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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Mar 2, 2017 12:04:50 GMT -5
Ok people. Stop misusing what yearend charts represent. Your continued ignorance of it is frustrating. Learn or stop.
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Post by Harx on Mar 2, 2017 12:40:13 GMT -5
How the subject of year end lists because controversial here is beyond me
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Post by Az Paynter on Mar 2, 2017 13:09:14 GMT -5
How the subject of year end lists because controversial here is beyond me It's because some people try to use YE charts as a barometer for what is or isn't a hit (to suit whatever narrative they want to spin). The problem is that YE lists lack context in regards to what was actually happening from week-to-week on any given song. That's why there's contention over whether songs like 'Piece By Piece' or 'Gimme More' or 'Stupid Girls' (or any other songs being thrown around in this discussion) are hits or not. Sometimes things are only big for a short time, and don't have the shelf-life to do well on a YE list, but that doesn't make them any less of a hit. The degree to which X, Y or Z is a hit is a separate matter - this is where context is important, and YE lists can't provide that. |
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Post by kcdawg13 on Mar 2, 2017 13:32:53 GMT -5
To those people who do predictions and work with the chart formula - can someone please calculate what position I Don't Wanna Live Forever would be in if it didn't have Spotify? :) Radio, YouTube, and the Fifty Shades movie/soundtrack would of gotten it to #2 without Spotify. |
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Post by jenglisbe on Mar 2, 2017 13:48:54 GMT -5
How the subject of year end lists because controversial here is beyond me It's because some people try to use YE charts as a barometer for what is or isn't a hit (to suit whatever narrative they want to spin). The problem is that YE lists lack context in regards to what was actually happening from week-to-week on any given song. That's why there's contention over whether songs like 'Piece By Piece' or 'Gimme More' or 'Stupid Girls' (or any other songs being thrown around in this discussion) are hits or not. Sometimes things are only big for a short time, and don't have the shelf-life to do well on a YE list, but that doesn't make them any less of a hit. The degree to which X, Y or Z is a hit is a separate matter - this is where context is important, and YE lists can't provide that. I'd say YE positions are a better barometer than peak position. YE positions at least take longevity into account. There are plenty of songs that have a high peak but didn't feel like hits, and then there are songs with low peaks that hung around awhile and had real impact. At the end of the day, though, charts in and of themselves - weekly, yearly, even decade - aren't perfect measures. I think we all recognize that, so the issue is more than it seems like everything here has to become a dang argument. Few if any people here are morons. We all know the charts are just something fun to watch but aren't perfect. We also all know we're just stating opinions here, not fact. Why people keep feeling a need to act like we don't all know that, I am unsure. |
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Post by Old-school 72 on Mar 2, 2017 14:16:38 GMT -5
How the subject of year end lists because controversial here is beyond me It's because some people try to use YE charts as a barometer for what is or isn't a hit (to suit whatever narrative they want to spin). The problem is that YE lists lack context in regards to what was actually happening from week-to-week on any given song. That's why there's contention over whether songs like 'Piece By Piece' or 'Gimme More' or 'Stupid Girls' (or any other songs being thrown around in this discussion) are hits or not. Sometimes things are only big for a short time, and don't have the shelf-life to do well on a YE list, but that doesn't make them any less of a hit. The degree to which X, Y or Z is a hit is a separate matter - this is where context is important, and YE lists can't provide that. There are a large amount of songs that are huge well known classics that never even made the Hot 100. So year end charts just as any weekly charts don't always represent what was huge hit at anytime of any year. Example : Stairway to heaven by Led Zeppelin. I know this is dating me but it's an example. |
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Post by Gary on Mar 2, 2017 14:29:52 GMT -5
and there are some that became classics later that had a low peak initial chart run
There are others that really sound out of place today that were huge hits when released
Definition of "classic" has nothing to do with the initial chart run.
The definition of a "hit" depends on how you want to define it but, on a weekly chart, we should only be talking about what a 'hit' is in a 7 day period.
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Post by Dylan :) on Mar 2, 2017 14:31:13 GMT -5
02 - 717,000 - I DON'T WANNA LIVE FOREVER (FIFTY SHADES DARKER) - Zayn / Taylor Swift Does anyone know how much this sold in December? |
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Post by Old-school 72 on Mar 2, 2017 14:48:45 GMT -5
OK you want a hit song that was huge what about Don't Speak or Iris or other songs not able to chart in the 90s because of billboard rules. You can't disqualify these songs. So Stupid girls only got to 13. I would say that was a big hit. Even her period hit Try made the Hot 100. Many songs released don't so what makes someone a flop? Not every song can go top ten or number one .
