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Post by jenglisbe on Dec 11, 2017 16:15:20 GMT -5
Based on its continued run as the most popular holiday tune year in and year out, a top 10 peak for AIWFCIY indeed is deserving. That's one less classic tune that won't require discussion/clarification of why it didn't reach the top 10, or another chart range, despite its classic status. I'm not sure what the trend is, though, for this coming third week on the chart- the gain may not be as large as it's been the last couple of weeks. Streaming, though, is leading the way by far. These are the AIWFCIY stats, per Billboard: Sales: 19-13, 21,000 (+33%) Airplay: 47-42, 27 million (+4%) Streaming: 16-7, 24.2 million (+47%) I would assume all 3 metrics would increase, since she was in the top 10 of Itunes over the weekend and airplay should increase as we move closer. Really, sales is the one to watch, as sales seem lower during the week compared to the weekend. It was top 10 on iTunes and Spotify last weekend, too. It does better on the weekends in general. |
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Post by chartfreak on Dec 11, 2017 16:15:58 GMT -5
Based on its continued run as the most popular holiday tune year in and year out, a top 10 peak for AIWFCIY indeed is deserving. That's one less classic tune that won't require discussion/clarification of why it didn't reach the top 10, or another chart range, despite its classic status. I'm not sure what the trend is, though, for this coming third week on the chart- the gain may not be as large as it's been the last couple of weeks. Streaming, though, is leading the way by far. These are the AIWFCIY stats, per Billboard: Sales: 19-13, 21,000 (+33%) Airplay: 47-42, 27 million (+4%) Streaming: 16-7, 24.2 million (+47%) I don't know that its chart points will rise a ton next chart, but they should maintain or increase slightly. So, it's more about how much "What Lovers Do" and "Bodak Yellow" fall. And how high #12 and #13 move. |
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Post by renfield75 on Dec 11, 2017 16:35:18 GMT -5
I hope AIWFCIY finally makes it. It would be Mariah's first top ten for this decade, and 28th total (not counting "Forever", which reached #9 on the airplay chart in 1996 but never charted on the Hot 100 due to the lack of a commercial single).
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Post by singingrulebritannia on Dec 11, 2017 17:30:15 GMT -5
Why are people so surprised that a song that isn't even top 35 on any streaming service beside YouTube (in addition to seeing next to no points from radio and sales) isn't in the Hot 100 top ten?
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Post by dynamac on Dec 11, 2017 17:39:52 GMT -5
Why are people so surprised that a song that isn't even top 35 on any streaming service beside YouTube (in addition to seeing next to no point from radio and sales) isn't in the Hot 100 top ten? Because of how big of a lead it has on YouTube. |
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Post by singingrulebritannia on Dec 11, 2017 17:57:37 GMT -5
Why are people so surprised that a song that isn't even top 35 on any streaming service beside YouTube (in addition to seeing next to no point from radio and sales) isn't in the Hot 100 top ten? Because of how big of a lead it has on YouTube. is a big lead? Last month there were weeks when the top YouTube song had leads of 4.3 and 5 mil. |
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Post by jenglisbe on Dec 11, 2017 19:29:41 GMT -5
Because of how big of a lead it has on YouTube. is a big lead? Last month there were weeks when the top YouTube song had leads of 4.3 and 5 mil. Regardless of its lead, that is a high total. But apparently they aren't all legit? |
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Post by Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815... on Dec 11, 2017 20:03:40 GMT -5
2.6 mil is a big lead? Last month there were weeks when the top YouTube song had leads of 4.3 and 5 mil. Regardless of its lead, that is a high total. But apparently they aren't all legit? They are not, which is why they were not counted. |
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Post by jenglisbe on Dec 11, 2017 20:17:39 GMT -5
So, will Beyonce lost her duet credit next chart?
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Post by brady47 on Dec 11, 2017 20:36:31 GMT -5
What are the chances that AIWFCIY hits top 10 by Christmas week?
I really hope it doesn't get stuck at #11.
