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Post by Au$tin on Aug 19, 2019 21:39:48 GMT -5
Isn't it weird that radio would wait until the adds date to start playing a brand new Katy Perry single? Especially when her previous single is no longer stealing airtime from this?
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Aug 19, 2019 21:47:46 GMT -5
Iโm trying to think of a song by a big named artist that struggled in the beginning only to end up doing super well. Iโm sure there are examples but I canโt think of any. New and lesser known artists, yes, the first few weeks obviously arenโt indicative of whatโs to come, but bigger artists, itโs often a sure bet.
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Post by Choco on Aug 19, 2019 21:55:51 GMT -5
Other than maybe P!nk's "Who Knew", which eventually got sent again after flopping and hit #1 after another song reignited her pop momentum... I don't recall any. P!nk herself eventually got a semi-respectable peak with "Walk Me Home" which got off to a super slow start too. Whether we think her lead single wandering the lower half of the chart for months instead of them moving on to another single was a good move is another discussion. And at least that had strong support over at Hot AC.
This straight up rejection has already hit Katy twice (BA and SS).
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Post by Maximillian on Aug 19, 2019 21:56:00 GMT -5
What part of your sentence reinforces โsheโs doing fineโ? Her debut positions have improved this year. Her public image has been vastly rebranded and even the "365" to "Small Talk" debuts show an improvement. No need to compare anything to "Bon Appetit" and imply she's flopping, because she isn't. Witness was a flop. This is the aftermath, and she's doing just fine. There. I thought it was obvious what I meant but if you ask nicely, you get a longer explanation. The BA comparison was because itโs been brought up by many people over 13 pages.
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Post by theflying on Aug 19, 2019 22:02:33 GMT -5
P!nkโs Who Knew...God what a time to be around this forum for. Such an amazing song and the one time an amazing song actually got the kind of justice it deserved. What a run it had.
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Post by KeepDeanWeird on Aug 19, 2019 22:28:35 GMT -5
Iโm trying to think of a song by a big named artist that struggled in the beginning only to end up doing super well. Iโm sure there are examples but I canโt think of any. New and lesser known artists, yes, the first few weeks obviously arenโt indicative of whatโs to come, but bigger artists, itโs often a sure bet. Didn't "Delicate" get off to a very slow start for a straight-up pop single by TS? But, yes, it's rare for a major artist to have single struggle and then explode. P!nk's "Who Knew" was a bit misleading because she coming off the TT era, which was preceded by Feel Good Time, which was also rejected. I believe the P!nk career revival, which then followed with a decade of major Pop hits, is unprecedented during the past 20 years. Unlike KP, P!nk was still in her 20s at that time.
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Post by Au$tin on Aug 19, 2019 22:34:11 GMT -5
Iโm trying to think of a song by a big named artist that struggled in the beginning only to end up doing super well. Iโm sure there are examples but I canโt think of any. New and lesser known artists, yes, the first few weeks obviously arenโt indicative of whatโs to come, but bigger artists, itโs often a sure bet. Didn't "Delicate" get off to a very slow start for a straight-up pop single by TS? That one can't really be compared. "Delicate" was a fourth single released after the album had already been available for awhile. Those always have slower starts. This is a straight up brand never-before-heard new track.
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Post by wavey.โจ๏ธ on Aug 19, 2019 23:05:45 GMT -5
Wow, just wow. Can't we just see how this does instead of basing everything off the inital impact?
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Post by leonagwen on Aug 19, 2019 23:09:30 GMT -5
I never said that this will be a big hit, I said that it could be a moderate hit, a song that peaks between #15 to #35 on mediabase.
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Post by SPRฮฮ on Aug 20, 2019 0:07:14 GMT -5
Itโs going to flop. There is way too much negative energy surrounding it. I canโt remember the last Katy Perry sleeper hit. Probably Dark Horse. So if a song upon release doesnโt sustain or improve its numbers day to day, its a flop. I donโt think she is ever going to escape the โeverything must hit #1โ syndrome people place upon her.
