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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2019 4:03:34 GMT -5
If they had stronger single ready to release after NRO, they would have released it instead of ST, so I think this Harleys is probably not that strong song.
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Post by Az Paynter on Sept 15, 2019 6:10:42 GMT -5
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Post by wjr15 on Sept 15, 2019 9:22:25 GMT -5
If they had stronger single ready to release after NRO, they would have released it instead of ST, so I think this Harleys is probably not that strong song. I don’t think ST is any indication of the quality of HIH. I mean Katy and Capitol have no clue how to pick a single since 2012. Look at both the Prism and Witness eras. Both albums had singles that shouldn’t have been while leaving some quality songs as album tracks.
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Post by Choco on Sept 15, 2019 10:38:49 GMT -5
Or maybe NRO was a fluke and the rest of her output from recent sessions is middling at best?
I like her but that's a possible outcome. I know people like to say that flop albums are underrated or ahead of her time but Witness had, at best, three good tracks.
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Post by wjr15 on Sept 15, 2019 10:56:25 GMT -5
Witness definitely had more than 3 good tracks. It really comes down to preference. One person’s trash is another person’s treasure.
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Sept 15, 2019 13:03:55 GMT -5
POP:36 39 KATY PERRY Small Talk 1377 1279 98 3.123 +23 Spins -1 Bullet +0.376 Audience HOT AC:44 42 KATY PERRY Small Talk 230 181 49 0.341 +8 Spins = Bullet -0.040 Audience Payola?
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Post by Exclusive on Sept 15, 2019 13:34:49 GMT -5
Witness definitely had more than 3 good tracks. It really comes down to preference. One person’s trash is another person’s treasure. "Witness", "Hey Hey Hey", "Roulette" "Pendulum", "Act My Age" ect.. would have been great singles and are all superior than this IMO. That album really grows on you. Even tracks like "Deja Vu" and " Mind Maze" are unique and great in their own right.
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Sept 15, 2019 14:17:59 GMT -5
Katy just needs to finally realize that her goofy brand is not what the public wants anymore. CTTR and NRO were relatively successful because they weren’t goofy. The moment she diverted (Swish Swish, Small Talk) she flopped. However 365 should’ve been a hit. That track continues to be just amazing to me. Con Calma wasn’t goofy and that could’ve been a lot bigger.
She has a great studio voice and lately it’s gotten even better, but she needs that cool factor back. She’s definitely still gorgeous, so her age isn’t an issue yet.
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Post by pcg4 on Sept 15, 2019 14:57:31 GMT -5
I think that one of her main problems is her social media presence. She has millions of followers in Instagram, Youtube and specially Twitter that whether are bots or they don't care about her at all, because her engagement is shitty. I think that if she wants to start a new era for a new album she should delete all her messy instagram posts (especially about shoes, that otherwise she could promote like Rihanna promotes fenty) and get rid on Twitter of the stupid instagram links.
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Post by Choco on Sept 15, 2019 16:52:00 GMT -5
I don't know, to me Witness was very same-y and middle of the road. And I tried to like it! The first three albums she released are still great IMO, but I was never able to connect with Witness aside from CTTR.
I'm just saying that maybe NRO being great was the exception and not the rule for 2019 Katy. Let's wait and see if HIH is any better than ST.
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Post by Okay on Sept 16, 2019 7:57:50 GMT -5
She needs to work with the right producers. More Zedd, less Charlie Puth. I'd love for her to collaborate with someone like Mark Ronson too, or the hitmakers Louis Bell and Frank Dukes.
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Post by wjr15 on Sept 16, 2019 8:42:47 GMT -5
She needs to work with the right producers. More Zedd, less Charlie Puth. I'd love for her to collaborate with someone like Mark Ronson too, or the hitmakers Louis Bell and Frank Dukes. I love Mark Ronson’s production as of late so I’d love for them to work together. I know she recorded with Ian Kirkpatrick last year but I’m not sure what came from it. Also, I’d love for her to work with Ilya too. He produced Act My Age and has co-produced most of Ariana’s hits.