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Post by pnobelysk on Dec 11, 2017 20:37:28 GMT -5
The first #1 duet this decade..? The Monster, Closer, Timber..? If Empire State of Mind counts as a duet, I don't see why those aren't Well, Chainsmokers are already a duo, so adding Halsey makes that a group and not a duet. Still, if "ESOM" counts then, yes, the other pairings you mention should as well. I guess they are going by how it's credited though? As in, maybe those were "featuring" instead of "&." Doesn’t Only one of the chainsmokers provide vocals? |
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Post by jenglisbe on Dec 11, 2017 20:38:28 GMT -5
Well, Chainsmokers are already a duo, so adding Halsey makes that a group and not a duet. Still, if "ESOM" counts then, yes, the other pairings you mention should as well. I guess they are going by how it's credited though? As in, maybe those were "featuring" instead of "&." Doesn’t Only one of the chainsmokers provide vocals? Hot 100 data is about credits. The song is credited as Chainsmokers f/ Halsey. |
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Post by Sherane Lamar on Dec 11, 2017 21:14:55 GMT -5
I'd say Billboard needs to give Youtube an ultimatum: sort out your own data and clear up this mess or we won't count you on our formulas at all. That should be more than enough for Youtube to look into the issue. Undermine their own credibility and punish everybody who follows the charts? No thanks. They could actually be smart about it and estimate things using past trends. For example, find the average YouTube view to radio impession/sales/streaming of every song that charts. Then apply that average ratio to songs that have fake YouTube views. That's a lot better than just lazily pretending that the vids have zero views. And it's WAY better than pretending that YouTube doesn't exist altogether. That's still lowballing it because any song that has fake YouTube views is probably going to be YouTube heavy anyways. "That should be more than enough for Youtube to look into the issue." No it doesn't. YouTube doesn't care. They barely care. They have way bigger things to worry about. |
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Post by Sherane Lamar on Dec 11, 2017 21:18:15 GMT -5
Fake views from who, the song's label or random fans? Not really a "label". More like a "social media agency". They build hype and promote artists that already have a following online. So yeah, it is basically like a label. But it's technically not a label because they don't produce music. They just market. |
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Post by Sherane Lamar on Dec 11, 2017 21:20:41 GMT -5
Why are people so surprised that a song that isn't even top 35 on any streaming service beside YouTube (in addition to seeing next to no points from radio and sales) isn't in the Hot 100 top ten? Simm calculated that it would be #7 if the YouTube views were counted. So that's a pretty big discrepancy. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2017 2:42:04 GMT -5
So Gummo still doesn’t have the issue fixed? smfh
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2017 5:41:24 GMT -5
Christmas update
11. AIWFCIY
37. Rockin' Around The Christmas Tree
42. The Christmas Song (Merry Christmas To You)
45. It's The Most Wonderful Time Of The Year
47. A Holly Jolly Christmas
Also, Gummo jumped to #13.
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Post by mako on Dec 12, 2017 6:00:28 GMT -5
11. All I Want For Christmas Is You (+10)
13. Gummo (+41)
21. Him & I (NE)
22. Let You Down (+7)
25. Shape Of You (+1)
26. How Long (+6)
29. The Way Life Goes (+10)
31. Meant To Be (+9)
35. Sky Walker (+20)
37. Rockin Around The Christmas Tree (RE)
39. End Game (+44)
42. The Christmas Song (RE)
44. Ric Flair Drip (+5)
45. It's The Most Wonderful Time Of The Year (RE)
47. A Holly Jolly Christmas (RE)
53. Tell Me You Love Me (RE)
59. Candy Paint (+5)
61. Kooda (NE)
73. Pick It Up (+9)
90. Broken Halos (RE)
93. Juice (NE)
95. Bella y Sensual (NE)
97. Marry Me (NE)