I still think this is better than Unconditionally and Bon Appetit as singles. But unlike those two, I am not excited for the video cuz it looks like another goofy one. The clip to the vertical video was cringe af.
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Post by KeepDeanWeird on Aug 20, 2019 0:19:03 GMT -5
Didn't "Delicate" get off to a very slow start for a straight-up pop single by TS? That one can't really be compared. "Delicate" was a fourth single released after the album had already been available for awhile. Those always have slower starts. This is a straight up brand never-before-heard new track. Thatโs a good point, but arenโt we really talking about radioโs acceptance? I may be wrong about early airplay, but wasnโt โDelicateโ new to radio when it was sent for adds? Even though โBlahX4โ isnโt clicking with me, I still hope it gets some traction at Pop. Itโd be a shame if the gains made by NRO were for naught.
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Post by Au$tin on Aug 20, 2019 1:10:53 GMT -5
That one can't really be compared. "Delicate" was a fourth single released after the album had already been available for awhile. Those always have slower starts. This is a straight up brand never-before-heard new track. Thatโs a good point, but arenโt we really talking about radioโs acceptance? I may be wrong about early airplay, but wasnโt โDelicateโ new to radio when it was sent for adds? Even though โBlahX4โ isnโt clicking with me, I still hope it gets some traction at Pop. Itโd be a shame if the gains made by NRO were for naught. Radio is always slow with post-album singles as well since there's no major hype behind them like a brand new track would have. "Delicate"'s initial growth was actually pretty typical for a post-album single. (It was when it neared the top 25 when it received the abnormal slow down.) "Delicate" just seems out of place in today's climate because, well, there just aren't many major post-album singles these days. In fact, looking at the top 50 right now the only post-album singles are "Hey Look Ma, I Made It," "Only Human," "Speechless," and "The Bones." And two of them are from country artists! Every other song in the top 50 either released before the album, with the album, or have a special circumstance like "Truth Hurts" and "Trampoline."
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Post by wavey.โจ๏ธ on Aug 20, 2019 4:26:21 GMT -5
We'll just have to see what Capitol does.
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Post by leonagwen on Aug 20, 2019 5:17:51 GMT -5
Itโs going to flop. There is way too much negative energy surrounding it. I canโt remember the last Katy Perry sleeper hit. Probably Dark Horse. So if a song upon release doesnโt sustain or improve its numbers day to day, its a flop. I donโt think she is ever going to escape the โeverything must hit #1โ syndrome people place upon her. I still think this is better than Unconditionally and Bon Appetit as singles. But unlike those two, I am not excited for the video cuz it looks like another goofy one. The clip to the vertical video was cringe af. There's negative energy on this forum, but most of the general public aren't even aware that she's got a new song out. Let's see how many adds this gets today.
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Post by upsidedown on Aug 20, 2019 5:41:48 GMT -5
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Post by KeepDeanWeird on Aug 20, 2019 12:18:51 GMT -5
Itโs going to flop. There is way too much negative energy surrounding it. I canโt remember the last Katy Perry sleeper hit. Probably Dark Horse. So if a song upon release doesnโt sustain or improve its numbers day to day, its a flop. I donโt think she is ever going to escape the โeverything must hit #1โ syndrome people place upon her. I still think this is better than Unconditionally and Bon Appetit as singles. But unlike those two, I am not excited for the video cuz it looks like another goofy one. The clip to the vertical video was cringe af. There's negative energy on this forum, but most of the general public aren't even aware that she's got a new song out. Let's see how many adds this gets today. Yes, but isn't the GP is too large and diverse to use a metric? When a new track is released, I try to gauge initial response on the artist's social media fanbase and engagement. If even a small portion of KP's 'aware' fanbase, such as her 84MM instagram followers showed up through streaming/sales, that would've been enough to make a much bigger initial splash on H100. But that's really for week 1. I do wonder if Capitol is saving major promo/radio deals for the 3rd single, which I'm assuming will be tied to KP5 release. I still think Harleys is the hit they're counting on.
