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Post by MissAmericana on Mar 24, 2020 0:22:01 GMT -5
Kim not knowing that we can see her Twitter likes and accusing Taylor of being the first one to adress it instead of bringing attention to the people suffering due to the COVID-19 outbreak (which Taylor did indeed bring attention to, twice, and asked people to donate unlike Kim who sat on her ass and made 9 tweets about the drama) will forever be my favourite dumb celebrity moment.
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Post by Kinney on Mar 24, 2020 1:07:36 GMT -5
Miss Tree ending Kim. How is Kim going to be a lawyer when she doesn't understand what the word "edit" means?  |
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Post by jessutation on Mar 24, 2020 1:11:07 GMT -5
It’s hard to take people seriously when they suggest a different direction due to lackluster performance following the worldwide number 2 selling album of the year. Not everything is about single success, which I think we all agree could have been handled differently. I think the takeaway is that despite the self-sabotage that some of the choices were, the album is still one of the most impactful of the year and sold millions of copies. Impact is part of the reason why the single discussion is so important. While I'm sure many artists would tell you that they'd rather have a classic album than a smash hit single, there's no denying that big songs generally have a more immediate, tangible affect on pop culture than albums. There's something special about the way everyone recognized "I got my horses in the back" or "duh" in 2019 - "we can leave the Christmas lights on till January" wasn't anywhere near that level. Hell, I'd argue that "haters gonna hate hate hate" and "shake it off" are still more top-of-mind than just about anything from the Lover album. Yes, Taylor has made it clear that she's invested in the art and identity behind her music - and isn't going to completely sell out / lose herself just to get a viral, #1 hit. But I think it would be crazy to suggest she DOESN'T care about making an impact with her songs. "ME!" clearly felt like an attempt to loop back the Shake It Off fans who weren't as into the Reputation vibe. Lover was her attempt at a timeless wedding song. If not smashes on the charts, You Need To Calm Down and The Man were at least supposed to make major social impacts. None of the songs lived up to those goals. And you can even make the case that her 2014 transition to pop was, at least in part, a way to ensure her songs "went farther" across the globe. Now, if this was some artistic classic of an album, I think some of the single issues could be overlooked. But while everyone likes it, I don't know that many (once they hype wore down) are seriously saying this is a career album for her. It didn't do well at the Grammys either. - To be fair, none of this is TOO relevant for right now, because whether Cruel Summer is a single or not, it's almost certainly not going to be a Love Story, Shake It Off or Blank Space caliber hit. But it is a reason why it makes sense to scrutinize (and criticize) the strategy and direction of an artist who still sells a crazy number of albums. Well said! |
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Post by Lumi on Mar 24, 2020 1:55:12 GMT -5
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Post by born on Mar 24, 2020 2:12:51 GMT -5
Oh my God not this again...