98. Five More Minutes (NE)
99. Criminal (NE)
I did this all on mobile so give me some blessings
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Post by felipe on Dec 12, 2017 7:05:33 GMT -5
Why are people so surprised that a song that isn't even top 35 on any streaming service beside YouTube (in addition to seeing next to no points from radio and sales) isn't in the Hot 100 top ten? Simm calculated that it would be #7 if the YouTube views were counted. So that's a pretty big discrepancy. What song are we talking about here? Somebody was using fake YouTube views to get a higher chart peak? |
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Dec 12, 2017 8:05:24 GMT -5
So, will Beyonce lost her duet credit next chart? I have the same question. The original will probably outsell the duet by close to a 2:1 margin. Do the risk getting the Beyhive mad? Even though technically it would be the right thing to do? |
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Post by chartfreak on Dec 12, 2017 8:34:05 GMT -5
Am I just not seeing it, but is the whole hot 100 missing? I thought it was available on Mondays
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Post by Sherane Lamar on Dec 12, 2017 8:35:20 GMT -5
Simm calculated that it would be #7 if the YouTube views were counted. So that's a pretty big discrepancy. What song are we talking about here? Somebody was using fake YouTube views to get a higher chart peak? 21 Savage's "Bank Account", Lil Pump's "Gucci Gang", and 6ix9ine's "Gummo", but it looks like the issue is fixed now that Gummo is back to #13. |
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Post by Sherane Lamar on Dec 12, 2017 8:40:53 GMT -5
Am I just not seeing it, but is the whole hot 100 missing? I thought it was available on Mondays It's there for me. |
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Post by Choco on Dec 12, 2017 8:54:41 GMT -5
So, will Beyonce lost her duet credit next chart? I have the same question. The original will probably outsell the duet by close to a 2:1 margin. Do the risk getting the Beyhive mad? Even though technically it would be the right thing to do? They removed Britney after a single week on S&M, so probably. |
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Post by jayhawk1117 on Dec 12, 2017 9:18:28 GMT -5
Praise the lord, Gummo "only" made it to 13. Man whenever I think about it, it saddens me that songs like Praying cant even Crack top 20 but actual trash can crack top 15 so easily
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Post by chartfreak on Dec 12, 2017 9:34:38 GMT -5
Am I just not seeing it, but is the whole hot 100 missing? I thought it was available on Mondays It's there for me. I meant on here, but yeah, guess I can go to Billboard. :)) Haven't been there in ages. |
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Dec 12, 2017 11:25:31 GMT -5
12/23 Billboard Hot 100
TW LW 2W WOC Title Artist Imprint | label
1 3 5 15 Perfect - Ed Sheeran Duet With Beyonce - Atlantic
2 1 1 12 Rockstar - Post Malone Featuring 21 Savage - Republic
3 2 2 17 Havana - Camila Cabello Featuring Young Thug - SYCO | Epic
4 4 3 13 Gucci Gang - Lil Pump - Lyfetime/Tha Lights Global | Warner Bros.
5 5 4 32 Thunder - Imagine Dragons - KIDinaKORNER | Interscope
6 6 7 13 Too Good At Goodbyes - Sam Smith - Capitol
7 8 11 13 No Limit - G-Eazy Featuring A$AP Rocky & Cardi B - G-Eazy/RVG/BPG | RCA
8 11 14 14 Bad At Love - Halsey - Astralwerks | Capitol
9 7 6 23 Bodak Yellow (Money Moves) - Cardi B - The KSR Group | Atlantic
10 9 10 15 What Lovers Do - Maroon 5 Featuring SZA - 222 | Interscope
11 21 – 21 All I Want For Christmas Is You - Mariah Carey - Columbia | Legacy
12 10 8 25 Feel It Still - Portugal. The Man - Atlantic
13 54 29 4 Gummo - 6ix9ine - Scumgang
14 16 16 16 I Get The Bag - Gucci Mane Featuring Migos - Guwop | Atlantic
15 17 17 6 MotorSport - Migos, Nicki Minaj & Cardi B - Quality Control/Motown | Capitol
16 12 9 22 Sorry Not Sorry - Demi Lovato - Hollywood/Safehouse/Island | Republic
17 15 18 19 New Rules - Dua Lipa - Warner Bros.
