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Post by Juan Carlos on Apr 20, 2021 23:47:38 GMT -5
Dua was interviewed by Zoe Ball on BBC Radio 2 and she talked about the album and her BRITs performance, as well as more. You could listen to it here or in the link of the tweet below around the 2:08:55 mark.
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Post by kimberly on Apr 22, 2021 2:44:51 GMT -5
Spotify Update (4/20/2021)
Most of the album has accumulated more streams this period than the one before. "Levitating," "We're Good" and "Love Again" move up. "Future Nostalgia" and "Pretty Please" (and maybe even "Love Again" if I'm late enough) are likely to surpass 100M by my next update.
Don't Start Now - 1.426B (+61M since 3/14/2021) Break My Heart - 634M (+33M) Physical - 487M (+23M) Levitating (ft. DaBaby) - 437M (+110M) Un Día - 436M (+35M) Prisoner - 270M (+46M) Hallucinate - 159M (+12M) Levitating - 156M (+26M) Fever - 130M (+20M) We're Good - 124M (+64M) Future Nostalgia - 95M (+6M) Pretty Please - 89M (+8M) Love Again - 82M (+10M) Cool - 78M (+6M) Good in Bed - 60M (+6M) Boys Will Be Boys - 52M (+6M) If It Ain't Me - 9M (+4M) That Kind Of Woman - 7M (+3M) Not My Problem - 5M (+2M)
Future Nostalgia: Moonlight Edition TOTAL - 4.736B (+481M)
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Post by GP on Apr 22, 2021 5:30:09 GMT -5
We're Good really isn't the flop everyone makes it out to be
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Post by Choco on Apr 22, 2021 19:19:19 GMT -5
We're Good really isn't the flop everyone makes it out to be Tbh it doesn't feel like it will do much damage to her momentum... but only because she got lucky with "Levitating" resurrecting itself to new heights. They need to go back to the original album for the next single. Love IIAM and TKOW but neither is pulling numbers that make me feel confident in their potential.
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Post by GP on Apr 23, 2021 11:08:54 GMT -5
We're Good really isn't the flop everyone makes it out to be Tbh it doesn't feel like it will do much damage to her momentum... but only because she got lucky with "Levitating" resurrecting itself to new heights. They need to go back to the original album for the next single. Love IIAM and TKOW but neither is pulling numbers that make me feel confident in their potential. Her new singles never affect the older ones, it's always the other way around Let's also not forget that Levitating was a 10-week in the top10 H100 #5 smash before the GRAMMYs and TikTok, so it not being as high wasn't due to WG, it was simply to being 4 months old. But as we always know, Dua singles and their longevity are insane
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Post by Choco on Apr 23, 2021 11:11:11 GMT -5
I'm not saying WG is tanking because of "Levitating", or that "Levitating" rose bc no one really loves WG. I just think she's lucky that "Levitating" is smashing again because otherwise the narrative would be way more negative ("We're Good" is tanking, she's over, etc...)
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Post by GP on Apr 23, 2021 11:32:06 GMT -5
I'm not saying WG is tanking because of "Levitating", or that "Levitating" rose bc no one really loves WG. I just think she's lucky that "Levitating" is smashing again because otherwise the narrative would be way more negative ("We're Good" is tanking, she's over, etc...) I know, I just don't agree that would be the narrative, when she came off her second top10 from the album and Levitating would continue to do its numbers for a while even if not the explosion it had :)
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Post by suzcruz7 on Apr 23, 2021 12:26:44 GMT -5
All I want is Love Again or Cool to be a summer single. Just stopping by this thread to manifest that.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2021 10:15:00 GMT -5
At this point, who knows how long Levitating will continue to dominate. It could potentially be a defining song of this summer. If that's the case, I think Dua should - once Levitating fizzles out - release Love Again/Cool to cap off the Future Nostalgia era once and for all, get ready for tour, and work on the third project. I don't see We're Good becoming a big hit in any territory, but nor do I see Levitating stopping anytime soon.
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Post by spiritboy on Apr 26, 2021 11:08:56 GMT -5
She looks flawless, stunning.
