Billboard Hot 100: 11/17/18

[Gary]

Must be using a smaller pan

[DJ General]

Nov 9, 2018 15:09:09 GMT -5 kcdawg13 said:

Nov 9, 2018 14:57:52 GMT -5 DJ General said:

At least I am discussing relevant things? Also... Iris is a timeless song. GLY is a horrid piece of trash that is a flash in the pan. Next

This is for CHART DISCUSSION people. Let's stop with these fights.

That being said, anyone around in the 90's knows that Iris was treated the same as GLY. Easy-listening slock from a mediocre pop rock band that got played way too much, of course everyone thinks it's timeless now, but if you were there you would know. The Goo Goo Dolls were basically the Maroon 5 of the 90's, critics hated them, soccer moms loved them. Stop pretending that its some timeless song, you know why it's timeless? Because radio won't stop playing it, Iris has haunted the radio for 20 years. 

And let's not sit here and pretend that GYL's is just gonna vanish after it's run and no one will remember it, AC stations are gonna continue to play this for years to come whether you like it or not. Songs like Iris, or The Reason, or Sugar Rays terrible hits all continue to get recurrent play day in and day out because it's easy listening and that's what radio loves. GYL is gonna be around for a long time, so just deal with it. Thank u, next.

Okay, well I was around in the 90s, and that's not what it was to me by any means, or many other people. I don't have to pretend it is a timeless song because it IS a timeless song. If anything, it was the song that made critics LIKE Goo Goo Dolls.

The song was always iconic, and it still is iconic. The video has always been one of my favorites, and the song was nominated for several important Grammys. The song wasn't just easy listening slock either. It has a really cool guitar tuning for nerds like me who understand this stuff, that was very different for pop songs or really any songs on the radio (and still to this day is very unusual). There's a lot that went into the song and it still sounds great to this day.

Finally, I overstated as said in my other post that the song was trash. That was just me typing in the moment. However, I do believe it was still a flash in the pan type song. Despite the amount of weeks it hit #1, I think it will blend in with many other songs. Even could get lost with many other Maroon 5 songs. Despite what will end up being there most successful single I'm sure, it doesn't mean that when you ask someone to randomly name 5 Maroon 5 songs they would even come up with this one. This has nothing to do with Iris or not, this is a separate thought on my opinions of the song.

again, I am not here to argue (at least not with you because I have no issues with you) so hopefully you can at least respect my opinions and thoughts!

[DJ General]

Nov 9, 2018 16:23:27 GMT -5 chartslovergermany said:

Nov 9, 2018 14:57:52 GMT -5 DJ General said:

At least I am discussing relevant things? Also... Iris is a timeless song. GLY is a horrid piece of trash that is a flash in the pan. Next

maybe you noticed that the most people here in this thread are talking about Ariana getting her first #1,so nobody really cares about iris record being broken or not,smh.
You're the only person in these threads that's making a drama out of a "radio record".
Should we declare a state of emergency for you?
Would that make you happy😂😂

Again, my comments are relevant this week and every week. I can talk about whatever I choose in this thread anyway, but at least they are relevant comments. As you can see by people who agree with me on my post, we both have people who agree with both of us. and that's fine.

Nov 9, 2018 16:27:27 GMT -5 Gary said:

20 years from now, we may also call GLY timeless rather than a 'horrid piece of trash' - ya never know

I overstated that LOL It is a fine pop song, it's not a horrid piece of trash. I was just heated in the moment.

[Golden Bluebird]

