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Post by kingvavis on Oct 22, 2019 13:24:02 GMT -5
Ya, unless it is utterly fantastic, I really doubt this can debut number one Duh only song to debut at one with less than a full week of tracking was born this way but it can jumpΒ thank u next didn't have a full tracking week either |
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Post by gabe on Oct 22, 2019 13:32:20 GMT -5
Duh only song to debut at one with less than a full week of tracking was born this way but it can jump thank u next didn't have a full tracking week either iconic legend things!! |
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Post by Enigma. on Oct 22, 2019 13:32:40 GMT -5
I don't get pointless midweek releases, like Selena and Katy. The first day streams and sales are always good but the second day will have a slump no matter what and the third day (in these cases Friday) is NEVER as big as the first day and there we are in the new tracking week with loss in streams and sales...
I don't see Selena would be "afraid" of Kanye as they hardly cater the same audience.
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Post by kcdawg13 on Oct 22, 2019 13:53:11 GMT -5
I don't get pointless midweek releases, like Selena and Katy. The first day streams and sales are always good but the second day will have a slump no matter what and the third day (in these cases Friday) is NEVER as big as the first day and there we are in the new tracking week with loss in streams and sales... I don't see Selena would be "afraid" of Kanye as they hardly cater the same audience. Well seeing as Kanye has delayed this record like 5 times at this point I don't see why anyone would be afraid of dropping the same day as him. |
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Post by Enigma. on Oct 22, 2019 14:01:26 GMT -5
I don't get pointless midweek releases, like Selena and Katy. The first day streams and sales are always good but the second day will have a slump no matter what and the third day (in these cases Friday) is NEVER as big as the first day and there we are in the new tracking week with loss in streams and sales... I don't see Selena would be "afraid" of Kanye as they hardly cater the same audience. I get what you're saying, but I don't see them as pointless. I think there is value in having the day to yourself without a mass of new releases, regardless of who else is releasing. I also think there's a strategy to a soft chart debut followed by a boost the following (full) week, (or even just a decent hold), versus a high debut and a massive plummet. In terms of optics, anyway, upward momentum is preferable. I also think labels can also be very gun shy these days, and putting everything into a big debut week with a radio deal is a gamble that requires a lot of commitment and money. Ultimately, a hit will hit and stick around regardless of how it first charts. You're right. If I was in charge of a single by a pop star, I'd release it on a Friday with maximum exposure in streaming services and perhaps radio deal and a music video the week after to have a good second week on charts. The thing is, that huge event singles like BTW and whatever Adele decides to release can pull the midweek release off but for instance Taylor Swift released The Archer as a promo track on a Tuesday it never went higher than #69. EDIT: Just to add that releasing both the song and the video on midweek is pure madness. I think Selena and Katy do that and really can't understand why. Of course there is the possibility of songs sticking around but the first week chart position defines a lot how the song is perceived further on. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2019 14:38:16 GMT -5
I think Atlantic is trying to time the remix so that Lizzo can replace herself, so this (or next Friday at the latest) makes sense. I'm not a fan of anything I've heard from Capaldi so far, but for some reason I'm kind of rooting for him to get a week in at the top anyway. The song is inoffensive, and I don't see it staying at the top a long time or permanently blocking anything else if it did get there, so I would appreciate the additional #1 in this calendar year. Half this year has been taken up by just two songs (OTR/TH); we could use the variety. 3 songs (7R) I was just thinking of the two most recent long-running #1s when saying that (OTR's 19 weeks + TH's current 7 weeks) but yeah, if you add in 7 Rings that makes it even more apparent how the top has been taken by just a few songs for most of the year. The thing is, that huge event singles like BTW and whatever Adele decides to release can pull the midweek release off but for instance Taylor Swift released The Archer as a promo track on a Tuesday it never went higher than #69. EDIT: Just to add that releasing both the song and the video on midweek is pure madness. I think Selena and Katy do that and really can't understand why. Of course there is the possibility of songs sticking around but the first week chart position defines a lot how the song is perceived further on. I think that just underscores the real problem with artists/labels who use midweek strategies, either poor execution or lack of intention. The idea of a midweek strategy is good in theory, and best suited for mid-tier artists who would probably risk being overshadowed on a busy Friday but have enough of a name to dominate headlines on a Tuesday and Wednesday. But when these artists put all their