Billboard Hot 100: 07/27/2019

[reputainbow]

18-20 weeks at #1 for OTR seems to be the most likely scenario at this point. i think there's three songs i'm looking at to see what will dethrone it: truth hurts, senorita, and bad guy.

truth hurts is getting massive radio updates with LOTS of room to grow still, with good streaming too. senorita is the same way, but a little more streaming and slightly behind truth hurts on radio. bad guy is still stable and gaining pretty big on the radio, but i'm wondering if it'll be too late.

[badrobot]

Generally I'll agree that Billboard has done the best they can with the available data, but I would make an exception for 1995-1998, when they dragged their feet needlessly for years before allowing airplay-only songs to chart. It likely would not have affected things like the OSD record, but this is the only era where so many hits didn't chart at all. There were of course one-offs (and a good number of rock songs) that missed the chart before then due to the rules, but by 1995 it should've been obvious that Billboard was no longer reflecting what was popular due to the rules at the time.

[jenglisbe]

Jul 22, 2019 13:54:51 GMT -5 badrobot said:

Generally I'll agree that Billboard has done the best they can with the available data, but I would make an exception for 1995-1998, when they dragged their feet needlessly for years before allowing airplay-only songs to chart. It likely would not have affected things like the OSD record, but this is the only era where so many hits didn't chart at all. There were of course one-offs (and a good number of rock songs) that missed the chart before then due to the rules, but by 1995 it should've been obvious that Billboard was no longer reflecting what was popular due to the rules at the time.

I get what you're saying, but the songs you mention would have been charting relatively low due to the lack of a commercial single, so it still wouldn't have been reflective of overall popularity.

[Choco]

Jul 22, 2019 11:52:31 GMT -5 Enigma. said:

Sunflower might very well tie the top ten record but OTR will break it anyway.

You think so? Once it breaks the record for weeks at #1 I expect it to finally collapse. Airplay is already crashing.

And of course the remixes have to stop at some point lol.

[Deleted]

There were a very significant amount of new songs charting once they changed that rule. I wonder if there is some sort of list of songs that had significant airplay but didnt appear on the hot 100.

[Choco]

Yeah the Airplay charts still credited songs like Iris, Torn and Don't Speak as multi-week #1s. Every era has it's challenges for the Hot 100.

Remember when Toxic was a digital #1 hit but only #9 on the big chart because downloads weren't eligible?

Or how a song that's only used on a user generated meme for 30 seconds can chart with the label/artist not actually making any money from it?

[Mayman]

Where is Sicko Mode?

[tanooki]

I know Billboard has the data, i wish they would retroactively fix (or at least show us what could've been) if airplay only singles could chart

[Naos]

Huh, can't see chart histories for most artists anymore.

[Deleted]

The thing that bugs me most of this record breaking talk is people act like the most weeks at number one is the only record to exist when there a ton of equally impressive records and some that will probably never be broken like Janet having an album with 7 top five hits

[Gary]

Jul 22, 2019 14:22:41 GMT -5 Choco said:

Jul 22, 2019 11:52:31 GMT -5 Enigma. said:

Sunflower might very well tie the top ten record but OTR will break it anyway.

You think so? Once it breaks the record for weeks at #1 I expect it to finally collapse. Airplay is already crashing.

And of course the remixes have to stop at some point lol.

Airplay may be dropping but it is not here because of airplay. Streaming and sales will keep this around a while.



Basically, I think chart positioning is because of the song and the remixes, not the other way around. So once it gets the 17th week, it is not going to disappear.

[kimberly]

Jul 22, 2019 15:11:37 GMT -5 @drakeisskinny said:

The thing that bugs me most of this record breaking talk is people act like the most weeks at number one is the only record to exist when there a ton of equally impressive records and some that will probably never be broken like Janet having an album with 7 top five hits

Katy perry came really close in 2010-12 Teenage Dream cycle with 6, so I wouldn't say never. Especially if bigger artists start doing the Dua Lipa / Kim Petras method of releasing 10 songs as singles and slapping them on a CD, I feel like that record might be in jeopardy.

All that said, you're right, records are meant to be broken and there certainly are more records than weeks at #1.

