Dua Lipa – Future Nostalgia

[Juan Carlos]

Queen has arrived to the BRITs.

[𝕡𝕙𝕖𝕖𝕓𝕤]

May 11, 2021 8:14:26 GMT -5 wjr15 said:

May 11, 2021 3:09:18 GMT -5 𝕡𝕙𝕖𝕖𝕓𝕤 said:

if they hypothetically selected a “Cool” remix as the next single, who would you pick to appear on it?

It’s very summery, so the obvious choice is it-girl Doja Cat. Sam Smith or Halsey could possibly work too...?

As much as I’d like to hear Tove Lo on the remix, she wouldn’t bring anything to the song, chart-wise :(

Halsey would be a really good choice and I could hear Harry Styles’ voice working well too.

oh shit, Harry would tooooootally fit on this song!!! I didn’t even think of him. That’s perfect

[Juan Carlos]

Dua performed a Future Nostalgia medley at the BRITs, which consist of "Love Again", "Physical", "Pretty Please", "Hallucinate" and "Don't Start Now".

[kimberly]

disappointed to see "Levitating" left out but we got "Hallucinate" & "Physical" so I think I'll be ok.

[kimberly]

PERIOD!

[Juan Carlos]

Dua won two BRITs awards tonight, including Mastercard Album of the Year.

[Juan Carlos]

Her BRITs performance has been uploaded on YouTube.

[die Lotterie]

She did a fantastic job. I love this era, a star was incubated and a superstar was born. It will be fascinating following her trajectory the next decade.

[Dammn Baby]

Apr 29, 2021 10:53:15 GMT -5 Ling-Ling said:

I think there's some hyperbole associated with their overall point, but I do agree to an extent. I don't think Dua has a rabid, passionate fanbase in the US yet. And that's not to say she won't get there or that she even needs that to be successful.

And there's no denying the marketing muscle behind this album. We haven't seen an album campaign this aggressive since Teenage Dream. No expense has been spared, and it's especially obvious in the streaming era where long album campaigns aren't the norm anymore. And that's not a knock either, that's her label and management's job. But I do think it shows that she needs a far bigger push than her peers to reach a certain level of success.

But so much of this era was specifically centered around building her profile and making her a star. So that was kind of the point. Whether or not she'll be able to create a persona that truly engages the public on it's own has yet to be seen IMO.

I fundamentally agree with this. I like much of Dua's music, but I don't consider her particularly interesting or captivating. She's just kind of there for me, and I would never pay good money to see her live. It could be anyone making these songs, and they'd still be great, so for me it really rests on the strength of the material. No doubt they're pushing her hard, and she's working her ass off, and I commend her for it. But I wouldn't be surprised with a Katy Perry trajectory.

[kimberly]

I want her to step on me wow

[Choco]

May 11, 2021 16:29:49 GMT -5 Juan Carlos said:

Her BRITs performance has been uploaded on YouTube.

Quoting this medley because it deserved to be on the new page. It was so well done.

[GP]

WINNER!

[Glove Slap]

I saw her IG story and this post came to mind.

Apr 19, 2021 9:09:56 GMT -5 schnetzka said:

Why does it seem that once something good happens to an artist, they do something to mess it up almost immediately? It reminds me of Lana Del Rey after her critical acclaim era. Everything was going well until her comments. I feel like a similar thing is happening to Demi right now.

And interspersing it with photos and videos from the award show and her getting low to Trey Songz . I-

Like damn lady.

[kimberly]

She's speaking up against human rights crimes committed by a settler colonial state that's murdering and displacing indigenous people and y'all are worried about her ruining the momentum of Future Nostalgia era? 14 Palestinian children were killed today. I think Dua will be fine. She's a millionaire with a platform, I'm glad she's using it.

[allow that]

May 12, 2021 22:55:25 GMT -5 kimberly said:

She's speaking up against human rights crimes committed by a settler colonial state that's murdering and displacing indigenous people and y'all are worried about her ruining the momentum of Future Nostalgia era? 14 Palestinian children were killed today. I think Dua will be fine. She's a millionaire with a platform, I'm glad she's using it.

Over 400 rockets have been fired at Israel by Hamas in the past 24 hours with hundreds more expected, so of course Israel has a right to defend itself- regardless of how your favorite pop star paints the situation. Israel warns several times before it strikes to minimize the amount of civilians affected, but Hamas chooses to position their rocket launchers in the middle of civilian areas. Hamas often stores their weapons inside of actual mosques. So yes, Free Palestine... from Hamas!

In NO WAY is Israel "ethnic cleansing" as Dua boldly claimed tonight, which is quite an extreme, nasty, dangerous, irresponsible, and factually wrong piece of misinformation to spread. People who want peace in the Middle East need to understand the complexities of both sides rather than reducing the situation to words like "settler colony" lifted from an animated Instagram infographic that's circulating by those uneducated on the situation. The lives of Israelis and Palestinians are tied together, and peace is impossible until Hamas loves its own people more than it hates Jews. But, I'm sure all will be forgotten by summer when the Hadid's take their annual beach holiday to Tel Aviv, with Dua likely in tow.

