Billboard Hot 100: 12/23/2017

[jenglisbe]

Dec 12, 2017 12:43:52 GMT -5 Sherane Lamar said:

Dec 12, 2017 9:18:28 GMT -5 jayhawk1117 said:

Praise the lord, Gummo "only" made it to 13. Man whenever I think about it, it saddens me that songs like Praying cant even Crack top 20 but actual trash can crack top 15 so easily

Funny how just one song can turn this place into an unpleasant parade of people wallowing in their own unpopular opinions. 

Let's be honest here: Gummo peaks that high because it's something that people actually want to listen to. People are actually googling a song by somebody who was previously completely unknown so that they can listen to it on purpose. Not because there's some meme attached to it. Sorry that there's not some obscure "challenge" for you people to try and discredit every instance of success from a non-whitebread artist. 

I don't like to be negative here, but if anything is trash here it's the radio song from the former a-list celebrity that much of her original fanbase rejected because of it, frankly, being lifeless garbage. 

People loved Ke$ha from 2009-2013. Not because of bottom of the barrel trash like "Praying". Not because of crap that's peddled to soccer moms and radio stations who thrive off being inoffensive enough for office buildings. 

As radio's power decreases, artists are going to have to put actual effort into making their music stand out in positive ways. Not just catering to the lowest common denominator and blending in with WGWG easy listening. 

You'd have a fair point if the views of "Gummo" weren't so sketchy.

[kcdawg13]

Dec 12, 2017 12:43:52 GMT -5 Sherane Lamar said:

Dec 12, 2017 9:18:28 GMT -5 jayhawk1117 said:

Praise the lord, Gummo "only" made it to 13. Man whenever I think about it, it saddens me that songs like Praying cant even Crack top 20 but actual trash can crack top 15 so easily

Funny how just one song can turn this place into an unpleasant parade of people wallowing in their own unpopular opinions. 

Let's be honest here: Gummo peaks that high because it's something that people actually want to listen to. People are actually googling a song by somebody who was previously completely unknown so that they can listen to it on purpose. Not because there's some meme attached to it. Sorry that there's not some obscure "challenge" for you people to try and discredit every instance of success from a non-whitebread artist. 

I don't like to be negative here, but if anything is trash here it's the radio song from the former a-list celebrity that much of her original fanbase rejected because of it, frankly, being lifeless garbage. 

People loved Ke$ha from 2009-2013. Not because of bottom of the barrel trash like "Praying". Not because of crap that's peddled to soccer moms and radio stations who thrive off being inoffensive enough for office buildings. 

As radio's power decreases, artists are going to have to put actual effort into making their music stand out in positive ways. Not just catering to the lowest common denominator and blending in with WGWG easy listening. 

Jesus, what's your problem? 

Don't talk shit about Praying being "lifeless garbage" when you are defending a song like Gummo which is incredibly lifeless and definitely garbage. That simple trap beat with the cliche lyrics about killing people and of course the N word being said like 50 million times (6ix9ine is not black btw). Gummo is the definition of white bread, it is the milk and eggs of rap music, there's nothing different about it at all. Maybe 6ix9ine screaming like a 7 year old at Chucky Cheese is a bit different, but that's all. And 6ix9ine would know a lot about screaming 7 year old's if know what I'm saying.

Gummo is not some different stand out music a la Bjork, it's lazy trap music that has dominated the entire year. You have to be very delusion to think that Gummo stands out against it's peers, and in positive ways? The song is about killing people and the person "rapping" on it is a sexual predator, there's literally nothing positive about it. That song and 6ix9ine cater to the worst common denominator, not Kesha. 

[Au$tin]

I can't at anyone thinking Praying is bottom of the barrel in any meaning of the phrase. Or that it peddles to "soccer moms." I feel like you have to have not heard the song at all to have those opinions.

[chartfreak]

Dec 12, 2017 12:43:52 GMT -5 Sherane Lamar said:

Dec 12, 2017 9:18:28 GMT -5 jayhawk1117 said:

Praise the lord, Gummo "only" made it to 13. Man whenever I think about it, it saddens me that songs like Praying cant even Crack top 20 but actual trash can crack top 15 so easily

Funny how just one song can turn this place into an unpleasant parade of people wallowing in their own unpopular opinions. 