kworb.net/airadio/

*** = Dropped or added a format

Overall AI (Top 20) - 2018/11/10
1. (=) MAROON 5 - Girls Like You f/Cardi B (146.519) (-1.436)
2. (=) 5 SECONDS OF SUMMER - Youngblood (123.783) (-1.237)
3. (=) MARSHMELLO - Happier f/Bastille (116.560) (+2.007)
4. (=) KHALID X NORMANI - Love Lies (110.583) (+0.220)
5. (=) POST MALONE - Better Now (107.267) (-1.545)
6. (=) PANIC! AT THE DISCO - High Hopes (104.190) (+1.805)
7. (=) ARIANA GRANDE - God Is A Woman (92.440) (-2.315)
8. (=) JUICE WRLD - Lucid Dreams (88.962) (-0.068)
9. (=) LOVELYTHEBAND - Broken (84.666) (-0.158)
10. (=) IMAGINE DRAGONS - Natural (81.619) (-0.642)
11. (+1) ARIANA GRANDE - Breathin (75.670) (+1.479)
12. (-1) TRAVIS SCOTT - Sicko Mode (74.935) (-0.595)
13. (+1) LAUV - I Like Me Better (71.248) (-0.636)
14. (-1) SELENA GOMEZ - Back To You (70.735) (-1.958)
15. (=) TAYLOR SWIFT - Delicate (66.238) (-0.768)
16. (=) LUKE COMBS - She Got The Best Of Me (65.810) (-0.483)
17. (=) CHRIS YOUNG - Hangin' On (63.047) (+0.188)
18. (=) JIMMIE ALLEN - Best Shot (61.319) (+0.499)
19. (=) BENNY BLANCO, HALSEY & KHALID - Eastside (61.010) (+0.329)
20. (=) CARDI B - Ring (58.662) (+0.378)

Others:
21. (=) ELLA MAI - Trip (56.383) (+0.685)
27. (+2) KANE BROWN - Lose It (49.982) (+0.871)
31. (+1) HALSEY - Without Me (48.408) (+2.067)
37. (+1) GUCCI MANE/BRUNO/KODAK - Wake Up In The Sky (42.105) (+0.923)
39. (=) DRAKE - Nonstop (39.738) (-1.297)
41. (+3) DAN + SHAY - Speechless (38.776) (+0.596)
57. (+3) POST MALONE & SWAE LEE - Sunflower (32.629) (+0.873)
61. (=) DIERKS BENTLEY - Burning Man f/Brothers Osborne (31.190) (+0.629)
73. (+1) DUSTIN LYNCH - Good Girl (26.396) (+0.689)
75. (+1) BAD BUNNY - MIA f/Drake (25.839) (+1.155)

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Nov 10, 2018 9:07:59 GMT -5 DJ General said:

Nov 9, 2018 15:09:09 GMT -5 kcdawg13 said:

This is for CHART DISCUSSION people. Let's stop with these fights.

That being said, anyone around in the 90's knows that Iris was treated the same as GLY. Easy-listening slock from a mediocre pop rock band that got played way too much, of course everyone thinks it's timeless now, but if you were there you would know. The Goo Goo Dolls were basically the Maroon 5 of the 90's, critics hated them, soccer moms loved them. Stop pretending that its some timeless song, you know why it's timeless? Because radio won't stop playing it, Iris has haunted the radio for 20 years. 

And let's not sit here and pretend that GYL's is just gonna vanish after it's run and no one will remember it, AC stations are gonna continue to play this for years to come whether you like it or not. Songs like Iris, or The Reason, or Sugar Rays terrible hits all continue to get recurrent play day in and day out because it's easy listening and that's what radio loves. GYL is gonna be around for a long time, so just deal with it. Thank u, next.

Okay, well I was around in the 90s, and that's not what it was to me by any means, or many other people. I don't have to pretend it is a timeless song because it IS a timeless song. If anything, it was the song that made critics LIKE Goo Goo Dolls.

The song was always iconic, and it still is iconic. The video has always been one of my favorites, and the song was nominated for several important Grammys. The song wasn't just easy listening slock either. It has a really cool guitar tuning for nerds like me who understand this stuff, that was very different for pop songs or really any songs on the radio (and still to this day is very unusual). There's a lot that went into the song and it still sounds great to this day.

Finally, I overstated as said in my other post that the song was trash. That was just me typing in the moment. However, I do believe it was still a flash in the pan type song. Despite the amount of weeks it hit #1, I think it will blend in with many other songs. Even could get lost with many other Maroon 5 songs. Despite what will end up being there most successful single I'm sure, it doesn't mean that when you ask someone to randomly name 5 Maroon 5 songs they would even come up with this one. This has nothing to do with Iris or not, this is a separate thought on my opinions of the song.

again, I am not here to argue (at least not with you because I have no issues with you) so hopefully you can at least respect my opinions and thoughts!