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Post by jessutation on Mar 24, 2020 2:30:14 GMT -5
Oh my God not this again... The Press is ON it! Literally just type "Taylor Swift" or "Kim Kardashian" on Google and there's already countless articles about it, lol. |
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Post by ificanthaveyou on Mar 24, 2020 3:24:58 GMT -5
As hard as it is to say, I understand Kim’s point in this. The new video didn’t release anything that wasn’t known from the previous video already. Kanye never brought up calling her a bitch in the song and that was clear from the previous video and Taylor also never warned Kanye against releasing the song based on the content. Both parties and the world just need to forget about this, as even though this is classic Kanye being unlikeable, it gives the impression that Taylor is still hung up on this whole irrelevant thing anyway and thus it hurts both of them. I bet you like Trump |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2020 5:49:27 GMT -5
As hard as it is to say, I understand Kim’s point in this. The new video didn’t release anything that wasn’t known from the previous video already. Kanye never brought up calling her a bitch in the song and that was clear from the previous video and Taylor also never warned Kanye against releasing the song based on the content. Both parties and the world just need to forget about this, as even though this is classic Kanye being unlikeable, it gives the impression that Taylor is still hung up on this whole irrelevant thing anyway and thus it hurts both of them. I bet you like Trump Lol, what would make you think that? Because I'm not flat out defending Taylor at all odds and because I'm taking a middle of the road view of it all? I have no horse in this race. Nice reasoning. |
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Post by jessutation on Mar 24, 2020 6:06:44 GMT -5
As hard as it is to say, I understand Kim’s point in this. The new video didn’t release anything that wasn’t known from the previous video already. Kanye never brought up calling her a bitch in the song and that was clear from the previous video and Taylor also never warned Kanye against releasing the song based on the content. Both parties and the world just need to forget about this, as even though this is classic Kanye being unlikeable, it gives the impression that Taylor is still hung up on this whole irrelevant thing anyway and thus it hurts both of them. I understand where you're coming from, but saying that the new leaks didn't "prove anything that wasn't known from the previous video..." is a little tired. In Kim K's edited part it shows Taylor saying "Go with whatever line you'd like best" making everyone (including myself at the time) believe that Taylor approved the "Sex" line and "B**ch" line. It's a thing called perception, and Kim used her manipulative actions to make everyone assume that was the case when in the newer video Taylor said "Go with whatever line you'd like best" in response to " Taylor Swift might owe me sex/might still have sex". Also, she was so obviously uncomfortable in that phone call that even Kanye had to ask why she sounded sad into which she said "Is it mean?"...."I thought it was gonna be like...oh, you dumb stupid b**ch!"...which, in the end, validates her. She still didn't want to promote the song because she said it felt a little misogynistic. In the end, YES, both parties need to just let this whole situation DIE! but it doesn't make it seem like Taylor is hung up on old drama, its just more of the Kardashians fishing for something to promote their upcoming new season...hmm, isn't that a little bit of a coincidence how it leaked just in time for that? |
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Post by spiritboy on Mar 24, 2020 6:13:25 GMT -5
She should sue Kim for defamation.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2020 6:20:32 GMT -5
As hard as it is to say, I understand Kim’s point in this. The new video didn’t release anything that wasn’t known from the previous video already. Kanye never brought up calling her a bitch in the song and that was clear from the previous video and Taylor also never warned Kanye against releasing the song based on the content. Both parties and the world just need to forget about this, as even though this is classic Kanye being unlikeable, it gives the impression that Taylor is still hung up on this whole irrelevant thing anyway and thus it hurts both of them. I understand where you're coming from, but saying that the new leaks didn't "prove anything that wasn't known from the previous video..." is a little tired. In Kim K's edited part it shows Taylor saying "Go with whatever line you'd like best" making everyone (including myself at the time) believe that Taylor approved the "Sex" line and "B**ch" line. It's a thing called perception, and Kim used her manipulative actions to make everyone assume that was the case when in the newer video Taylor said "Go with whatever line you'd like best" in response to " Taylor Swift might owe me sex/might still have sex". Also, she was so obviously uncomfortable in that phone call that even Kanye had to ask why she sounded sad into which she said "Is it mean?"