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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2017 9:42:57 GMT -5
Still impossible. Even Uptown Funk fell short with 60~ weeks without the rule. Didn't uptown funk fall at 53 due to the rule? It was 56 |
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Post by Sambalada on May 9, 2017 9:43:42 GMT -5
Still impossible. Even Uptown Funk fell short with 60~ weeks without the rule. Didn't uptown funk fall at 53 due to the rule? Without the rule, it would've spent 68 weeks on the Hot 100, dropped out on the Beyoncé/Prince week |
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2017 9:45:14 GMT -5
Didn't uptown funk fall at 53 due to the rule? Without the rule, it would've spent 68 weeks on the Hot 100, dropped out on the Beyoncé/Prince week Where do you get that information? Also, I wonder if billboard considers that when making decade-ends lists. Because if not, PRA has an unfair advantage over UF |
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Post by Sambalada on May 9, 2017 9:48:05 GMT -5
Without the rule, it would've spent 68 weeks on the Hot 100, dropped out on the Beyoncé/Prince week Where do you get that information? Also, I wonder if billboard considers that when making decade-ends lists. Because if not, PRA has an unfair advantage over UF On the recurrent chart, every song that went recurrent after the Grammy week (UF's 56th week) charted behind Uptown Funk, so that's an indication that it would've still charted in the top 50 had the rule not been implemented. Uptown Funk topped the recurrent chart for... 19 weeks? idk idremember |
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2017 9:55:20 GMT -5
Where do you get that information? Also, I wonder if billboard considers that when making decade-ends lists. Because if not, PRA has an unfair advantage over UF On the recurrent chart, every song that went recurrent after the Grammy week (UF's 56th week) charted behind Uptown Funk, so that's an indication that it would've still charted in the top 50 had the rule not been implemented. Uptown Funk topped the recurrent chart for... 19 weeks? idk idremember Interesting. BB should just release what the chart would look like without any strange rules. Isn't the point of the chart to gauge the most popular songs? Why does turnover matter? Why not just introduce a decay onto the top song after it has been number one for too long if they care so much about turnover? |
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2017 9:56:15 GMT -5
Happy for new number 1
Also noticed DJ Khaled got his first number 1 past 40. That's not very common but he is third act to do this since last year (after Sia and Daft Punk)
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2017 9:59:20 GMT -5
Happy for new number 1 Also noticed DJ Khaled got his first number 1 past 40. That's not very common but he is third act to do this since last year (after Sia and Daft Punk) What? He's had a TON of top 40s. Most notable one I can remember off he top of my head is for free. |
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Post by renfield75 on May 9, 2017 9:59:40 GMT -5
Impressive that "Goosebumps" makes the top 40 in its 25th week. The song fell off the Hot 100 FIVE TIMES and kept re-entering, even after going recurrent, so it's impressive to see it sitting at #32 this week!
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Post by Sambalada on May 9, 2017 10:00:01 GMT -5
Happy for new number 1 Also noticed DJ Khaled got his first number 1 past 40. That's not very common but he is third act to do this since last year (after Sia and Daft Punk) What? He's had a TON of top 40s. Most notable one I can remember off he top of my head is for free. They were talking about his age. |
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Post by renfield75 on May 9, 2017 10:00:21 GMT -5
Happy for new number 1 Also noticed DJ Khaled got his first number 1 past 40. That's not very common but he is third act to do this since last year (after Sia and Daft Punk) What? He's had a TON of top 40s. Most notable one I can remember off he top of my head is for free. They meant past the age of 40. |
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2017 10:01:28 GMT -5
Impressive that "Goosebumps" makes the top 40 in its 25th week. The song fell off the Hot 100 FIVE TIMES and kept re-entering, even after going recurrent, so it's impressive to see it sitting at #32 this week! That is quite impressive. I was rooting for it to hit top40 for a little while, it would have sooner if not for Kendrick. Now I'm just waiting on Both. That song has had more than one week at #41 |
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Post by Harx on May 9, 2017 10:07:33 GMT -5
I hope that Kendrick mania will help Goosebumps make the year end Hot 100 :)
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Post by Gary on May 9, 2017 11:48:00 GMT -5