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Mar 2, 2017 14:56:18 GMT -5
It's because some people try to use YE charts as a barometer for what is or isn't a hit (to suit whatever narrative they want to spin). The problem is that YE lists lack context in regards to what was actually happening from week-to-week on any given song. That's why there's contention over whether songs like 'Piece By Piece' or 'Gimme More' or 'Stupid Girls' (or any other songs being thrown around in this discussion) are hits or not. Sometimes things are only big for a short time, and don't have the shelf-life to do well on a YE list, but that doesn't make them any less of a hit. The degree to which X, Y or Z is a hit is a separate matter - this is where context is important, and YE lists can't provide that. I'd say YE positions are a better barometer than peak position. YE positions at least take longevity into account. There are plenty of songs that have a high peak but didn't feel like hits, and then there are songs with low peaks that hung around awhile and had real impact. A song could have a chart run split between two years and make neither yearend chart. Another song could have the exact same chart run in the middle of one year, same stats all around and make #45 for the year. This situation is why YE aren't usually a great reference. Now if we had a rolling YE chart... |
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Post by Glove Slap on Mar 2, 2017 15:04:37 GMT -5
OK you want a hit song that was huge what about Don't Speak or Iris or other songs not able to chart in the 90s because of billboard rules. You can't disqualify these songs. So Stupid girls only got to 13. I would say that was a big hit. Even her period hit Try made the Hot 100. Many songs released don't so what makes someone a flop? Not every song can go top ten or number one . Ok I mean this in the most respectful, non-personal, pc whatever way, but what the fuck are you trying to say? What's the mission statement or thesis for your venture? I'm just very confused as to the intended purpose and direction of whatever you're trying to say, and am asking for a clarification. |
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Post by Old-school 72 on Mar 2, 2017 15:06:42 GMT -5
I would prefer an all time chart. Like a top 1000 .
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Post by jenglisbe on Mar 2, 2017 15:13:18 GMT -5
I'd say YE positions are a better barometer than peak position. YE positions at least take longevity into account. There are plenty of songs that have a high peak but didn't feel like hits, and then there are songs with low peaks that hung around awhile and had real impact. A song could have a chart run split between two years and make neither yearend chart. Another song could have the exact same chart run in the middle of one year, same stats all around and make #45 for the year. This situation is why YE aren't usually a great reference. Now if we had a rolling YE chart... And a song like "Before He Cheats" could have its format peaks, sales peak, etc spread out and actually end up higher on the year-end chart than it ever was on a weekly Hot 100. |
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Post by Old-school 72 on Mar 2, 2017 15:17:53 GMT -5
OK you want a hit song that was huge what about Don't Speak or Iris or other songs not able to chart in the 90s because of billboard rules. You can't disqualify these songs. So Stupid girls only got to 13. I would say that was a big hit. Even her period hit Try made the Hot 100. Many songs released don't so what makes someone a flop? Not every song can go top ten or number one . Ok I mean this in the most respectful, non-personal, pc whatever way, but what the f**k are you trying to say? What's the mission statement or thesis for your venture? I'm just very confused as to the intended purpose and direction of whatever you're trying to say, and am asking for a clarification. the clarification is the original post was how Pinks stupid girls was a flop yet made the year end charts. How is that a flop? Nobody clarified that. So basically if a song doesn't make the year end or weekly chart it must be a flop. This is why I brought up other songs that were big hits. That's my clarification. Comprende |
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Post by kcdawg13 on Mar 2, 2017 15:34:42 GMT -5
Lorde is back everyone!
She just dropped her new single "Green Light" along with a music video.
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Post by Au$tin on Mar 2, 2017 17:34:46 GMT -5
A song could have a chart run split between two years and make neither yearend chart. Another song could have the exact same chart run in the middle of one year, same stats all around and make #45 for the year. This situation is why YE aren't usually a great reference. Now if we had a rolling YE chart... And a song like "Before He Cheats" could have its format peaks, sales peak, etc spread out and actually end up higher on the year-end chart than it ever was on a weekly Hot 100. Which just further proves the point that looking at strictly one number, whether is be the year end list or the weekly peak, means nothing in the grand scheme of a song's run. |
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Post by Soulsista on Mar 2, 2017 20:18:14 GMT -5
Posting this now since I may not get a chance to this weekend.
