk Anymore (new peak)

10. Rihanna - Needed Me
9. Drake - One Dance
8. Shawn Mendes - Treat You Better (new peak, why.......)
7. twenty one pilots - Ride
6. Calvin Harris ft. Rihanna - This Is What You Came For
5. The Chainsmokers - Don't Let Me Down
4. Sia ft. Sean Paul - Cheap Thrills (#1 on radio)
3. twenty one pilots - Heathens (new peak)
2. Major Lazer ft. Justin Bieber - Cold Water
1. The Chainsmokers - Closer (#1 in sales, #1 in streaming)

Love Yourself is gone

They also mentioned Beyonce's "Sorry", which jumps from #68 to #62.

[rimetm]

I'm on a roll getting my questions answered! Though on a less positive note, if One Dance falls out of the zone next week, Too Good doesn't look to be in a position to replace it and keep the streak going...

The hits literally keep coming. Sucker for Pain is a bit down, but still top 20, so maybe it could legitimately make the year-end?

[badrobot]

Sept 6, 2016 12:01:19 GMT -5 Bigfatliar 3 said:

Sept 6, 2016 11:46:22 GMT -5 badrobot said:

I still think passive streaming should be incorporated into radio rather than with "on-demand" streaming. Radio + passive streaming together constitute the primary way people hear new songs that they might not otherwise listen to, whereas sales and on-demand streaming require somebody to actively choose a song.

I'm not sure bout this one but.. 
"A ranking of the top on-demand play request and plays from unlimited listener-controlled radio channels on leading music subscription services." 

www.billboard.com/charts/on-demand-songs

is this from a radio/passive streaming as you said?

I do not know exactly what that means to be honest. My best guess is that refers to when you do something like pick a song or an artist and "make a radio station" out of it, but I don't know. I personally would categorize that the same as "passive streaming" but it's definitely complex to slice streaming down that finely, the more I think about it.

[rimetm]

I know what that refers to: services like Pandora, Rdio, and iHeartRadio (all of which are part of the data to my knowledge) that are built around the radio model of choosing a genre or artist and building a playlist from that. The former portion ("A ranking of the top on-demand play request") refers to what we call "active streaming": choosing a singular song or playlist/album with predefined songs to play completely of your own volition.

[taylor]

In the Billboard article for the Top 10, it says Closer is the first song to sell more than 200k in a week since CSTF debuted with 379k, but CSTF also actually sold 204k in its second week; afterwards it fell to 174k.

[jenglisbe]

The lead "Closer" has maintained in sales (and on the Hot 100) is pretty incredible. It doesn't seem to be slowing down either, and that's without a video release.

[Deleted]

Poor "Make Me...", so close to getting a new peak...
surprised at One Dance being #9 :O

[felipe]

Sept 6, 2016 10:47:55 GMT -5 forg said:

Sept 6, 2016 7:22:20 GMT -5 felipe said:

Do you guys still believe radio is the most important component in deciding a song's success?

Every discussion I see around here is "They should release this song, it's so radio-friendly," "They shouldn't have released that song, radio will never play it," "Song 'A' flopped because radio refused to play it," "Singer 'X' doesn't get hits anymore because radio is ageist..."

I never hear "They shouldn't release that song because people won't stream it or pay for it on iTunes," it's like radio always holds the power to determine whether a song will be popular or not, and if it flops it's always radio's fault.

Well Radio still exposes a song to a larger audience and I feel that sometimes subconsciously they influence what a casual listener would like

So would you guys go as far as saying radio is the most important component, since it's the one most likely to affect the other two (despite the exceptions)?

[Old-school 72]

So maybe the UK chart isn't much better but 8 artists I love are in the Top 40. Calum Scott, Jonas Blue, Martin Garrix, clean bandit, Bastille, Olly Murs, snakeships, and Craig David. None of those songs are anywhere in the US except Martin Garrix.

