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Post by itsatravesty on May 7, 2019 10:13:38 GMT -5
I havenβt seen any Lil Nas X stans (if they even exist lol) resort to racism because their fave lost so it really isnβt the same at all. No, but I have seen them use a racism card when their fave wasn't included in a chart, so... Maybe we should learn that every artist has s**tty fans and that stan culture is problematic? And we can't judge artists based on those people? What is the racism card in relation to having problematic fans? Is being racist the same thing as thinking racism effects muisc? The equalization is weird to me. |
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Post by kierz7 on May 7, 2019 10:19:52 GMT -5
I havenβt seen any Lil Nas X stans (if they even exist lol) resort to racism because their fave lost so it really isnβt the same at all. No, but I have seen them use a racism card when their fave wasn't included in a chart, so... What "racism card" are you speaking of exactly? The fact that his song became exempt from the country charts? Then again, why am I not surprised. I'm sure in your mind whenever a Black or Ethnic Minority individual are quoting racism they're simply using the "racism card". Right? |
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Post by Au$tin on May 7, 2019 10:21:24 GMT -5
No, but I have seen them use a racism card when their fave wasn't included in a chart, so... Maybe we should learn that every artist has s**tty fans and that stan culture is problematic? And we can't judge artists based on those people? What is the racism card in relation to having problematic fans? Is being racist the same thing as thinking racism effects muisc? The equalization is weird to me. So you don't find it a problem that people will call something not racist "racist" in order to start arguments and use deep seeded issues in our society... for a chart placement? Whether they're pulling that s**t or actually saying racist comments, they both continue to drive the wedge in between races and hurt whatever issue they're supposedly supporting. So yes I do put them on equal levels of heinous. You don't have to agree with me though because that wasn't my point. Whether you find the racist comments or false race card worse or equal, it doesn't matter. What matters is that they're both gross, wrong, problematic, and show that both artists have bad seeds in their followings. And I've had enough of you completely avoiding the point of my posts to perpetuate whatever argument you want to have. Stop being negative. |
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Post by Sambalada on May 7, 2019 10:26:00 GMT -5
Billboard has decided not to include OTR on the country chart because it doesn't pass their definition of a country song and then the song's fans are saying Billboard's decision is racist for doing so. How is that not using 'the racism card'?
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Post by mackattack on May 7, 2019 11:15:58 GMT -5
I havenβt seen any Lil Nas X stans (if they even exist lol) resort to racism because their fave lost so it really isnβt the same at all. No, but I have seen them use a racism card when their fave wasn't included in a chart, so... Maybe we should learn that every artist has s**tty fans and that stan culture is problematic? And we can't judge artists based on those people? Listen. I donβt feel like getting into the racial dynamics that played into why OTR wasnβt included on the country chart, while a song like Meant To Be (both country songs with trap elements) was number one for nearly a year. However Iβm not sure how me saying that itβs not okay for a million Taylor Swift stan accounts to bombard a 20 year old kid with racial slurs is me βjudgingβ Taylor for her shitty fans lol. I also donβt see how those two instances are in any way comparable, but whatever. Anyway, even though Me! is falling, I donβt think the drop will be as dramatic as some people are saying, given how weak the top 10 is at the moment. |
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Post by ddlz on May 7, 2019 11:52:23 GMT -5
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Post by spicymapping on May 7, 2019 11:54:42 GMT -5
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Post by jenglisbe on May 7, 2019 11:56:25 GMT -5
Billboard has decided not to include OTR on the country chart because it doesn't pass their definition of a country song and then the song's fans are saying Billboard's decision is racist for doing so. How is that not using 'the racism card'? That's an overly general statement. It's at least possible that part of Billboard deciding it's not a country song is related to Lil Nas X being black/a rap artist. |
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Post by Au$tin on May 7, 2019 13:18:05 GMT -5
Billboard has decided not to include OTR on the country chart because it doesn't pass their definition of a country song and then the song's fans are saying Billboard's decision is racist for doing so. How is that not using 'the racism card'? That's an overly general statement. It's at least possible that part of Billboard deciding it's not a country song is related to Lil Nas X being black/a rap artist. Theoretically, sure, it is possible, but there really isn't anything that suggests it factually and irrefutably was like so many claim. |
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Post by jenglisbe on May 7, 2019 13:19:59 GMT -5
That's an overly general statement. It's at least possible that part of Billboard deciding it's not a country song is related to Lil Nas X being black/a rap artist. Theoretically, sure, it is possible, but there really isn't anything that suggests it factually and irrefutably was like so many claim. Well, I'm more of the mind that it's unconscious/indirect. As in, I think Florida Georgia Line doing the same song over the same production would chart as country. One could argue that would be more genre bias than about race, but if you look at a lot of what constitutes genre for people, it has to do with race so...And all of that is separate from whether or not "OTR" is actually country in its production. |
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Post by areyoureadytojump on May 7, 2019 13:30:41 GMT -5
New Ed Sheeran single with Justin Bieber out Friday!