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Post by kimberly on Apr 26, 2021 20:45:42 GMT -5
I would like a Dua Lipa podcast, thank you
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Post by itsatravesty on Apr 28, 2021 10:48:45 GMT -5
Tbh it doesn't feel like it will do much damage to her momentum... but only because she got lucky with "Levitating" resurrecting itself to new heights. They need to go back to the original album for the next single. Love IIAM and TKOW but neither is pulling numbers that make me feel confident in their potential. Her new singles never affect the older ones, it's always the other way around Let's also not forget that Levitating was a 10-week in the top10 H100 #5 smash before the GRAMMYs and TikTok, so it not being as high wasn't due to WG, it was simply to being 4 months old. But as we always know, Dua singles and their longevity are insane I think the hard truth is that outside of a few Grammy voters, playlist curators, and disc jockeys, the US doesn’t really cares about Dua Lipa the artist. That’s truthfully why her singles are always affected unless bolstered by tremendous amounts of programming.
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Post by Choco on Apr 28, 2021 11:45:13 GMT -5
I think that was true up until Future Nostalgia. This era has done wonders for her US fame. I just think "We're Good" was a bad single choice and she's lucky that "Levitating" is slaying again to save face.
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Post by GP on Apr 28, 2021 12:15:52 GMT -5
Her new singles never affect the older ones, it's always the other way around Let's also not forget that Levitating was a 10-week in the top10 H100 #5 smash before the GRAMMYs and TikTok, so it not being as high wasn't due to WG, it was simply to being 4 months old. But as we always know, Dua singles and their longevity are insane I think the hard truth is that outside of a few Grammy voters, playlist curators, and disc jockeys, the US doesn’t really cares about Dua Lipa the artist. That’s truthfully why her singles are always affected unless bolstered by tremendous amounts of programming. yes a few GRAMMY voters, playlist curators and disc jockeys gave her 1B on-demand streams with New Rules. I'm bored by these half-ass attempts.
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Post by itsatravesty on Apr 28, 2021 13:07:15 GMT -5
I think the hard truth is that outside of a few Grammy voters, playlist curators, and disc jockeys, the US doesn’t really cares about Dua Lipa the artist. That’s truthfully why her singles are always affected unless bolstered by tremendous amounts of programming. yes a few GRAMMY voters, playlist curators and disc jockeys gave her 1B on-demand streams with New Rules. I'm bored by these half-ass attempts. Dont get me wrong, Dua has a couple huge streaming hits but that's not the same as people caring about her as an artist. Khalid has huge streaming hits but no one killing themselves over Khalid. Artists like Chloe x Halle dont have mega streaming hits but they have a real fanbase behind them. Dont underestimate what programming can do to create the illusion of interest.
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Post by wjr15 on Apr 28, 2021 16:10:17 GMT -5
yes a few GRAMMY voters, playlist curators and disc jockeys gave her 1B on-demand streams with New Rules. I'm bored by these half-ass attempts. Dont get me wrong, Dua has a couple huge streaming hits but that's not the same as people caring about her as an artist. Khalid has huge streaming hits but no one killing themselves over Khalid. Artists like Chloe x Halle dont have mega streaming hits but they have a real fanbase behind them. Dont underestimate what programming can do to create the illusion of interest. Instagram followers: Chloe - 2.8 million Halle - 1.3 million Khalid - 7.4 million Dua Lipa - 65.4 million So I’m not sure why you’re saying Dua Lipa has no real fanbase and comparing her to Khalid and Chloe x Halle.