Billboard Top 10 from 55, 50, 45, and 40 years ago:
March 17, 1962
01 01 Hey! Baby - Bruce Channel (2nd of 3 weeks at #1)
02 03 Midnight In Moscow - Kenny Ball & His Jazzmen
03 04 Don't Break The Heart That Loves You - Connie Francis
04 05 Let Me In - The Sensations
05 02 Duke Of Earl - Gene Chandler
06 08 Her Royal Majesty - James Darren
07 10 What's Your Name - Don & Juan
08 06 Crying In The Rain - The Everly Brothers
09 07 Break It To Me Gently - Brenda Lee
10 12 Percolator (Twist) - Billy Joe & The Checkmates
March 18, 1967
01 05 Penny Lane - The Beatles (1st and only week at #1)
02 08 Happy Together - The Turtles
03 03 Baby I Need Your Lovin' - Johnny Rivers
04 01 Love Is Here And Now You're Gone - The Supremes
05 02 Ruby Tuesday - The Rolling Stones
06 10 Dedicated To The One I Love - The Mamas & The Papas
07 07 Sock It To Me Baby - Mitch Ryder & The Detroit Wheels
08 12 There's a Kind Of Hush - Herman's Hermits
09 09 My Cup Runneth Over - Ed Ames
10 06 Then You Can Tell Me Goodbye - The Casinos
March 18, 1972
01 02 Heart Of Gold - Neil Young (1st and only week at #1)
02 07 A Horse With No Name - America
03 03 The Lion Sleeps Tonight (Wimoweh) - Robert John
04 01 Without You - Nilsson
05 05 Everything I Own - Bread
06 12 Mother And Child Reunion - Paul Simon
07 06 Precious And Few - Climax
08 09 The Way Of Love - Cher
09 11 Puppy Love - Donny Osmond
10 04 Down By The Lazy River - The Osmonds
March 19, 1977
01 01 Love Theme From A Star Is Born (Evergreen) - Barbra Streisand (3rd and final week at #1)
02 02 Fly Like An Eagle - The Steve Miller Band
03 09 Rich Girl - Daryl Hall & John Oates
04 04 Night Moves - Bob Seger
05 06 Dancing Queen - ABBA
06 03 I Like Dreamin' - Kenny Nolan
07 07 Torn Between Two Lovers - Mary MacGregor
08 17 Don't Give Up On Us - David Soul
09 11 Don't Leave Me This Way - Thelma Houston
10 10 Go Your Own Way - Fleetwood Mac
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Post by Soulsista on Mar 2, 2017 20:34:45 GMT -5
Billboard Top 10 from 35, 30, 25, and 20 years ago:
March 20, 1982
01 03 I Love Rock & Roll - Joan Jett & The Blackhearts (1st of 7 weeks at #1)
02 02 Open Arms - Journey
03 01 Centerfold - The J. Geils Band
04 05 That Girl - Stevie Wonder
05 06 Sweet Dreams - Air Supply
06 07 We Got The Beat - The Go-Go's
07 17 Make a Move On Me - Olivia Newton-John
08 08 Mirror, Mirror - Diana Ross
09 04 Shake It Up - The Cars
10 12 Pac-Man Fever - Buckner & Garcia
March 21, 1987
01 05 Lean On Me - Club Nouveau (1st of 2 weeks at #1)
02 03 Let's Wait Awhile - Janet Jackson
03 10 Nothing's Gonna Stop Us Now - Starship
04 06 Mandolin Rain - Bruce Hornsby & The Range
05 02 Somewhere Out There - Linda Ronstadt & James Ingram
06 12 Tonight, Tonight, Tonight - Genesis
07 01 Jacob's Ladder - Huey Lewis & The News
08 07 Respect Yourself - Bruce Willis
09 13 Come Go With Me - Expose
10 08 Big Time - Peter Gabriel
March 21, 1992
01 04 Save The Best For Last - Vanessa Williams (1st of 5 weeks at #1)
02 01 To Be With You - Mr. Big
03 05 Tears In Heaven - Eric Clapton
04 03 Remember The Time - Michael Jackson
05 02 I'm Too Sexy - Right Said Fred
06 07 Masterpiece - Atlantic Starr
07 06 I Love Your Smile - Shanice
08 10 Good For Me - Amt Grant
09 11 I Can't Dance - Genesis
10 14 Breakin' My Heart (Pretty Brown Eyes) - Mint Condition
March 15, 1997
01 01 Wannabe - The Spice Girls (4th and final week at #1)
02 02 Can't Nobody Hold Me Down - Puff Daddy feat. Mase