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Post by π‘πππππ€ on May 7, 2019 16:09:54 GMT -5
New Ed Sheeran single with Justin Bieber out Friday! It is going to be very interesting to see if they can take OTR, or if OTR is just too big. |
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Post by ddlz on May 7, 2019 16:24:57 GMT -5
This will be the (surprise) song of the summer!
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Post by kimberly on May 7, 2019 18:54:31 GMT -5
What is the racism card in relation to having problematic fans? Is being racist the same thing as thinking racism effects muisc? The equalization is weird to me. So you don't find it a problem that people will call something not racist "racist" in order to start arguments and use deep seeded issues in our society... for a chart placement? Whether they're pulling that s**t or actually saying racist comments, they both continue to drive the wedge in between races and hurt whatever issue they're supposedly supporting. So yes I do put them on equal levels of heinous. You don't have to agree with me though because that wasn't my point. Whether you find the racist comments or false race card worse or equal, it doesn't matter. What matters is that they're both gross, wrong, problematic, and show that both artists have bad seeds in their followings. This whole "we should stop seeing color" idea does not work, and is a racist approach in and of itself. "OTR" is no less country than "Meant To Be", but one ruled the chart for a full year and the other was forbidden from charting after rising too fast. I think the reason why people use this so-called "race card" (which, again, is a racist term whites use to oppress POC speaking out), is that Billboard's decision to remove the song from the chart, even though they could've meant no harm, was an inherently racist one. No black person had an issue with OTR's placement, but the idea that it is not allowed to even compete. A similar mindset to that of having a "whites-only" bathroom or sending black people to the back of the bus. I'm not saying you are racist or trying to bash you, but want to tell you that while it would be great to have a society where different races had an equal playing field, we are not there yet. And these conversations around race/"race card" if you want to call it that, are the only way we can work our way there. |
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Post by kcdawg13 on May 7, 2019 18:54:42 GMT -5
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Post by ddlz on May 7, 2019 19:13:47 GMT -5
I hope dj khaled x post malone will release this week. It's Dj Khaled feat. Travis Scott & Post Malone. The song is called "No Love Lost"(there's a lq version out there, just search for it). |
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Post by imbondz on May 7, 2019 19:14:08 GMT -5
Billboard has decided not to include OTR on the country chart because it doesn't pass their definition of a country song and then the song's fans are saying Billboard's decision is racist for doing so. How is that not using 'the racism card'? That's an overly general statement. It's at least possible that part of Billboard deciding it's not a country song is related to Lil Nas X being black/a rap artist. No itβs not possible. Rap is not country no matter how many country singers you have on it. It has nothing to do with the color of his skin. Lionel Ritchie charted on the country charts with Stuck On You because it was country enough and got a bunch of country AirPlay. It had nothing to do with the color of his skin. |
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Post by Naos on May 7, 2019 19:22:08 GMT -5