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Post by itsatravesty on Apr 28, 2021 18:44:32 GMT -5
Dont get me wrong, Dua has a couple huge streaming hits but that's not the same as people caring about her as an artist. Khalid has huge streaming hits but no one killing themselves over Khalid. Artists like Chloe x Halle dont have mega streaming hits but they have a real fanbase behind them. Dont underestimate what programming can do to create the illusion of interest. Instagram followers: Chloe - 2.8 million Halle - 1.3 million Khalid - 7.4 million Dua Lipa - 65.4 million So I’m not sure why you’re saying Dua Lipa has no real fanbase and comparing her to Khalid and Chloe x Halle. Dua does have more exposure than the other artists, but I dont believe she has a passionate American fanbase behind her. You can tell when artists do because they usually have splashy chart debuts even if those debuts aren't sustained by mainstream programming. Dua releases a song, there's no passionate fanbase that rushes out to listen. Think of artists like Ariana BTS Nicki or Cardi who can release okay material and expect a fanatical initial response from a "hive" of fans. Dua does not have that kind of interest as an artist. Chloe x Halle are in a smaller market as black r&b stars but the passion behind their fanbase is more intense than Dua who makes very listenable but generic music. She's sort of a faceless pretty face and yes she has more followers on IG but that's not the same thing as having a ton or even a niche group of committed fans. Otherwise her high peaks wouldn't be so few and far between after two protracted high profile album campaigns. Billie can sell out arenas, Beyonce can sell out stadiums. That's proof of real following compared to manipulatable social media stats or discographies that pair well with streaming algorithms.
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Post by wjr15 on Apr 28, 2021 20:54:06 GMT -5
Instagram followers: Chloe - 2.8 million Halle - 1.3 million Khalid - 7.4 million Dua Lipa - 65.4 million So I’m not sure why you’re saying Dua Lipa has no real fanbase and comparing her to Khalid and Chloe x Halle. Dua does have more exposure than the other artists, but I dont believe she has a passionate American fanbase behind her. You can tell when artists do because they usually have splashy chart debuts even if those debuts aren't sustained by mainstream programming. Dua releases a song, there's no passionate fanbase that rushes out to listen. Think of artists like Ariana BTS Nicki or Cardi who can release okay material and expect a fanatical initial response from a "hive" of fans. Dua does not have that kind of interest as an artist. Chloe x Halle are in a smaller market as black r&b stars but the passion behind their fanbase is more intense than Dua who makes very listenable but generic music. She's sort of a faceless pretty face and yes she has more followers on IG but that's not the same thing as having a ton or even a niche group of committed fans. Otherwise her high peaks wouldn't be so few and far between after two protracted high profile album campaigns. Billie can sell out arenas, Beyonce can sell out stadiums. That's proof of real following compared to manipulatable social media stats or discographies that pair well with streaming algorithms. I’m sure if Dua could tour now, she could easily sell out shows. Future Nostalgia put her on a new level of stardom. Look at her Studio 2054 livestream concert. She had over 8 million viewers across 150 countries. That’s really good for a paid livestream! You’re really doing the most to discredit Dua and it’s really sad.
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Post by brokenhearts on Apr 29, 2021 2:16:12 GMT -5
Instagram followers: Chloe - 2.8 million Halle - 1.3 million Khalid - 7.4 million Dua Lipa - 65.4 million So I’m not sure why you’re saying Dua Lipa has no real fanbase and comparing her to Khalid and Chloe x Halle. Dua does have more exposure than the other artists, but I dont believe she has a passionate American fanbase behind her. You can tell when artists do because they usually have splashy chart debuts even if those debuts aren't sustained by mainstream programming. Dua releases a song, there's no passionate fanbase that rushes out to listen. Think of artists like Ariana BTS Nicki or Cardi who can release okay material and expect a fanatical initial response from a "hive" of fans. Dua does not have that kind of interest as an artist. Chloe x Halle are in a smaller market as black r&b stars but the passion behind their fanbase is more intense than Dua who makes very listenable but generic music. She's sort of a faceless pretty face and yes she has more followers on IG but that's not the same thing as having a ton or even a niche group of committed fans. Otherwise her high peaks wouldn't be so few and far between after two protracted high profile album campaigns. Billie can sell out arenas, Beyonce can sell out stadiums. That's proof of real following compared to manipulatable social media stats or discographies that pair well with streaming algorithms. Lmao what is this sh*t? Shut up please and go to sleep.