03 03 Un-Break My Heart - Toni Braxton
04 04 You Were Meant For Me - Jewel
05 06 In My Bed - Dru Hill
06 05 I Believe I Can Fly - R. Kelly
07 08 Every Time I Close My Eyes - Babyface
08 07 Don't Let Go (Love) - En Vogue
09 NE For You I Will - Monica
10 09 Don't Cry For Me Argentina - Madonna
22 NE Step By Step - Whitney Houston
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Post by Soulsista on Mar 2, 2017 20:51:59 GMT -5
Billboard Top 10 Flashback:
March 16, 2002
01 01 I'm Real - Jennifer Lopez feat. Ja Rule (2nd of 6 weeks at #1)
02 02 Always On Time - Ja Rule feat. Ashanti
03 03 How You Remind Me - Nickelback
04 04 In The End - Linkin Park
05 06 Wherever You Will Go - The Calling
06 05 Hey Baby - No Doubt feat. Bounty Killer
07 08 What About Us? - Brandy
08 10 Blurry - Puddle Of Mudd
09 07 U Got It Bad - Usher
10 12 Can't Get You Out Of My Head - Kylie Minogue
March 17, 2007
01 01 This Is Why I'm Hot - Mims (2nd week at #1)
02 02 Don't Matter - Akon
03 04 The Sweet Escape - Gwen Stefani feat. Akon
04 03 What Goes Around... - Justin Timberlake
05 NE Girlfriend - Avril Lavigne
06 08 This Ain't a Scene, It's An Arms Race - Fall Out Boy
07 05 Cupid's Chokehold - The Gym Class Heroes feat. Patrick Stump
08 55 Glamorous - Fergie feat. Ludacris
09 10 Break It Off - Rihanna feat. Sean Paul
10 06 Say It Right - Nelly Furtado
March 17, 2012
01 03 We Are Young - fun. feat. Janelle Monae (1st of 6 weeks at #1)
02 01 Stronger (What Doesn't Kill You) - Kelly Clarkson
03 02 Set Fire To The Rain - Adele
04 05 Glad You Came - The Wanted
05 04 Part Of Me - Katy Perry
06 10 Starships - Nicki Minaj
07 09 Young, Wild & Free - Snoop Dogg & Wiz Khalifa feat. Bruno Mars
08 08 Turn Me On - David Guetta feat. Nicki Minaj
09 16 Somebody That I Used To Know - Gotye feat. Kimbra
10 06 We Found Love - Rihanna feat. Calvin Harris
21 NE Live My Life - Far*East Movement feat. Justin Bieber
March 19, 2016
01 01 Work - Rihanna feat. Drake (3rd of 9 weeks at #1)
02 02 Love Yourself - Justin Bieber
03 03 Stressed Out - Twenty One Pilots
04 05 My House - Flo Rida
05 04 Sorry - Justin Bieber
06 06 Pillowtalk - Zayn
07 07 Me, Myself & I - G-Eazy & Bebe Rexha
08 NE Piece By Piece - Kelly Clarkson
09 12 7 Years - Lukas Graham
10 09 Cake By The Ocean - DNCE
12 NE Work From Home - Fifth Harmony feat. Ty Dolla $ign
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Post by Choco on Mar 3, 2017 8:27:33 GMT -5
Rihanna had songs in the top 10, a year ago, 5 years ago and 10 years ago.  (and LOTB is currently top 10 as well). |
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Post by truemusicreviews on Mar 3, 2017 23:07:02 GMT -5
Will "Green Light" be debuting on the 3/18/17 chart? It came out on Thursday, so it's technically eligble. I'm just curious to know where it will be debuting.
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Post by kcdawg13 on Mar 4, 2017 7:50:45 GMT -5
Will "Green Light" be debuting on the 3/18/17 chart? It came out on Thursday, so it's technically eligble. I'm just curious to know where it will be debuting. It'll probably debut somewhere in the 40's like Starboy on March 18th, and will jump into the Top 10 the following week. |
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Post by Choco on Mar 4, 2017 8:11:15 GMT -5
Probably between #85 and #100. It had sizable airplay and sales. Will probably jump into top 10 next week.