So you don't find it a problem that people will call something not racist "racist" in order to start arguments and use deep seeded issues in our society... for a chart placement? Whether they're pulling that s**t or actually saying racist comments, they both continue to drive the wedge in between races and hurt whatever issue they're supposedly supporting. So yes I do put them on equal levels of heinous. You don't have to agree with me though because that wasn't my point. Whether you find the racist comments or false race card worse or equal, it doesn't matter. What matters is that they're both gross, wrong, problematic, and show that both artists have bad seeds in their followings. This whole "we should stop seeing color" idea does not work, and is a racist approach in and of itself. "OTR" is no less country than "Meant To Be", but one ruled the chart for a full year and the other was forbidden from charting after rising too fast. I think the reason why people use this so-called "race card" (which, again, is a racist term whites use to oppress POC speaking out), is that Billboard's decision to remove the song from the chart, even though they could've meant no harm, was an inherently racist one. No black person had an issue with OTR's placement, but the idea that it is not allowed to even compete. A similar mindset to that of having a "whites-only" bathroom or sending black people to the back of the bus. I'm not saying you are racist or trying to bash you, but want to tell you that while it would be great to have a society where different races had an equal playing field, we are not there yet. And these conversations around race/"race card" if you want to call it that, are the only way we can work our way there. Except if it was racist, the song wouldn't have charted in the first place. It wasn't "inherently racist" by any means. I don't see why a black person would have to have issues with it for it to be removed. Hell, a black person (Jimmie Allen) just debuted on the Hot Country Songs chart this week, and there's Kane Brown in the Top 5. He's not a country artist, he's not promoted by country labels, there's nothing much country about it, and it doesn't appear country fans are the ones consuming it. And they are right in that, claiming racism towards things that aren't actually racist is going to increase racial issues. Racism is a problem in all societies, and making a mockery of it by bitching about a chart removal that wasn't racist is asinine. It's like those people who call criticizing a black artist racist, or assume it's rooted in racism, when it often is not. They labeled the song as country so it wouldn't have to compete with hip-hop, but rather with country. So it makes sense it shouldn't be allowed when its label was nothing but a marketing ploy intended to reduce competition for the song. |
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Post by rimetm on May 7, 2019 19:27:34 GMT -5
The way I see it, Meant to Be is more country than Old Town Road because it has original instrumentation produced and written by a country alum (David Garcia, who did songs for Kip Moore and Carrie Underwood) and has country artists on it (Florida Georgia Line). Old Town Road's instrumentation, the closest sonic thing it has to being country, is sampled from an industrial song, and the performer is not a country artist in the slightest (he's made no stones about what the upcoming project's gonna look like, and it ain't country, that's for sure). There was a possible in once Billy Ray's remix was released, as now it had a country artist on it at least if the radio wanted to play it. However, it turned out that the initial burst in play for the original was just due to syndication and country radio doesn't consider Billy Ray an adequate enough draw for them to play a not-Country song.
People claim keeping OTR off is racism, but I consider the opposite scenario to be what's happening. There wasn't even a hint of clamor for, say, Kelsea Ballerini's "This Feeling" with The Chainsmokers to be on the Country chart. It's got guitars, it's got a Country singer, its claim to being Country is just as valid as OTR's, but here people knew that Dance/Electronic was the correct classification. It's only once an underdog narrative could be crafted for OTR that people cared in this instance.
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Post by wjr15 on May 7, 2019 20:10:06 GMT -5
Oh look, a Hot 100 thread where the argument over whether OTR not being labeled country is racist or not. If this ain't deja vu for the 5th or 6th time.