[Au$tin]

Sept 6, 2016 19:59:49 GMT -5 Old-school 72 said:

So maybe the UK chart isn't much better but 8 artists I love are in the Top 40. Calum Scott, Jonas Blue, Martin Garrix, clean bandit, Bastille, Olly Murs, snakeships, and Craig David. None of those songs are anywhere in the US except Martin Garrix.

To be fair, that's because none of those songs have been released as singles here except Martin Garrix and Bastille.

[85la]

Sept 6, 2016 19:45:49 GMT -5 felipe said:

Sept 6, 2016 10:47:55 GMT -5 forg said:

Well Radio still exposes a song to a larger audience and I feel that sometimes subconsciously they influence what a casual listener would like

So would you guys go as far as saying radio is the most important component, since it's the one most likely to affect the other two (despite the exceptions)?

I would say radio affects streaming more, but not sales, because songs almost always reach their sales peaks before their radio peaks. Sometimes, it seems that if songs, after reaching their peaks, have slow descents and keep selling for a while, airplay will catch up and reach a similar peak or surpass it, but it's hard to say if high sales directly influence what radio programmers and the corporate heads choose to add to playlists. Of course, sometimes the components don't affect each other at all and act as independent strains, like you might have this huge streaming hit driven by a hot video but get zilch in sales or airplay, or vice versa.

[forg]

Sept 6, 2016 19:45:49 GMT -5 felipe said:

Sept 6, 2016 10:47:55 GMT -5 forg said:

Well Radio still exposes a song to a larger audience and I feel that sometimes subconsciously they influence what a casual listener would like

So would you guys go as far as saying radio is the most important component, since it's the one most likely to affect the other two (despite the exceptions)?

Important? Yes but not the most important, I still give edge to both sales and streaming since there's voluntary act from the public to consume the music

[felipe]

Sept 6, 2016 22:03:52 GMT -5 forg said:

Sept 6, 2016 19:45:49 GMT -5 felipe said:

So would you guys go as far as saying radio is the most important component, since it's the one most likely to affect the other two (despite the exceptions)?

Important? Yes but not the most important, I still give edge to both sales and streaming since there's voluntary act from the public to consume the music

So you disagree with most people here who believe singles should be chosen with radio in mind?

[Bigfatliar 3]

Sept 6, 2016 22:36:07 GMT -5 felipe said:

Sept 6, 2016 22:03:52 GMT -5 forg said:

Important? Yes but not the most important, I still give edge to both sales and streaming since there's voluntary act from the public to consume the music

So you disagree with most people here who believe singles should be chosen with radio in mind?

Radio is important but not that important. Streams and sales still the most relevant to be weighted more in BBH100 formula. 

[jenglisbe]

Radio is the most important in terms of longevity (both on the charts and in public consciousness), but you could argue sales and streaming are each the most important in their own ways. I don't think you can really say one element is the most important in a general sense; it depends what specifically you are talking about.

[forg]

Sept 6, 2016 22:36:07 GMT -5 felipe said:

Sept 6, 2016 22:03:52 GMT -5 forg said:

Important? Yes but not the most important, I still give edge to both sales and streaming since there's voluntary act from the public to consume the music

So you disagree with most people here who believe singles should be chosen with radio in mind?

Nope because choosing a single has marketing (the album, the artist) in mind that and getting radio airplay is part of that. Radio airplay is a way to reach an audience that aren't just your loyal set of fans

[Sambalada]

Make Me is robbed of a higher peak :'(

[lyhom]

Sept 6, 2016 19:59:49 GMT -5 Old-school 72 said:

So maybe the UK chart isn't much better but 8 artists I love are in the Top 40. Calum Scott, Jonas Blue, Martin Garrix, clean bandit, Bastille, Olly Murs, snakeships, and Craig David. None of those songs are anywhere in the US except Martin Garrix.

to be fair jonas blue's "perfect strangers" is currently at #25 on the bubbling under charts and has gotten as high as #12 on the dance/electronic songs chart, snakehips's "cruel" and clean bandit's "tears" have gotten as high as #17 on the dance/electronic chart, and bastille's "good grief" is currently #4 on alternative radio