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Post by Az Paynter on Sept 16, 2019 9:15:08 GMT -5
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Post by Maximillian on Sept 16, 2019 11:58:49 GMT -5
My issue with KP wasn’t Witness, it was the vibe she gave off for Witness. Pre-Witness she had curated this awesome “girl next door”, Americana, sexually fun but not over the top persona. It worked. See “California Girls”, “Firework”.
She then cut her hair off, got very political, releases these degrading / dirty pop songs (cough “Bon Appetit” cough) that come across overtly sexual for no reason... I remember people calling her “half woke” but in a pre-packaged way with no moralistic message or viewpoint.
She just ruined her image IMO, people tuned out. If Witness, with no changes to the track lists, had a different roll out on singles, she kept that Americana vibe and was less political during that time (election year), I think people would have showed up.
Sure... age, timing, producers all play a role, but NRO felt like the good old days and it did respectfully well.
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Post by aussie1 on Sept 16, 2019 20:41:11 GMT -5
Everyday I log on here and I'm shocked to see this still gaining.
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Post by Az Paynter on Sept 17, 2019 6:08:14 GMT -5
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Post by bornfearless2000 on Sept 17, 2019 7:32:53 GMT -5
Katy just needs to finally realize that her goofy brand is not what the public wants anymore. CTTR and NRO were relatively successful because they weren’t goofy. The moment she diverted (Swish Swish, Small Talk) she flopped. However 365 should’ve been a hit. That track continues to be just amazing to me. Con Calma wasn’t goofy and that could’ve been a lot bigger. She has a great studio voice and lately it’s gotten even better, but she needs that cool factor back. She’s definitely still gorgeous, so her age isn’t an issue yet. I’m so over her ‘goofy-ness’. One or two times is ok, but she does it everytime in her videos and interviews. I love her but its like she’s acting like a kid sometimes. She needs to recover her image to gain public interest again.
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Post by Caviar on Sept 17, 2019 7:46:15 GMT -5
Blah blah blah
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Sept 17, 2019 9:31:54 GMT -5
This song has grown on me a bit. Like, I get why they released it. I still don't its quite strong enough to help her succeed in 2019 though. Like, maybe if this was following a massive Dark Horse/Roar type hit... It sounds more like the 3rd/4th single you release when you are running out of surefire hits but haven't quite reached last single let's go experimental mode.
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Post by Choco on Sept 17, 2019 15:56:41 GMT -5
This song has grown on me a bit. Like, I get why they released it. I still don't its quite strong enough to help her succeed in 2019 though. Like, maybe if this was following a massive Dark Horse/Roar type hit... It sounds more like the 3rd/4th single you release when you are running out of surefire hits but haven't quite reached last single let's go experimental mode. That was always the feeling it gave me too, not a horrible choice in very different circumstances. Right now... well the numbers speak for themselves.
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Post by hitmakaontharise on Sept 17, 2019 16:09:59 GMT -5
I still like this lu jam
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Post by hitmakaontharise on Sept 17, 2019 16:10:42 GMT -5
I still like this lu jam
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Post by Suono on Sept 17, 2019 16:28:49 GMT -5
Safe to say as big of a bomb as Bon Appetit?
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Sept 17, 2019 20:11:21 GMT -5
Safe to say as big of a bomb as Bon Appetit? Worse cuz the video views aren’t as good. I view Bon Appetit as sort of a cult classic. Same as Swish Swish. This doesn’t really have a moment the way those two did.
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Post by Az Paynter on Sept 18, 2019 6:12:11 GMT -5
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Post by Soundcl🕤ck on Sept 18, 2019 7:17:06 GMT -5
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Sept 18, 2019 8:16:21 GMT -5
Everything about this was....a choice. Can we just pretend this didn't happen (the whole single) and move onto "HIH"?
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Post by Caviar on Sept 18, 2019 9:04:03 GMT -5
Her visuals are always very well done. Love her.
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Post by The Black Bird on Sept 18, 2019 10:49:27 GMT -5
I think Katy needs her Joanne phase. She needs to tone down her image a bit at this point. Even Gaga realized that.
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Post by Caviar on Sept 18, 2019 10:57:18 GMT -5
Tone down what exactly?
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