18 13 12 23 Mi Gente - J Balvin & Willy William Featuring Beyonce - Scorpio/Capitol Latin/Parkwood/Republic | Sony Music Latin/UMLE/Columbia
19 14 13 32 1-800-273-8255 - Logic Featuring Alessia Cara & Khalid - Visionary | Def Jam
20 20 20 7 Wolves - Selena Gomez X Marshmello - Interscope
21 Hot Shot Debut 1 Him & I - G-Eazy & Halsey - G-Eazy/RVG/BPG | RCA
22 29 48 8 Let You Down - NF - NF Real Music | Caroline/Capitol
23 19 21 11 I Fall Apart - Post Malone - Republic
24 18 15 22 Bank Account - 21 Savage - Slaughter Gang | Epic
25 26 31 48 Shape Of You - Ed Sheeran - Atlantic
26 32 34 9 How Long - Charlie Puth - OTTO | Atlantic
27 27 39 24 Love. - Kendrick Lamar Featuring Zacari - Top Dawg/Aftermath | Interscope
28 22 22 21 Young Dumb & Broke - Khalid - Right Hand | RCA
29 39 38 15 The Way Life Goes - Lil Uzi Vert Featuring Nicki Minaj - Generation Now | Atlantic
30 25 23 44 Believer - Imagine Dragons - KIDinaKORNER | Interscope
31 40 42 7 Meant To Be - Bebe Rexha & Florida Georgia Line - Warner Bros. | BMLG
32 23 19 47 Despacito - Luis Fonsi & Daddy Yankee Featuring Justin Bieber - Universal Music Latino/Raymond Braun/SchoolBoy/Def Jam | UMLE/Republic
33 36 43 17 Silence - Marshmello Featuring Khalid - Joytime Collective | RCA
34 24 28 35 Unforgettable - French Montana Featuring Swae Lee - Ear Drummer/Coke Boys/Bad Boy | Interscope/Epic
35 55 58 11 Sky Walker - Miguel Featuring Travis Scott - ByStorm | RCA
36 30 30 33 Attention - Charlie Puth - OTTO | Atlantic
37 Re-Entry 19 Rockin' Around The Christmas Tree - Brenda Lee - Decca/MCA Nashville | UMe
38 38 37 19 The Weekend - SZA - Top Dawg | RCA
39 83 86 3 End Game - Taylor Swift Featuring Ed Sheeran & Future - Big Machine | Republic
40 37 32 47 That's What I Like - Bruno Mars - Atlantic
41 43 50 11 Plain Jane - A$AP Ferg - A$AP Worldwide/Polo Grounds | RCA
42 Re-Entry 9 The Christmas Song (Merry Christmas To You) - Nat King Cole - Capitol | UMe
43 31 24 14 ...Ready For It? - Taylor Swift - Big Machine | Republic
44 49 54 6 Ric Flair Drip - Offset & Metro Boomin - Boominati/Quality Control/Motown/Slaughter Gang | Republic/Capitol/Epic
45 Re-Entry 2 It's The Most Wonderful Time Of The Year - Andy Williams - Columbia | Legacy
46 42 33 33 There's Nothing Holdin' Me Back - Shawn Mendes - Island | Republic
47 Re-Entry 2 A Holly Jolly Christmas - Burl Ives - Decca/MCA Special Products/Geffen | UMe
48 46 52 5 Rubbin Off The Paint - YBN Nahmir - YBN | MMMG
49 45 35 50 Congratulations - Post Malone Featuring Quavo - Republic
50 47 49 36 Humble. - Kendrick Lamar - Top Dawg/Aftermath | Interscope
51 33 25 18 What About Us - P!nk - RCA
52 51 46 13 Pills And Automobiles - Chris Brown Featuring Yo Gotti, A Boogie Wit da Hoodie & Kodak Black - RCA
53 Re-Entry 2 Tell Me You Love Me - Demi Lovato - Hollywood/Safehouse/Island | Republic
54 48 45 14 Greatest Love Story - LANCO - Arista Nashville
55 53 53 11 Let Me Go - Hailee Steinfeld & Alesso Featuring Florida Georgia Line & Watt - Republic
56 57 56 16 Roll In Peace - Kodak Black Featuring XXXTENTACION - Dollaz N Dealz | Atlantic
57 58 59 15 Light It Up - Luke Bryan - Capitol Nashville
58 52 – 2 Codeine Dreaming - Kodak Black Featuring Lil Wayne - Dollaz N Dealz | Atlantic
59 64 66 7 Candy Paint - Post Malone - Artist Partners Group/Atlantic/Republic | RRP
60 63 63 5 Lemon - N*E*R*D & Rihanna - N.E.R.D | Columbia
61 New 1 Kooda - 6ix9ine - Scumgang
62 62 61 11 Like I Loved You - Brett Young - BMLG
63 61 62 13 I'll Name The Dogs - Blake Shelton - Warner Bros. Nashville | WMN
64 65 67 7 Good Old Days - Macklemore Featuring Kesha - Bendo | ADA/Warner Bros.
