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Post by onebuffalo on Sept 27, 2016 8:06:31 GMT -5
Let's just credit the song to Artists of Then, Now & Forever. No single artist gets credit. Kind of like We Are The World from 1985.
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Post by George Strait Junkie on Sept 27, 2016 11:13:40 GMT -5
Right or Wrong is awesome a classic Bob Wills tune and George nailed it but hey it's cool if you don't like it Oh, it was just one of very few George Strait songs that was not immediate for me. But I have definitely gotten over my tepid initial feelings and grown to enjoy it more through the years :) It's still not one of my favorites, but I don't skip it! I was mostly just making light of the logic that you used for not counting "Give It All We Got Tonight" as his 60th #1. Like, I know there are lots of people who will not count any of his non-Billboard #1s, because Billboard is sorta the be-all-end-all in the chart world or something. So it would make sense for them to disregard GIAWGT and several of his other #1s and say they were not actually #1s. But to just choose not to count GIAWGT because you don't like it is something new altogether! Of course you were probably joking, but I just thought it was funny logic :) yeah pretty much lol but i still don't like that song
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Post by onebuffalo on Sept 27, 2016 16:04:42 GMT -5
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Post by Ten Pound Hammer on Sept 27, 2016 23:10:47 GMT -5
I was mostly just making light of the logic that you used for not counting "Give It All We Got Tonight" as his 60th #1. Like, I know there are lots of people who will not count any of his non-Billboard #1s, because Billboard is sorta the be-all-end-all in the chart world or something. So it would make sense for them to disregard GIAWGT and several of his other #1s and say they were not actually #1s. But to just choose not to count GIAWGT because you don't like it is something new altogether! Of course you were probably joking, but I just thought it was funny logic :) And no one ever counts "Meanwhile", which is his only single to reach #1 on the RPM charts without hitting #1 on any American chart. So technically he has 61. I honestly don't remember ever hearing "Meanwhile" on the radio either... and yet I freaking remember a bunch of lower charting songs from that era, like "Take Me" by Lari White and "Every Little Whisper" by Steve Wariner...
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Post by matteeeb on Sept 28, 2016 0:03:18 GMT -5
Very powerful song snd video, I enjoyed watching it and listening to it
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Post by stanches2318 on Sept 28, 2016 1:17:06 GMT -5
For me personally I only count radio charts in my head. I honestly don't like the whole iTunes Charts being counted as official charts.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Sept 28, 2016 7:40:47 GMT -5
I honestly don't like the whole iTunes Charts being counted as official charts. They aren't though.
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Post by myeverything on Sept 28, 2016 9:47:56 GMT -5
Good question about it being a #1 single for everyone involved or not. Guess let it get there first before the debate gets started.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2016 9:49:17 GMT -5
Good question about it being a #1 single for everyone involved or not. Guess let it get there first before the debate gets started.Β It is #1 on the Mongrel Chart so it has hit #1.
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Post by myeverything on Sept 28, 2016 9:51:50 GMT -5
Good question about it being a #1 single for everyone involved or not. Guess let it get there first before the debate gets started. It is #1 on the Mongrel Chart so it has hit #1. You just want to debate, like usual Thought that's the chart that 95% of you don't "count" anyways.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2016 9:53:25 GMT -5
It is #1 on the Mongrel Chart so it has hit #1. You just want to debate, like usualΒ Β Β Thought that's the chart that 95% of you don't "count" anyways. It's still an official chart that is publicized so at the very least the industry counts it.
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Post by The Brazilian Guy π§π· on Sept 28, 2016 10:40:21 GMT -5
Showed the video to my mom yesterday and she cried watching it! Bless her LOL She doesn't even know most of the people featured on it but she loves Dolly and Jon Denver, so the songs did the magic for her...