...."I thought it was gonna be like...oh, you dumb stupid b**ch!"...which, in the end, validates her. She still didn't want to promote the song because she said it felt a little misogynistic. In the end, YES, both parties need to just let this whole situation DIE! but it doesn't make it seem like Taylor is hung up on old drama, its just more of the Kardashians fishing for something to promote their upcoming new season...hmm, isn't that a little bit of a coincidence how it leaked just in time for that? It’s pretty obvious that it was leaked for publicity, I don’t know how anyone outside of that Kardashian party could have obtained this footage. My original point was that even though Kanye can be a shitty person, I don’t think this footage does what a lot of Taylor Swift supporters think it does - end Kanye’s career (cancel him). He’s done much more questionable things than this, and while I’m sure it’s most likely very relieving for Taylor to see this video out, it’s probably better if she just lets it go and, like I said, forget that he exists again. |
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Post by jessutation on Mar 24, 2020 6:31:23 GMT -5
I understand where you're coming from, but saying that the new leaks didn't "prove anything that wasn't known from the previous video..." is a little tired. In Kim K's edited part it shows Taylor saying "Go with whatever line you'd like best" making everyone (including myself at the time) believe that Taylor approved the "Sex" line and "B**ch" line. It's a thing called perception, and Kim used her manipulative actions to make everyone assume that was the case when in the newer video Taylor said "Go with whatever line you'd like best" in response to " Taylor Swift might owe me sex/might still have sex". Also, she was so obviously uncomfortable in that phone call that even Kanye had to ask why she sounded sad into which she said "Is it mean?"...."I thought it was gonna be like...oh, you dumb stupid b**ch!"...which, in the end, validates her. She still didn't want to promote the song because she said it felt a little misogynistic. In the end, YES, both parties need to just let this whole situation DIE! but it doesn't make it seem like Taylor is hung up on old drama, its just more of the Kardashians fishing for something to promote their upcoming new season...hmm, isn't that a little bit of a coincidence how it leaked just in time for that? It’s pretty obvious that it was leaked for publicity, I don’t know how anyone outside of that Kardashian party could have obtained this footage. My original point was that even though Kanye can be a s**tty person, I don’t think this footage does what a lot of Taylor Swift supporters think it does - end Kanye’s career (cancel him). He’s done much more questionable things than this, and while I’m sure it’s most likely very relieving for Taylor to see this video out, it’s probably better if she just lets it go and, like I said, forget that he exists again. Agreed, but the same time I'm craving for Taylor to tweet out something and start a whole war again whew! Twitter's been real boring lately. |
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Post by Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815... on Mar 24, 2020 8:34:05 GMT -5
I know there’s bigger and more important things happening around the world right now, but I needed this. Thanks for the escape.
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Post by cjay on Mar 24, 2020 9:05:19 GMT -5
Glad Taylor’s camp came with receipts! Taylor is definitely vindicated for not lying. Put Kim K in her place.
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Post by deepston on Mar 24, 2020 12:55:38 GMT -5
It's so funny to see Kim spiraling downhill with her tweets. The replies by swifities are lowkey iconic.
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Post by ificanthaveyou on Mar 24, 2020 14:03:18 GMT -5
Glad Taylor’s camp came with receipts! Taylor is definitely vindicated for not lying. Put Kim K in her place. It’s like not Taylor’s camp. Everyone assumes it’s someone Kimye pissed off, like his sister. I’m in that mindset as well, because Taylor would have posted this video if she had it earlier to defend herself. |
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Post by cjay on Mar 24, 2020 20:01:09 GMT -5
Glad Taylor’s camp came with receipts! Taylor is definitely vindicated for not lying. Put Kim K in her place. It’s like not Taylor’s camp. Everyone assumes it’s someone Kimye pissed off, like his sister. I’m in that mindset as well, because Taylor would have posted this video if she had it earlier to defend herself. Oh. I meant her publicist that responded when Kim tried to insist Taylor lied. I like how she came with her original tweet. Once again Sticking it to Kim! |
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Post by 🅳🅸🆂🅲🅾 on Mar 24, 2020 20:05:10 GMT -5
As hard as it is to say, I understand Kim’s point in this. The new video didn’t release anything that wasn’t known from the previous video already. Kanye never brought up calling her a bitch in the song and that was clear from the previous video and Taylor also never warned Kanye against releasing the song based on the content. Both parties and the world just need to forget about this, as even though this is classic Kanye being unlikeable, it gives the impression that Taylor is still hung up on this whole irrelevant thing anyway and thus it hurts both of them. Oh please. Get off your knees and put your tongue back in your mouth and stop blindly worshiping Kim. |
