Taylor Swift – Lover

[deepston]

Mar 20, 2020 21:03:08 GMT -5 nickd said:

The full unedited phone call with Kanye finally leaked.
https://www.reddit.com/r/hiphopheads/comments/fm591l/kanye_wests_full_conversation_with_taylor_swift/

Taylor wins again. Let's celebrate and get ready for the second wind of reputation!
kimberly found dead in a ditch.

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Mar 21, 2020 7:00:21 GMT -5 jessutation said:

The "Lover" era needs to finally end once and for all. It's not fun anymore and any chance of milking out any future singles will just backfire like "The Man". If anything, she needs to just release "London Boy" as the European single since its conspicuously targeted to their markets. "ME!" was a fun opener to the era, but now the era is DEAD and Taylor is trying her best to keep it breathing but its just not....IT.

K bye

[born]

Mar 21, 2020 11:23:15 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

Mar 21, 2020 7:00:21 GMT -5 jessutation said:

The "Lover" era needs to finally end once and for all. It's not fun anymore and any chance of milking out any future singles will just backfire like "The Man". If anything, she needs to just release "London Boy" as the European single since its conspicuously targeted to their markets. "ME!" was a fun opener to the era, but now the era is DEAD and Taylor is trying her best to keep it breathing but its just not....IT.

K bye

[🅳🅸🆂🅲🅾]

Mar 20, 2020 21:03:08 GMT -5 nickd said:

The full unedited phone call with Kanye finally leaked.
https://www.reddit.com/r/hiphopheads/comments/fm591l/kanye_wests_full_conversation_with_taylor_swift/

All these are trending right now:
#KanyeWestIsOverParty
#KimKardashianIsOverParty
#TaylorToldTheTruth
#TaylorSwiftWasRightAllAlong

[ificanthaveyou]

Mar 21, 2020 16:01:33 GMT -5 🅳🅸🆂🅲🅾 said:

Mar 20, 2020 21:03:08 GMT -5 nickd said:

The full unedited phone call with Kanye finally leaked.
https://www.reddit.com/r/hiphopheads/comments/fm591l/kanye_wests_full_conversation_with_taylor_swift/

All these are trending right now:
#KanyeWestIsOverParty
#KimKardashianIsOverParty
#TaylorToldTheTruth
#TaylorSwiftWasRightAllAlong

People were clowns for believing anything Kanye “Make America Great Again” West was saying. He’s wasted space.

[cjay]

Well well. What do we have here?! And folks tried to cancel her over this jackass. Ugh

[deepston]

Interesting how an era that was received with such mixed opinions like "reputation" is increasingly more iconic by the day.

If only "Don't Blame Me" was a single instead of "...Ready for It"...

[born]

Mar 22, 2020 9:09:51 GMT -5 deepston said:

If only "Don't Blame Me" was a single instead of "...Ready for It"...

It would’ve peaked at #24 on Pop Radio and “The Man” would be considered a hit now.

[Future Captain]

I personally think they should just end the era after The Man too, mostly to allow people to keep their delusion of Cruel Summer being this all encompassing smash that will turn everything over instead of stalling in the 20s of pop radio before dying out. I love it as much as the next person but I dont think at this point of the era anything will stick

[nickd]

Mar 22, 2020 9:49:21 GMT -5 Future Captain said:

I personally think they should just end the era after The Man too, mostly to allow people to keep their delusion of Cruel Summer being this all encompassing smash that will turn everything over instead of stalling in the 20s of pop radio before dying out. I love it as much as the next person but I dont think at this point of the era anything will stick

I don't expect Cruel Summer to be a huge hit, I just think it's important for the GP to know she can still deliver bops to build anticipation for TS8. So even if it's just a moderate sized hit like 22 and End Game and only reaches #10 or so I think it's worth it.