You know what weakens your argument? It's all based on emotion and what you "think". You thinking GLY is a flash in a pan suckass song while Iris is iconic and timeless is your opinion - which you can have, but that doesn't translate into how others feel, what a majority thinks, or anything factual. You're not participating in a discussion like this when your only support is how you feel. It's the equivalent of arguing with a child having a temper tantrum. "But I want to" isn't good enough.

[rockgolf]

Happier did 2.1M WHAT on Pop alone? Certainly not spins. Audience impressions? What? Source?

Hmm. .. looks like I Shoulda quoted. The original post is gone. 

[L.Kennedy]

Nov 10, 2018 10:13:01 GMT -5 rockgolf said:

Happier did 2.1M WHAT on Pop alone? Certainly not spins. Audience impressions? What? Source?

Hmm. .. looks like I Shoulda quoted. The original post is gone. 

The update is right. i usually forget about "Published" and "All Stations" update.

Happier did 2.5 on Published but 1.2 on All Stations.

[imbondz]

Nov 10, 2018 9:07:59 GMT -5 DJ General said:

Nov 9, 2018 15:09:09 GMT -5 kcdawg13 said:

This is for CHART DISCUSSION people. Let's stop with these fights.

That being said, anyone around in the 90's knows that Iris was treated the same as GLY. Easy-listening slock from a mediocre pop rock band that got played way too much, of course everyone thinks it's timeless now, but if you were there you would know. The Goo Goo Dolls were basically the Maroon 5 of the 90's, critics hated them, soccer moms loved them. Stop pretending that its some timeless song, you know why it's timeless? Because radio won't stop playing it, Iris has haunted the radio for 20 years. 

And let's not sit here and pretend that GYL's is just gonna vanish after it's run and no one will remember it, AC stations are gonna continue to play this for years to come whether you like it or not. Songs like Iris, or The Reason, or Sugar Rays terrible hits all continue to get recurrent play day in and day out because it's easy listening and that's what radio loves. GYL is gonna be around for a long time, so just deal with it. Thank u, next.

Okay, well I was around in the 90s, and that's not what it was to me by any means, or many other people. I don't have to pretend it is a timeless song because it IS a timeless song. If anything, it was the song that made critics LIKE Goo Goo Dolls.

The song was always iconic, and it still is iconic. The video has always been one of my favorites, and the song was nominated for several important Grammys. The song wasn't just easy listening slock either. It has a really cool guitar tuning for nerds like me who understand this stuff, that was very different for pop songs or really any songs on the radio (and still to this day is very unusual). There's a lot that went into the song and it still sounds great to this day.

Finally, I overstated as said in my other post that the song was trash. That was just me typing in the moment. However, I do believe it was still a flash in the pan type song. Despite the amount of weeks it hit #1, I think it will blend in with many other songs. Even could get lost with many other Maroon 5 songs. Despite what will end up being there most successful single I'm sure, it doesn't mean that when you ask someone to randomly name 5 Maroon 5 songs they would even come up with this one. This has nothing to do with Iris or not, this is a separate thought on my opinions of the song.

again, I am not here to argue (at least not with you because I have no issues with you) so hopefully you can at least respect my opinions and thoughts!

That’s my recollection of Iris. It’s what made the critics come around to like the Goo Goo Dolls. Iris was WAY bigger than GLY I don’t care how long it’s #1 on radio. Iris oddly crossed genres. I remember most people liking the song didn’t matter the race. It hit a deep chord with a lot of people.

[imbondz]

From Wikipedia

Iris" was also a major international hit. It peaked at number five on the Irish Singles Chart and has since become the 19th biggest-selling single of all time in Ireland. The song initially peaked at number 50 in the United Kingdom in August 1998 before rising to number 25 the following year. On October 2, 2011, after performances by auditionees on The X Factor, the song re-entered the UK Singles Chart at number three. In May 2013, the song charted at number 12 after it was covered by Britain's Got Talent contestant Robbie Kennedy.[9] Elsewhere, the song became a number-one hit in Italy (for four weeks), Australia (for five weeks) and Canada (for eight weeks), and it reached the top 10 in Flemish Belgium and the Netherlands.