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Post by Harx on Mar 4, 2017 8:15:48 GMT -5
Probably between #85 and #100. It had sizable airplay and sales. Will probably jump into top 10 next week. So happy it didn't flop right away. The question is, whether it will be able to stay in top 10. |
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Post by mrchartknowitall on Mar 4, 2017 11:03:08 GMT -5
Do you guys think Katy's CTTR will remain in the top 10???
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Mar 4, 2017 11:13:41 GMT -5
From ATRL:
Updated predictions
1 Shape Of You 609 (=)
2 Bad And Boujee 376 (=)
3 I Don't Wanna Live Forever 302 (=)
4 That's What I Like 275 (=)
5 Something Just Like This 241 (+51)
6 Love On The Brain 240 (+1)
7 Paris 240 (-1)
8 Closer 225 (-3)
9 I Feel It Coming 217 (+2)
10 Bounce Back 211 (-1)
11 Chained To The Rhythm 210 (-3)
12 Can't Stop The Feeling 192 (+17)
13 iSpy 190 (+7)
14 Bad Things 188 (-4)
15 24k Magic 185 (=)
16 Tunnel Vision 182 (+11)
17 Down 182 (+8)
18 Fake Love 180 (-5)
19 Mercy 180 (-1)
20 Body Like A Back Road 179 (+2)
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Mar 4, 2017 11:15:35 GMT -5
atrl.net/forums/topic/125-us-airplay-discussion/?page=35Mediabase/US Airplay — Update 04/03 1. ED SHEERAN - Shape Of You: 209.728 2. ZAYN/TAYLOR SWIFT - I Don't Wanna Live Forever: 154.019 3. RIHANNA - Love On The Brain: 147.314 4. THE WEEKND - I Feel It Coming f/Daft Punk: 122.751 5. MAROON 5 - Don't Wanna Know f/K. Lamar: 116.110 6. DRAKE - Fake Love: 104.120 7. MGK X CAMILA CABELLO - Bad Things: 97.804 8. THE CHAINSMOKERS - Closer f/Halsey: 98.017 9. SHAWN MENDES - Mercy: 95.881 10. THE CHAINSMOKERS - Paris: 91.994 11. MIGOS - Bad And Boujee f/Lil Uzi Vert: 85.910 12. BRUNO MARS - That's What I Like: 85.787 13. BIG SEAN - Bounce Back: 84.429 14. ADELE - Water Under The Bridge: 84.197 15. KATY PERRY - Chained To The Rhythm: 80.941 (+ 0.485) 16. DJ SNAKE - Let Me Love You f/J. Bieber: 75.738 17. BRUNO MARS - 24K Magic: 73.590 18. ARIANA GRANDE - Side To Side f/Nicki Minaj: 71.472 19. CHRIS YOUNG - Sober Saturday Night f/V. Gill: 67.594 20. THE WEEKND - Starboy f/Daft Punk: 65.104 Others: CLEAN BANDIT & ANNE-MARIE - Rockabye f/Sean Paul: 63.197 MAROON 5 - Cold f/Future: 57.948 LADY GAGA - Million Reasons: 40.750 (+ 1.934) DJ KHALED - Shining f/Beyonce & Jay Z: 38.438 JULIA MICHAELS - Issues: 35.133 ARIANA GRANDE - Everyday f/Future: 34.228 KYGO X SELENA GOMEZ - It Ain't Me: 33.183 (+ 0.788) LORDE - Green Light: 29.218 (+ 16.540) ZEDD & ALESSIA CARA - Stay: 14.563 LANA DEL REY - Love: 0.202
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Post by Harx on Mar 4, 2017 11:20:15 GMT -5
I'll be very happy to see "Down" in the top 20! But it's a shame that It Ain't Me will probably drop out of it.
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Post by jtd Thee Stallion on Mar 4, 2017 11:30:49 GMT -5
Seems like 5-7 & 8-11 are complete tossups
Also, Tunnel Vision top 20 😳
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Post by truemusicreviews on Mar 4, 2017 11:46:01 GMT -5
Coming from the perspective of a huge Lorde fan, I was unsure whether she could pull of another hit. It looks like she just might do it. Let's go Lorde!
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