[deepston]

Mar 22, 2020 9:49:21 GMT -5 Future Captain said:

I personally think they should just end the era after The Man too, mostly to allow people to keep their delusion of Cruel Summer being this all encompassing smash that will turn everything over instead of stalling in the 20s of pop radio before dying out. I love it as much as the next person but I dont think at this point of the era anything will stick

I think it could be a good moment with a really nice video - something more 80s and simple. Obviously I won't expect it to be a huge hit but it would be a great gift for the fans.
Afterglow should have been released 2 singles ago, though... 

[collegedropout]

Taylor always wins

[neverduplicated]

I don't think it really matters that much whether or not CS is released at this point. I doubt it will blow up, but I don't think it flopping would damage her that much either. The thing about Taylor is that, one, her fanbase is incredibly large and devoted, and two, she has yet to release an album that has disappointed her fanbase. Therefore we can all expect the lead single from TS8 to have a huge debut thanks to fans and and curiosity listens from the general public, and we can expect TS8 to have a huge debut as well for the same reason. I don't see CS really changing that one way or the other.

If she wants to try and get a hit out of CS, I do think she would need a revamped version with a big video and launch, but with everything going on at the moment can she even film a video? And will people really be that psyched about a remix of a song that's been out for so long?

[nickd]

Mar 22, 2020 12:28:52 GMT -5 neverduplicated said:

I don't think it really matters that much whether or not CS is released at this point. I doubt it will blow up, but I don't think it flopping would damage her that much either. The thing about Taylor is that, one, her fanbase is incredibly large and devoted, and two, she has yet to release an album that has disappointed her fanbase. Therefore we can all expect the lead single from TS8 to have a huge debut thanks to fans and and curiosity listens from the general public, and we can expect TS8 to have a huge debut as well for the same reason. I don't see CS really changing that one way or the other.

If she wants to try and get a hit out of CS, I do think she would need a revamped version with a big video and launch, but with everything going on at the moment can she even film a video? And will people really be that psyched about a remix of a song that's been out for so long?

I was mostly wondering if she might have already filmed the CS MV since she often films them months ahead of time. I think End Game and LWMMD were filmed about 4 months before being released.

[jessutation]

Y'all probably won't care but I found my chart run predictions for each "Lover" era singles:

"ME!" (my predictions):
Weeks at No. 1: 5 Weeks
Top 10: 15 Weeks
Top 100: 28 Weeks
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"You Need To Calm Down" (my predictions):
Highest Peak: No. 5
Top 10: 14 Weeks
Top 100: 20 Weeks
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"Lover" (my predictions):
Highest Peak: No. 4
Top 10: 20 Weeks
Top 100: 38 Weeks
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Now, I didn't make one for "The Man" but I do remember saying that it could peak #4 as a single, that's looking EXTREMELY unlikely at this point, lol

[Exclusive]

"Daylight" is such a beautiful album closer

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Mar 22, 2020 9:24:58 GMT -5 born said:

Mar 22, 2020 9:09:51 GMT -5 deepston said:

If only "Don't Blame Me" was a single instead of "...Ready for It"...

It would’ve peaked at #24 on Pop Radio and “The Man” would be considered a hit now.

[jessutation]

The only thing that annoyed me this era was the fact that Taylor and her team decided to push "Lover" as an official single just because of its stellar streaming numbers after the album. I mean, "Lover" is a beautiful song don't get me wrong...but having that as the single in August was such an underwhelming choice on her part. And to make matters worse, they stalled that song out for five whole months until we got "The Man" with no real promotional package to lift it off its feet, causing it to leave the charts right after the music video. This era was fun and iconic in the beginning, but it totally got stalled out after "Lover".

[nickd]

Mar 22, 2020 20:46:51 GMT -5 jessutation said:

The only thing that annoyed me this era was the fact that Taylor and her team decided to push "Lover" as an official single just because of its stellar streaming numbers after the album. I mean, "Lover" is a beautiful song don't get me wrong...but having that as the single in August was such an underwhelming choice on her part. And to make matters worse, they stalled that song out for five whole months until we got "The Man" with no real promotional package to lift it off its feet, causing it to leave the charts right after the music video. This era was fun and iconic in the beginning, but it totally got stalled out after "Lover".