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

No one is doubting the hit status of Iris? It was everywhere in 1998.

[brady47]

But at the time Iris had those 18 weeks at #1 on airplay, were R&B radio stations considered in airplay? I wonder how many weeks it would have at #1 if R&B was considered a component of the Hot 100 Airplay in 1998

[brady47]

Holy "Breathin" seems like it's going to be a radio monster. It's getting better updates than "God is a Woman" during it's ascent to the top 10

[jebsib]

Only Rhythmic was included in 1998. We do know that Iris was #1 Hot 100 Airplay for multiple weeks after Urban joined the mix, as did other rock leaning songs like "Lullaby" and "Slide". This was still a few years before Hip Hop / R&B ratings spiked up and dominated the Hot 100 Airplay top 10.

[korbel16]

I wonder how many weeks it would have been number 1? I’m thinking 8-12

[Golden Bluebird]

Nov 10, 2018 15:08:41 GMT -5 korbel16 said:

I wonder how many weeks it would have been number 1? I’m thinking 8-12

I doubt it would've gone to #1. I remember someone (either Gary or Jebsib) in one of these threads bringing up that they were test charts that they did showing how a chart where airplay-only singles would look like in the weeks preceding its official implementation on the Hot 100 in late 1998. Apparently, those test charts showed that it wouldn't peak at #1 (can't exactly remember what its peak was but I believe it was either #3 or #4) even if the new rules were implemented then, which makes sense considering "Iris" not being released as a single means it didn't have any sales to help it peak at #1 despite its long run at the top of the airplay chart.

[kcdawg13]

Nov 10, 2018 11:02:02 GMT -5 imbondz said:

From Wikipedia

Iris" was also a major international hit. It peaked at number five on the Irish Singles Chart and has since become the 19th biggest-selling single of all time in Ireland. The song initially peaked at number 50 in the United Kingdom in August 1998 before rising to number 25 the following year. On October 2, 2011, after performances by auditionees on The X Factor, the song re-entered the UK Singles Chart at number three. In May 2013, the song charted at number 12 after it was covered by Britain's Got Talent contestant Robbie Kennedy.[9] Elsewhere, the song became a number-one hit in Italy (for four weeks), Australia (for five weeks) and Canada (for eight weeks), and it reached the top 10 in Flemish Belgium and the Netherlands.

And this is relevant why? No one is denying that Iris was a hit, yes it was a hit, a big hit. And so is Girls Like You. They are both huge songs. 

[iHype.]

Nov 10, 2018 13:16:12 GMT -5 brady47 said:

But at the time Iris had those 18 weeks at #1 on airplay, were R&B radio stations We dconsidered in airplay? I wonder how many weeks it would have at #1 if R&B was considered a component of the Hot 100 Airplay in 1998

We discussed this a few weeks ago. Iris would've lost up to 8 weeks had Urban/Urban AC been included in overall airplay its entire run.

Oct 16, 2018 15:54:23 GMT -5 iHype. said:

1998-08-01
1 Iris - Goo Goo Dolls
2 Torn - Natalie Imbruglia
3 You're Still The One - Shania Twain
4 The Boy Is Mine - Brandy & Monica

1998-08-08
1 Iris - Goo Goo Dolls
2 You're Still The One - Shania Twain
3 The Boy Is Mine - Brandy & Monica

1998-08-15
1 Iris - Goo Goo Dolls
2 The Boy Is Mine - Brandy & Monica

1998-08-22
1 Iris - Goo Goo Dolls
2 I Don't Want To Miss A Thing - Aerosmith
3 The Boy Is Mine - Brandy & Monica


During all these weeks on Radio Songs, The Boy is Mine was also top 3 on R&B/Hip-Hop Airplay. Which means it could've got 30 million+ audience added to its overall numbers.