Let's be honest here: Gummo peaks that high because it's something that people actually want to listen to. People are actually googling a song by somebody who was previously completely unknown so that they can listen to it on purpose. Not because there's some meme attached to it. Sorry that there's not some obscure "challenge" for you people to try and discredit every instance of success from a non-whitebread artist. 

I don't like to be negative here, but if anything is trash here it's the radio song from the former a-list celebrity that much of her original fanbase rejected because of it, frankly, being lifeless garbage. 

People loved Ke$ha from 2009-2013. Not because of bottom of the barrel trash like "Praying". Not because of crap that's peddled to soccer moms and radio stations who thrive off being inoffensive enough for office buildings. 

As radio's power decreases, artists are going to have to put actual effort into making their music stand out in positive ways. Not just catering to the lowest common denominator and blending in with WGWG easy listening. 

I'm sure lots of his views are curiosity views, just as mine was this morning and I could not believe what I was hearing.

[jenglisbe]

"Gummo" has fallen from its YouTube perch, by the way.

[Deleted]

Yeah no that argument is invalid once you called Praying lifeless garbage
Try again sis

[MilesW1998]

Praying has more life than any trap song to come out of the garbage pile people called SoundCloud.

[rainie]

Dec 12, 2017 15:53:23 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

"Gummo" has fallen from its YouTube perch, by the way.

Wait seriously? Thank god, I'd be so happy if it suddenly plummeted.

[deepston]

Defending Gummo over Praying. Enough Pulse for today...

[Sherane Lamar]

Dec 12, 2017 15:10:00 GMT -5 kcdawg13 said:

Dec 12, 2017 12:43:52 GMT -5 Sherane Lamar said:

Funny how just one song can turn this place into an unpleasant parade of people wallowing in their own unpopular opinions. 

Let's be honest here: Gummo peaks that high because it's something that people actually want to listen to. People are actually googling a song by somebody who was previously completely unknown so that they can listen to it on purpose. Not because there's some meme attached to it. Sorry that there's not some obscure "challenge" for you people to try and discredit every instance of success from a non-whitebread artist. 

I don't like to be negative here, but if anything is trash here it's the radio song from the former a-list celebrity that much of her original fanbase rejected because of it, frankly, being lifeless garbage. 

People loved Ke$ha from 2009-2013. Not because of bottom of the barrel trash like "Praying". Not because of crap that's peddled to soccer moms and radio stations who thrive off being inoffensive enough for office buildings. 

As radio's power decreases, artists are going to have to put actual effort into making their music stand out in positive ways. Not just catering to the lowest common denominator and blending in with WGWG easy listening. 

Jesus, what's your problem? 

Don't talk s**t about Praying being "lifeless garbage" when you are defending a song like Gummo which is incredibly lifeless and definitely garbage. That simple trap beat with the cliche lyrics about killing people and of course the N word being said like 50 million times (6ix9ine is not black btw). Gummo is the definition of white bread, it is the milk and eggs of rap music, there's nothing different about it at all. Maybe 6ix9ine screaming like a 7 year old at Chucky Cheese is a bit different, but that's all. And 6ix9ine would know a lot about screaming 7 year old's if know what I'm saying.

Gummo is not some different stand out music a la Bjork, it's lazy trap music that has dominated the entire year. You have to be very delusion to think that Gummo stands out against it's peers, and in positive ways? The song is about killing people and the person "rapping" on it is a sexual predator, there's literally nothing positive about it. That song and 6ix9ine cater to the worst common denominator, not Kesha. 

"what's your problem?"

People on here going mental over every single Hip-Hop song that hits the Top 10 (or I guess 15 in this case). All while praising the most monotonous and bland of songs/artists. It's annoying. I try to hold my tongue about it because I don't really feel too negatively about any of the artists who have done well over the last two years. But it does get to the point where it becomes excessive and one-sided, imo. 

And stooping to the point where you spread baseless personal attacks? That's low. I mean, I got blocked a week for calling Beyonce a "discount Rihanna" and pointing out the fact that she's only gotten two top 10 hits this decade. That's kinda weird to me. Oh well. 