[jenglisbe]

Jul 22, 2019 15:11:37 GMT -5 @drakeisskinny said:

The thing that bugs me most of this record breaking talk is people act like the most weeks at number one is the only record to exist when there a ton of equally impressive records and some that will probably never be broken like Janet having an album with 7 top five hits

This type of thing is common across all areas. For instance, in track people care about “fastest ever” in sprint, whereas someone who gets medals across multiple events doesn’t get the same attention.

[HolidayGuy]

There's a running list of tracks that charted on Hot 100 Airplay, that were not eligible for the Hot 100 from 1991-1998. In the '80s, this wasn't much of an issue, as just a few notable '80s hits didn't chart on the Hot 100, with one of them - Madonna's "Into the Groove" - even having a commercial single. While Billboard didn't chart "Groove," which sold 600,000-plus units as a 12-inch single and was a top 10 hit on Radio & Records, on the Hot 100, it did so on the Hot Black Singles chart (No. 19, Madonna's third-highest peak on that chart, after the No. 9 "Like a Virgin" and No. 16 "Vogue" and just above the No. 20 peak of "Like a Prayer."

[Deleted]

Jul 22, 2019 15:36:30 GMT -5 kimberly said:

Jul 22, 2019 15:11:37 GMT -5 @drakeisskinny said:

The thing that bugs me most of this record breaking talk is people act like the most weeks at number one is the only record to exist when there a ton of equally impressive records and some that will probably never be broken like Janet having an album with 7 top five hits

Katy perry came really close in 2010-12 Teenage Dream cycle with 6, so I wouldn't say never. Especially if bigger artists start doing the Dua Lipa / Kim Petras method of releasing 10 songs as singles and slapping them on a CD, I feel like that record might be in jeopardy.

All that said, you're right, records are meant to be broken and there certainly are more records than weeks at #1.

I see your point but I find it hard to believe anyone big enough would release seven one offs before putting them all on a album

[renfield75]

Jul 22, 2019 14:33:46 GMT -5 @pete said:

There were a very significant amount of new songs charting once they changed that rule. I wonder if there is some sort of list of songs that had significant airplay but didnt appear on the hot 100.

Joel Whitburn's books include all the airplay hits that never made the Hot 100. The number one Airplay hits that didn't make the Hot 100 are No Doubt's "Don't Speak", Will Smith's "Men In Black", and Sugar Ray's "Fly". Then you have the Rembrandt's "I'll Be There For You", Natalie Imbruglia's "Torn", and Goo Goo Dolls' "Iris" that did chart on the Hot 100 but in minimal runs after their time on top of the Airplay chart.

Off the top of my head, some of the bigger top ten Airplay hits that were ineligible for the Hot 100 include the Cardigans' "Lovefool", the Wallflowers' "One Headlight", Fugees' "Killing Me Softly", Smash Mouth's "Walkin' On The Sun", Green Day's "When I Come Around", Janet Jackson's "State of The World", and most of Alanis Morrisette's 'Jagged Little Pill' singles. Plus you had huge alt-rock crossover hits like Stone Temple Pilots' "Interstate Love Song" and Live's "Lightning Crashes". It was an awful time to be a chart-watcher on the Hot 100, with most of the big hits missing!

[jenglisbe]

Jul 22, 2019 15:44:22 GMT -5 HolidayGuy said:

There's a running list of tracks that charted on Hot 100 Airplay, that were not eligible for the Hot 100 from 1991-1998. In the '80s, this wasn't much of an issue, as just a few notable '80s hits didn't chart on the Hot 100, with one of them - Madonna's "Into the Groove" - even having a commercial single. While Billboard didn't chart "Groove," which sold 600,000-plus units as a 12-inch single and was a top 10 hit on Radio & Records, on the Hot 100, it did so on the Hot Black Singles chart (No. 19, Madonna's third-highest peak on that chart, after the No. 9 "Like a Virgin" and No. 16 "Vogue" and just above the No. 20 peak of "Like a Prayer."

Why not at least provide a link to the running list?

[jenglisbe]

Jul 22, 2019 15:49:56 GMT -5 renfield75 said:

Jul 22, 2019 14:33:46 GMT -5 @pete said:

There were a very significant amount of new songs charting once they changed that rule. I wonder if there is some sort of list of songs that had significant airplay but didnt appear on the hot 100.