attention eggs in the release-day basket, they leave themselves nothing to stay level or rise in the following full week, and then more often than not this sets the tone for the single's light handling and performance from there on out (at any rate, I can't think of a midweek release off the top of my head that went on to be managed well and become a big hit, but I'm sure there have to be a few exceptions). Most promo singles aren't accompanied by much promotion beyond an announcement and the release itself, so I don't think it's fair to expect much of those no matter what day they are released on unless you're at peak A-list/anticipatory status. (e.g., 1989-era Taylor Swift could probably have pulled off a midweek release with a much nicer peak, but Lover-era TS wasn't going to generate that level of interest; even though I'd still consider her A-list the level of anticipation is just not the same for her.) |
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Post by shaz196 on Oct 22, 2019 15:05:09 GMT -5
I hope it's mostly features, she should milk WWAFA,WDWG for as long as possible. |
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Post by earth on Oct 22, 2019 15:26:08 GMT -5
Ya, unless it is utterly fantastic, I really doubt this can debut number one Duh only song to debut at one with less than a full week of tracking was born this way but it can jump Also TUN |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2019 15:31:07 GMT -5
Duh only song to debut at one with less than a full week of tracking was born this way but it can jump Also TUN That had five days |
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Post by π‘πππππ€ on Oct 22, 2019 15:51:13 GMT -5
New Spotify Peaks - October 21, 2019
7. [+2] Someone You Loved - Lewis Capaldi || 866,148 [+100,429]
11. [+4] Memories - Maroon 5 || 751,262 [+88,738]
16. [+4] Dance Monkey - Tones and I || 694,845 [+76,735]
25. [+2] Stuck In A Dream - Lil Mosey || 568,580 [+54,873]
37. [+13] Hate Me - Ellie Goulding & Juice WRLD || 498,898 [+120,670]
48. [+11] Trampoline - SHAED & ZAYN || 418,467 [+80,764]
55. [+11] Nice To Meet Ya - Niall Horace || 379,943 [+67,220]
61. [+9] Somebody - Internet Money || 358,847 [+53,064]
73. [+41] Best on Earth - Russ || 336,480 [+87,605]
119. [+16] Bruises - Lewis Capaldi || 270,234 [+46,202]
175. [NEW] July - Noah Cyrus || 215,250
199. [NEW] you were good to me - Jeremy Zucker & Chelsea Cutler || 202,734
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Post by kimberly on Oct 22, 2019 15:55:51 GMT -5
I hope it's mostly features, she should milk WWAFA,WDWG for as long as possible. What's left to milk? the album has been out for so long at this point that I don't see her releasing another single / getting a hit out of it. After ATGGGTH, she should take a short but effective break and release new material to keep up the momentum. |
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Post by sam8432 on Oct 22, 2019 16:40:08 GMT -5
Ya, unless it is utterly fantastic, I really doubt this can debut number one Duh only song to debut at one with less than a full week of tracking was born this way but it can jumpΒ Godβs Plan, This is America, and thank u, next all debuted at 1 last year with less than a full week of tracking. Nice for What may have as well, I donβt remember for sure. |
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Post by sirskimask on Oct 22, 2019 16:42:36 GMT -5
Which is less than a week |
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Post by 13 on Oct 22, 2019 16:56:57 GMT -5
I'm definitely hoping for the epic plot twist of Lizzo replacing herself at #1. Ariana has a ton of power, even though Boyfriend and DCMA both flopped. I wonder if they'll try a new MV for the remix, especially considering the original one is 3 years old.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Oct 22, 2019 17:10:17 GMT -5
I don't get pointless midweek releases, like Selena and Katy. The first day streams and sales are always good but the second day will have a slump no matter what and the third day (in these cases Friday) is NEVER as big as the first day and there we are in the new tracking week with loss in streams and sales... That's because you're looking at it with limited perspective. The only thing most people on here seems to care about is Billboard and while Billboard is historically the "main" chart, it isn't the only one and certainly isn't the one that drives sales and easy press compared to streaming and digital sales charts like Spotify and iTunes. The iTunes chart, for example, is easily accessible on the phones of anyone who has an iPhone so I'm willing to bet it's viewed by more people than the Hot 100 is. Sure, labels can use Hot 100 stats as bragging rights but they also need to do more work to get that out there in front of people to see. The iTunes (for example) chart are right there for people to reference whenever they want. Therefore, releasing in the middle of week is more beneficial for an artist who is likely out of reach for the top of the Hot 100 like Katy and Selena. Their Hot 100 peak won't be as high but they'll face less competition releasing on a Wednesday compared to Friday, thus putting them higher on the iTunes chart and giving them more overall visibility with potential music buyers/streamers than a Hot 100 peak might give them. |
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Post by shaz196 on Oct 22, 2019 17:36:23 GMT -5