I really doubt that was the reason why it was pushed. The music video was already out the day before the album which means it would've been filmed before Lover was even released as a promo single. I think she was planning on making it a single all along.

[mikerivera]

Mar 21, 2020 7:49:47 GMT -5 MissAmericana said:

Mar 21, 2020 7:00:21 GMT -5 jessutation said:

The "Lover" era needs to finally end once and for all. It's not fun anymore and any chance of milking out any future singles will just backfire like "The Man". If anything, she needs to just release "London Boy" as the European single since its conspicuously targeted to their markets. "ME!" was a fun opener to the era, but now the era is DEAD and Taylor is trying her best to keep it breathing but its just not....IT.

I disagree. If anything, it would be best if Taylor pushed a remix of Cruel Summer either in late April or early May and follow that up with the release of a deluxe edition and push one or two singles off of that, because I doubt she'd want to disappear for a year or longer until TS8. That'd only lead to her having less momentum to start off her next era with.

Honestly, while I know that a remix would probably be necessary for chart success, I honestly would want to hear the original. It’s one of the best songs off of Lover.

[nickd]

Mar 22, 2020 22:17:59 GMT -5 mikerivera said:

Mar 21, 2020 7:49:47 GMT -5 MissAmericana said:

I disagree. If anything, it would be best if Taylor pushed a remix of Cruel Summer either in late April or early May and follow that up with the release of a deluxe edition and push one or two singles off of that, because I doubt she'd want to disappear for a year or longer until TS8. That'd only lead to her having less momentum to start off her next era with.

Honestly, while I know that a remix would probably be necessary for chart success, I honestly would want to hear the original. It’s one of the best songs off of Lover.

Do we know what was played the most on radio between the solo version of Lover and the Shawn Mendes remix? I think that's her only recent remix that gave a significant boost but I don't think any of her fans were here for it. 

I know that for YNTCD and Delicate the versions I was hearing on my local radio stations were the originals.

[musicspy]

Lover was not a bad single choice, just not in the middle of August. Imo she should ve kept the video and radio push for a week or two after the album, a la Ariana's Breathin. YNTCD was still pretty strong in August anyways. I don't think The Man is radio friendly or catchy at all for a single, and will be saying this until she does; release AFTERGLOW. Its this album's Delicate. Its memorable, has a likeable sad vibe like Memories and SYL, and was never one of the popular album tracks with hundrends of millions of streams. Im sure at least radio and Itunes would back it up, without a remix or promo.

[Marooned@Midnight]

It’s hard to take people seriously when they suggest a different direction due to lackluster performance following the worldwide number 2 selling album of the year. Not everything is about single success, which I think we all agree could have been handled differently. I think the takeaway is that despite the self-sabotage that some of the choices were, the album is still one of the most impactful of the year and sold millions of copies.

[jessutation]

Mar 23, 2020 6:23:41 GMT -5 Marooned@Midnight said:

It’s hard to take people seriously when they suggest a different direction due to lackluster performance following the worldwide number 2 selling album of the year. Not everything is about single success, which I think we all agree could have been handled differently. I think the takeaway is that despite the self-sabotage that some of the choices were, the album is still one of the most impactful of the year and sold millions of copies.

single success matters a lot. It actually helps to stabilize an album and keep the sales steady.

[neverduplicated]

I don't think "Lover" was a bad single choice at all. While it didn't light the charts on fire, it received universal critical acclaim and love from fans, plus the album performed extremely well while "Lover" was the single. On top of that, it showed a different side of the album from the first two singles which is important for building interest in an album. There have been tons of singles that didn't do that well on the Hot 100 but pushed their respective albums to great success. In general, I think people are overly dramatic about the single choices from this era. YNTCD and Lover were both great single choices IMO, and honestly I don't think Me! was as bad of a choice as people make it out to be as I think it did set the tone for a new era in which Taylor is all about self-love and making peace with the drama in her life. The track could've done with a little work to make it stronger, but it actually turned out to be a decent hit, and I absolutely adore the over-the-top Lisa Frank video. I think the album does have a lot of single-worthy songs, but honestly I'm not sure any song would've been a runaway smash hit except maybe Cruel Summer, but even that I'm not sure would be as big as people think it would.