Joel Whitburn's books include all the airplay hits that never made the Hot 100. The number one Airplay hits that didn't make the Hot 100 are No Doubt's "Don't Speak", Will Smith's "Men In Black", and Sugar Ray's "Fly". Then you have the Rembrandt's "I'll Be There For You", Natalie Imbruglia's "Torn", and Goo Goo Dolls' "Iris" that did chart on the Hot 100 but in minimal runs after their time on top of the Airplay chart.

Off the top of my head, some of the bigger top ten Airplay hits that were ineligible for the Hot 100 include the Cardigans' "Lovefool", the Wallflowers' "One Headlight", Fugees' "Killing Me Softly", Smash Mouth's "Walkin' On The Sun", Green Day's "When I Come Around", Janet Jackson's "State of The World", and most of Alanis Morrisette's 'Jagged Little Pill' singles. Plus you had huge alt-rock crossover hits like Stone Temple Pilots' "Interstate Love Song" and Live's "Lightning Crashes". It was an awful time to be a chart-watcher on the Hot 100, with most of the big hits missing!

I’m convinced had they been allowed to chart, people would just complain about how their peaks don’t represent their actual popularity. Plus we should keep in mind that for most of the 90s a lot of airplay at genre formats didn’t count toward the Hot 100.

There are also instances where songs that are huge in airplay aren’t as big in sales (and now streaming).

[kimberly]

Jul 22, 2019 15:46:51 GMT -5 @drakeisskinny said:

Jul 22, 2019 15:36:30 GMT -5 kimberly said:

Katy perry came really close in 2010-12 Teenage Dream cycle with 6, so I wouldn't say never. Especially if bigger artists start doing the Dua Lipa / Kim Petras method of releasing 10 songs as singles and slapping them on a CD, I feel like that record might be in jeopardy.

All that said, you're right, records are meant to be broken and there certainly are more records than weeks at #1.

I see your point but I find it hard to believe anyone big enough would release seven one offs before putting them all on a album

I can see Shawn Mendes or someone his caliber (like lower A-list) doing it, I mean he's already got 2 #2 debuts under his belt for his next project right now. Definitely don't expect Adele or Rihanna to do that though. He could release 5 singles before the album, 1 with it, 1 after. Granted, all those songs would need to be p good for this to work but it's not impossible was my point

[Gary]

Jul 22, 2019 15:51:15 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

Jul 22, 2019 15:44:22 GMT -5 HolidayGuy said:

There's a running list of tracks that charted on Hot 100 Airplay, that were not eligible for the Hot 100 from 1991-1998. In the '80s, this wasn't much of an issue, as just a few notable '80s hits didn't chart on the Hot 100, with one of them - Madonna's "Into the Groove" - even having a commercial single. While Billboard didn't chart "Groove," which sold 600,000-plus units as a 12-inch single and was a top 10 hit on Radio & Records, on the Hot 100, it did so on the Hot Black Singles chart (No. 19, Madonna's third-highest peak on that chart, after the No. 9 "Like a Virgin" and No. 16 "Vogue" and just above the No. 20 peak of "Like a Prayer."

Why not at least provide a link to the running list?

"Running" implies it could change? - LOL

One of the editions (don't remember which one) of the Joel Whitburn books pretty much list those out.

[renfield75]

Jul 22, 2019 15:53:18 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

Jul 22, 2019 15:49:56 GMT -5 renfield75 said:

Joel Whitburn's books include all the airplay hits that never made the Hot 100. The number one Airplay hits that didn't make the Hot 100 are No Doubt's "Don't Speak", Will Smith's "Men In Black", and Sugar Ray's "Fly". Then you have the Rembrandt's "I'll Be There For You", Natalie Imbruglia's "Torn", and Goo Goo Dolls' "Iris" that did chart on the Hot 100 but in minimal runs after their time on top of the Airplay chart.

Off the top of my head, some of the bigger top ten Airplay hits that were ineligible for the Hot 100 include the Cardigans' "Lovefool", the Wallflowers' "One Headlight", Fugees' "Killing Me Softly", Smash Mouth's "Walkin' On The Sun", Green Day's "When I Come Around", Janet Jackson's "State of The World", and most of Alanis Morrisette's 'Jagged Little Pill' singles. Plus you had huge alt-rock crossover hits like Stone Temple Pilots' "Interstate Love Song" and Live's "Lightning Crashes". It was an awful time to be a chart-watcher on the Hot 100, with most of the big hits missing!