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Post by GP on Apr 29, 2021 6:41:53 GMT -5
Instagram followers: Chloe - 2.8 million Halle - 1.3 million Khalid - 7.4 million Dua Lipa - 65.4 million So I’m not sure why you’re saying Dua Lipa has no real fanbase and comparing her to Khalid and Chloe x Halle. Dua does have more exposure than the other artists, but I dont believe she has a passionate American fanbase behind her. You can tell when artists do because they usually have splashy chart debuts even if those debuts aren't sustained by mainstream programming. Dua releases a song, there's no passionate fanbase that rushes out to listen. Think of artists like Ariana BTS Nicki or Cardi who can release okay material and expect a fanatical initial response from a "hive" of fans. Dua does not have that kind of interest as an artist. Chloe x Halle are in a smaller market as black r&b stars but the passion behind their fanbase is more intense than Dua who makes very listenable but generic music. She's sort of a faceless pretty face and yes she has more followers on IG but that's not the same thing as having a ton or even a niche group of committed fans. Otherwise her high peaks wouldn't be so few and far between after two protracted high profile album campaigns. Billie can sell out arenas, Beyonce can sell out stadiums. That's proof of real following compared to manipulatable social media stats or discographies that pair well with streaming algorithms. more exposure doesnt get you 10x, 20x more followers than others with a real fanbase
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Post by Choco on Apr 29, 2021 9:36:55 GMT -5
I'd rather have organic hits that debut low and then stay on the chart/pop culture scene longer rather than whatever Nicki or BTS get these days (1 week wonders), so that was a bad comparison. How can anyone say Chloe x Halle have a bigger/more engaged fanbase than Dua btw? They've never even hit top 40 on the Hot 100. "Break My Heart" reached #21 on it's debut alone thanks to fan engament. "We're Good", which is by all accounts going to end up as a minor footnote on Dua's career also entered straight into top 50. Not BTS numbers but not Chloe x Halle numbers either. (No shade to CxH tho, they're clearly still building their fanbase and their genre is not as mainstream right now. They're doing really well on their own). Dua's album just reached a new US peak just a few weeks ago. It has moved over a million units. Without bundles, without touring and merchandise, without signed copies or vinyls or Spotify "chapters" (basically all that Taylor's team did when folklore needed another week at #1, wasn't the case here). Her album is also moving enough streams to top the Spotify chart for several weeks over a year after release. Is there any other metric where it needs to do well to please you? You're gonna say that's playlisting and programmed streams. Then I will say she does well on radio, but you're gonna say that's payola. I can argue that "Levitating" is top 10 on digital sales again, but you're gonna say iTunes sales are irrelevant (true there). I can argue that her livestream is the biggest one we've gotten during the pandemic, pointing out that there's strong demand for her tour, but you're... gonna make some sort of excuse for that not being a big deal. So really, we're gonna have to agree to disagree. I think the "shut up and go to sleep" post was rude but deserved in this case
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Post by itsatravesty on Apr 29, 2021 9:53:42 GMT -5
Dua does have more exposure than the other artists, but I dont believe she has a passionate American fanbase behind her. You can tell when artists do because they usually have splashy chart debuts even if those debuts aren't sustained by mainstream programming. Dua releases a song, there's no passionate fanbase that rushes out to listen. Think of artists like Ariana BTS Nicki or Cardi who can release okay material and expect a fanatical initial response from a "hive" of fans. Dua does not have that kind of interest as an artist. Chloe x Halle are in a smaller market as black r&b stars but the passion behind their fanbase is more intense than Dua who makes very listenable but generic music. She's sort of a faceless pretty face and yes she has more followers on IG but that's not the same thing as having a ton or even a niche group of committed fans. Otherwise her high peaks wouldn't be so few and far between after two protracted high profile album campaigns. Billie can sell out arenas, Beyonce can sell out stadiums. That's proof of real following compared to manipulatable social media stats or discographies that pair well with streaming algorithms. more exposure doesnt get you 10x, 20x more followers than others with a real fanbase People follow who everyone else follows on social media. Converting that into musical interest for an artist is another story. Converting billions of streams into just tens of thousands of in-person tickets sold in every city is another story. Dua has been a part of nearly 30 singles released in the past 5 years. 30 singles, only 2 top 40 debuts on the Hot 100. She's benefitted from increasing exposure since New Rules broke out in 2017. There's no way those followers translate to passionate fans if we're looking at the American charts.