65 56 51 19 When It Rains It Pours - Luke Combs - River House | Columbia Nashville
66 66 70 9 Lights Down Low - MAX Featuring gnash - DCD2/Crush Music | RED Associated Labels
67 69 73 8 Yours - Russell Dickerson - Triple Tigers
68 67 69 4 Betrayed - Lil Xan - Columbia
69 59 57 19 Unforgettable - Thomas Rhett - Valory
70 68 72 11 Round Here Buzz - Eric Church - EMI Nashville
71 28 – 2 MIC Drop - BTS Featuring Desiigner - BigHit Entertainment
72 60 44 16 Look What You Made Me Do - Taylor Swift - Big Machine | Republic
73 82 89 4 Pick It Up - Famous Dex Featuring A$AP Rocky - Rich Forever | 300
74 77 71 18 The Race - Tay-K - Tay-K
75 76 47 3 Echame La Culpa - Luis Fonsi & Demi Lovato - Safehouse/Island/Universal Music Latino | Republic/UMLE
76 72 64 4 Wanted You - NAV Featuring Lil Uzi Vert - XO | Republic
77 73 75 11 Losing Sleep - Chris Young - RCA Nashville
78 74 68 13 Dusk Till Dawn - Zayn Featuring Sia - RCA
79 70 60 13 Love So Soft - Kelly Clarkson - Atlantic | RRP
80 78 77 16 I Could Use A Love Song - Maren Morris - Columbia Nashville
81 75 65 6 Ghostface Killers - 21 Savage, Offset & Metro Boomin Featuring Travis Scott - Boominati/Quality Control/Motown/Slaughter Gang | Republic/Capitol/Epic
82 81 80 15 F**k Love - XXXTentacion Featuring Trippie Redd - Bad Vibes Forever | EMPIRE Recordings
83 80 74 7 Mayores - Becky G Featuring Bad Bunny - Kemosabe/RCA | Sony Music Latin
84 84 85 7 You Broke Up With Me - Walker Hayes - Monument | Arista Nashville
85 86 – 2 Krippy Kush - Farruko, Nicki Minaj, Bad Bunny, 21 Savage & Rvssian - Carbon Fiber | Sony Music Latin
86 88 92 3 When We - Tank - R&B Money | Atlantic
87 85 83 15 Jocelyn Flores - XXXTentacion - Bad Vibes Forever | EMPIRE Recordings
88 92 99 3 Written In The Sand - Old Dominion - RCA Nashville
89 89 87 7 Too Much To Ask - Niall Horan - Neon Haze | Capitol
90 Re-Entry 5 Broken Halos - Chris Stapleton - Mercury Nashville
91 93 – 3 All On Me - Devin Dawson - Atlantic | WEA
92 87 82 16 Transportin' - Kodak Black - Dollaz N Dealz | Atlantic
93 New 1 Juice - Yo Gotti - Cocaine Muzik | Epic
94 71 76 7 Ask Me How I Know - Garth Brooks - Pearl
95 New 1 Bella y Sensual - Romeo Santos Featuring Nicky Jam & Daddy Yankee - Sony Music Latin
96 94 100 3 Faking It - Calvin Harris Featuring Kehlani & Lil Yachty - Columbia
97 New 1 Marry Me - Thomas Rhett - Valory
98 New 1 Five More Minutes - Scotty McCreery - Triple Tigers
99 New 1 Criminal - Natti Natasha x Ozuna - Pina | Sony Music Latin
100 96 88 15 Sauce It Up - Lil Uzi Vert - Generation Now | Atlantic
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2017 11:30:43 GMT -5
Kooda at 61, not bad
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Post by jenglisbe on Dec 12, 2017 11:32:37 GMT -5
I'm so surprised at a Kendrick Lamar single being higher in airplay than in other metrics.
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Post by Sherane Lamar on Dec 12, 2017 12:43:52 GMT -5
Praise the lord, Gummo "only" made it to 13. Man whenever I think about it, it saddens me that songs like Praying cant even Crack top 20 but actual trash can crack top 15 so easily Funny how just one song can turn this place into an unpleasant parade of people wallowing in their own unpopular opinions. Let's be honest here: Gummo peaks that high because it's something that people actually want to listen to. People are actually googling a song by somebody who was previously completely unknown so that they can listen to it on purpose. Not because there's some meme attached to it. Sorry that there's not some obscure "challenge" for you people to try and discredit every instance of success from a non-whitebread artist. I don't like to be negative here, but if anything is trash here it's the radio song from the former a-list celebrity that much of her original fanbase rejected because of it, frankly, being lifeless garbage. People loved Ke$ha from 2009-2013. Not because of bottom of the barrel trash like "Praying". Not because of crap that's peddled to soccer moms and radio stations who thrive off being inoffensive enough for office buildings. As radio's power decreases, artists are going to have to put actual effort into making their music stand out in positive ways. Not just catering to the lowest common denominator and blending in with WGWG easy listening. |
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