I’m convinced had they been allowed to chart, people would just complain about how their peaks don’t represent their actual popularity. Plus we should keep in mind that for most of the 90s a lot of airplay at genre formats didn’t count toward the Hot 100.

There are also instances where songs that are huge in airplay aren’t as big in sales (and now streaming).

That's the annoying thing, there's really no way to ever know. Even after 12/5/98 you have obvious anomalies: "I Want It That Way", "Bye, Bye, Bye", and "The Thong Song" would absolutely have gone to number one if there had been commercial singles available. But there wasn't, so it is what it is.

[jenglisbe]

Jul 22, 2019 15:58:27 GMT -5 renfield75 said:

Jul 22, 2019 15:53:18 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

I’m convinced had they been allowed to chart, people would just complain about how their peaks don’t represent their actual popularity. Plus we should keep in mind that for most of the 90s a lot of airplay at genre formats didn’t count toward the Hot 100.

There are also instances where songs that are huge in airplay aren’t as big in sales (and now streaming).

That's the annoying thing, there's really no way to ever know. Even after 12/5/98 you have obvious anomalies: "I Want It That Way", "Bye, Bye, Bye", and "The Thong Song" would absolutely have gone to number one if there had been commercial singles available. But there wasn't, so it is what it is.

Right. I always find it odd to think of those songs as a #6 hit or whatever. It’s odd that “It’s Gonna Be Me” is N Sync’s highest charting hit. Personally I’d rather them not have a peak 😆

[Naos]

Jul 22, 2019 17:02:47 GMT -5 @benson said:

Jul 22, 2019 15:09:52 GMT -5 Naos said:

Huh, can't see chart histories for most artists anymore.

I was looking something up on Friday and noticed there was only one song listed for a particularly prolific artist.  I figured it was an error and didn't really explore beyond that to know it was effecting all artists.  So this is bad news - hopefully they're working on restoring it.  I love the feature as a reference tool. 

Maybe we'll get lucky and they're taking some time to make it even better!  Positive thoughts...  

Well, you can see histories for big artists like Taylor Swift and Ed Sheeran, but looking up other current charting artists like Thomas Rhett, Y2K, Eric Church, all don't appear. It was an easy way to see debuts and new peaks, but that's harder to now. Yeah, I do hope they're just editing the feature rather than getting rid of it.

[cassiuscasanova]

Jul 22, 2019 15:58:27 GMT -5 renfield75 said:

Jul 22, 2019 15:53:18 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

I’m convinced had they been allowed to chart, people would just complain about how their peaks don’t represent their actual popularity. Plus we should keep in mind that for most of the 90s a lot of airplay at genre formats didn’t count toward the Hot 100.

There are also instances where songs that are huge in airplay aren’t as big in sales (and now streaming).

That's the annoying thing, there's really no way to ever know. Even after 12/5/98 you have obvious anomalies: "I Want It That Way", "Bye, Bye, Bye", and "The Thong Song" would absolutely have gone to number one if there had been commercial singles available. But there wasn't, so it is what it is.

If u asked me randomly I would have definitely guessed thong song was number one

[Naos]

New arrivals this week:
#99 - "Best Part of Me" by Ed Sheeran ft. YEBBA
#57 - "Remember The Name" by Ed Sheeran ft. Eminem & 50 Cent
#53 - "South of the Border" by Ed Sheeran ft. Camila Cabello & Cardi B
#37 - "Antisocial" by Ed Sheeran & Travis Scott

[eidde]

Sicko Mode does not go recurrent.

[Mayman]

Jul 22, 2019 17:16:18 GMT -5 eidde said:

Sicko Mode does not go recurrent.

Omg yes not everyone has that!

[fhas]

Jul 22, 2019 17:17:18 GMT -5 Mayman said:

Jul 22, 2019 17:16:18 GMT -5 eidde said:

Sicko Mode does not go recurrent.

Omg yes not everyone has that!

YE top 10 here we go!

[Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ]

#19 Beautiful People
#25 Cross Me

!!!!

[Deleted]

Can you imagine when he releases his solo project?