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Post by jessutation on Mar 24, 2020 20:12:09 GMT -5
I really see Taylor servicing "London Boy" as the next single in the UK ...say by June.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2020 20:24:19 GMT -5
As hard as it is to say, I understand Kim’s point in this. The new video didn’t release anything that wasn’t known from the previous video already. Kanye never brought up calling her a bitch in the song and that was clear from the previous video and Taylor also never warned Kanye against releasing the song based on the content. Both parties and the world just need to forget about this, as even though this is classic Kanye being unlikeable, it gives the impression that Taylor is still hung up on this whole irrelevant thing anyway and thus it hurts both of them. Oh please. Get off your knees and put your tongue back in your mouth and stop blindly worshiping Kim. Oh please. You’re delusional if you think I’m ‘blindly worshipping’ Kim freaking Kardashian. I don’t care about any of these people personally in the slightest. Maybe if you knew how to read my posts without getting worked up and understood that just because I’m not flat out defending Taylor, because, like I said, I don’t have a horse in this race, you wouldn’t make such dumb, angry and biased comments. Goodbye. |
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Post by Marooned@Midnight on Mar 24, 2020 20:30:53 GMT -5
I’ve decided that there is a plague upon this entire board that unfortunately frequents several threads that I do. Dupe account and all. It’s so 2015 (ish?).
Anyway when is the adds date for Cruel Summer because the time is fucking ripe.
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Post by Choco on Mar 24, 2020 21:39:32 GMT -5
lmao this thread is more interesting than the music video for The Man, not gonna lie.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2020 0:49:09 GMT -5
So what do we think is coming July 20? There's no way she put that date for decoration
Anyways, I hope Cruel Summer still happens. It will reach 200m on Spotify as an album track but making it a single would push it further
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Post by matty005 on Mar 25, 2020 9:45:27 GMT -5
So what do we think is coming July 20? There's no way she put that date for decoration Anyways, I hope Cruel Summer still happens. It will reach 200m on Spotify as an album track but making it a single would push it further I don’t think anything. If there was, I think with all this going on right now nixed it anyway. I predict the next, “news,” we hear from Taylor will be the postponement/cancellation of her festivals. |
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Post by bornfearless2000 on Mar 26, 2020 3:22:05 GMT -5
AngeLor swift has been donating $3000 to her fan, who is strugging financially due to Coronavirus. So far, she’s donated to 5 people, thats fifteen freaking thousand dollar. From her pocket. In less than 24 hours.
In case you need other reason to love her..
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Post by ificanthaveyou on Mar 26, 2020 13:46:20 GMT -5
AngeLor swift has been donating $3000 to her fan, who is strugging financially due to Coronavirus. So far, she’s donated to 5 people, thats fifteen freaking thousand dollar. From her pocket. In less than 24 hours. In case you need other reason to love her.. Who else does this... she is a saint. I remember when Demi Lovato was trying to shade her when she donated to Keshas attorney fees, but financial support is one of the most important things during crisis like these. Taylor is just a good hearted person. I haven’t even heard about her donations, which is a testament to her doing it from her heart and not for clout. |
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Post by nickd on Mar 28, 2020 20:21:12 GMT -5
Great playlist she's curated for Women's History Month.
You can definitely hear the influence of a lot of those songs on her first three albums and unreleased songs.
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Post by born on Mar 29, 2020 6:50:57 GMT -5
It's been four months and I'm still thinking about this: RE: Taylor Swift - "Beautiful Ghosts"This is probably her best vocal performance ever on a recorded song. The last note is incredible.  |
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Post by Okay on Mar 29, 2020 10:55:47 GMT -5
It's been four months and I'm still thinking about this: RE: Taylor Swift - "Beautiful Ghosts"This is probably her best vocal performance ever on a recorded song. The last note is incredible. Beautiful Ghosts is beautiful. I need more Andrew Lloyd Webber x Taylor Swift in my life. |
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Post by spiritboy on Mar 30, 2020 5:38:52 GMT -5
Beautiful Ghosts is amazing and so underrated.
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