The record for audience impressions at that time was only 105 million (set by Celine earlier that year), meaning Iris had below 105 million, so 30 million was a big amount and could've likely put TBIM at #1.

Also, further down its run at #1

1998-10-10
1 Iris - Goo Goo Dolls
2 I Don't Want To Miss A Thing - Aerosmith
3 One Week - Barenaked Ladies
4 Are You That Somebody? - Aaliyah


1998-10-17
1 Iris - Goo Goo Dolls
2 I Don't Want To Miss A Thing - Aerosmith
3 One Week - Barenaked Ladies
4 Are You That Somebody? - Aaliyah

1998-10-24
1 Iris - Goo Goo Dolls
2 I Don't Want To Miss A Thing - Aerosmith
3 One Week - Barenaked Ladies
4 Are You That Somebody? - Aaliyah

1998-10-31
1 Iris - Goo Goo Dolls
2 One Week - Barenaked Ladies
3 I Don't Want To Miss A Thing - Aerosmith
4 Are You That Somebody? - Aaliyah

Are You That Somebody? was also top 3 on R&B/Hip-Hop Airplay these weeks, so again, another 30 million+ that could've counted for it, and another 4 weeks Iris could've lost.

[Au$tin]

I can't at people in here acting as if Iris losing a record makes it any less of a hit or worse than GLY. It's literally one statistic based on airplay numbers two decades apart. Stop putting any more weight on a statistic than what it's supposed to be reflecting.

[DJ General]

What is the last date for airplay for the 11/17 chart? I forgot

[tanooki]

Nov 10, 2018 21:26:56 GMT -5 DJ General said:

What is the last date for airplay for the 11/17 chart? I forgot

Tomorrow

Radio runs Monday-Sunday, streaming and sales run Friday-Thursday

[rimetm]

A little off there. Radio runs from Monday to Sunday, so tomorrow is the last day for this tracking week.

[brady47]

Nov 10, 2018 16:42:43 GMT -5 iHype. said:

Nov 10, 2018 13:16:12 GMT -5 brady47 said:

But at the time Iris had those 18 weeks at #1 on airplay, were R&B radio stations We dconsidered in airplay? I wonder how many weeks it would have at #1 if R&B was considered a component of the Hot 100 Airplay in 1998

We discussed this a few weeks ago. Iris would've lost up to 8 weeks had Urban/Urban AC been included in overall airplay its entire run.

Oct 16, 2018 15:54:23 GMT -5 iHype. said:

1998-08-01
1 Iris - Goo Goo Dolls
2 Torn - Natalie Imbruglia
3 You're Still The One - Shania Twain
4 The Boy Is Mine - Brandy & Monica

1998-08-08
1 Iris - Goo Goo Dolls
2 You're Still The One - Shania Twain
3 The Boy Is Mine - Brandy & Monica

1998-08-15
1 Iris - Goo Goo Dolls
2 The Boy Is Mine - Brandy & Monica

1998-08-22
1 Iris - Goo Goo Dolls
2 I Don't Want To Miss A Thing - Aerosmith
3 The Boy Is Mine - Brandy & Monica


During all these weeks on Radio Songs, The Boy is Mine was also top 3 on R&B/Hip-Hop Airplay. Which means it could've got 30 million+ audience added to its overall numbers.

The record for audience impressions at that time was only 105 million (set by Celine earlier that year), meaning Iris had below 105 million, so 30 million was a big amount and could've likely put TBIM at #1.

Also, further down its run at #1

1998-10-10
1 Iris - Goo Goo Dolls
2 I Don't Want To Miss A Thing - Aerosmith
3 One Week - Barenaked Ladies
4 Are You That Somebody? - Aaliyah


1998-10-17
1 Iris - Goo Goo Dolls
2 I Don't Want To Miss A Thing - Aerosmith
3 One Week - Barenaked Ladies
4 Are You That Somebody? - Aaliyah

1998-10-24
1 Iris - Goo Goo Dolls
2 I Don't Want To Miss A Thing - Aerosmith
3 One Week - Barenaked Ladies
4 Are You That Somebody? - Aaliyah

1998-10-31
1 Iris - Goo Goo Dolls
2 One Week - Barenaked Ladies
3 I Don't Want To Miss A Thing - Aerosmith
4 Are You That Somebody? - Aaliyah

Are You That Somebody? was also top 3 on R&B/Hip-Hop Airplay these weeks, so again, another 30 million+ that could've counted for it, and another 4 weeks Iris could've lost.