It feels weird to say this considering Taylor has a ton of hit singles, but she has and will always be more of an album artist. Her debut album, Speak Now, and even to some degree reputation did not have huge smash hit singles, and yet the albums were incredibly successful. Lover follows this tradition. People need to realize that Taylor has only had 3 eras with huge smash hits - Fearless, Red, and 1989. You might argue reputation since LWYMMD was initially smash hit, though didn't have much longevity.

[kanimal]

Mar 23, 2020 6:23:41 GMT -5 Marooned@Midnight said:

It’s hard to take people seriously when they suggest a different direction due to lackluster performance following the worldwide number 2 selling album of the year. Not everything is about single success, which I think we all agree could have been handled differently. I think the takeaway is that despite the self-sabotage that some of the choices were, the album is still one of the most impactful of the year and sold millions of copies.

Impact is part of the reason why the single discussion is so important. While I'm sure many artists would tell you that they'd rather have a classic album than a smash hit single, there's no denying that big songs generally have a more immediate, tangible affect on pop culture than albums.

There's something special about the way everyone recognized "I got my horses in the back" or "duh" in 2019 - "we can leave the Christmas lights on till January" wasn't anywhere near that level. Hell, I'd argue that "haters gonna hate hate hate" and "shake it off" are still more top-of-mind than just about anything from the Lover album.

Yes, Taylor has made it clear that she's invested in the art and identity behind her music - and isn't going to completely sell out / lose herself just to get a viral, #1 hit. But I think it would be crazy to suggest she DOESN'T care about making an impact with her songs. "ME!" clearly felt like an attempt to loop back the Shake It Off fans who weren't as into the Reputation vibe. Lover was her attempt at a timeless wedding song. If not smashes on the charts, You Need To Calm Down and The Man were at least supposed to make major social impacts. None of the songs lived up to those goals.

And you can even make the case that her 2014 transition to pop was, at least in part, a way to ensure her songs "went farther" across the globe.

Now, if this was some artistic classic of an album, I think some of the single issues could be overlooked. But while everyone likes it, I don't know that many (once they hype wore down) are seriously saying this is a career album for her. It didn't do well at the Grammys either.

- To be fair, none of this is TOO relevant for right now, because whether Cruel Summer is a single or not, it's almost certainly not going to be a Love Story, Shake It Off or Blank Space caliber hit. But it is a reason why it makes sense to scrutinize (and criticize) the strategy and direction of an artist who still sells a crazy number of albums.

[Future Captain]

i finally watched the phonecall video and christ, that's the most uncomfortable phonecall I've ever seen in my life.

[Choco]

Kim took the time to respond again... honestly this is so f**king old that I wish everyone would stop speaking about it.

"Famous" wishes it was 1/10th as iconic as reputation.

[Deleted]

As hard as it is to say, I understand Kim’s point in this. The new video didn’t release anything that wasn’t known from the previous video already. Kanye never brought up calling her a bitch in the song and that was clear from the previous video and Taylor also never warned Kanye against releasing the song based on the content. Both parties and the world just need to forget about this, as even though this is classic Kanye being unlikeable, it gives the impression that Taylor is still hung up on this whole irrelevant thing anyway and thus it hurts both of them.

[Deleted]

Kanye can’t be cancelled, if he could it would’ve happened a long time ago but his fans and his impact are just too powerful that it’s just pointless. Taylor and her fans just needs to forget he exists again and move on.

[Koochie]

Well, if the world is going to end, I’m glad the truth came out first. ♥️