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Post by stanches2318 on Sept 28, 2016 11:24:32 GMT -5
You just want to debate, like usualΒ Β Β Thought that's the chart that 95% of you don't "count" anyways. It's still an official chart that is publicized so at the very least the industry counts it. you can't tell me that a new song gets downloaded like crazy and within hours is number 1 and then one week later is number 1 on billboard. that is crazy. in my opinion the radio charts are the only charts that should count no matter what ITunes does. it doesn't matter which artist you are, if your song doesn't get played on radio enough to make number 1 you shouldn't be number 1 until it does. ITunes should only be a place to pay to get songs and not have any charts that mean anything in the music business, but a ranking of most popular songs and that's it. :) :)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2016 11:35:03 GMT -5
It's still an official chart that is publicized so at the very least the industry counts it. you can't tell me that a new song gets downloaded like crazy and within hours is number 1 and then one week later is number 1 on billboard. that is crazy. in my opinion the radio charts are the only charts that should count no matter what ITunes does. it doesn't matter which artist you are, if your song doesn't get played on radio enough to make number 1 you shouldn't be number 1 until it does. ITunes should only be a place to pay to get songs and not have any charts that mean anything in the music business, but a ranking of most popular songs and that's it. :) :) Then take that up with Billboard. The fact is, it's a chart that labels take seriously and it represents what is the most popular song of the week which this song is still as the song is still on the top 10 on iTunes all genre. It's flawed as a whole but the labels still will boast about.
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Post by Kat5Kind on Sept 28, 2016 11:42:37 GMT -5
It's still an official chart that is publicized so at the very least the industry counts it. you can't tell me that a new song gets downloaded like crazy and within hours is number 1 and then one week later is number 1 on billboard. that is crazy. in my opinion the radio charts are the only charts that should count no matter what ITunes does. it doesn't matter whickh artist you are, if your song doesn't get played on radio enough to make number 1 you shouldn't be number 1 until it does. ITunes should only be a place to pay to get songs and not have any charts that mean anything in the music business, but a ranking of most popular songs and that's it. :) :) You do realize that times are finally changing a bit and streaming and iTunes are more accurate judges of which songs are popular? Radio is so easily paid off
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2016 11:44:27 GMT -5
On one hand, I do think it is ridiculous that a song can be released and shoot to #1 in the course of a week.
But on the other hand, if a song sells itself 1/5 of the way to a gold certification in a matter of days, as well as an additional 5 MILLION streams in the same timeframe, it kind of seems justified.
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Post by kanimal on Sept 28, 2016 11:49:35 GMT -5
This feels like the wrong week to criticize the Hot Country Songs chart.
There is no way you can claim "You Look Like I Need A Drink" was "hotter" than "Forever Country" last week.
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Post by The Brazilian Guy π§π· on Sept 28, 2016 12:11:47 GMT -5
The idea of compiling radio data for singles charts is something very "American" actually. Most official charts in Europe (the UK charts being the biggest and most influential one) was for the longest time based only on sales (first physical, which was very popular until about 10 years ago, and now digital). Most recently they started using streaming as well. Their airplay chart is a completely separated thing and their justification was that sales reflected better what their concept of music charts was/is, while radio and airplay lined more as a promotional tool for the business. I think it's an interesting argument.
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Post by stanches2318 on Sept 28, 2016 12:40:41 GMT -5
This feels like the wrong week to criticize the Hot Country Songs chart. There is no way you can claim "You Look Like I Need A Drink" was "hotter" than "Forever Country" last week. i agree with you on that. i guess im not a fan of digital downloads from itunes. "Forever Country" is a better song hands down.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2016 12:54:35 GMT -5
Good question about it being a #1 single for everyone involved or not. Guess let it get there first before the debate gets started. It is #1 on the Mongrel Chart so it has hit #1. This won't count as a #1 for all artists involved. As raylatch98 noted, "Forever Country" is the #1 song this week on Billboard's Hot Country Songs chart (friendly request: can we please stop referring to it as "the mongrel chart"? That nickname was coined back in October 2012 and we've had a lot of newer members since then, many of whom probably don't realize that when some people say "mongrel chart", they're actually talking about the HCS chart). Billboard credits it to Artists of Then, Now & Forever. That's the way the CMA set it up as well. I doubt this will come anywhere near #1 on the airplay chart, anyway. But I think it's pretty cool that it went #1 on Hot Country Songs. I personally don't view that chart as "better" than the airplay chart, but I don't necessarily view the airplay charts as better, either, given how prone to manipulation they are. I just view them as 3 separate charts: you have Mediabase airplay, Billboard airplay, and Billboard Hot Country Songs (airplay + sales + streaming). For historical purposes, I like the Billboard airplay chart the best, but the industry will take a #1 on any of the charts.