ETA: Your hatred is showing. Jewish people are "indigenous" to the region. Read up.

[kimberly]

May 12, 2021 23:22:58 GMT -5 allow that said:

May 12, 2021 22:55:25 GMT -5 kimberly said:

She's speaking up against human rights crimes committed by a settler colonial state that's murdering and displacing indigenous people and y'all are worried about her ruining the momentum of Future Nostalgia era? 14 Palestinian children were killed today. I think Dua will be fine. She's a millionaire with a platform, I'm glad she's using it.

ETA: Your hatred is showing. Jewish people are "indigenous" to the region. Read up.

My hatred of what? I am against war and for a two-state solution. You don't know me. Anti-Zionism =/= Anti-Semitism. 

If your definition of "read up" is an op-ed from a school newspaper, this conversation won't be productive anyway, lmao. I'm very much educated on the subject and don't need your input in assessing it. 

[The Music Man]

To further allow that's points, Hamas - the government that Dua and various others are tacitly excusing - has historically called for the eradication of Israel, and refuses to this day to accept the existence of a Jewish state. If that's not textbook ethnic cleansing, I fail to see what is. Bella Hadid (who originated many of the posts in question) is also peddling intellectually hollow content that refers to Israel as the unilateral "oppressor," a provocative and misleading characterization, and also refers to Israel in quotation marks, which flat-out implies that Israel is an illegitimate state.

Dua is not anti-semitic, but her biases very clearly prevent her from seeing this situation holistically and from grasping the implications of the material she's circulating. It's a textbook example of a would-be activist celebrity failing to look both ways before crossing the street into the oncoming traffic of subject matter that is far above their pay grade.

[allow that]

May 13, 2021 0:36:29 GMT -5 kimberly said:

May 12, 2021 23:22:58 GMT -5 allow that said:

ETA: Your hatred is showing. Jewish people are "indigenous" to the region. Read up.

My hatred of what? I am against war and for a two-state solution. You don't know me. Anti-Zionism =/= Anti-Semitism. 

If your definition of "read up" is an op-ed from a school newspaper, this conversation won't be productive anyway, lmao. I'm very much educated on the subject and don't need your input in assessing it. 

You called Israel a "settler colony" and implied that Jews are not indigenous to the land of modern-day Israel, ignoring the centuries of displacement that they themselves faced. Op-ed from Harvard or not, I shared that source because it explains the ethnic history of Jews in the region eloquently. I think it holds more weight than a much shared, sourceless, cartoon infographic of two women sharing tea that I'm seeing quoted in your posts.

Back on topic, Dua & Co. pushing a one-sided, false narrative making a bold claim of ethnic cleansing is incredibly damaging, and misguided at best. Dua, do your research before sharing please. Protest against violence? Sure. But to tell 66 million followers that a calculated genocide is taking place? HELL NO. In between pics of her dancing with her model friends too, smh. As a supportive fan of hers it it's a major turn off.

[Mic Technique]

The sad irony of Dua using the term "ethnic cleansing" to describe settlements in the West Bank is it was initially popularized by Milosevic's associates as an off ramp or gentle euphemism to absolve themselves from charges of committing genocide in Bosnia and Kosovo.

Dua like a lot of young people in the Albanian diaspora are well intentioned and understandably draw corollaries between Kosovo and Palestine. But the Palestinian Authority supported the Milosevic regime as it carried out massacres against Albanian Muslims, going so far as to invite Milosevic to Bethlehem to celebrate Orthodox Christmas at the height of the murderous campaign. That visit would not materialize because Israel warned that they would hand him over to the ICC if he entered. The Palestinian Authority continues to oppose Kosovo's existence, calling upon them to be removed from the Organization of Islamic Cooperation and successfully lobbying against their entry into UNESCO. History isn't so tidy or convenient.

EDIT: I should add, there's no shortage of human rights atrocities that befall Muslims globally, daily. A systematic assassination campaign against activists in Iraq who oppose Iranian control of the country has claimed several casualties in just the last few days, in addition to the thousands killed and maimed since the protests began in 2019. Iran and Russia have turned Syria into one giant meat grinder where EU countries like Denmark insist on returning refugees to a conflict zone that has claimed the lives of 10x the amount of Arabs who've been killed in the entire century long Israeli-Palestinian conflict. An active campaign of actual genocide in Xinxiang carried out by the CPP which, curiously, is in many cases either excused or outright denied by many of the outlets or big accounts on social media currently building a follower base over concern for Palestinian rights. City by city in Yemen being overtaken by an Iranian-backed death cult repossessing all humanitarian aid meant to alleviate the suffering of millions of Yemenis. That's to name a few. Advocating for the right of Muslims to live absent of tyranny and terror as I'm known to do, it's discouraging to see certain groups—celebrities, progressives, etc.—in the West only prick up their ears when Jews are involved.