On the recurrent chart, every song that went recurrent after the Grammy week (UF's 56th week) charted behind Uptown Funk, so that's an indication that it would've still charted in the top 50 had the rule not been implemented. Uptown Funk topped the recurrent chart for... 19 weeks? idk idremember Interesting. BB should just release what the chart would look like without any strange rules. Isn't the point of the chart to gauge the most popular songs? Why does turnover matter? Why not just introduce a decay onto the top song after it has been number one for too long if they care so much about turnover? The point of the chart is not to gauge the most popular actually. It would be nice for the fans but this is not a fan chart, this is an industry chart, first and foremost. The magazine welcomes fan interest but that has always been secondary priority to giving the industry whatever chart it needs. |
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Post by allow that on May 9, 2017 11:59:42 GMT -5
Impressive that "Goosebumps" makes the top 40 in its 25th week. The song fell off the Hot 100 FIVE TIMES and kept re-entering, even after going recurrent, so it's impressive to see it sitting at #32 this week! Still sad to see this future rap CLASSIC at #32 when "XO Tour Lif3" is sitting pretty in the top 10. |
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on May 9, 2017 12:31:05 GMT -5
I hope that Kendrick mania will help Goosebumps make the year end Hot 100 :) Then we'll know it's a hit.  |
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Post by Enigma. on May 9, 2017 12:36:51 GMT -5
I love Goosebumps, amazing song. The whole album is pretty solid too.
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Post by Gary on May 9, 2017 12:45:55 GMT -5
I hope that Kendrick mania will help Goosebumps make the year end Hot 100 :) Then we'll know it's a hit.  Doesn't it have to reach a certain spot on the year end chart to be considered a "hit" or am I confusing that with "one hit wonder"? ----never mind ;) |
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Post by Harx on May 9, 2017 13:04:42 GMT -5
I hope that Kendrick mania will help Goosebumps make the year end Hot 100 :) Then we'll know it's a hit. Christ not this again |
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2017 13:30:18 GMT -5
Am I the only one who doesnt like Goosebumps?
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Post by Sherane Lamar on May 9, 2017 14:17:15 GMT -5
Why not just introduce a decay onto the top song after it has been number one for too long I mean, that would be even stupider. But I do hate the recurrent rules. |
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Post by Sherane Lamar on May 9, 2017 14:26:00 GMT -5
Interesting. BB should just release what the chart would look like without any strange rules. Isn't the point of the chart to gauge the most popular songs? Why does turnover matter? Why not just introduce a decay onto the top song after it has been number one for too long if they care so much about turnover? The point of the chart is not to gauge the most popular actually. It would be nice for the fans but this is not a fan chart, this is an industry chart, first and foremost. The magazine welcomes fan interest but that has always been secondary priority to giving the industry whatever chart it needs. I see this argument a lot, but I kind of disagree with it. What industry? Who exactly uses this chart to make business decisions? Who would need to know that a random Kendrick Lamar album cut is getting more listens on Spotify than a Tim McGraw song is getting on Country radio? Seems like the only reason there could be for comparing two songs like that is for curiosity's sake. Can't imagine a person that it could help practically. And whoever this random industry person is, who is comparing Kendrick Lamar album cuts to Country radio hits, why would it hurt them to see Uptown Funk on the charts for 120 weeks in a row? |
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Post by Gary on May 9, 2017 14:35:49 GMT -5
The point of the chart is not to gauge the most popular actually. It would be nice for the fans but this is not a fan chart, this is an industry chart, first and foremost. The magazine welcomes fan interest but that has always been secondary priority to giving the industry whatever chart it needs. I see this argument a lot, but I kind of disagree with it. What industry? Who exactly uses this chart to make business decisions? Who would need to know that a random Kendrick Lamar album cut is getting more listens on Spotify than a Tim McGraw song is getting on Country radio? Seems like the only reason there could be for comparing two songs like that is for curiosity's sake. Can't imagine a person that it could help practically. And whoever this random industry person is, who is comparing Kendrick Lamar album cuts to Country radio hits, why would it hurt them to see Uptown Funk on the charts for 120 weeks in a row? The weird rules are with the Hot 100, no rules with Spotify charts. If the bottom half of the chart gets clogged with the Uptown Funk - type hits that could other wise chart for years at a time (as opposed to weeks) that leaves less space on the charts for labels and music executives to get exposure for new material that they choose to roll out. Less exposure for new material then means less money. As this is the Hot 100 and not the Hot 500, space is limited to just 100 songs. |