[Sherane Lamar]

Dec 12, 2017 17:17:30 GMT -5 deepston said:

Defending Gummo over Praying. Enough Pulse for today...

Pulse is filled with people who would defend Taylor Swift over Kanye West so.... 

Like, sorry you had to experience one dissenting opinion in a sea of people praising whatever deviates the bare minimum from the status quo. 

[Sambalada]

Dec 12, 2017 17:30:07 GMT -5 Sherane Lamar said:

Dec 12, 2017 15:10:00 GMT -5 kcdawg13 said:

Jesus, what's your problem? 

Don't talk s**t about Praying being "lifeless garbage" when you are defending a song like Gummo which is incredibly lifeless and definitely garbage. That simple trap beat with the cliche lyrics about killing people and of course the N word being said like 50 million times (6ix9ine is not black btw). Gummo is the definition of white bread, it is the milk and eggs of rap music, there's nothing different about it at all. Maybe 6ix9ine screaming like a 7 year old at Chucky Cheese is a bit different, but that's all. And 6ix9ine would know a lot about screaming 7 year old's if know what I'm saying.

Gummo is not some different stand out music a la Bjork, it's lazy trap music that has dominated the entire year. You have to be very delusion to think that Gummo stands out against it's peers, and in positive ways? The song is about killing people and the person "rapping" on it is a sexual predator, there's literally nothing positive about it. That song and 6ix9ine cater to the worst common denominator, not Kesha. 

"what's your problem?"

People on here going mental over every single Hip-Hop song that hits the Top 10 (or I guess 15 in this case). All while praising the most monotonous and bland of songs/artists. It's annoying. I try to hold my tongue about it because I don't really feel too negatively about any of the artists who have done well over the last two years. But it does get to the point where it becomes excessive and one-sided, imo. 

And stooping to the point where you spread baseless personal attacks? That's low. I mean, I got blocked a week for calling Beyonce a "discount Rihanna" and pointing out the fact that she's only gotten two top 10 hits this decade. That's kinda weird to me. Oh well. 

Not ALL hip-hop songs, lmao. Pulse stans for them cute jams, "No Limit", "Bodak Yellow", "HUMBLE."

Pulse likes what they like, I guess. "Gummo" and "Gucci Gang" are just not a good representation of the genre.

[Deleted]

Dec 12, 2017 17:30:58 GMT -5 Sherane Lamar said:

Dec 12, 2017 17:17:30 GMT -5 deepston said:

Defending Gummo over Praying. Enough Pulse for today...

Pulse is filled with people who would defend Taylor Swift over Kanye West so.... 

Terrible terrible comparison
The differences:
Gummo is trash
Kanye West is very talented and does make great music

And Pulse is aware of Taylor stans, T Swift even won the PMA for both Axis of Evil & Worst Group of Fans 

But Praying being lifeless, is a hell no, the F6 note on Praying gives people life imo

[Sherane Lamar]

The female-Pop genre/subgenre will continue to die if it puts out unlovable music like "Praying".

Radio decreases and the industry becomes less and less about making background music that causes the lowest number of people to turn the dial when it comes on.

Streaming based industry is going to be more about what people love than about what people don't hate.

[Dylan :)]

Praying is a statement. Gummo is terrible. On top of being impossible to understand, it is glorifying murder, it has (another) basic instrumental which we have heard over and over in various keys throughout the last year and a bit, the lyrics are offensive and obnoxious, his voice is nothing but harsh on your ears. However, I can see how one would like.

HOWEVER, Praying. Praying was a moment. I honestly think it is one of if not my favourite song of the year. From the incredible lyrics, the soothing background vocals that kick in at 1:04, the raw emotion in the second pre-chorus, the soaring strings, the intense drums that kick in in the second chorus, the shouting chorus, the goose bump inducing bridge with its background vocals and horns, the high note and then the calm instrumental but determined vocals in the outro. It is far from monotonous or bland. She could not have come back with a better song, and the fact Gummo is even mentioned in the same sentence as it (other than to say Praying is 100000x superior) is just insulting

[jebsib]

I have a legit question.

