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Post by McCreerian (Harris 2024!) on Aug 17, 2019 10:51:19 GMT -5
Half hour in and the song is still not working on Apple Music USA. Funny seeing the Swifties freak out on Twitter and threaten Apple. I heard it on Youtube but really Apple better not do this when the album drops or Steve Jobs may have a yard full of them out for his blood! lol! Edit... they finally got it working, Swifties win again! You know Steve Jobs died 8 years ago, right? Oops wow I’m an idiot for that one. |
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Post by 👑 Eloquent ™ on Aug 17, 2019 14:59:34 GMT -5
"Lover" debuts at #1 earning 1.853 million streams in US its first day.
"The Archer", "You Need To Calm Down", and "Me" all experience bumps as a result.
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Post by Hefty Hanna on Aug 18, 2019 8:10:06 GMT -5
‘Lover’ is probably one of her best songs. It’s everything I love and have missed about Taylor.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Aug 18, 2019 16:17:33 GMT -5
Lover is the best possible song Taylor could release right now and it should have come so much sooner than it did. Songs like Me!, Look What You Made Me Do, Ready For It, You Need To Calm Down, etc, are fine and dandy for instant (albeit short-term success) but songs like Delicate and Lover are meant for the longterm and I think she's at a point right now where the Me's and Calm Down's are cheapening her legacy. Lover should have been the first single and while it might not have been an instant success the way Me was, I think it could have helped toward a much needed rebrand. The song itself is beautiful and probably the best I've heard from her since 1989 at least, but it's also reminiscent of her earlier sound, without the country of course but I think it's something her former country fans could get on board with without completely dropping the newer fans. To me it sounds like a mix of Fade Into You by Mazzy Star with Already Gone by Kelly Clarkson blended with some of Taylor's old material.
This is the type of music that will help her in the long run and if her album is made of more songs with this level of quality, it's an automatic buy from me.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Aug 18, 2019 16:54:01 GMT -5
"Lover" has a hint of country to it in spots, so would be interesting to see if country radio would give it some play. "New Year's Day" made it No. 41 on Country Airplay.
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Post by deepston on Aug 18, 2019 17:00:56 GMT -5
It would be nice to release a more upbeat song and "Lover" as singles when the album comes out like "Shape Of You" and "Castle On The Hill". I think "Lover" has a lot of potential but I don't want her to waste album release week on a slow-burn song. Releasing 2 singles would be a great strategy.
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Post by Janhova's Witness on Aug 18, 2019 23:18:10 GMT -5
Lover is now the 6th top selling digital album of all time by a Western artist on QQ music with over 160,000 pre-orders. It was also released on their second biggest digital platform today - NetEase - and reached over 70,000 pre-orders there. Overall top selling digital albums of all time by Western albums across all major Chinese platforms. 1. reputation - 1,559,608 (20¥) 2. 1989 - 1,510,652 (19¥) 3. Kamikaze - 471,136 (20¥) 4. Evolve - 394,690 (20¥) 5. Bloom - 383,300 (20¥) 6. Thank U Next - 363,514 (20¥) 7. Revival - 349,593 (20¥) 8. Red Pill Blues - 313,841 (20¥) 9. Anti - 309,210 (15¥) 10. Origins - 280,867 (20¥) 11. Divide - 256,402 (18¥) 12. Lover - 242,943 (20¥) 13. Dangerous Woman - 238,780 (20¥) 14. Voicenotes - 238,237 (12¥) 15. Sweetener - 159,499 (20¥) 16. Witness - 146,864 (20¥) 17. The Thrill Of It All - 135,830 (20¥) 18. Queen - 139,716 (20¥) 19. Melodrama - 126,256 (20¥) 20. Head Above Water - 124,040 (20¥) Now that Lover is available on all major platforms it should rise up that list quite quickly. Although it hasn't sold as many copies as Anti and Divide, it already outgrossed them since those albums are cheaper. Well it's good for Taylor that whatever declines may be happening in the Western markets, the Chinese market is booming... I realize that the sales numbers are over one and a half million and that’s great, but I wouldn’t exactly call it a booming market. That’s one-tenth of 1% of the population of China. |
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Post by Kinney on Aug 19, 2019 6:33:29 GMT -5
I think that's what they mean by a "booming market".
These are the current numbers she's pulling which are already significant, and they're getting bigger and bigger as time goes along. The (legal) music market in China is ready to explode, similar to how China has become the most important market outside the US for movies.
Taylor is by far the biggest western artist in the country (and most of Asia really), so she's really set up in a good spot for the future.
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Post by deepston on Aug 19, 2019 11:58:52 GMT -5
HDD is predicting 700-800k in Pure Sales (200-250k digital and 500-550k physical).
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Post by Taylor. on Aug 19, 2019 12:16:04 GMT -5
HDD is predicting 700-800k in Pure Sales (200-250k digital and 500-550k physical). I see the 200-250k digital part but where do they forecast 500-500k physical? |
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Post by Choco on Aug 19, 2019 12:43:56 GMT -5
800k on Pure Sales puts her close to 1m SPS, but apparently she needs streams comparable to thank u, next for that? That's not gonna happen.
I always forget that "massive" streams can ever hardly account for more thna 200k on SPS.