I always wondered why "The Boy is Mine" only peaked at #2 in airplay for one week, but it makes sense now! Amazing that "Are You That Somebody" still hit #4 on airplay before Urban was included.

[tanooki]

Nov 10, 2018 21:54:15 GMT -5 rimetm said:

A little off there. Radio runs from Monday to Sunday, so tomorrow is the last day for this tracking week.

I realized I was thinking wrong and fixed it ahh


(btw this system is really fucking stupid every format should be tracked during the same amount of time no excuses)

[rimetm]

Yeah, it's always kinda rubbed me the wrong way, and the justification they use feels like it makes less sense in the digital era where a print magazine isn't even a weekly anymore (that being "we get the data to the day unlike the rest so we should use the most current data"; like, there's no rush, it's better for them to be uniform so the tracking week is a singular week).

(Not that anybody checks it out, but my response chart to the Hot 100, the Sizzle Top 40, uses the same tracking week for all the metrics along with a few other things, namely eschewing sales)

[tanooki]

Nov 10, 2018 22:57:29 GMT -5 rimetm said:

Yeah, it's always kinda rubbed me the wrong way, and the justification they use feels like it makes less sense in the digital era where a print magazine isn't even a weekly anymore (that being "we get the data to the day unlike the rest so we should use the most current data"; like, there's no rush, it's better for them to be uniform so the tracking week is a singular week).

(Not that anybody checks it out, but my response chart to the Hot 100, the Sizzle Top 40, uses the same tracking week for all the metrics along with a few other things, namely eschewing sales)

sizzle top 40?


im interested where can i find this

[tanooki]

Nov 10, 2018 13:18:23 GMT -5 brady47 said:

Holy "Breathin" seems like it's going to be a radio monster. It's getting better updates than "God is a Woman" during it's ascent to the top 10

I'm worried that the success of TU,N will cut its lifespan a little short but I hope it manages top 10 tbh, the song has hella grown on me 

[atg]

Nov 10, 2018 23:39:00 GMT -5 tanooki said:

Nov 10, 2018 13:18:23 GMT -5 brady47 said:

Holy "Breathin" seems like it's going to be a radio monster. It's getting better updates than "God is a Woman" during it's ascent to the top 10

I'm worried that the success of TU,N will cut its lifespan a little short but I hope it manages top 10 tbh, the song has hella grown on me 

I feel like breathin can make the top 10 or even long shot to the top 5 it’s still new and promoting 2 songs at the same time in 2018 doesn’t feel like its hard at all especially with everything weak nowadays

[DJ General]

Nov 10, 2018 21:54:15 GMT -5 rimetm said:

A little off there. Radio runs from Monday to Sunday, so tomorrow is the last day for this tracking week.

thanks!

[ccchui]

I wonder if Ariana Grande "Thank u, next" goes #1 first, then "Breathin'" goes #1 later.....will that be creating a chart history for a single from a new album go #1 before the last single from a previous album goes #1....Have that ever done before???

It looks like this can happen if "Breathin'" do well in both airplay and streaming for the few weeks down the road (Don't think the sales will be there for this song.)

[Kris]

Nov 11, 2018 0:36:46 GMT -5 ccchui said:

I wonder if Ariana Grande "Thank u, next" goes #1 first, then "Breathin'" goes #1 later.....will that be creating a chart history for a single from a new album go #1 before the last single from a previous album goes #1....Have that ever done before???

It looks like this can happen if "Breathin'" do well in both airplay and streaming for the few weeks down the road (Don't think the sales will be there for this song.)

It's been done a couple times. The Hills and Can't Feel My Face by the Weeknd, Only Girl (in the World) and What's My Name by Rihanna.