Curious about "Gummo", I googled the lyrics.

So my question is for those that love it:
There appears to be no edited version available:

Do you sing / rap the lyrics out loud when you are with friends or at a club?
If so, do you think that is okay to do?

[Glove Slap]

Sidestepping over the CVS riot above, what's been the basis of whatever chart inconsistencies are happening with Gummo? Is it stemming from the views possibly being inflated? I can't seem to recall something like this happening with other songs that have had big weeks on Youtube on the spot.

[MilesW1998]

Dec 12, 2017 17:44:55 GMT -5 Sherane Lamar said:

The female-Pop genre/subgenre will continue to die if it puts out unlovable music like "Praying".

Radio decreases and the industry becomes less and less about making background music that causes the lowest number of people to turn the dial when it comes on.

Streaming based industry is going to be more about what people love than about what people don't hate.

First things first, Praying is NOT unlovable in the slightest, you are probably the only person who hates it.

Second things second, the pop music like Praying and Green Light are not background music in the slightest, it's the white noise trap that keeps invading radio that people turn away from.

Third things third, streaming services will not last forever, and neither will this Urban boom that happened this year. My guess is people FINALLY grow up and get some actually joy into the mainstream.

Last things last:

[willapted33]

Dec 12, 2017 18:48:30 GMT -5 MilesW1998 said:

Dec 12, 2017 17:44:55 GMT -5 Sherane Lamar said:

The female-Pop genre/subgenre will continue to die if it puts out unlovable music like "Praying".

Radio decreases and the industry becomes less and less about making background music that causes the lowest number of people to turn the dial when it comes on.

Streaming based industry is going to be more about what people love than about what people don't hate.

First things first, Praying is NOT unlovable in the slightest, you are probably the only person who hates it.

Second things second, the pop music like Praying and Green Light are not background music in the slightest, it's the white noise trap that keeps invading radio that people turn away from.

Third things third, streaming services will not last forever, and neither will this Urban boom that happened this year. My guess is people FINALLY grow up and get some actually joy into the mainstream.

Last things last:

Please do not diss hip-hop and use a Kendrick gif in the same paragraph. Thanks and bye.

[kcdawg13]

Dec 12, 2017 17:30:07 GMT -5 Sherane Lamar said:

Dec 12, 2017 15:10:00 GMT -5 kcdawg13 said:

Jesus, what's your problem? 

Don't talk s**t about Praying being "lifeless garbage" when you are defending a song like Gummo which is incredibly lifeless and definitely garbage. That simple trap beat with the cliche lyrics about killing people and of course the N word being said like 50 million times (6ix9ine is not black btw). Gummo is the definition of white bread, it is the milk and eggs of rap music, there's nothing different about it at all. Maybe 6ix9ine screaming like a 7 year old at Chucky Cheese is a bit different, but that's all. And 6ix9ine would know a lot about screaming 7 year old's if know what I'm saying.

Gummo is not some different stand out music a la Bjork, it's lazy trap music that has dominated the entire year. You have to be very delusion to think that Gummo stands out against it's peers, and in positive ways? The song is about killing people and the person "rapping" on it is a sexual predator, there's literally nothing positive about it. That song and 6ix9ine cater to the worst common denominator, not Kesha. 

"what's your problem?"

People on here going mental over every single Hip-Hop song that hits the Top 10 (or I guess 15 in this case). All while praising the most monotonous and bland of songs/artists. It's annoying. I try to hold my tongue about it because I don't really feel too negatively about any of the artists who have done well over the last two years. But it does get to the point where it becomes excessive and one-sided, imo. 

And stooping to the point where you spread baseless personal attacks? That's low. I mean, I got blocked a week for calling Beyonce a "discount Rihanna" and pointing out the fact that she's only gotten two top 10 hits this decade. That's kinda weird to me. Oh well. 

I'm not personally attacking you, I never PM'd you or anything. I'm just stating a fact, the statement I made wasn't my opinion it was 100 percent true. That's what Gummo is, that's what Gummo is about, 6ix9ine is a pedophile. I didn't really defend Praying as you can see, I'm just saying that you're a hypocrite if you believe Praying is generic and Gummo is something different. Because it isn't for reasons I already explained. 