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Post by Maximillian on Aug 20, 2019 12:25:05 GMT -5
There's negative energy on this forum, but most of the general public aren't even aware that she's got a new song out. Let's see how many adds this gets today. Yes, but isn't the GP is too large and diverse to use a metric? When a new track is released, I try to gauge initial response on the artist's social media fanbase and engagement. If even a small portion of KP's 'aware' fanbase, such as her 84MM instagram followers showed up through streaming/sales, that would've been enough to make a much bigger initial splash on H100. But that's really for week 1. I do wonder if Capitol is saving major promo/radio deals for the 3rd single, which I'm assuming will be tied to KP5 release. I still think Harleys is the hit they're counting on. I think the fact Capitol already has a video for HIH shows they have a plan. Yes, they likely filmed it early due to her schedule, but I also imagine they want to have a big single out going into the album announcement and subsequent release. If she gets one big shot at promo, late night shows, American Idol performance, etc., use it on something thatโs got legs.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Aug 20, 2019 13:01:17 GMT -5
Wow, just wow. Can't we just see how this does instead of basing everything off the inital impact? That was my point though. Any time this phrase has been posted in a songโs thread was to a song that started off struggling. Has a song with this posted in its thread ever done well in the end?
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Post by Caviar on Aug 20, 2019 13:24:37 GMT -5
Katy said there IS no album. She's only releasing "a la cart" singles at this time.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2019 14:12:18 GMT -5
Katy said there IS no album. She's only releasing "a la cart" singles at this time. Thatยดs smart, no pressure and if something really sticks, then release all filler tracks as album. Yep thatยดs the way to go for a pop star!
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Post by leonagwen on Aug 20, 2019 15:20:41 GMT -5
So far has 31 adds at 4pm, still 2 hours to go.
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Post by Marooned@Midnight on Aug 20, 2019 15:25:20 GMT -5
Katy said there IS no album. She's only releasing "a la cart" singles at this time. Thatยดs smart, no pressure and if something really sticks, then release all filler tracks as album. Yep thatยดs the way to go for a pop star! From a label perspective I guess I get it, but as a fan I would completely hate it if someone I Stanned for went this route.
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Aug 20, 2019 15:41:56 GMT -5
Yeah when I'm a big fan of someone I want an album or at least an EP, not just one off singles here and there. But, I do get the label/business perspective of it all.
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Post by Maximillian on Aug 20, 2019 16:13:12 GMT -5
Yeah when I'm a big fan of someone I want an album or at least an EP, not just one off singles here and there. But, I do get the label/business perspective of it all. It IS odd though sheโs releasing singles like somebody would for an album. New look, videos shot, promo being done, pushes to radio, timelines are being utilized for rollouts. I wonder if there is an album (potentially one thatโs being completed still and just no date) or if this is just a full on new strategy.
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Post by Juan Carlos on Aug 20, 2019 17:33:25 GMT -5
Second most added with 45 adds this week on its impact date.
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Post by wavey.โจ๏ธ on Aug 20, 2019 17:39:13 GMT -5
Isnt it strange?
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Post by leonagwen on Aug 20, 2019 18:10:36 GMT -5
People laughed at me yesterday when I said it would get 50 adda, it missed by 5 adds.
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Post by Mayman on Aug 20, 2019 18:11:02 GMT -5
I was told this would get 50+ adds today. I guess not :/
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Post by Choco on Aug 20, 2019 18:24:34 GMT -5
Yeah I thought the threshold for hit status was 50, which it missed... must be all the negativity from this forum.
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Post by Maximillian on Aug 20, 2019 18:55:48 GMT -5
If Iโm not mistaken, NRO had 173 adds and 365 had 94 adds (HAC/CHR total) on their respective dates. I think radio spoke today.
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