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2017 14:53:37 GMT -5
I see this argument a lot, but I kind of disagree with it. What industry? Who exactly uses this chart to make business decisions? Who would need to know that a random Kendrick Lamar album cut is getting more listens on Spotify than a Tim McGraw song is getting on Country radio? Seems like the only reason there could be for comparing two songs like that is for curiosity's sake. Can't imagine a person that it could help practically. And whoever this random industry person is, who is comparing Kendrick Lamar album cuts to Country radio hits, why would it hurt them to see Uptown Funk on the charts for 120 weeks in a row? The weird rules are with the Hot 100, no rules with Spotify charts. If the bottom half of the chart gets clogged with the Uptown Funk - type hits that could other wise chart for years at a time (as opposed to weeks) that leaves less space on the charts for labels and music executives to get exposure for new material that they choose to roll out. Less exposure for new material then means less money. As this is the Hot 100 and not the Hot 500, space is limited to just 100 songs. Bubbling exists and they could always just release the top gazillion. |
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2017 14:54:25 GMT -5
Then we'll know it's a hit. Christ not this again If both makes the year end list but doesn't hit top40 is hit a hit???? |
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Post by Gary on May 9, 2017 14:56:20 GMT -5
The weird rules are with the Hot 100, no rules with Spotify charts. If the bottom half of the chart gets clogged with the Uptown Funk - type hits that could other wise chart for years at a time (as opposed to weeks) that leaves less space on the charts for labels and music executives to get exposure for new material that they choose to roll out. Less exposure for new material then means less money. As this is the Hot 100 and not the Hot 500, space is limited to just 100 songs. Bubbling exists and they could always just release the top gazillion. The Hot 100 is 'flagship' chart of the magazine and the one everyone reads. Currently you need a subscription to see Bubbling Under. They could make that one free but it is still not the one everyone reads. |
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Post by Au$tin on May 9, 2017 14:56:56 GMT -5
What industry? Who exactly uses this chart to make business decisions? Uh... quite a lot of people. It shows the trends of what's popular in music which in turn helps to dictate future singles and projects. |
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2017 14:59:18 GMT -5
Bubbling exists and they could always just release the top gazillion. The Hot 100 is 'flagship' chart of the magazine and the one everyone reads. Currently you need a subscription to see Bubbling Under. They could make that one free but it is still not the one everyone reads. I'm pretty sure "industry" can pay whatever fee it takes to see whatever they would release. Tell me if I'm missing something here, because by what I have gathered, they make songs go recurrent because they only release the top 100. That sounds really stupid. |
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Post by Gary on May 9, 2017 15:02:58 GMT -5
If both makes the year end list but doesn't hit top40 is hit a hit???? If you buy a song and you like it, is it a hit? Yes..to you. If 10 of your friends buy or stream the same song and like it...it becomes a bigger hit than if it was just you that liked it. If 1000 people in your town stream the song and like it, it becomes an even bigger hit. And so forth. All the way to the song being sold more, played more and streamed more than any other song, then it is a #1 hit. All are "hits" just different levels of "hit" {Spoiler}
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Post by Caviar on May 9, 2017 15:03:14 GMT -5
Few people want to see the same songs for years on the Hot 100. Isn't there a recurrent chart to see that info?
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Post by Harx on May 9, 2017 15:05:00 GMT -5
If both makes the year end list but doesn't hit top40 is hit a hit???? There is a thread for this redundant discussion: pulsemusic.proboards.com/thread/165658/counts-hitTo sum that thread up: every person percieves what a hit is differently so there is no winner in this argument and there is no point in constantly bringing it up in every thread because it always lasts long and leads nowhere |
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