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Post by suzcruz7 on Apr 29, 2021 10:09:46 GMT -5
Instagram followers: Chloe - 2.8 million Halle - 1.3 million Khalid - 7.4 million Dua Lipa - 65.4 million So I’m not sure why you’re saying Dua Lipa has no real fanbase and comparing her to Khalid and Chloe x Halle. Dua does have more exposure than the other artists, but I dont believe she has a passionate American fanbase behind her. You can tell when artists do because they usually have splashy chart debuts even if those debuts aren't sustained by mainstream programming. Dua releases a song, there's no passionate fanbase that rushes out to listen. Think of artists like Ariana BTS Nicki or Cardi who can release okay material and expect a fanatical initial response from a "hive" of fans. Dua does not have that kind of interest as an artist. Chloe x Halle are in a smaller market as black r&b stars but the passion behind their fanbase is more intense than Dua who makes very listenable but generic music. She's sort of a faceless pretty face and yes she has more followers on IG but that's not the same thing as having a ton or even a niche group of committed fans. Otherwise her high peaks wouldn't be so few and far between after two protracted high profile album campaigns. Billie can sell out arenas, Beyonce can sell out stadiums. That's proof of real following compared to manipulatable social media stats or discographies that pair well with streaming algorithms. If you think songs like Don't Start Now, Break My Heart, Physical, Levitating, and Love Again are "listenable but generic" I'm sorry you just straight up have no taste.
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Post by Ling-Ling on Apr 29, 2021 10:53:15 GMT -5
I think there's some hyperbole associated with their overall point, but I do agree to an extent. I don't think Dua has a rabid, passionate fanbase in the US yet. And that's not to say she won't get there or that she even needs that to be successful.
And there's no denying the marketing muscle behind this album. We haven't seen an album campaign this aggressive since Teenage Dream. No expense has been spared, and it's especially obvious in the streaming era where long album campaigns aren't the norm anymore. And that's not a knock either, that's her label and management's job. But I do think it shows that she needs a far bigger push than her peers to reach a certain level of success.
But so much of this era was specifically centered around building her profile and making her a star. So that was kind of the point. Whether or not she'll be able to create a persona that truly engages the public on it's own has yet to be seen IMO.
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Post by GP on Apr 29, 2021 18:03:31 GMT -5
well yeah I don't think Dua has a legion of fans like Swifties who get her 500k pure first week. But statements like "no one knows her" aged 4 years ago
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Post by GP on Apr 29, 2021 18:04:49 GMT -5
^and also, this kind of push is constant for new girls. Ariana was everywhere in 2014, multiple singles, much MUCH promo and performances and collabs. this always happens
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Post by itsatravesty on Apr 30, 2021 6:43:42 GMT -5
well yeah I don't think Dua has a legion of fans like Swifties who get her 500k pure first week. But statements like "no one knows her" aged 4 years ago There’s a difference between “no one” knows and “no one” cares. Most people have heard Don’t Start Now, but do people really care who sings it? Probably not, based on how most of her follow ups performed.
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Post by circadian on Apr 30, 2021 13:18:27 GMT -5
well yeah I don't think Dua has a legion of fans like Swifties who get her 500k pure first week. But statements like "no one knows her" aged 4 years ago There’s a difference between “no one” knows and “no one” cares. Most people have heard Don’t Start Now, but do people really care who sings it? Probably not, based on how most of her follow ups performed. Most of her follow ups? Out of 3 singles released stateside, only We're Good has underperformed. Break My Heart was a hit and Levitating is a monster. It's second wind is actually being driven by streaming and it's popularity in Tik Tok, which is something her team has little input into. People like her, she's still not in the Ariana, Lady Gaga, Taylor league, but she's still early in her career.
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Post by felipe on Apr 30, 2021 17:44:32 GMT -5
I think a case can be made that Dua is older. If you think about the acts with rabid fanbases they either started when they were teenagers (Swift, Ariana, Billie, Bieber) or catered to a very young demographic (Katy Perry or BTS). So I guess that although 12-year old girls enjoy Dua Lipa's music they don't necessarily obsess over her, and the older audience in their 20s usuaaly stan for someone they grew up to (Beyoncé, Rihanna, Drake)...
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