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Post by onebuffalo on Sept 28, 2016 17:30:00 GMT -5
Debuts at #45 in Canada.
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Post by g8erboi on Sept 28, 2016 17:45:13 GMT -5
I feel that this song is more than justified for being a #1. As people said earlier, times have changed and less people listen to the radio now. We are in an age where outlets like Pandora, Spotify, Apple Music, YouTube, etc. are becoming the dominant form for music consumption, and the fact this this song was downloaded almost 100,000 times and streamed 5 million times in a week definitely shows that it is the most popular country song of the week. Isn't that what "number one song" means? "Forever Country" was the most popular song of the week, and therefore deserves to be called a #1 for that week. This is 21st century in case some of you forgot.
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Post by someguy on Oct 2, 2016 2:50:34 GMT -5
I hope that this starts to stabilize at radio. I'd love to see this become a significant airplay hit.
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Post by sabre14 on Oct 2, 2016 11:27:05 GMT -5
I hope that this starts to stabilize at radio. I'd love to see this become a significant airplay hit. Program Directors were quoted in Billboard saying how the interest in this would fade quickly and a VP of programming said "short-term radio hit, long-term anthem." I don't think this will go too much higher (top 30 at most); it's already having a difficult time reaching Mediabase's top 40.
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Post by onebuffalo on Oct 2, 2016 14:37:26 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2016 15:26:15 GMT -5
I hope that this starts to stabilize at radio. I'd love to see this become a significant airplay hit. Program Directors were quoted in Billboard saying how the interest in this would fade quickly and a VP of programming said "short-term radio hit, long-term anthem." I don't think this will go too much higher (top 30 at most); it's already having a difficult time reaching Mediabase's top 40. The interest in 3 timeless megahits as sung by multiple artists who have spanned numerous decades of success will fade quickly? Another fine display of ineptitude from the brilliant PDs who seem to have a better knack for predicting the future than reacting to the past...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2016 15:34:37 GMT -5
Program Directors were quoted in Billboard saying how the interest in this would fade quickly and a VP of programming said "short-term radio hit, long-term anthem." I don't think this will go too much higher (top 30 at most); it's already having a difficult time reaching Mediabase's top 40. The interest in 3 timeless megahits as sung by multiple artists who have spanned numerous decades of success will fade quickly? Another fine display of ineptitude from the brilliant PDs who seem to have a better knack for predicting the future than reacting to the past... I don't think this song is getting a full push to radio, if it was than I can understand the frustration but I don't think this is getting a full push to radio. I understand the frustration but I imagine the CMAs knew this when releasing this song.
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Post by bksouthga on Oct 2, 2016 21:59:09 GMT -5
The interest in 3 timeless megahits as sung by multiple artists who have spanned numerous decades of success will fade quickly? Another fine display of ineptitude from the brilliant PDs who seem to have a better knack for predicting the future than reacting to the past... I don't think that the prediction of a quick fade is inept or far-fetched. It seems like a lot of times with these "event" type songs, there's a lot of early interest because people want to hear it and be a part of that event. But then, you kind of think, "I'm glad I heard that. And I don't really have to hear it again right now." Also, I think we shouldn't underestimate the ability of the listening public to detect "manufacturedness", which is something of the gist I got out ot the review from SCM. Something like, this is great and all, but maybe is lacking somewhat in the authenticity department. Kind of like the promo photo.
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Post by trustypepper on Oct 10, 2016 9:40:00 GMT -5
Are there any updates on this one's radio performance? Does this have any chance of becoming a big hit at radio?
I think this whole idea was fantastic and I absolutely love the finished product.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2016 9:43:21 GMT -5
Are there any updates on this one's radio performance? Does this have any chance of becoming a big hit at radio? I think this whole idea was fantastic and I absolutely love the finished product. This was and is never gonna be a radio hit! The song is basically a promo single for the CMA Awards and I expect that soon after the CMA Awards are done, this song will leave soon after.
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