I honestly couldn't give less of a s**t about how you think about Kesha or Beyonce, just don't spread your hypocrisy around and expect not to be criticized for it. As for the reason why Pulse goes mental over rap songs, I don't know. That's just how Pulse is, and I've criticized people for having that sorta thinking a while ago and nothing has changed. You just kind of have to deal with it. Sorry if you felt like I personally attacked you, that was never my intention. 

[jayhawk1117]

Somehow Praying is a lifeless unlovable trash song but Gummo is good and music people wanna hear...hmmm. I know opinions can't be wrong but this is the closest thing I've ever seen to an incorrect opinion.

[jayhawk1117]

Dec 12, 2017 18:02:31 GMT -5 jebsib said:

I have a legit question.

Curious about "Gummo", I googled the lyrics.

So my question is for those that love it:
There appears to be no edited version available:

Do you sing / rap the lyrics out loud when you are with friends or at a club?
If so, do you think that is okay to do?

it has no airplay or Spotify streaming, no one plays it except on YouTube and Soundcloud. Think of it like a less appealing version of Friday

[Baby Yoda Hot100Fan]

I'm surprised nobody has mentioned Kooda which seems to be from the same heap of *rap as Gummo ...

[jayhawk1117]

Dec 12, 2017 17:30:07 GMT -5 Sherane Lamar said:

Dec 12, 2017 15:10:00 GMT -5 kcdawg13 said:

Jesus, what's your problem? 

Don't talk s**t about Praying being "lifeless garbage" when you are defending a song like Gummo which is incredibly lifeless and definitely garbage. That simple trap beat with the cliche lyrics about killing people and of course the N word being said like 50 million times (6ix9ine is not black btw). Gummo is the definition of white bread, it is the milk and eggs of rap music, there's nothing different about it at all. Maybe 6ix9ine screaming like a 7 year old at Chucky Cheese is a bit different, but that's all. And 6ix9ine would know a lot about screaming 7 year old's if know what I'm saying.

Gummo is not some different stand out music a la Bjork, it's lazy trap music that has dominated the entire year. You have to be very delusion to think that Gummo stands out against it's peers, and in positive ways? The song is about killing people and the person "rapping" on it is a sexual predator, there's literally nothing positive about it. That song and 6ix9ine cater to the worst common denominator, not Kesha. 

"what's your problem?"

People on here going mental over every single Hip-Hop song that hits the Top 10 (or I guess 15 in this case). All while praising the most monotonous and bland of songs/artists. It's annoying. I try to hold my tongue about it because I don't really feel too negatively about any of the artists who have done well over the last two years. But it does get to the point where it becomes excessive and one-sided, imo. 

And stooping to the point where you spread baseless personal attacks? That's low. I mean, I got blocked a week for calling Beyonce a "discount Rihanna" and pointing out the fact that she's only gotten two top 10 hits this decade. That's kinda weird to me. Oh well. 

"Every single" is quite the exaggeration lol. I don't recall any of this for quality or slight quality songs like anything from Kendrick, GEazy, most Migos songs, Cardi B, etc. Its really just the ones that are actually low quality or not good, Gummo and Gucci gang come to mind.

How dare the users praise songs that, ya know, seem like there's quality put in them. I'm sure Kesha put more effort in something like Praying than 6ix9ine and Lil Pump have put into all of their singles combined but hey that's just me.

[jayhawk1117]

Dec 12, 2017 20:22:25 GMT -5 Baby Yoda Hot100Fan said:

I'm surprised nobody has mentioned Kooda which seems to be from the same heap of *rap as Gummo ...

Hasn't really blown up like Gummo. If it does you'll hear about it lol

[Sherane Lamar]

Dec 12, 2017 20:08:04 GMT -5 kcdawg13 said:

Dec 12, 2017 17:30:07 GMT -5 Sherane Lamar said:

"what's your problem?"

People on here going mental over every single Hip-Hop song that hits the Top 10 (or I guess 15 in this case). All while praising the most monotonous and bland of songs/artists. It's annoying. I try to hold my tongue about it because I don't really feel too negatively about any of the artists who have done well over the last two years. But it does get to the point where it becomes excessive and one-sided, imo. 