[suzcruz7]

Criticizing the Israeli government for their atrocities and rightfully identifying the IDF as a terrorist organization is not antisemitic. In fact, it's extremely antisemitic to equate one individual government with people of an entire religion. Many Jewish people are extremely critical of Israel.

[allow that]

May 13, 2021 14:45:03 GMT -5 suzcruz7 said:

Criticizing the Israeli government for their atrocities and rightfully identifying the IDF as a terrorist organization is not antisemitic. In fact, it's extremely antisemitic to equate one individual government with people of an entire religion. Many Jewish people are extremely critical of Israel.

Your post is oversimplifying a complex situation and completely overlooks Hamas terrorism, which is what Israeli is currently responding to. You’re also conflating objection to false claims of “ethnic cleansing” to blanket approval for all of what the Israel military does.

“Many Jewish people” = “My black friend says.” The anti-semtism there is transparent.

[Mic Technique]

May 13, 2021 14:45:03 GMT -5 suzcruz7 said:

Criticizing the Israeli government for their atrocities and rightfully identifying the IDF as a terrorist organization is not antisemitic. In fact, it's extremely antisemitic to equate one individual government with people of an entire religion. Many Jewish people are extremely critical of Israel.

It’s a good thing nobody here is doing or saying, well, any of that. But if you’re referring to my post, allow me to reiterate that if the only time you care about Arabs or Muslims is when you can blame Israel, you’re probably antisemitic. However, in the exceptional case of this thread, I’m willing to wager that most on the defensive here are in the 18 to 25 year old age range and shell shocked from stan wars—rather than, you know, real war.

[GP]

May 13, 2021 12:34:25 GMT -5 Mic Technique said:

The sad irony of Dua using the term "ethnic cleansing" to describe settlements in the West Bank is it was initially popularized by Milosevic's associates as an off ramp or gentle euphemism to absolve themselves from charges of committing genocide in Bosnia and Kosovo.

Dua like a lot of young people in the Albanian diaspora are well intentioned and understandably draw corollaries between Kosovo and Palestine. But the Palestinian Authority supported the Milosevic regime as it carried out massacres against Albanian Muslims, going so far as to invite Milosevic to Bethlehem to celebrate Orthodox Christmas at the height of the murderous campaign. That visit would not materialize because Israel warned that they would hand him over to the ICC if he entered. The Palestinian Authority continues to oppose Kosovo's existence, calling upon them to be removed from the Organization of Islamic Cooperation and successfully lobbying against their entry into UNESCO. History isn't so tidy or convenient.

All that and she can still suck up her pride and recognise that what's happening here is way more important, we're talking about human lives

[kimberly]

Some things to consider:

1. Palestinian-Israeli conflict is not based on religion, it's based on oppression and apartheid. Palestinian Christians and Palestinian Jews are also a part of the Palestinian Diaspora that have been displaced as a direct result of Israeli aggression. 

2. Israelis and the IDF do not represent the entirety of Jewish community, and claiming I am against Jewish peoples' rights just because we criticize the settler militarist state of Israel is quite anti-semitic if you ask me.

3. The West (and progressives in the US) interfere "whenever Jews are involved" because Israel and IDF receive taxpayer money from the United States and other colonial powers of the world. There is less to campaign and rally around when groups with equal footing are at war.

4. Privileged White Institutions (such as Harvard, or the one I attended) usually have clubs and groups funded by the Israeli state, and Zionist think pieces like the one you shared are not an uncommon occurrence. In no way do these pieces explain the brutality of the lynchings and civilian deaths and suffering that occur in Gaza and Palestine.

[wjr15]

Can y’all create an “Israel-Palestine conflict” thread instead of derailing the Future Nostalgia thread?

[kimberly]

on that note...

Dame Elizabeth Anionwu was interviewed by BBC and ITV on International Nurses Day following Dua's dedication of the Female Soloist BRIT to her and asking for a pay rise for frontline workers in her speech. 

[Push The Button]

Oof a lot of Holocaust deniers up in here. Gross.

[wjr15]

On topic...

If “Levitating” goes #1 on CHR, Dua Lipa will be the first person since Selena Gomez in 2015-16 to have 3 CHR #1’s from one album.

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May 13, 2021 22:40:01 GMT -5 Push The Button said:

Oof a lot of Holocaust deniers up in here. Gross.

Thats not fair. I dont think Dua or the pulse poster above is being a holocaust denier and or ill intentioned. I wish we would stop personally labeling strangers with such vitriolic tags that are hurtful unless they deserve it. I think Dua and kim are well meaning but end of the day Israel has a right to defend itself I just wish that innocent people Palestinians weren't caught in crossfire other something Hamas did. Hamas is a terrorist group so I don't support them, I also dont fully support actions taken by Israel government. I just support the right of Palestinians and Israelis to enjoy daily life free of attack.

Let's disagree without name calling each other is all I ask!

[spiritboy]

Let's change the subject please, i'm so proud of Dua for her wins at Brit Awards and her speeches were fantastic.