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Post by Abbaschand on May 7, 2019 20:45:33 GMT -5
To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Old Town Road. The country elements is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of theoretical physics most of the jokes will go over a typical listener's head. There's also Lil Nas X's nihilistic outlook, which is deftly woven into his verse - his personal philosophy draws heavily from Narodnaya Volya literature, for instance. The fans understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of these lyrics, to realize that they're not just funny - they say something deep about LIFE. As a consequence people who dislike Old Town Road truly ARE idiots - of course they wouldn't appreciate, for instance, the humour in Lil Nas X's existencial catchphrase "I Got the Horses in the Back," which itself is a cryptic reference to Turgenev's Russian epic Fathers and Sons. I'm smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion as Lil Nas X's genius unfolds itself on their television screens. What fools... how I pity them. π
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Post by fhas on May 7, 2019 20:49:12 GMT -5
I wish we were discussing how Old Town Road's weeks at #1 have been legendary.
After three weeks of absolute domination, OTR added another feat to its insane chart run: blocking a Taylor Swift lead single.
This week, (I was wrong and...) it won't even need a video to double the points of the #2 again (fourth non-consecutive week) and if that JB/Ed song somehow is a flop, OTR will be the first song since Candle In The Wind with five "2:1" weeks.
In the future, when we talk about dominant #1s of the 2010s, Old Town Road will be the third song in the conversation (Harlem Shake, Hello, OTR...).
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Post by Mauricio on May 7, 2019 21:55:57 GMT -5
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Post by moonlite on May 7, 2019 22:08:01 GMT -5
ME! is #18 on the youtube chart of two days ago It was #2 on like Thursday lmao I don't understand how it fell so hard so fast |
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Post by jodakyellow on May 7, 2019 22:14:05 GMT -5
ME! is #18 on the youtube chart of two days agoΒ Thatβs... poor Taylor :( |
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Post by tanooki on May 7, 2019 23:52:26 GMT -5
I wish we were discussing how Old Town Road's weeks at #1 have been legendary. After three weeks of absolute domination, OTR added another feat to its insane chart run: blocking a Taylor Swift lead single. This week, (I was wrong and...) it won't even need a video to double the points of the #2 again (fourth non-consecutive week) and if that JB/Ed song somehow is a flop, OTR will be the first song since Candle In The Wind with five "2:1" weeks. In the future, when we talk about dominant #1s of the 2010s, Old Town Road will be the third song in the conversation (Harlem Shake, Hello, OTR...). Honestly, if it doesnt crash and burn, I could very well see it destroying the record for weeks at #1. With how god damn weak the #1s have been these past few months, it could still be #1 in 10+ weeks from now, even if it only had 300-400 points at that time |
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Post by Naos on May 8, 2019 0:31:59 GMT -5
I wish we were discussing how Old Town Road's weeks at #1 have been legendary. After three weeks of absolute domination, OTR added another feat to its insane chart run: blocking a Taylor Swift lead single. This week, (I was wrong and...) it won't even need a video to double the points of the #2 again (fourth non-consecutive week) and if that JB/Ed song somehow is a flop, OTR will be the first song since Candle In The Wind with five "2:1" weeks. In the future, when we talk about dominant #1s of the 2010s, Old Town Road will be the third song in the conversation (Harlem Shake, Hello, OTR...). Honestly, if it doesnt crash and burn, I could very well see it destroying the record for weeks at #1. With how god damn weak the #1s have been these past few months, it could still be #1 in 10+ weeks from now, even if it only had 300-400 points at that time People seem to say this every time there's a somewhat dominant #1. |
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Post by iHype. on May 8, 2019 0:49:57 GMT -5
OTR is def not breaking the record. I give it 9-12 weeks #1 before another song swoops in.
For a song to have a fair reach at the record, it has to not peak until around it's 6th-10th week #1, then have weak competition + very small declines the remaining weeks. OTR already peaked its second week. A song isn't gonna stay 15 more weeks at #1 after its peak (the only exception would be if a song was doing like 500 million streams a week, Candle in the Wind esque numbers).
That's how Despacito, which didn't peak in points until its 7th-8th week at #1 was able to tie the record.
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