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Post by Abbaschand on Oct 22, 2019 17:40:58 GMT -5
Now where's my Phineas and Ferb Blu-Ray DVD? |
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Post by Lukas on Oct 22, 2019 17:45:11 GMT -5
Ya, unless it is utterly fantastic, I really doubt this can debut number one Duh only song to debut at one with less than a full week of tracking was born this way but it can jump Several songs have done that. Born This Way, however, was the only song to do so with less than half of a full week of tracking. It could've gotten 100,000+ points on its first week had it done so with a full week. |
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Post by Au$tin on Oct 22, 2019 18:14:55 GMT -5
Duh only song to debut at one with less than a full week of tracking was born this way but it can jumpΒ Godβs Plan, This is America, and thank u, next all debuted at 1 last year with less than a full week of tracking. Nice for What may have as well, I donβt remember for sure. Not to mention any #1 debut pre-2015 when music came out on Tuesdays. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2019 19:27:14 GMT -5
Which is less than a week It had a full week in radio tracking |
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Post by Au$tin on Oct 22, 2019 19:41:27 GMT -5
Which is less than a week It had a full week in radio tracking But still not a full week of streaming and sales. And anything released on Friday does not have a full first week of radio either as 3 days go to the week prior to its first week of sales and streaming. Why are you adding all of these variables to your statement? It's okay to be wrong, you know. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2019 19:55:21 GMT -5
It had a full week in radio tracking But still not a full week of streaming and sales. And anything released on Friday does not have a full first week of radio either as 3 days go to the week prior to its first week of sales and streaming. Why are you adding all of these variables to your statement? It's okay to be wrong, you know. Please stop talking to me |
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Post by korbel16 on Oct 22, 2019 23:39:56 GMT -5
Someone you loved being the likely number 1 this week is so weird...
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Post by 85la on Oct 23, 2019 0:19:41 GMT -5
If artists want to avoid the tough competition and potentially lost-visibility of a Friday release, it seems like the best day to release would be Monday (or Tuesday at the latest), that way you'd get a majority of the days of the sales/streaming period, including those busiest first couple days, plus not to mention the whole radio tracking period, but this doesn't seem to be done too often. In other words, if you want to avoid a Friday release, there are other days to release while still having the possibility of a high chart debut. Wednesday or Thursday just seems like the stupidest thing because you only get 1 or 2 days of sales/streaming and 5 days of radio at most.
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Post by Crimsonio on Oct 23, 2019 1:17:56 GMT -5
I don't get pointless midweek releases, like Selena and Katy. The first day streams and sales are always good but the second day will have a slump no matter what and the third day (in these cases Friday) is NEVER as big as the first day and there we are in the new tracking week with loss in streams and sales... I don't see Selena would be "afraid" of Kanye as they hardly cater the same audience. This isn't new for Selena though, she's been releasing on off days since 2015. I guess she likes that big second week boost? |
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Post by Enigma. on Oct 23, 2019 1:19:29 GMT -5
If artists want to avoid the tough competition and potentially lost-visibility of a Friday release, it seems like the best day to release would be Monday (or Tuesday at the latest), that way you'd get a majority of the days of the sales/streaming period, including those busiest first couple days, plus not to mention the whole radio tracking period, but this doesn't seem to be done too often. In other words, if you want to avoid a Friday release, there are other days to release while still having the possibility of a high chart debut. Wednesday or Thursday just seems like the stupidest thing because you only get 1 or 2 days of sales/streaming and 5 days of radio at most. Exactly this. People also listen to new music much more on Monday than middle of the week. Also, I would understand if an artist has a certain story behind the song (birthday, event etc). |
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Oct 23, 2019 3:44:05 GMT -5
I feel like Lose You to Love Me will debut at number one. Back to Me was just a soundtrack song so I feel more people will be hyped for a real single and an actual new album. Good for You did debut in the Top 10 and she hasn't had a number one single so I wouldn't be surprised if Selena finally gets one.
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Post by Enigma. on Oct 23, 2019 6:48:37 GMT -5
It definitely won't DEBUT at #1 lol
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Post by Normi on Oct 23, 2019 6:49:35 GMT -5
Lmao it will peak in the teens
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Post by whales10268 on Oct 23, 2019 7:10:17 GMT -5
The midweek release is gonna throw it off, hope it can peak top 10
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