And stooping to the point where you spread baseless personal attacks? That's low. I mean, I got blocked a week for calling Beyonce a "discount Rihanna" and pointing out the fact that she's only gotten two top 10 hits this decade. That's kinda weird to me. Oh well. 

I'm not personally attacking you, I never PM'd you or anything. I'm just stating a fact, the statement I made wasn't my opinion it was 100 percent true. That's what Gummo is, that's what Gummo is about, 6ix9ine is a pedophile. I didn't really defend Praying as you can see, I'm just saying that you're a hypocrite if you believe Praying is generic and Gummo is something different. Because it isn't for reasons I already explained. 

I honestly couldn't give less of a s**t about how you think about Kesha or Beyonce, just don't spread your hypocrisy around and expect not to be criticized for it. As for the reason why Pulse goes mental over rap songs, I don't know. That's just how Pulse is, and I've criticized people for having that sorta thinking a while ago and nothing has changed. You just kind of have to deal with it. Sorry if you felt like I personally attacked you, that was never my intention. 

All taste in music aside, (like I said, I don't even like Gummo), how are you gonna call somebody a "pedophile" and say it's a fact? Based on what? You really should at least be getting a warning for that type of thing, if we aren't allowed to call Beyonce "discount Rihanna". Cause that's like an actual serious accusation to toss around. 

"I'm just saying that you're a hypocrite if you believe Praying is generic and Gummo is something different."

And how? His vocal style is actually distinct. Nobody's combined trap with those weird screamo vocals before. I don't even like it, but it's at least something different. 

[MilesW1998]

genius.com/a/here-s-what-you-need-to-know-about-controversial-brooklyn-rapper-6ix9ine-his-breakout-hit-gummo

[kcdawg13]

Dec 12, 2017 20:46:40 GMT -5 Sherane Lamar said:

Dec 12, 2017 20:08:04 GMT -5 kcdawg13 said:

I'm not personally attacking you, I never PM'd you or anything. I'm just stating a fact, the statement I made wasn't my opinion it was 100 percent true. That's what Gummo is, that's what Gummo is about, 6ix9ine is a pedophile. I didn't really defend Praying as you can see, I'm just saying that you're a hypocrite if you believe Praying is generic and Gummo is something different. Because it isn't for reasons I already explained. 

I honestly couldn't give less of a s**t about how you think about Kesha or Beyonce, just don't spread your hypocrisy around and expect not to be criticized for it. As for the reason why Pulse goes mental over rap songs, I don't know. That's just how Pulse is, and I've criticized people for having that sorta thinking a while ago and nothing has changed. You just kind of have to deal with it. Sorry if you felt like I personally attacked you, that was never my intention. 

All taste in music aside, (like I said, I don't even like Gummo), how are you gonna call somebody a "pedophile" and say it's a fact? Based on what? You really should at least be getting a warning for that type of thing, if we aren't allowed to call Beyonce "discount Rihanna". Cause that's like an actual serious accusation to toss around. 

"I'm just saying that you're a hypocrite if you believe Praying is generic and Gummo is something different."

And how? His vocal style is actually distinct. Nobody's combined trap with those weird screamo vocals before. I don't even like it, but it's at least something different. 

Lmao if mods wanna ban me for telling the truth, then so be it. All the proof is above in that genius article.

[Libra]

Dec 12, 2017 20:53:35 GMT -5 MilesW1998 said:

genius.com/a/here-s-what-you-need-to-know-about-controversial-brooklyn-rapper-6ix9ine-his-breakout-hit-gummo

Thank you. I was considering posting that as well.

And - this is a general aside to the room, not targeted to any specific individual(s) - know that some serious side-eye is warranted for forcing me to have to Google for such information; this is one situation I would be perfectly content to never ever know anything about, such is the level of vile.

[Libra]

Dec 12, 2017 21:01:22 GMT -5 kcdawg13 said:

Lmao if mods wanna ban me for telling the truth, then so be it. All the proof is above in that genius article.

LOL. See right above.