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Post by 👑 Eloquent ™ on Aug 19, 2019 12:44:34 GMT -5
She is not hitting 1 million SPS this era. I am thinking 7-800k. There will most definitely be those calling anything less than a million+ debut for Taylor a flop, even by today's standards. Lol
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Post by kanimal on Aug 19, 2019 12:44:53 GMT -5
HDD is predicting 700-800k in Pure Sales (200-250k digital and 500-550k physical). I see the 200-250k digital part but where do they forecast 500-500k physical? I believe they're extrapolating that from the last paragraph, in which Hits says "Lover" would have to do the same # of streams as "Thank U, Next" to have a shot at 1 million. TUN did 228K in SEA. So if you take 200-250K in digital and 228K in streaming, you're left with about 550K units to come from physical sales and track sales. |
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Post by AP on Aug 19, 2019 14:25:19 GMT -5
Pitchfork reviewed her first five albums today, for whatever reason. to capitalize off the easy clicks from Swifties. |
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Post by kimberly on Aug 19, 2019 14:28:07 GMT -5
Pitchfork reviewed her first five albums today, for whatever reason. to capitalize off the easy clicks from Swifties. Swifties trail only BTS stans in this department lol they see Taylor they click very easy |
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Post by ampersand on Aug 19, 2019 15:16:13 GMT -5
Pitchfork reviewed her first five albums today, for whatever reason. I can't help but think that this is in part a response to Taylor's Vogue profile. In the portion of the article where Taylor and the interviewer discuss sexism in the industry, the writer states, "I stared into space for a good long while when I was reminded that Pitchfork did not review Taylor Swift’s 1989 but did review Ryan Adams’s cover album of Taylor Swift’s 1989." |
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Post by Ivy Leegue™ on Aug 19, 2019 16:28:17 GMT -5
Pitchfork reviewed her first five albums today, for whatever reason. I can't help but think that this is in part a response to Taylor's Vogue profile. In the portion of the article where Taylor and the interviewer discuss sexism in the industry, the writer states, "I stared into space for a good long while when I was reminded that Pitchfork did not review Taylor Swift’s 1989 but did review Ryan Adams’s cover album of Taylor Swift’s 1989."Bingo. Also, when they have ignored a culturally significant artist's oeuvre out of innate snobbery, they go back and deep dive before a new album comes out. |
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Post by theflying on Aug 19, 2019 23:44:27 GMT -5
NOTE: I have not heard Lover (am waiting).
Is anyone else suspecting the album is actually going to be...ready for it...somewhat singer-songwriter-y like Red?
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Post by 👑 Eloquent ™ on Aug 20, 2019 0:28:05 GMT -5
NOTE: I have not heard Lover (am waiting). Is anyone else suspecting the album is actually going to be...ready for it...somewhat singer-songwriter-y like Red? I am getting much more Speak Now vibes. |
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Post by theflying on Aug 20, 2019 0:38:32 GMT -5
NOTE: I have not heard Lover (am waiting). Is anyone else suspecting the album is actually going to be...ready for it...somewhat singer-songwriter-y like Red? I am getting much more Speak Now vibes. In what way? (Also how do you see Speak Now as different from Red?) |
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Post by justlurkingaround on Aug 20, 2019 0:45:02 GMT -5
Lover gives me a Speak Now vibe. I wonder if they’re going to push it to country radio (especially with a video already done).
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Post by Choco on Aug 20, 2019 0:51:42 GMT -5
I don't see why they would waste resources on country radio when there's nothing country about her now. The song is pop, the label is no longer country-led and most importantly country won't accept her easily now. (See also: New Year's Day's push to country)
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Post by 👑 Eloquent ™ on Aug 20, 2019 1:13:19 GMT -5
I don't see why they would waste resources on country radio when there's nothing country about her now. The song is pop, the label is no longer country-led and most importantly country won't accept her easily now. (See also: New Year's Day's push to country) "New Year's Day" sounded less country than "Lover" IMO and didn't get any push outside of an adds date. If country/rap is a thing I don't see how "Lover" would fare so terribly. |
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Post by Hefty Hanna on Aug 20, 2019 4:18:28 GMT -5
tbh (other than SN not being the highest rated) this is 100% correct. |
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Post by jamatthews83 on Aug 20, 2019 4:23:19 GMT -5
I can't believe we're only 3 days away from a new Dixie Chicks song.
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Post by leonagwen on Aug 20, 2019 5:43:46 GMT -5
She needs to decide what direction she wants her music to go. Seems like shes all over the place.
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Post by bornfearless2000 on Aug 20, 2019 6:35:10 GMT -5
She needs to decide what direction she wants her music to go. Seems like shes all over the place. She’s only doing Pop and Country. What do u mean. 😐 Even if she’s doing a lot of genres, so what. Gaga and Beyonce and many other artists do that too. |
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Post by HolidayGuy on Aug 20, 2019 8:34:08 GMT -5
She had said, when 1989 came out,that if you continue to chase two rabbits, you lose (or risk losing) both of them, hence why she didn't want to have country songs on that album when the label requested three country songs. Maybe she's had a change of heart after "New Year's Day," "Better Man," "Babe," etc.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Aug 20, 2019 8:48:23 GMT -5
Does country radio still play old Taylor songs?
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